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Call Her Daddy
Riley Keough: Nepo babies, Addiction & Grief
chewing sorry so what are you eating what are you eating i'm eating um toast i'm eating i'm eating raisin toast so i'm in raisin toast with butter okay so i'm on a podcast and they asked me to call a friend to describe how you would describe me as a friend as a friend as a friend i would describe you as a ride or die Like, you are down for whatever. You will always show up all the time.
Call Her Daddy
Riley Keough: Nepo babies, Addiction & Grief
You're very consistent. Like, I feel like me and you will, like, not talk or see each other for, like, six months. And then it's, like, we just pick up where we left off. And I think you're really good at keeping secrets. Gonna tell those on this pod. You're, like, actually. And you're incredibly loyal. And you're funny. You're funny as hell. And you're honest. Keep going. That's so cute.
Call Her Daddy
Riley Keough: Nepo babies, Addiction & Grief
It's true. You're welcome. Love you. Bye. Okay. You're just like, you're such a bitch. You're just like a bitch.
Call Her Daddy
Riley Keough: Nepo babies, Addiction & Grief
Really? You're the nicest person in the world.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
They're out in my parents' yard, and Bill says to her, you know this is to be an open marriage, right? And she was taken aback. She said to me, I had the strength to tell him, no, Bill, we're going to have to not get married, you know, if you can't commit to monogamy. He backed down? Yeah, he came back and said, okay, I've thought about it, and I can commit. But did he?
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Poison Twist
When he was dating our daughter, he would come to the house every day. And how did you feel about the relationship? There was always something off, something we didn't care for with Adam. He was kind of off, detached.
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Poison Twist
He wouldn't make eye contact with you and he wouldn't really talk to anyone in the family.
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Poison Twist
No, we did mention to Katie that we didn't think there was something different with Adam and we didn't really feel comfortable about it. Her sisters also recognized that fact too.
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Poison Twist
Things were good. It seemed good. And, you know, we want her to be happy and she seemed happy. And then when things started to go a little south, I think she kind of realized it, too, that it wasn't a healthy relationship to be in. So she kind of separated or tried to separate herself from it as much as she could.
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Poison Twist
Katie and Adam broke up and got back together a few times over three years. Katie just had enough of him being up, being down, being up, being down. And just some of the things he would say just weren't right. Did Adam have any issues with his mom that you know of?
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Poison Twist
I know they definitely were not as close as our family was. He would just kind of talk down about his family. He was like, I don't get it. Like, I've met your mother. She's great.
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Poison Twist
But they clearly had something because they kept going back to each other.
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Poison Twist
You said it may have been an accident. Did he express that he didn't mean to do this to you?
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Poison Twist
He told you that he put the colchicine under your seat? Under his seat? Under your seat? He told you that?
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Poison Twist
I'm okay. Because if he knows that I, like, if he knows that I came to you.
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Poison Twist
Tamarin called me, Mary's daughter, and told you Mary was sick. Yeah, she said Mary's in the hospital. And she was desperate on the phone, and I was like, well, Mary's the healthiest woman I know. I just said, Tamarin, everything will be fine. Everything will be fine.
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Poison Twist
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Poison Twist
No doctor is coming out and telling you, here's what she has, here's what we're doing about it.
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Poison Twist
He really is the only person that I can, in good heart and faith, say had motive to actually kill his wife.
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Poison Twist
Do you remember the first time that you had sexual relations with Kathy Richmond?
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Poison Twist
I have to ask you how much you inherited in total from your father's estate?
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Poison Twist
Do you remember specifically ever being told, I don't want anybody to know that I'm here?
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Poison Twist
If there was a second dose, then there's no possibility, no possibility that Caitlin could have been involved because she didn't have access to Mary at that particular time.
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Poison Twist
Dr. Mary Oter is rather soft-spoken and young-sounding and very vibrant herself.
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Poison Twist
No. I mean, Katie worked at the office. He would have been able to control these very, very important circumstances that led to her being charged.
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Poison Twist
The prosecution couldn't say that Katie searched this particular term prior to Mary's death. It appeared that it was afterwards.
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Poison Twist
Yes. With the authorities? Yes, I did. She had the opportunity on, I believe, seven different occasions to say, you know, I think I want an attorney. But instead, she continued to cooperate and be subjected to some pretty severe interrogation tactics.
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Poison Twist
They send us two DVDs from the dates and times those were purchased. Who is not on these DVDs? That's not Adam. Who purchases the prepaid cards?
