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And to underscore your point, David, just a few weeks before we recorded this episode, Meta held a multi-hour keynote at Connect in September 2024. And of those multiple hours, zero minutes were dedicated to their core products of social media apps. their $100 billion business of selling advertisements on these social media products. So at least with developers, it's not about any of that at all.