Tobias Forge
Appearances
Morbid
Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
I went to the premiere here in London. I'm currently in London. So I was here for the premiere. So that was the first time I saw it with essentially a bunch of strangers. And there was this murmur. No one cursed you? No cursing. But yeah, there was definitely a noise, that signal.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
No, it's easy. It's more fun if you, as a fan, you get to follow the story the way that I've rolled it out with the comic and onward. It's a boring way to explain it, but it's just better explained that way. I'm fascinated, not in like a Mengele sort of way about twins, but I think that there is this, I mean, obviously, I do happen to have two children who are twins.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
But I think that there is this fascination with, especially when it comes to grown-up people who've been separated at birth for this, that, or the other reason. Sometimes by accident, sometimes by choice, sometimes by, you know, force.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
More than often, it's been a result of, you know, girls who basically couldn't take care of their children and wasn't at that point maybe equipped or had the ability to take care of children. So they had no choice but to leave them up for adoption. And, you know, there are cases where... they have felt forced to give up one. And I've always been fascinated with
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
I don't know, the concept of family ties and bloodlines and all that. And I think that that comes not necessarily from the fact that I have twins myself, but it comes also from the fact I have several adopted siblings. And, you know, just a few years ago, I did what most people or a lot of people do nowadays.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Yeah, I guess it's stretched over two years. I don't remember exactly, but something like that.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
You do the ancestry and, you know, you check your DNA and then you get like a whole slew of people that you're... Related all over the world, the place and, you know, dawned on me pretty quickly that if some of my siblings would do that, their thing is completely different. Yeah, that they they belong to some other family with their own background and their own everything.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
And I really wished that they did in a way. But as far as I know, they haven't because it's it's it's such a trauma for them.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So when I say the word fascinating, it's not always like from a joyful. It's it's it's from a it's really affecting stuff. And it really can do a number on someone when you learn something about your life. And especially if you feel that something that you believe was true was all of a sudden not true. In my family case, they are very well aware that they are adopted.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So that so that is not a thing. But. I'm just saying that it's, it never does it become more clear when one does the test and, you know, you can trace back and the other one to you is like, Oh, that's cool.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
It's an interesting concept. And I think for the most part, it's a really good thing. I do believe that. Simply put, knowing your history. And I found it to be very humbling to be able to look at my family tree and seeing all these people. Obviously, most of them I couldn't see photos of or I could only see names.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
But, you know, watching generation of generation of people struggling and more than often, especially when you go back 100 years. And it's common that you see a mom and dad that gets like 12 kids.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Out of six of them die. It's wild. Like a year, two years, three years.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Back then, it was a completely normal thing for us. It's like that's a cataclysmic event.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
You can't even say that they weren't suffering. But I'm just saying that it was like a completely different time. And they spent very probably spent very little time wallowing in affairs and worldwide.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
things that didn't bother that that wasn't directly affecting them and they just kept head straight and and they worked and and they made sure that the kids that survived survived and and um you know i i have a tremendous amount of respect what's the word humility yeah like all that work that was put in order for me to sit here and talk shit.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Yeah, I simply put the previous record especially was such a channeling of me deciphering external influences. And, um, I felt that, uh, even though I, I mean, I'm, I'm super proud of impair. I thought that that, that, That was the record that I wanted to do at the time. Nothing wrong with that. But I felt not at all inspired to go back and make, you know, a sequel to that, like an Impera 2.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Even though, I mean, obviously there's plenty of fodder if you want to have, like, continue down that path. But I just felt that that's not inspiring. That's not, it doesn't. that is simply not what I need. And, and, and therefore, hence, I don't think that that's what my people like people are interested in what I think, feel or need, either.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Considering the fatigue I feel, I'm apparently not known. Let's put it this way. I mean, in last year when I was working on the record simultaneous with the film, there were definitely moments where I felt...
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
I'd rather make a more introspective record that that deals with evergreen feelings and basic human sentiments instill hope.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
I'm glad you say that. You know, at some point when you... you sketch out this little idea that, oh, so this is a thematic concept and these are a few songs that I've been fiddling with. there's always this process when you're practically putting together a record.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
And, you know, at the end of the day, I mean, regardless of what message that you want to stay on point with, you know, it still needs to be like a entertaining piece of work, a piece of art that, you know, with rhymes and new words and, So there's so many hurdles to go from like a pure, pure intuitive idea to actually looking at like 42 minutes of qualitative entertainment.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Yeah. I mean, but that's what I do. Yeah. I love that. But it's definitely, it's always a challenge.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Fun challenge, but it's always, especially when you're trying to do thematic. Thanks. That's why I'm that's why sometimes I'm also like using the theme as like a it's that's a loose direction that I've that I've used as a more originally most for myself in order to sort of stay on on brand might be the wrong but stay on point stay on stay focused. So I know where not to go.
