Thomas 'Drago' Dzieran
Appearances
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
When our fifth is open on the Humvees, oh, that was like, whole hell broke loose. I could shoot the guy, but he was not armed. As I'm working with the guy, the car comes in. Hey, Drago, you need to stop the Grom guy. Grom element is moving on the backyard, and there are three guys in ambush lanes. I'm going to knock his front teeth out. I'm going to make a necklace out of it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I ran through all these fives and stuff. I said, can I stay? He's like, nope. From 184, right at the beginning, before the mudflats, I got rolled to 185. I had to start again, but it allowed me to heal my leg. I don't think I would be able to make through Halloween with this big open wound on my leg with infection in my leg and swollen like the elephant leg. Wow. Yeah, so that was my first phase.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Did you find it difficult being from your... I found it physically very difficult, but I didn't find it mentally difficult because maybe when I came to Bud's, I was thinking that this is going to be hell. that is in the hell, that this is going to be extremely... And it was physically, but mentally, like, for some reason, the instructors yelling, calling names and all that stuff didn't faze me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I kind of expected it. I thought that this is... Actually, I thought it was funny because, like, I didn't do anything. I yelled it for nothing, so I didn't show it to instructors that I think it's funny. I took everything seriously. When they say drop down, I didn't question it. I dropped down and pushed it out, whatever I was told to do. And...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I did, I think very well actually, one of the instructors, instructor Turner, just looked at me and said, drop down, 50. So I just looked, 50, I think it was the first phase, so the first phase, you don't do 50. But, so I did it, I said, who are you, instructor Turner? He just looked at me and said, well, you know what, I think I like you. Get the fuck out of here. Go back in the class.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then in the Hell Week, you remember that there's a time after maybe two, three days when they get you together and they ask you, okay, tell me why you come here to BATS. And I just have to tell them what's there. So I hear, guys, well, I came here to try to be the best. I'm here to, and I will try to finish this training, give my best and so and so.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And so when they asked me, I said, fuck, I didn't come here to try. I came here to become a SEAL. And either my body will break down or you kick me out, but I will come out of this as a... I will graduate from this program. I didn't come here to try. I mean, I didn't come here to try. They got mad, but I know they liked it because I can see them like, right on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then, you know, there's a lot of things like this with the knives. You know, we had these knife inspections. So they always called me because my knife, you know, it was like a cheesy knife, but fairly cheap, and you have to maintain them very well. I could put my knife just the edge, like on my arm, and just let it slide. It would shave your hand. They were that sharp.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So they were calling me sometimes to demonstrate to other classes how... how to maintain the equipment. Also on the swim, remember I couldn't swim very well, neither was Jason Cabell. Not only that I couldn't swim very well, I could swim only on one side, the side stroke. Then on the top of it, they put the mask on me. I have never swim with mask in my life.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is the really thing I thought I would drown because I remember I was swimming. I couldn't breathe with the mask, close my nose. I was breathing as much water, I think as much air. When I came out of that pool after the first few swims, my belly was so big that I could feel water sloshing in it. And there were times that I remember I was swimming. I was like, I'm about to pass out.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I have so much water in my lungs, and I have black spots in my eyes. But that's like, if I stop, they will kick me out. So I know they are watching. There are instructors there. If I pass out, I'm not going to die. So I was just like, you have to trust them. And it slowly become easier and easier. By the end of my... That was in the fourth phase of the pre-phase.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
When we finished, I was asked actually to demonstrate the new guys coming into that training how to do the side stroke. So I was very proud of it. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And Jason Cabrera, too. He became a really good swimmer. We are still friends, so we talk to each other. And great guy. He was very inspirational for me. So, yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I checked into team in March 2000, March 1993, SEAL Team 2.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
No, I think there's very few people that made it. I think I'm one of the few that not only made through bans, but made through the SEAL teams, into the SEAL teams. Because as you know, very often people who made through bans, they still don't cut and they are either removed from SQT or today, before it was SET, or they were being removed while in the platoon, either pre-war cap,
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Or during the event after the deployment, it's like, well, you are not the guy, so you need to leave. I have friends that came with me or after me who made bots to that selection, checked into the teams, and they were sent to the fleet. That was not easy for me being old, especially with my English, too.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I need to say that, but at that time, I was still at the stage that when you talked to me, I had to translate myself in Polish before I speak to you. I had to translate on English. But I guess I did it so fast. I was able to do it so fast that people seldom noticed that. The issues show up in CQB where you have to be on your feet, you have to be very fast.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That's when it really started occurring to me that I need to improve my English. I need to get better with my English. Matter of fact, when I came back from the first deployment, when you come back from deployment, you pick the schools. I want to be a sniper. I want to go to diving school, jumping school. I want to be instructor here, there. Well, for me, I didn't have a choice.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I was sent to English 101 school right away. It's like the guys were leaving. Hey, we are going to the sniper school. We're going, Draga. I was walking to the center up there. It's like, English 101. Yeah. But you know, it helped me. It did make the big difference and it allowed me actually to be successful in my career.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I think like most of the guys, I was beat up pretty much. Not like beat up, but I remember I didn't even make out of the building. So we checked the quarterdeck. I checked with Master Chief, I think with XO, and I was told to later go to the supply, get my gear. So as soon as I walk out in the building, the big courtyard in the SEAL Team 2, Those are the guys waiting over there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I say, okay, yeah, new FNG. How about the bars? I already knew. It's like you don't argue with these old seals. You just do what they say. I jump on the bars, the pull-ups, sit-ups. Basically, I did the whole PT, the PT test that we do every year. And then they didn't want to, because my uniform, that was the nicest uniform I could have. Chainsaw team too. I just, I pressed it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I just pick every little things, make sure that it's so perfect. So after this forced PT on the concrete, that looked like shit. It was really bad. You know, that's torn up, sweaty, dirty, dust everywhere. And, you know, my nice shoes scuffed. And so they didn't want to walk me through quarter-day because that was frowned upon. So they took me to the back gate.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They woke me up when we started the three miles run and said, okay, now you run. We'll see your time, what you have. So now you see the dude with the torn up uniform, holding his hat to his head, running like crazy on base because it was not in the team, it was in the base outside the SEAL teams. So I'm sure people were thinking, what is crazy guy? What happened to this guy here?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I did that three miles run, came back, and said, okay, go continue with your stuff now. So I went to supply, got my gun, and the guns, got all my weapons, all the gear that I needed. I was assigned the cage in SEAL Team 2, and I moved my stuff there, and that's my career, my adventure with SEAL Team started. So that was my welcome to SEAL Teams. And, you know, very often I was...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
