607: The Structure and Vibe of a Podcast

3925.703 - 3954.475 John Siracusa

And what meta showing here doesn't exist yet, but there is like, they're going towards that. And I think what everyone is kind of seeing is, Oh, they have a pretty good chance of doing something good here. Whereas what we're seeing from Apple has not really led us in that direction yet. At this point, I would be surprised if we ever saw another Vision hardware release from Apple.