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I like that. It's simply because I don't really have one go-to process. So I was using the same process as Seas. I think that this was the first time, first record where I... worked with collaborators that I, and I worked only with collaborators that I worked with quite a lot before. I didn't have any new, any new blood.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
like clear signs that big endeavors like that are better handled singularly I don't remember whatever you call it you do one thing at a time it's very hard to keep focus somehow I managed to do that but it's it was definitely hard you know the good thing about the film was that a large part of it was based on footage that we'd already you know secured that that we'd already shot in
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So we were, we were working with, with, with a certain amount of rapport and background, which was comforting. Because you trust the other people, you trust them, you know that we're working towards the same goal and everybody has, you know, the intent of making everything as good as possible. I know that no one...
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
who the hell would go into a production with with the opposite you never know you just never know anymore definitely feel sometimes that someone is phoning it in and especially if it's like a big production with a lot of people and obviously someone is there someone is there because they're getting paid so and they're they're functional too so it's that's not a problem but
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Yeah, it was quite closely knit, and we were not a big bunch of people working on this one. As some of you fans might know, we, I, basically have a little bit of a divide between how I make the records and then whom is performing on stage.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
And, you know, across, you know, my 15 years career as this band, I've experimented a little bit with that, but I've learned the hard way that if you're not going to use everyone, it's better to use no one. If not everybody's being called in for their ability and their special gift, anybody who's excluded from that, they're going to take that the wrong way. It's not going to be great. Yeah.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So it's just better. I've just found it more comforting and more productive and nicer to everybody to just work with others. And then Once we get the band together, you know, then we haven't nagged each other down. We haven't worn each other down throughout the process of making a record, which a lot of other bands do. Oh, I'm sure.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
They have already been in the studio and, you know, killing each other for a year. Oh, yeah.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Yeah. Making records, especially if you are collaborating, it is very, I don't have a better word, it's an intimate process. I'm sure. You know, it's a very, you have to be very open and daring.
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No, but it's pretty much what you do. Of course, when you've done it a couple of times, it's simply not a part of your... It's kind of like getting naked with someone you're together with. It's not a thing after a while that you're... You know? And once you've started riding with someone and it feels good, it does... become more natural.
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You don't have that initial obstacle of, you know, having to put the shades down.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Yeah. Yes. I knew it. But the point is not that it's me. It's the point that it's a priest. Yes. I want people to focus on... It's a priest, yeah. I mean, of course, I understand that people will sort of notice. It's good. It's hard. Good prosthetics, but it's obviously not to the point where I'm completely beyond. But the song itself has a... So this is how meta and weird Ghost is sometimes.
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So that was, you know, a good lion's share of the content, if you will. You know, sometimes with making records or making making films, you just have to stay on script. You just just do what we decided. My problem is that I don't really I don't really work like that. I'm I'm sort of off the cuff, do improvising stuff. And so any project will demand a lot of my time.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Love that. The song is written in eye form. Eye perspective. But on the record, Papa the Fifth Perpetua is singing, pretending to be another character. Right?
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
Alina has quite a theory and I think you just confirmed it. Because... Papa the Fifth Perpetua is a singer in a band. So as any other band who has songs that are written in I form can be about someone else. They're not always about their personal experience.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So in the video... a problem sort of arose because of this. Because we needed... My idea was for this love-stricken monk to go through the hurdles of confusing his infatuation with being possessed. And of course, his surroundings within the monastery, of course, Dave.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
The symptoms that are showing is clearly the sickness of being possessed by a demon. And the cure for this is, you know, an exorcism and repentance and all that.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
so technically you know it was important that okay so i mean obviously i can't transform into papa that becomes really poor and bad yeah so we needed to have a another character coming in so we had this this uh he's a swedish actor i don't know if anybody was so good you guys you you recognize him
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His name is, I hope I say this right internationally, like David Denchik. And he's been in all kinds of stuff. He was in a James Bond film. Oh, wow. Yeah. A lot of Swedish and Scandinavian films. I mean, he stars, he's half, I think he's half Danish or something.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So he's in a lot of Danish films.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So maybe it wasn't just his kind face. He's a very talented actor. He's very well known in Sweden, Denmark, Scandinavia. Yeah. Hugely talented. Very, very nice. Lots of fun to work with. So he really graced that video with this personality that I think was needed. And which sort of put me in a little bit of a, you know, being superfluous, which is fine. I don't have to star or anything.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
But somebody needs to be the priest. And it's always interesting to be plain asshole.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
If I looked more like a stereotypical sort of strong... angry man, like, you know, with all those features, you know how some men are just like, badass. I can't really play that, you know, you know, what you're looking at right now is me sort of having spent some time being sick.