other new guys too, a lot of our new guys, and one day they say, okay, guys, you are invited for Friday kegger. At that time, in SEAL Team 2, all the SEAL teams, I think, Friday ended at noon. So after PT, you just clean your gear, clean yourself, and you can go home, except in SEAL Team 2, you're required to attend kegger. So kegger of beer was waiting in the highway.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So they said, you guys are invited for the kegger today, Friday. So me and other new guys, like, dude. So I think they like us. They invite us to have a party with them, to mingle with these old guys, these old experienced sales. So I was so excited. I think we all were. But as soon as we walk in, we got jumped, taped.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
A little bit kicked and beat up, hang on the chains, and just like butts upside down, pull up to the roof of the highway while these guys were drinking. So they were drinking, laughing, and we just were hanging like butts, all taped up. Once every while, they roll us down on the chains. They had the dragger bag, you know, the bag from the diving rig with the pipe. So...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Here, new guy, stick in your mouth, stick in your mouth. They put the beer in it and just squeeze and so it goes everywhere. All right, drink enough. Let's go back to rest. So that was our first days in the teams. Today, it doesn't happen. At least we're not to that extent because it's frowned upon. But at that time, there was like regular welcome to SEAL teams. And I didn't mind it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I mean, it was okay. I've seen worse.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
First deployment we deployed to, it was when the Bosnia happened. We deployed to Italy, and that was the same time when our pilot got shot down. So my platoon was one of the platoons that were flying over the Adriatic close to the... If we could locate him, we could pick him up. So we were searching for him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The other unit actually was tasked with recovering him, but we were on standby ready to recover him. That was my first deployment. So we were... Normally we deploy to Makahanish in England, in Great Britain, but this deployment was to... They put us in Italy. This is where we stayed throughout the first deployment.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Again, we didn't find the guy that somebody else pulled our pilot out, but I'm proud of participating in these efforts.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, at this time my concern was that I'm serving America. I'm doing good things for America. And the war, yeah, I wish I could get on it. It was kind of too late. So, you know, what I learned later, too, if you chase the war... You will never find it. The war will find you, just like happened to me later. But I was happy where I was.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, my idea was to join the military for the time of war. And I had such a great life that after the war, I would come back and I would resume my life. But then the life that I started in the Navy was so fascinating that I never left. I left 20 years later. So I was not upset, but I wish I met that war. I wish I went to that war, but I missed it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
What's that? Your wife. My wife, yes. So that marriage didn't last long. See, the way, as you know, our schedule is constantly on the road. You're constantly somewhere. The thing is, and what I learned to understand is, as we do not have that routine, because our lives change every month, every two months, you go do something else. Thank you. . I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I.
Shawn Ryan Show
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Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We'll live that. We'll live through it. Those people live through it. They've seen the dangers. They've seen the results of such depravity like communism and socialism. So they do sound warnings. But again, the censorship...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
and right in the middle of it, so when we jumped out of it, we had like maybe five, six second delay, we could see the mountains just going on both sides in free fall, then we opened parachutes. Well, what we didn't know, and we decided to get a shortcut, instead of fearing our ammunition, through the convoy, through the roads from Germany to Switzerland, and say, well, the hell with it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We just loaded up our guns. We put the ammo in the rucksacks, and we jump in. So we did. And there was a bunch of civilians on this lake, walking, doing that. There were trails made up on this lake, on the ice. So we basically jumped right into the civilian population. And they look at a soldier, unload the gun, you pull the, you know, unload the guns, make safe. And they seen it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, it turned out to be that you are not allowed to bring in Switzerland guns and ammo in the same place, especially loaded guns. So I think we're the first troops since Second World War that landed in Switzerland with loaded guns. This was like, all right, I know my platoon actually had to do a lot of explanation to do. But then we go to...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
we are invited to it was the time when the switzerland was accused of stealing a gold from holocaust victims and uh and there was even a lawsuit going filed because of that uh try to recover the gold that supposedly swedes swiss stalled from jewish people and holocaust victim but we were invited to dinner up there we already got over the
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
jumping into the saint moritz into saint moritz with loaded guns uh so we got over we barely got over with that we are invited to dinner now so they they draw they run like a top of the mountain so we go on this little train like a choo-choo thing and go straight up so we go up there we are the best restaurant supposedly in saint moritz and the guy who was guiding us say say hey um
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So this is chef Sansou. He's such a great chef known in the entire world. And he has like five golden spoons here. Chef, can you go run up, bring the spoon? Like I never hold the gold thing, maybe ring, but entire spoon of gold and never hold in my life. So I was like, holy shit, this is heavy, solid. Wow, you know, I can brag about it. I was holding the gold spoon in my hand.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So when the spoon went around everybody until it went to Chris. the strongest guy, he look at this, say like, war chef, so how many, you think, that God of yours, how many Jewish teeth went into that spoon? That was like, I got quiet, The guy woke up, took the spoon, he left. We never seen the guy again.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We just ushered out very quickly out of the restaurant, go down, and we never were allowed to go to the restaurant again.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But you know what? There was legitimate, I guess, legitimate questions. I believe, in my opinion, the gold, the Swiss were stealing that Holocaust victims' gold, and they were benefiting over the Second World War. So the guy had the balls to ask about it. But you can cut it out if you think it's too controversial. But that really happened. So there was like, well, we were all stunned.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But like, well, you know, he's right. It's a legitimate question. Because that basically, that gold debt, in my opinion, was stolen by Switzerland from Holocaust victims.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, actually, there was a lawsuit filed by people trying to recover the gold. I don't know. I think it came to some agreement. But you can Google it up. I read about it just not too long time ago as well. There was a time that I remember it was very common to hear this accusation in 19...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