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Poison Twist
This can't be. Yeah, it was, yes. It just can't be true. I don't think you feel at that moment. It really is just a shock.
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Poison Twist
Do you think that your daughter, your 23-year-old, could give an accurate statement under those conditions?
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Poison Twist
What if you're wrong? What if she really did do this? Have you thought about that?
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Poison Twist
We just... Every once in a while, and it's just so not... We have tried to wrap our heads around it a thousand ways to see if there's any way possible that we think she could have done this.
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Poison Twist
I actually thought that after I gave my closing that we'd have a... a verdict in 15 or 20 minutes of not guilty.
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Poison Twist
Oh, well, the first 20 minutes were okay, but then it went on for day one and day two.
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Poison Twist
There was no hesitation. We were going back. We were retrying the case. We needed to get justice for this family and for this woman.
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Poison Twist
He put the colchicine in her supplements when he was over there, either Mother's Day or Father's Day, when he had a falling out.
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Poison Twist
How do you know, first of all, that she was the one that was researching the poison, since Adam had total control of all of her electronic equipment anytime he wanted it?
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Poison Twist
Don't think that Adam didn't have full reign of that office, ladies and gentlemen. He came and went as he pleased any time he wanted to, okay?
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Poison Twist
He beat her, he hit her, he raped her, he used her. Why wouldn't she be scared of him?
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Poison Twist
You grabbed my right wrist and said you'd snap my wrist and break every one of my fingers. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you, Katie. The way you said it, the way you looked at me. And then I was afraid.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
There's no motive in this case. She loved Mary Yoder. And there's nothing in this case to indicate that her actions were anything other than loving Mary Yoder.
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Poison Twist
Never, ever in your wildest dreams would you think that this would happen.
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Poison Twist
Did you ever cause colchicine in any way, accidentally or intentionally, to be ingested by your mother?
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Poison Twist
I snapped and I slapped her a few times. I regretted it immediately. I left the house.
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Poison Twist
I was in shock. I didn't know how to react. I was panicking. Ultimately, I had drank enough to black out that night, so I couldn't defend myself. I didn't have a version of the story to say to her in response.
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Poison Twist
She told me it's to help basically focus, boost memory. She said, make sure I take it consecutively and consistently because it works better over time.
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Poison Twist
The vomiting and the pain, I started experiencing severe abdomen pain and eventually severe back pain as well.
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Poison Twist
I asked her if she had poisoned me in a joking way. And what did she say? Said no, she would never hurt me.
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Poison Twist
Ten days later, on April 21st, he gets sick with the same symptoms of colchicine poisoning that Mary got sick with, okay?
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Poison Twist
Did you ever cause colchicine in any way, accidentally or intentionally, to be ingested by your mother?
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Poison Twist
Before she actually honed in on colchicine, she looked at arsenic. She looked at thallium. She looked at cyanide. I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, that the evidence is clear and that the common denominator is this defendant, Caitlin Conley.
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Poison Twist
No one can ever say that this is what she did. This is not her. She's the same nice, nurturing, helping person that she was and always has been.
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Poison Twist
The record will reflect that the jury has reentered the courtroom indicating that they have reached a verdict.
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Poison Twist
Murder in the second degree. How do you find the defendant? Guilty or not guilty? Not guilty.
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Poison Twist
In the small community where Caitlin lived, there's signs that said, free Caitlin Conley. Caitlin Conley's innocent.
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Poison Twist
So what's actually really fascinating about this case is Katie's extremely bright. Katie had a job in the prison law library. And through that position, she just worked tirelessly on her case. And she said, listen, I'm really focused on this issue regarding the search warrant for my phone.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
I mean, just the warrant on its face is probably the most insufficient, facially insufficient warrant that I've ever came across. They believed that that was a warrant to take her phone and look in it. But what it needs to be is two separate warrants. One to take her phone. and then one to actually search the contents of her phone.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
And the warrant needs to say what they're looking for, what crime they think it's going to help them establish, and the timeframe.
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Poison Twist
I thought it was strange that in this really extremely rare poisoning case that neither attorney that represented her at the two trials would have hired a toxicologist to at least consult with on that type of poisoning.
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Poison Twist
That significantly expanded the potential timeframe where Mary Yoder could have been poisoned. And because it expanded the timeframe, it expanded the other potential people that could be responsible for the poisoning.
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Poison Twist
His defense was that Adam Yoder committed the crime. So he wanted to get the poison in Adam Yoder's hands.