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So I'm sort of in home mode in the sort of the hobo It's chic. But, you know, when I'm clean-shaven and all, I can't really scare people. And sometimes, to whatever extent, I am an actor at some point. I would say so. You just have to live with the fact that what your look is is sort of... You've got to work with it. That's what you can play with.
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mental presence and acuity which is fun when you've done it but it can be really tiresome and I've definitely sort of not to be ageist here but I'm sort of approaching that age when I start feeling a little bit of results when things get a little bit too much
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I had to screw him up with some sort of feature that gave him a little bit more of a character.
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You mean Book of Revelations or the Corinthians?
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like that whole like sexual immorality thing this is i mean no this was specific to this song okay uh just because it in in in that specific verse um i can't paraphrase it in english exactly what it says but it but it's it's uh somewhere along the lines of keep your body clean because at the end of the day you know it belongs to god yeah and um
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in the context of the song and the meaning of the video, I think it's fairly poignant and on point to this misconception that anybody who's love-stricken is somehow opening themselves up to destroying their bond and their covenant with God.
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Which is completely unfathomable.
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But, you know, obviously it wasn't too much because I'm here now.
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I think the first thing that was crossed out was masturbate? Yeah, that was definitely one. And obviously he didn't want to suggest that. And then it's Was it suicide? Oh, that's what it was. But he didn't want to, like, no, that's not great. He didn't want to suggest that. Maybe he was starting going through the Bible verses there, and he landed on two Corinthians.
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And anybody who knows current history knows that two Corinthians does not exist. It's second Corinthians. But when you pose with the Bible... and try to trick your your followers that you have any clue what you're talking about and you say that wrong it becomes kind of humoristic it does um so um that was a little bit of a
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I... I don't know off the top of my head.
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I believe that this is a quite old film, right? It is.
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Yeah. I don't remember. I don't remember. I vaguely have it in the back of my head. I think I know which film it is. Sometimes I do have a problem remembering or simply detecting which film someone is referring to, because even though in Sweden we don't dub films, we have other titles for the films. Oh, I didn't even think of that.
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which is too much ridicule and the laughing of my band members, the band that I'm traveling with because they have picked up on this little anomaly in Swedish cinema. I kind of love that. So sometimes I get the question like, what's this called in Swedish? So like simple, simple old school things. It's like Jaws. It's called Hayim, and that means the shark. There you go.
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And, you know, towering inferno is and that means the skyscraper is on fire.
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You know, the course of touring, and you sit in the bus and do exactly what we're talking about right now. Like, we're just like, have you seen this film?
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know then i see you know a picture of it oh yeah of course i've seen this but you know i remember this film and then i have to tell them the title and it's like whoa it's such a simplified stupid i love it dumb dumb uh you know the old one that's fairly known is that all mel brooks films in swedish is called springtime for huh springtime springtime for hitler wow um
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And a lot of the Goldie Hawn films was the girl who fell overboard, the girl who did military service, the girl who knew too much.
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Yeah, I don't know what to answer that. I mean, but it's also the good thing. This is the weird thing about my job. compared to friends that I have that make films or friends that I have that are just writing songs all the time that might not have much of an artistic career, but more just like writing is that they just go from one creative to another.
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Yeah. All the all the, you know, National Lapoon's National Vacation or Christmas Vacation, all that.
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All the all the ones that all the Clark were Clark Griswold films. They're called a pair for a dad. A pair. It's pattern till fashion. So that means like a pair as in the fruit.
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celebrating Christmas. A pair for a dad on a European vacation. You know?
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
So when I say, if I ask... Anyone in Sweden, like, have you seen National Lampoon's European Vacation?
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They will most likely not know what I'm talking about.
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That's the one with the pear. Yeah.
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I'm going to check it. Vanessa Redgrave.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this rings a bell.