uh 79 uh 1978 19 i'm sorry 1998 uh time frame so yeah that's wow i had no idea i don't know anything about that that's yeah yeah yeah you know it's just it was asking a question they yeah they he was just asking the question because These people, they suffer so much. The Holocaust, it's hard to imagine for people, but there's millions of people that were murdered just for being who they were.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is something that could only happen in socialist state. Please remember that Germany was socialist state. Adolf Hitler was socialist. So we're talking about national socialism. But you know, whatever flavor of socialism it is, They all have many things in common, as we talked earlier, the censorship, persecution of political opponents, jailing political opponents.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Those are the hallmarks of socialist state.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yes. We've seen a little bit in Bosnia, not so much combat, but we've seen the war scene. We've seen some of the atrocities committed there in Bosnia. We hijacked the Russian tanker and at that time there was like a holy shit, the super mission. Today is really not a big deal, but at the time to go and do VBSS on a Russian tanker was really something. Let's talk about that then.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Oh, that's the Russian tanker? Yeah. That was actually funny. So that was the Jocko's platoon. Jocko and Mr. Queen F. This was Field Team 2?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Oh, yeah. He was my AOIC. I've never met him. His platoon, yeah. Oh, I tell you, it is great guy. He's a great leader. That's what I hear. Yes, yes. I was honored to serve under his command. Very aggressive guy. We love that. So, when we got the permission to take down the tanker, you know, there's always competition between the team guys, right? And there's one squad, another squad.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It was like, oh, yeah, we are better. No, we are better. So, my squad was taking it down because we had like three Russian speakers. I speak Russian. I speak Russian, Polish, and Japanese. You speak Japanese? Yes. Where did you learn Japanese? When I was doing kickboxing and I figured out some of those commands. I said, well, I can understand the commands, but why don't I just learn the Japanese?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And it happened that my mom, she was a teacher. She had a PhD professor from Hokkaido University working with her, doing some study on Polish educational system. So... I connected with him and he was teaching me Japanese. I was very proficient with Japanese.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Actually, I was guiding Japanese students around my city a lot, especially those new who came and did not speak Polish, so I was able to help. I forgot now, it's like 40 years now, but I forgot a lot, not everything. So, I was a Russian speaker, we had Rob, who was a Russian speaker, and our OIC, Mr. Quinn, a great officer, he was the Russian speaker.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, we call it communist. It's commonly known communist. There's a technicality here, and people need to understand what we call communist states behind Iron Curtain. Those are socialist states run mostly by communists. We can call it communist state. I call it that sometimes. What was it like growing up in Poland?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So, we had three Russian speakers in the initial assault. The problem was that they already knew, they were looking at them. Hold on, what was the tanker? A Volgoneft. I think Volgoneft 142. You can Google it up. It's online. As a matter of fact, we're in Balaclavas, but there's a picture of me standing on the bridge on the Volga Neft. What were you taking the tanker down for?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were smuggling oil from Iraq illegally. There was a Russian tanker who smuggled the oil. So we were tasked to take it down, but they knew it already. We were on the Monterey, I think, frigate. Frigate? Frigate. Frigate. And I like the captain. He is like, okay, I was told by command that, We cannot come closer to that ship than maybe a mile.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
If you want to get closer to it, I come close because they told me a mile, but I can measure that mile with my own stick. He just pulled almost next to them. We look at them and say, yeah, there's a bunch of younger guys. There were some women, but the concern was because this is a Russian tanker and the Russian flag and young people who might try to resist. Navy has their own boarding teams.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They could do really easy, but because the concern that maybe a firefight can ensue, we're going to take it down. And another thing, too, is they already knew that we were looking at them, so they were skirting the territorial waters of other countries. Basically, they could just turn left or right, whatever, get into territorial waters. We couldn't get them.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We would have to jump off the ship not to cause the international incidents, foreign forces invading or getting into another country. So we had to be quick. And I remember 2 o'clock in the night, Rob O'Neill came and woke me up, said, dude, let's go, we need to go get dressed. So it's like, I think it was nine of us. It was Jacko, it was one of them, Mr. Fionda, we just got like 18.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And it's not like the other guys were not team, everybody was 18, but they just pick us up on what we can do and stuff. So we flew over it, we fast roped on the tanker. We got this tanker down under, I think, two minutes, if not the minute. And they were already turning into the territorial waters. So we just had to go and learn how to turn it over.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I have a cool picture with me actually at the helm steering that tanker. And we did, we turned it over. And then we searched the ship, of course, make sure there's no weapons left or anything. And this is where the competition between the team guys and the squads come in. So we took down the target.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Now we needed a change, because after we were changing like every six hours or every eight hours, whatever the shift was. So we said, okay, well, let's go bring the other squad. The other guys came in, we packed, we left. The other guys came in and we are going to change them. So we are going there and it's like, dude, you just leave all the guns, all the weapons there.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, the first thing to realize is that in 1960s, when I was born, it was only 15 years from the Second World War. So the entire generation of people who went through the brutality, to Holocaust, to experience war personally, live in that societies in Europe. I'm talking about Poland even more so because Poland lost around 6 million people.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You didn't search the ship very well. And you can hear this, they have a big bag clunking shit in it. So like, well, what did we miss? You know, that's not really good. Doesn't look good. And so we look into the bag and it's like freaking spoons, forks, and button knives. I was like, dude, that's not the weapon. Well, it can be used as a weapon.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Your squad didn't do that well because that could be used as a weapon, even the butter knife. It's like, come on. All right, so just whatever. But the jackal is standing on the bridge. The guy is still clunking that weapon. He takes the binoculars. Oh, cool, guys. You stole the butter knives, but what about those axes hanging on the doors up there? Did you mind to take them? So we go and change.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The first thing, Russians are pissed. They were good people, I think. They were just good people. They were thieves. They were smuggling oil. They are pissed. They were compliant, but when we come back, they are pissed. What's going on? We want our forks and knives and spoons back. I was like, why do you need it? We need to eat. Well, eat with your hands. Can you eat with your hands?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We speak in Russian, they didn't speak English. And they say, well, we would, but we don't have teeth. And just like pull out, it's like, They had no teeth. If you put all the teeth together from the crew, I don't think you would have one full set. So I talked to Jack. I explained to him what happened. He said, let's get him the knives back and their forks and their spools. So we called back.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The boat came in. We called the big bag with their spools. And they were happy like they can be. There were no issues with them whatsoever. How many of them were there? I think maybe like... 15 or 16, something like that. It was not that many. And then I had the argument with the... How did you board the ship? We fast-throwed on it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I know it was planned already because I was the aerobes guy, so I was told to rehearse guys on the very... So we're using the 120-foot rope in Bahrain. I think we were in Bahrain at the time. We're using 120-foot rope just to practice the fast roping right on the mark, and the heroes were practicing it too. So that was already the plan, I think, ahead.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They knew this ship would come out of Iraq with the Iraqi oil, and we'll try to intercept it. So we practiced that, and then it was easy. At 2 o'clock in the morning, rolled in over the ship, drove the ropes, and just slide down it. It was pretty cool at the time, yeah. Right on. It was a pretty cool op.