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Poison Twist
It kind of is like this last recourse in order for a court to scrutinize your criminal case. 440s are extremely challenging to win.
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Poison Twist
I didn't at the time. I see it as an issue. I didn't recognize it. I failed to recognize it.
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Poison Twist
The cell phone evidence in and of itself was extremely important. They said that she had searched Colchicine on her cell phone. They questioned her. They interviewed her using information they found in her cell phone to derive statements from her. In the end, the motion was denied. But that wasn't the end of this. Correct.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
I would say about two to five percent of criminal defendants get permission to appeal from the denial of a 440.
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Poison Twist
Kaitlyn Conley has this right to the effective assistance of counsel. Just a month later. The appellate division ruled in Katie's favor, granted her a new trial, and ultimately dismissed the indictment against her. I think I screamed. I ran around my office telling everybody that we had won.
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Poison Twist
Once a defendant's conviction has been reversed and the indictment dismissed, the appropriate remedy is discharge from custody. It's kindly released. Court's adjourned.
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Poison Twist
You could see tears were dripping down Caitlin's face, and you could just see the father just reached over and said, come here and give me a hug. And they kissed and hugged, and then she hugged all the other family members, her mother and one of her sisters.
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
I asked her, where are you going to eat? And she said, well, I got a McDonald's milkshake.
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Poison Twist
Oh, belly dancing. We costumed and choreographed a dance for a local havla, which it's an Egyptian dance, yeah.
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Poison Twist
The ruling from the appellate court says you can't use anything on Caitlin Connolly's cell phone. You take the cell phone out, what's left? Is it bare bones? Is there still meat out there that they can lock onto? Or is this totally going to make it very, very hard to argue that Caitlin Connolly did this again?
Dateline NBC
Poison Twist
The decision did not say Caitlin Connelly's innocent. It did not say the evidence was all wrong. What it said was there was a legal mistake in the trial that violated Caitlin's constitutional rights.
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Poison Twist
So Katie's always maintained through the first and second trials or her lawyers did that, you know, potentially there's two other suspects.
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Poison Twist
The world is not as wonderful a place as it was. Mary loved life more than anyone else I ever knew. And she made a point of loving it. She really did.
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Poison Twist
Why would she want Mary dead? No explanation. She had a great relationship with Mary. Maybe this isn't the slam dunk case that some people think it is.
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Poison Twist
If there were problems in the marriage, was Mary the type to share with her sisters?
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Return to the Lake
The woman at the door was Susan Smith, a shy, quiet 23-year-old brunette who worked as a secretary at a local textile company. Tiffany Moss knew her from school.
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Return to the Lake
On behalf of my family, we want to apologize to the black community of Union. I'm thankful, especially to many of my black friends who called me and, you know, to comfort me and to tell me that they still love me.
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Unchecked Evil
It was just like normal. I was just like, okay, bye, like, have fun, or I'll see you later.
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Unchecked Evil
I don't think any of us slept at all. We all stayed together the whole night. We had a lot of people. I think all of our parents came to our apartment and just were there to console us. It really just didn't feel real at all.
Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
Michael's one of my best friends. He was a very strong man. He's a good man. He loved his family. He took care of his family. He wasn't sick. He wasn't ready to die.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Well, Andrea, there was a ruling on an issue we've been talking about on the podcast for the past few weeks involving Reed's defense team and two expert witnesses they called to testify at her trial. The prosecution accused the defense of not disclosing how closely they worked with those two witnesses on their testimony and that they paid them thousands of dollars after the trial.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
The defense said they didn't do anything to cover up intentionally. What did the judge decide? Well, on Tuesday, the judge ruled that the defense attorneys did, in fact, make repeated misrepresentations, her words, about their relationship with the two experts. And Judge Canone issued an exceptionally stern warning to the defense.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
But the judge ruled that despite its misrepresentations, the defense team, including Alan Jackson, can remain in place and the experts are going to be allowed to testify again at Reed's second trial.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Correct. That judge ruled that Karen Reed will be tried on the same three charges she faced at her first trial.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Her defense team was trying to get the second-degree murder and the leaving the scene of the accident charges thrown out since they say several jurors contacted them after the trial and said the jury had unanimously agreed to acquit Reed on those two charges, and they were only hung on the manslaughter charge.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
But the federal judge said that wasn't enough to dismiss the charges, and her team is appealing that decision. And the defense has made a request to push back the trial date? Alan Jackson made that request because of that appeal that we just discussed. So we'll have to wait and see what the judge rules on that.