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Episode 654: Diving into SKELETA with Tobias Forge of GHOST
I mean, obviously, my music for almost forever, I mean, as soon as I started writing songs, especially for bands and stuff, it was always driven by a certain level of supernatural presence, if you will, because I started writing songs for especially metal and death metal and stuff like that. So, of course, there's this...
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supernatural horror element and then that just sort of continued even through my sort of inter wall bands where it was still sort of darkish and now obviously it's influenced by that too or at least wrapped in some sort of wrapping that's supposed to be horror-esque so of course I think that Scandinavian folklore had I don't know how it is nowadays because I'm obviously not a
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child now and I do have children though so I'm not sure if they I'm not sure that they have sort of dealt with the same fairy tale you know murkiness that even when I was a kid and Scandinavian folklore is a lot about trolls and various creatures that live in the forest where I grew up in Linköping
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We had, I mean, anybody traveling to Linköping or anybody who's ever been there knows that there's a stream going through the city and it's like a built stream and it's in the form of sort of a city park, if you will. It's not just sort of licking between the houses. It's like a long, long park that goes through the town.
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And because it's part of a system called Yatakanal, a channel, it's adjoined to Yatakanal. It has these sluices and stuff, so you can actually take the boat and travel. Oh, that's cool. And where I grew up and where my kindergarten was... It's still there. It's still a functioning kindergarten, like a daycare place. It was really nice because we had it.
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And even though I'm constantly creating to a certain degree, I also flip-flop between a creative period to a less creative period that is the tour. Where you're creative in the beginning, but it is actually more of a... Dare I say more of like a normal job in the sense that you show up in time and you do your job and then you're done.
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It was sitting right next to, very near the stream. So there was like a huge park, like a big park right next to where we were. And we had the sluice, you know, where old wooden boats would come and they would, you know, fill the water up. But there was also like a waterfall there. It's actually a pretty beautiful place. If anybody travels to Linköping at some point, go down to Hawaii.
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It's called Hawaii because it's like a little peninsula where me and my friends and everybody we knew would go with six packs and get fucked up. We all have that one place.
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Not when I was in kindergarten, but... Anyway, there's this character in Swedish folklore called Nekken. And he is like a naked man sitting. That's scary. In a waterfall or where the water streams downstream. And he would sit there and play fiddle naked. And if you ever hear him, you will be enchanted by his playing. And you will... And he will lure you, and he will drown you.
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I like the fiddle music. When I was little, and we were down there playing, you couldn't help but to sort of think that if there was such a thing as neck in, he would probably sit right over there. Sounds like it. Because that is a typical neck in place to sit. Yeah.
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Exactly. And I might have been also disturbed by, do you still have that insect infestation in Pittsburgh? That was crazy. Which one?
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That was what I was referring to. But conclusively, I just want to say we are coming to Pittsburgh. You are?
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I bet they're going to go... You just happened to step in on the one night when we didn't do that.
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The creative work is done in a sense. The creative job is like, oh, it never ends. I have to make the thing. It's always, what?
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Yes. I know that there is a DNA... question mark on that.
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I am very interested in the subject, and I definitely don't think it's Aaron Kuzminski.
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Well, yeah, I think I spoke about this last time as well, is that the problem with most of the names that's been thrown around is that what they all have in common is that they somehow have... Some exotic or, you know, weird treat that makes them eccentric or typically weird.
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It's interesting how, in this case, especially now when we know so much more about serial killers, I don't blame people back then to be sort of dumbfolded and sort of screwing up everything when it came to the investigation. But it's interesting how we now... I have a tendency to believe that this case is so different from every other serial killer in the history of serial killers.
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We know now that serial killers are not necessarily an eccentric weirdo. Like shit openly and have circus. We know that they are more likely to be like perfectly... Functional family men.
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There's this very interesting reoccurring. It's sort of part of the mainframe of the story that if you believe in the limitation of the canonical five, that after Mary Kelly, no one can do that number on another person.
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physically could subject someone to that ultraviolence without losing their minds yeah that's like a very excited that yeah like since when that does that and way worse and then make it and speak coherently and uh yeah and go have dinner with their family so it's their kids up from daycare It's really fascinating as a human social experiment talking and listening to theories about this because...
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It's mired in such a mist that for some reason makes people sort of completely unrealistic. But, you know, I'm also just an amateur. I don't know who did it. I can't present you with facts.
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This is from the 1800s. It will serve me well if people think it's Aaron Kosminski for some time.
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So continue thinking that. Okay, it's officially him.
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Thank you so much. You're making me blush here.