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah. For us, at that time, it was a big deal. We did a small one. We got a couple of DAOs with that. They were smuggling maybe something. We didn't bother with that, but take down the big tanker on the Russian flag, there was something. We did that. We didn't torment the crew, and the crew was not really... They did what they had to do, but they were not cowering or anything.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were just like normal people.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's one-fifth of population during Second World War, murdered by Germans. And that was very... I would say they were dangerous times. I don't have a bad memory. I have more nostalgia, nostalgic feelings to this time when I grew up. But I remember now from the perspective of being American, living here in peaceful society, I remember how...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, well, for me, first thing, I didn't know what the ground was. I was told there was police special forces. And when I checked in Baghdad, I had a brief from my commanders. And they were kind of a little bit standoffish. They said, well, we don't know who these guys are. And they briefed me on what's expected, what we need to do.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But I was thinking the best way to find out is just to go on the up with them and work with them. But I was like, well, we don't know these guys that well. We cannot risk your life because you know how it is. It gets dicey in those missions sometimes, especially the assaults and direct action mission. And I understand that because if something was to happen to me while I'm working with Grom,
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That could be some repercussions to my commanders, too, that they allow these things to happen. But I was able to convince them. I said, no, if we want to be effective, we need to cooperate closely, but I need to be with them, too, as well. So they allowed me for maybe like first three missions. And then it was like all out. So yeah, these guys are great. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, do it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, that's fine. Let's coordinate. Let's do it. We did start doing assaults together. So very often we needed more people. We bring the Grom guys. If Grom needed more people, he used us on assault. And then one night, we set up the perimeter, and Grom was doing assault, I was doing it. And then next day was the vice versa. The Grom was doing perimeter, and we were doing assaults.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So for me, it was pretty great. I was like double dipping on the missions, and I loved it. How were they?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They operate pretty much the same way. We find out that their tactics are good. Their weapons are pretty much the same. Their manufacturer of their M4 was different at the time, and they had some issues in the desert environment with it, but that was just, I think, something minor. It was noticeable to them. We didn't really register it. And they were quick, too.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Their assault techniques were very fast and fast. I would say, I don't say brutal, but these guys are consumed professionals. They don't tolerate any deviation from their SOPs, unless some flexibility is needed to save lives or to accomplish the mission. But otherwise, they are well-trained. And again, like I say, they are fast.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The funny thing is, sometimes when we snatched the bandits, terrorists, we had to get them with us. So... If we got the call and it happened that, hey, we have bad guys moving on the location, you need to bail out, you need to stop what you're doing, get out. So to evacuate, sometimes they just, once they handcuffed the guy, we handcuffed the guys.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So when we walked them down the stairs, ground them, just tossed them through the window, the other guys were waiting, they caught them, throw them on the Humvee, and here we go. So our guys were asking sometimes, why are they so fast? I said, because they don't fuck around.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
When they have a terrorist in their hands, the guy is just flying out of the window into Grom's carrying hands and they put him on the Humvee and they are ready to go. That was a kind of surprise for me too because I didn't expect them to be so well trained and so well coordinated. Their assaults were working just like ours.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
very similar, if not the same tactics, because they learned from the same people. They had more exposure to SAS and German special forces, but that was good because we can actually benefit from their experience as they were benefiting from our experience. It was a mutual, I think, cooperation and work. on accomplishing the mission. So our missions were together.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Same like ours. Very similar. It's not much different, yeah. They are very close with each other. I would say because they are way smaller than us, they are very close. These guys know each other better than they know their family members. Just like us, too, you know? So, yeah, that was a very, not only educational thing, for me, I think for all of us, to work with them.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I realized how sometimes depravity was taking over, the brutality was taking over. People were ready to fight on the moment notice. I mean, here you look somebody in the eyes and say, hey, hello, and say hello. In Poland, they would say, what the fuck are you looking at? That was the times that the typical reaction would be. And so fighting, beating people on the streets was nothing unusual.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It was also very pleasant, very nice to work with them doing the assaults, take down the targets. We really enjoy working together. And it came to the point even that some of our guys were coming in and said, hey Drago, can you help me? Can you talk to Grom guys so I can do assaults? with them and just so I can put my record that I did work with Grom, I did the direct action missions with them.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So yeah, I think they didn't have a problem with them because they trusted us. So we have quite a few guys going on targets with them if they wanted to. And I have quite a few pictures of it too as well from our guys working together with Grom. Did they speak English? At that time, they did not. Today, there's a requirement. You cannot be in the Grom without speaking English.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They are very proficient. I would say some of them speak better English than I do because there's a requirement as they go to regular schools. Besides the training day, everybody had to learn English. Besides in Poland now, English is very popular. Like before, everybody had to know Russian. In my case, we had to learn Russian.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Today, nobody forces people to learn English, but people want to learn English because it's so productive, because it's so empowering.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There were very technical ones, because doing the assault mission with the direct action mission within the foreign unit could be very dangerous. We did rehearse things. I had to learn their way of communication, their tactics.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
but because i speak polish then there was no issue to learn that stuff but the first conversation was just yeah incorporate me into their structures and that was uh yeah that was a little bit intense but they were great guys so they they were very helpful a lot of fun too a lot of life you know because my polish was very rusty at the time
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I still do say things that mean totally different things than I intend to say. But at that time, yeah. They were very helpful. But then we started drinking together. We started having a party together too whenever there was a chance. It was a bit long if we could.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is how we created bonds that persist even today between those team guys who work with Grom or even those who didn't but helped about our missions with Grom. That big friendship continued too. They still come here sometimes to the States. When we go up there, they are always helpful, try to help you and accommodate our guys. So the friendship that we create on the battlefield continues.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But still, we are very close.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So did you have a lot of questions about... I did. Yes, I did. I was asking them about stuff. Well, I did when. I went with my SEAL platoon in 1995 for a brief couple days, three days visit in Gdansk. We didn't work with Grom. We worked with their commandos from Formosa unit. And...