Dateline NBC
A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
Yeah, the only sign of Kunanki they found are items of her clothing on a beach chair. And she was last seen with a 22-year-old college senior from Iowa. His name is Joshua Reby. And last weekend, Reby was seen by NBC News on the beach with investigators pointing towards the sea. He said, I'm just trying to help them out. The ocean is a dangerous place.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
What went down at the hearing? Well, the judge laid out some parameters for Lori if she chooses to testify in her own defense.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
That's correct. The witness Lori is requesting is a tech expert who would review 22 terabytes of information on a hard drive. The problem is, according to the prosecution, the expert doesn't have enough time to review all that evidence before trial. And the judge basically asked Lori if she wanted to postpone the trial to give the expert more time.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
But Lori said she wants the trial to continue on schedule with whatever information the expert can gather in time.
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A star defense witness takes the stand. The Zizians' leader in court. And a new scam called pig butchering.
They've asked the police to declare her dead, even though no body has been found.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Hey, Jim, is it cold and miserable out?
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
The prosecution is now alleging that the defense withheld information from the prosecution and the court about those contracted experts. And they say that the defense never disclosed that the experts received $23,000 for their testimony, nor that the defense collaborated with the experts on that testimony. The jury was told that they were retained independently.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
So the hearing's been rescheduled for next week. So we'll see if the judge shares any more information about her decision to end the hearing early. And we'll see if she allows those experts back for Reed's second trial, which again is set for April.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Well, Blaine, there's a gag order in place, so there's a lot that the public still doesn't know about this case. But as the court has been gearing up for this summer's trial, there have been some hearings that talk about possible evidence in the case.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
So we've known for a while now that Koberger was initially charged with the murders based on detectives allegedly matching his DNA to DNA found on a knife sheath left at the crime scene. But his defense has made this bombshell new claim. They revealed recently that detectives found blood at the crime scene from two additional males, both of whom are still unidentified.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
At the scene, one male's blood was found on a railing inside the house where the four students were killed, and a different male's blood was found on a glove outside the house. Koberger's defense alleges that the police failed to disclose those unidentified blood samples to a judge when they sought that warrant for Koberger's arrest in December of 2022, and the prosecution has not disputed it.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
So the group's leader, known as Ziz, legal name Jack Lasoda, was arrested last weekend in Western Maryland. Lasoda was charged with trespassing, having a handgun in a vehicle, and obstructing and hindering, all of which are misdemeanors. Now, police have arrested someone else here, too. Yeah, two other people, in fact.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
One, Michelle Zyko, another Zizian who was a person of interest in the Vermont border guard shooting, plus the murders of that Pennsylvania couple who were actually Zyko's parents. Zyko was also only charged with misdemeanors.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
The minister called and they said, do you remember my dad being killed? Never in a million years would you think that you'd see your parents' house taped off, the farm taped off by that yellow tape.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Here's that sound. So I started with just box number one, stores one through 25. Then box number two, stores 25 through 30.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Until I got to like 100 and I believe it was 108 or 118, I said, this is going to be impossible.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
It took me probably three days and two nights.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
I heard homicide. I heard it was important.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Out West, Josh pointed this out last night, Josh Mankiewicz.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
He was dating my ex-girlfriend. It's all good. Whatever.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Reid was in court on Tuesday for a motions hearing when all of a sudden the judge suspended it.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Whole plus DHA. It's good for brain development. So we always try and get it to her.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Annie Long's. I like natural ice beer. Natty Ice. Natty Ice. Yeah.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
No, not at all. I mean, no, it wasn't an issue at all for months.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Eventually, that call did happen. I mean, it's—it was part of—it's complex.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
Yeah, as our listeners might remember, Reed went to trial, but there was a hung jury, and so her retrial is set to start in April.
Dateline NBC
An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
So Reed was in court on Tuesday for a motions hearing when all of a sudden, about halfway through the day, the judge suspended it. And this is what she said when she addressed the courtroom.
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An alleged "murder dentist" in Colorado. Hawaii husband takes the stand at his second murder trial. And Keith talks about his latest podcast series.
She didn't say exactly, but just before she ended the hearing, the prosecution was discussing the defense's contracting of a company called ARCA. And ARCA works on accident reconstruction. And if you remember in Reed's first trial, the defense brought two ARCA experts to the stand, and they testified that the damage on Reed's SUV could not have been from hitting a pedestrian, i.e. John O'Keefe.