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Accidental Tech Podcast

627: Dragged Across the Line

Thu, 20 Feb 2025

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Pre-show: Restaurant adventures continue VoIP ATA Ubiquiti Managed VoIP Follow-up: Apple Account transfers Updated restrictions & guidelines Stephen’s take The UK’s no-good, very-bad law WSJ opinion piece by Green & Stamos Matthew Green’s blog post macOS UNIX compliance Goodbye, Humane. We hardly knew you. And you hardly knew anything. Jay Peters at The Verge Humane press release Humane support document iPhone 16e announced Intro video Apple TV app is now on Android Netflix and foot-guns The Verge, 14 February, 9:25 AM: Hell hath frozen over Screenshot of linking Netflix account Apple TV app The Verge, 14 February, 2:17 PM: Netflix says “our bad” Joe Rosensteel Post-show: An update on Casey’s status board Installation photo HomeSeer HS-WD200+ Dongle ZWave ZWaveJS UI Members-only ATP Overtime: Robots are, like, so in right now. Meta Bloomberg coverage Tesla As usual, Elon is a blowhard Google Apple Kuo’s tweet Sponsored by: DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Factor: Healthy Eating, Made Easy. Use code factorpodcast to get 50% off and free shipping on your first box. Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code atp. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

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Chapter 1: What are the challenges of setting up a restaurant's VoIP system?

00:00 - 00:24 Marco Arment

i'm at the beach i've been working on the restaurant all week i'm making progress i still have not done dante of course i was about today i was about to but i have to set up the imac that's going to be in the office and it wouldn't fit under the office shelves and we lift up the shelf take everything off of it redo the office so everything has been like you know i'll have a list of you know

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00:25 - 00:42 Marco Arment

five things I want to do each day and then I get through the first two and then I get sidetracked or they are more complicated than I thought or something doesn't work or something doesn't fit and I gotta do something else but I'm getting there making progress if anyone's listening to the show they may be forgiven for thinking that Marco is uh

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00:43 - 00:59 John Siracusa

currently uh working on opening a music listening space but i believe they will serve food and drinks there as well don't forget with really good wi-fi incredibly good wi-fi a music listening slash uh internet access if you're an employee space

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00:59 - 01:02 Casey Liss

You're making an internet cafe is what you're doing. That's what you're doing.

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00:00 - 00:00 John Siracusa

No, only the employees can get on the Wi-Fi. Yeah, we'll sleep.

00:00 - 00:00 Marco Arment

I'll tell you what. No, there's a guest network. I'll tell you what, though. So I went through some crap with trying to get VoIP. So I haven't... I haven't dealt with VoIP since the old 2006 era Vonage service. Remember? That was the first consumer VoIP thing you could buy. You buy the Vonage box and plug your phone into it, and you get free long distance.

00:00 - 00:00 Casey Liss

It was a very good idea.

00:00 - 00:00 Marco Arment

It was. And in 2006, that was very novel. And in fact, my old boss, David Karp, he used his Vonage. This was 2004. He had a Vonage phone number in New York.

00:00 - 00:00 Marco Arment

And just moved to Japan with for like six months and didn't tell his employer and he was and he worked remotely and so he and he would just take calls like on his Vonage phone in Japan because it didn't matter like you could get your phone number in the US and then take the Vonage box anywhere and that you had internet service and you know it would ring just the same.

Chapter 2: How does Ubiquiti compare to Cisco in VoIP solutions?

104:31 - 104:45 John Siracusa

Oh, we'll just have one conference for all the technology. It's a great unifying experience. But all the Apple's like, no, we don't need to do that. Like people come to see our stuff. We don't need to be subsumed into CES, right? It's exactly the same thing. I don't think that's going to change with Apple because they continue to not need to go to CES.

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104:46 - 105:04 John Siracusa

But Netflix, I think eventually, if trends continue, will correctly surmise that they are not big enough to stop this. And I do wonder, this is part of the mystery of this thing, what happened? Like, how did this integration happen? Clearly, this integration is like one feature toggle away from happening, right?

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105:04 - 105:04 Casey Liss

Right.

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105:05 - 105:26 John Siracusa

Who accidentally flicked the toggle? Is there a deal in the works? I feel like Netflix is getting to the point where they're going to have to end up doing this anyway. And I don't doubt the motivations of the people working on this featured app. I don't doubt the motivations of creating this featured Apple. It's not a pure power grab. It is, this is a better experience, right?

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00:00 - 00:00 John Siracusa

I fear what will happen if they are successful. Even just within the little world of Apple, what will happen if they're successful? Because I've seen what Apple does with power that it happens to acquire. It kind of, not like, you know, fell blank backwards into the App Store monopoly, but like... They didn't seek out to become what they are today, but they did get there.

00:00 - 00:00 John Siracusa

And when they got there, everything they did with that power has been upsetting and not good for anything. So that's what I'm worried about here. Now, maybe it's silly to worry about this because, again, how many people even use that interface and they'll never do it and really...

00:00 - 00:00 John Siracusa

netflix should just be incorporated into the apple tv app because there's no fear of the apple tv app ever becoming the dominant interface to streaming simply because too few people use it and i can see that argument and it makes sense and joe should really have netflix in his app that he likes because it would make his life easier and there's no real fear of it but my instinctual reaction to this is hold strong netflix for as long as you can because a it's not going to be that much longer and b i just don't want to see apple come to dominate another anything

00:00 - 00:00 Marco Arment

Thanks to our sponsors this episode, Squarespace, Delete Me, and Factor. And thanks to our members who support us directly. You can join us at atp.fm slash join. One of the many perks of membership is ATP Overtime, our weekly bonus topic. This week on Overtime, we're going to be talking about the recent obsession with, quote, humanoid robots.

00:00 - 00:00 Marco Arment

um we seem seems like apple and meta are rumored to be working on humanoid style robots we're gonna be talking about that in overtime you can join to listen atb.fm join thanks everybody and we'll talk to you next week so

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