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
For me it was surreal because I left as a felon, a criminal, and then I was greeted as a hero in Poland when I came back. Not maybe as a hero, but I was greeted as a valuable, respectable person. That was very different for me, that first visit. But yeah, that was a very short visit. So the first longer visit was later on when I retired from the Navy.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, for them, the more significant thing was that I was part of the Solidarity Trade Union movement in Poland in the 1980s. For them, the big deal was that I participated in underground structures and I resist communism. For them, it was very fascinating. that I spent time in prison fighting for Polish freedom. So they were very respectful of that.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But otherwise, there was a lot of questions about America. How is the life? How are the people? How is the... How did it happen that I succeeded and became who I am, where some people were not that successful? There were a lot of questions that I had to answer about America, about my life in America, and about my America.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It was frowned upon. Nobody liked brutal, vulgar people, but it was very common to the point that when there was a fight on the street, and usually you can go in town and you can see two, three fights if you go through the town. People learned to just cross the street. They didn't even bother to call police. So it will later play a role in my upbringing when I get a little bit older.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
At that time, I was curious because, again, remember, they were part of the Warsaw Pact. They were opposing us, NATO. So they were trained to fight us. and suddenly here we are working very close. I think we work so close with them. I don't remember in combat working any other forces from different countries working that close with us, with SEALs, as Polish Grom did.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So they earn a lot of respect in our community, but also I believe we earn a lot of respect for them. For them it was curious how the foreigner like me Somebody like me can come to America and join the more secret forces, the tip of the spear that America has. They were a little bit fascinated by this. How is it possible? We know in our unions, the foreigners cannot serve.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You have to be a citizen. You have to have access to secret clearance. You have to have a secret clearance to serve people. in SEAL teams. So that's something that for them was very fascinating. How did I pull it off? I said, dude, this is America. You can be whatever you are able to be. There's nothing holding you back.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And if you can't do this or that, there's no politicians that are saying that you can't. In America, there is nobody there holding you back and saying you can't do that. As long as it is legal, as long as this is something that's beneficial, hopefully it's beneficial for the country, for America and for other people. You are encouraged to succeed and people will help you to succeed.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is the big difference between other countries. This is what I want to I want people to use this book as that vantage point to see how different we are, the America that was built on goodness, on personal freedom, on being strong and independent, and on the faith. that make America so great. And this also rolls into the way people in America treat other people, with compassion, with help.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I experience every single one of this.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were fascinated by this.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, some of them did.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Asking me about, hey, can I be a SEAL? I said, why would you want to be a SEAL? You are the one, the top tier of the special forces. But, you know, somebody was asking, they say, is it possible? Because this is something... What did they say when you asked why? What did they tell you? They say because SEALs have the reputation they have, because we are the best...
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I didn't inquire too much into it, but some of them were like, hey, if I could do it again, I would just do what you just did. I say, well, no, I didn't do it because I did it because I left Poland because I had to leave Poland. But you don't have to leave Poland. There's no reason for you to do it. I joined the military because I had to, my debt of freedom that I had to pay back.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But you don't have to do it. You're living in a free country. Wow. wow so that's what i told myself when i came to america and that's what i follow with today that's that's my pledge to america and american people so let's talk to let's talk about so you got to iraq you start seeing real combat what was your first engagement in iraq i think first we did snatch a couple of the guys
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
in the high riser so we did bridge we get the guys out of the we were so quick that they had no chance to do anything so we got them and this is where I learned that not everything that we learned in the bridging school actually Wars like that.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But 1960s was very... very brutal time for Poland. It was the big transition from the wartime brutality experience society to peaceful, more peaceful society. And it was also hindered by the socialist and communist ideology that the transition was not very smooth in Poland. And also, talking about it, I experienced... the both worlds.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Some of the breaching charges, for example, I don't want to go into details here, were not very effective, or were outright dangerous to, not so much to us, but to people on target. We found out that most of these targets were hitting, they were terrorists, hiding behind women and children.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And they tend to put them next to front door or somewhere close so they can have a route of escape while we stumble over their family members. And breaching the way we used to do could be potentially life-threatening. to people there. We had to change. Matter of fact, we had the army guys in charge of the theater.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I think they call us to scale down with the breaching because they don't want civilians to get hurt. We had to actually change some of the methods we were doing. make it safer for them, but also for us, but also the breaching charges that actually I was instrumental in developing it and make that charge available to all of us. That was widely used later by SEAL teams in Baghdad and in Iraq.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That was pretty good stuff. I remember I was breaching the steel door with the woman. We didn't know at that time yet, but she was maybe like two feet away from the steel door. I bridged the steel door. When inside, she was uninjured. Well, we trampled over her because she got scared and fall down on the floor as we rushed into the apartment, to that house.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We trampled her a little bit, but otherwise she was untouched. If I use any of the other charges that we used to train with, I would kill that woman. So for me, it means a lot, too, that I contribute not only to killing these people, bad guys, but also to saving those lives that were innocent on target.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We became vampires. But also, the way I look at it is like a customer service, like a government customer service. But, you know, my customers, our customers were always wrong and we got to kill them. So that's kind of good things. But the life was we wake up in the maybe 3 o'clock, sometimes 4 o'clock in the afternoon, get ready, rehearse what we need to rehearse, plan for the mission.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
At 2 o'clock in the morning, 3 o'clock in the morning, we staggered the time. We didn't use the same time. We got in the Humvees. We were right to the road to the target or close to the target. We move on it and we... either snatch or kill the bad guys and then move out before they could catch us. The thing is that at that time we didn't have armored vehicles.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So we were exposed to the IEDs very much and also to the enemies. We actually had to remove the doors from our Humvees. So we had a few guys on the back and our seats were facing outwards. We installed the skids on the side of the car outside. So we were sitting facing outside with the guns. We actually looked like a porcupine. Each Humvee was looking like a porcupine.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I have like 17 hours video from my helmet camera from those DAs. So this is something that when I'm looking now, it's just... It's incredible how we could get away with stuff that today, as the battlefield requirements and the tactics change, may not be able to do so. But at that time, sometimes we were just lucky to do it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That was we breached the... We breached the... Those two apartments next to each other. And we breached one. The other guy... The two doors were breached. The one guy was... kind of jumped away. There were the holes pre-made in the opposite wall, the long hallway. When we went in, it just happened. The guy was just standing next to me. Another one was in the Humvee.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We were driving, I think we were driving back to base, and there was a vehicle coming and just like trying to pull next to us, pull next to us, and he just didn't want to stop, didn't want to back out. And that was kind of suspicious at the time. It was, I think, like 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning on the way back.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were living as a privileged kid when my father, who was a high-ranking communist and government official, so up to seven years old, when I was growing up with him being at home, Then when he left, and the poverty, the lifestyle that I experienced for the next decade is nothing unusual in Poland, but for me it was a stark difference.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
No, I'm sorry, we were just driving on another mission because we were hitting multiple targets at the time. So I just had to stop him, and I stopped the guy.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Not really because I did what was right for America. We were all prepared. I never seen in Iraq anything that I was not prepared to see. I never did in Iraq anything I was not prepared to do by U.S. Navy. So I really, not really. That didn't bother me at all. I wish I could kill more of them. Because, like I said earlier, if we Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then I was sent to my father when I was, I believe, 16 years old. Why did your father leave? Well, my father was communist. He was entrenched into their ideology, and my mom going to church with us. was not acceptable to him. There was two things. One was a fear that he can lose his career.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
As a communist and as a member of Polish government at the time, it was frowned upon going to church, especially having family and kids going to church.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because church is very dangerous. The faith is very dangerous for socialist state. Faith gives you roots, a moral basis that are basically immutable. that you have that morals that communists most likely can't change. So this is something that that the first attacks in the communist state was on faith, usually, and children. And this is why they tried to eliminate this.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But I don't know which guy it was, the one that we were after, but I think we were after all of them. So I think we hauled from this target maybe like four guys or five guys. We left, I think, some guys there. They were like probably not important. But anyway, the cow came in high. We need to move out because I think there is a group of guys coming on us.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, we have a limited number of people, so we are not set up to... run and gun for like an hour it's very surgical yeah very surgical so we just grabbed the guys whoever we had and bailed out and left the whole neighborhood the whole neighborhood the whole neighborhood yeah because the guy was very important so they had the
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
he had a security setup inside the house and outside the house in the perimeter. The perimeter was the one that opened up on us and our external security actually was looking it out with them, took care of them at the same time while we were clearing the house and bagging and tagging the bad guys in the house. So yeah, we got them and Like I said, nobody got hurt.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Those Iraqis in Abus, they pretty quickly realized that's not a good idea, so we got them too. That was memorable. That was one of those missions that you do it for so long time that it becomes almost like a normal thing, but it's not the most memorable. mission like that that the most like impactful on me mission that I did so When did you find out?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, that was pretty Pretty dicey, because at that time, when we were leaving the house, there was still shit going on. But as we were leaving, by the time, everything was suppressed. So there was not so much. There was pot shots here and there. You can hear the bullets cracking here and there. But there was no intensity that was at the beginning.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And faith is a dangerous concept for communists and socialists. And you will see that if you read the history of socialist states, the first attack usually happened on people's faith and their families. I think we saw some of that here. Yes, we did. In the last four years, especially, there was something very disturbing for me. And we need to be aware of it. How did your father leave?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It was at the beginning, especially when our fifth is open on the Humvees. Holy shit, that was like whole hell broke loose. This is where we were breaching the door at the same time. So, yeah, that was, yeah, I remember that. I just never pay attention to each particular mission. For me, you ask me- All blends into one. What's that?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
All blends into one, especially if you do it for so long. And another thing, like I say, the thing more impactful for me was the one time we were in the house. clearing the house and I was on the left side of the hallway there was a guy on my right and the other side of the hallway and you can see commotion in the end of the hallways hallway it's like maybe 30 feet maybe.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's a pretty long hallway in the dark. And you can see the commotion. You can see feet coming out. And then coming out, you can see half dresses. And then you see the gun. And then the people come out, and you can hear the guys just like, hey, drop the gun, drop the gun. Those Iraqis, I don't think they understood what we were saying. Besides, he was so stressed out.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
When I look at this, this is like old men. an old woman. He's holding her hand. He's walking with this gun and pissing himself at the same time. He looked like, to me, 80 years old guy. And I can hear that. So I had the guy on the top. I had a guy low on the opposite corner. And the guy who came low later, I could almost hear the click. I just didn't want the guy to get killed.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I just say, I got it, I got it. And I'll step in front of these guys' barrels. I could walk on my side. I just didn't want them to shoot this old man. So I walk up there. I walked this guy. I had my very short M4s. So as I was walking up, to this guy, you know, I am in his heart. I mean, I would just pull like if he would just try to do something because he was holding the gas.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He didn't aim at me. He was just for maybe like a little bit, a little bit down. So I woke up to him. I took this gun away from him. And then, so we took the guy with us. It was one of the guys we needed, we went after. So when we were leaving, his old wife came up to me and said, thank you very much for not killing us.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because I told him to put the gun away, but he thought that this may be some insurgents or some people got to kill him. So thank you for not killing him.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I got a lot of flak from our guys, too. Because, you know, think about it for a second. There was kind of selfish on me, but I just did not want this guy to get killed. Because there was very quickly point out to me on the debrief, what if this guy were just there and there was other guys just waiting in the dark hallway where you can't see it?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We had the flashlight, too, so when we hear the commotion, put the flash, we see the gun, right? So, and that you were right in front of our guns. We wouldn't be able to do anything. You can't do it. I understand. I agree with them. It was not tactically the wrong thing to do. I don't know. You felt it. I just felt it. I just felt it. I don't want this guy to get shot.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
His old wife, they're holding hands each other. This guy is just barely walking. They have still those house shoes, those flip flops on. He's holding this gun and shaking like this. you can see the dark spot on his pajamas. And I think he still had this funny hat with this little funny ball, you know, just like you see in the cartoons. So yeah, that sticks out to me for two reasons.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, he decided it was very dangerous for him, for his career, to stay at home with mom, who was a devoted Catholic. My entire family, even his own mother, they were Catholics. And they didn't approve what he was doing. I'll tell you later when we get to it. But... So he decided that that's not his way of living. He wants to make a career as a politician. He wants to make a career as a communist.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
One is that, yeah, maybe what I did was wrong because it could endanger me and maybe other guys in the house. I just did not want this guy to get shot. And I think, I was afraid he was about to be shot. And, you know, this woman standing by him. Wow. So, yeah, that was very impactful on me. I know I was brave. I was stupid. But I just felt it was the right thing to do.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, if I could get shot, because you know that these guys are not worrying about this stuff. If there was somebody there, there was many times they just shoot their own people just to get to you. So there wouldn't be any hesitation. And, yeah, I agreed with the guys that, yeah, I was on the wrong side.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I know I wouldn't. Maybe when the firefights start, maybe they would have to fire above me, but I trusted these guys.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
True. But I didn't think about it. I just see this lost old grandma, grandpa, walking with the gun, scared shitless. And he didn't drop the gun. The cows were being made. I don't know if he understood English. No, he didn't, actually, because we talked to him later, before we took him. And he could barely speak English, but his wife spoke English, so...
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
By the way, they were so scared they wouldn't be able to utter a word up there. And they were working on our guns.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We already knew who this guy was. I just don't remember. He was one of the big financiers of those IEDs and those terror groups in Baghdad. So he knew a lot. So in the house, we didn't know who is who at the time. So we tried to bag everybody and bring in whoever we had there. He was identified later. But with the names, I knew their names because we had to learn for the mission.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So you can call... It was just like normal for me, but now, 20 years later, there was so many of these Mohammeds that I don't remember.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Not really. I know what it says, but I don't dwell on it. It says nice. I'm sure nice. I read it. It's just like... I'm sure somebody else could say it with much better... eloquent in much better eloquent way. I'm still better with bullets than words. So for me to come and speak about anything is pretty scary. I think one of the bravest thing I have done being just be able to go and
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
face the camera and microphones and speak, but I'm better with bullets. Maybe somebody else can tell the story better, but it is what it is. We are human beings. We are not robots. We are just the people.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I went there three times, back to back. So I spent the year first on the first deployment. Came back, there was another SEAL team coming out, and they were slated to work with Grom as well. So I asked them if they can just take me for, I just wanted to go back. And if they can take me with them, they say, yeah, sure, absolutely.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And when I was seven years old, he decided to leave, and he just took off leaving us, me and my two siblings. So it was three of us and my mom.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So that's supposed to be like two weeks, just the fam, help them settle down with Grom. But then like four months later, it's like my team is calling and say, hey, Drago, you need to come back because we are about to deploy after these guys. There was the time when the entire SEAL team was deploying. So they say, yeah, you can...
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You need to come back, second bag, and then one bag with my platoon again. The missions changed, the tactics changed at the time, so we were tasked with protecting Iraqi politicians. My platoon had one of those big weeks, Iraqi, that we were protecting those PSD mission mostly.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Although, wherever I could, I would just try to get away from babysitting the old grown man, old grown fat man, and try to get on the DA mission. I was still able to do that. Some people accuse me, even now, that I was just doing my own DA missions on my own. It was not really that much on my own, but I was trying to get as much into those missions as possible.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I paid the price for it too with being a breacher, the injuries that we sustained that we didn't know at the time of how dangerous it can be. That was when on the first deployment, I think I start feeling first symptoms, first things. But like I say, I was afraid to say anything because I didn't want to be pulled out of the missions. What were the symptoms? What were you feeling?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
First was I was not able to read. So what I find out that I was trying to read, but I couldn't concentrate on the text. Seems like that thing was jumping. And so I figured out that maybe this is because the lightning, because we were living in the tents. Outside was very hot and bright. So most of our activities during that, when we sleep or eat, was in the tents or inside.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yes, yes, he did. And as a communist, he died as a communist in 2021 when I went to visit. His views did not change. He would be ready to murder people on the spot if they were opposed to socialism and communism. Wow. But I will talk about it. We'll get to it. His view was very extreme when you get to know him. But when you didn't know him, you would think there's a great older man.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I said, well, maybe I just... My vision is bad because the dark environment. But then I noticed that I cannot read even if I can follow the letters because I forget. If I read the paragraph, I forget what it was paragraph about by the time I finished it. That was kind of weird. Sometimes it took me an hour to get to the page. So that was odd. But I didn't make much of it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah. We were sometimes five feet, six feet from the breaching charge. Besides me as a breacher, I learned very quick in Iraq to calculate the charge and stand of distance for my team, for my guys. by the manual, by the book, but I also did another calculation just for me. If I can't get in the cover, what's the minimum there is that I can still breach the door without injuring myself?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It happened to me Not once, but there was one very dramatic time where we actually were assaulting the target. We got the intel photo, intel pictures. We look at it from our best ability. This is what we make. We're going to assault these doors. This is how it's going to go. This is where we stag our guys. As a breacher, I had to brief it before the mission to our guys.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We had a secondary entry point. We had all that stuff pretty much ready to go. And the picture shows this empty space, maybe like that wide between the concrete wall and the building itself. And then there's a corner here where they just walk straight to the door. So I say, well, I'm going to stack the guys right there. The way I breathe, I'm going to go to the door and blast the door, go inside.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's just a standard mission. We did tens, hundreds of them. And dead one time. We didn't know that from the pictures, but that space was filled with the rebels. There was just enough space to stack the guys, and there was no space for me. So we go. I already kind of see something is not right here. So I go with the security to the door, you know, place the church. We're going back.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The guys go in, but there's no place to me. So I climb the wall. It's maybe like six, seven feet tall. We found a way later to do something similar, I can talk about it, but that point was infeasible. If we linger, the longer we linger, the bigger chance that they will be alert and somebody gets killed. It's no big deal. I knew the distance was still safe for me.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I got on my knees, I put the gun in front of my face, I cooled up and blasted the charge. It stung me a little bit. I described it in the book, but it's not maybe as dramatic as it is in the book. I did have my nose a little bit bleed, my ear did, but it was not like I was gushing blood or anything. It was just I was a little bit stunned, but not enough not to participate in the assault.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I still catch up on the train, on the back of the train, and we did assault. We took the target down. We got the guy. But these things are repeating over and over and over. When you stay in close proximity to the bridge, it will affect you eventually. And at that time, there was very little known about this.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's somebody you would like to have for the neighbor. Very well spoken, very... commanding Polish language extremely well because that was his major in university. So very nice man until you start probing his views and his internal thinking. That became very disturbing. That's somebody you would not want to have as a neighbor.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Matter of fact, eventually I became a SEAL instructor in Baths, but I still had this issue with reading, with sleeping. So I talked to Howard, what do you do? You just go to your... My family at that time was seals. I didn't have another family. So we said, hey, what happened? I have this. I wake up every two o'clock in the morning and stuff. So we're like, well, maybe we're drinking too much.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
No, I was not drinking. And this happens every day. Two o'clock in the morning, I'm wide awake. Or maybe this. So finally we agreed there was a ghost. The apartment was haunted. And there's a ghost up there. And the ghost is waking me up. So that was the conclusion. So then I realized that, shit, I'm scared of ghosts.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I need to find a different apartment because I don't want to be scared sleeping at night that some ghost comes here to scare the hell out of me. So I didn't find an apartment. So finally I resigned myself to living with the ghost, which eventually turned out to be a TBI, the traumatic brain injury that caused me to react that way. That tells you how little we knew at the time.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's not the case today. We know we are acutely aware the danger and the damage that can those explosions cause. But at the time, it was not that. The funny thing is that I think the NSW came out to conclusion the biggest damage occurs during the breaching course because people are exposed to those breaching charges constantly day in, day out.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, that is just a baby walk next to what we did in Iraq, where you just have these things going multiple times every night. And it's not just for like two weeks, three weeks or for the month. You spend a year doing it, eventually you start feeling it. So that's what happened to me. I don't complain. I would do it again if I had to do it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But at least now we know what it is and we can actually do something about it. and not the only one who suffer from this. We talk to any breacher. I think they even come with the term breacher brain right now. That's something like this. That's what they call it. Again, I don't complain. This is not a complaint. It's just the fact.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Maybe somebody who suffers can recognize the symptoms and things and get himself help. That's what I'm saying.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yes. Well, ahead of Slater, my orders were to Bridging School to be an instructor, but I already knew that something was wrong with me. Even shooting guns next to my head caused the headache for a day. So I asked if I could change my orders, go somewhere where I'm not exposed, and the break from that. from the noise, from explosions, from the shockwaves. They said, why don't you try BUDS?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I said, sure. But then the problem was I already had my orders cut. I had to actually call. I went behind the back a little bit. The chief, one of the chiefs, he passed away today. He was in Millington. He became the detailer in Millington. So I call him and say, look, this is what happened to me. This is what I want to do. This is what I want to change. And I need your help.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So within like a month, I get the change of orders. And he called me and said, dude, I got you. You're going to BATS. So that's how I end up in SEAL training.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It was relaxing. It was fun, too. I missed the combat. I missed the engagements in Iraq that you don't have it here. What helped me get through this assignment was understanding that I might be saving lives. I might be making these people as good as possible. When they go to combat, they will be extremely effective. They will be mentally prepared.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Those who could not achieve that type of readiness, they will be removed from the serial training. I was pretty harsh, but I was a very fair instructor from what I was told by fellow students, who today are very successful SEALs. Some of them already retired from SEAL teams, but I have a fond memory of the young guys going through BATS.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Matter of fact, it's very, I tell you, this is very humbling experience because the way when we go through BATS, it's most of, at least for me, it was a blur. You just go do, every day you do something, you just try to survive a day, just to the next day, from meal to meal, from hour to hour. And it just goes quick.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's like almost you walk in the room, you get a kick in the balls a few times, then kick in the ass out of the door and you're done. Well, now you are the one who is actually doing this to these kids, who is demanding from these kids that sacrifice, that pain. And it is very, again, very humbling because you see these young kids And they don't quit.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They just keep going, no matter what you throw at them. Some of them falter, some of them quit, some of them get injured and being removed. Most of the people I notice in BATS, they don't resign. They don't quit. They get injured, they get removed from the training. But seeing these guys, and you could not make them quit, no matter what. Some of them, it makes you think that, yeah, America is safe.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
When did you, what year did you retire? I retired in 2011. So by this time I met my wife. How did you meet her? Well, that was a story to itself. Because, so I was in Baths. I didn't have a family at the time. And finally I came to realize, since like a year and a half I'm retiring, I have no family. So I have to find me a wife.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So it was not that easy because like, you know, with my English, my, my, And the way I was, I guess I was not a very attractive guy, so I asked for my friends, my teammates, and they said, okay, Drago, the best way to do it is go online, you find yourself a chick, and if you like her, you're going to marry her. I said, sounds good. So let's do it. So... I had incidents.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I had those misfires, what I would say. There was a girl I was courting for a long time and eventually agreed to meet. We scheduled and tried to meet first time in the coffee shop, safe for her place. It was a lunchtime. Good God, it was a place where there was a bunch of executive chicks were coming in. Very super nice place, bunch of offices around.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's hard to guess, but this is my understanding of it. So he grew up in peasant family, very poor. And what he was offered by the communist state is, hey, we make you somebody, we make you somebody big, and you can progress with us, but you need to discard the faith, you need to discard all the attachments that are, they call it superstition.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I didn't think much of it, but those girls who I look at the picture was so beautiful. I said, I'm going to go and pretend I'm smarter than I am, so I took the book. I couldn't still read it, but I just pretended I was reading, so I look smart. And then she's coming. And so every girl, those girls are coming. I said, this is Anne, so I just try to get myself bigger, look better.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then there's none of these girls. So I find like, well, it's almost like 10 minutes late. Maybe she won't show up. And then I see the girl walking, but she had to like walk sideways through the door. So I said, that's not, that's not, cannot be her. So I just like sitting up there and just look at the book that I brought to make myself look smarter.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And all these nice good looking chicks are lined up next to my table. And she's coming and coming. I see the big shadow comes up. It's like, are you Thomas? Drago was like, yeah, how do you know me? I was like, who are you? I'm Wendy, whatever the name was. We talk about it. I was like, damn. And all these chicks, I can see already the smirk on their face.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's like, dude, what you got yourself into it? And then, so I said, well, Wendy, just have a seat, sit down. And I'm thinking like, fuck, I mean, how do I make it look like a business meeting, so these chicks are not laughing at me. And so I say, so Wendy, tell me, so talking about your company, how many employees do you have? You know, how many people do you manage?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
She says, look at me like an idiot, it's like, We're supposed to have a date, not talk about my job. And so this guy was just laughing out loud. It was like, dude, you just... So I'm like, okay. All right, date, okay, let's make it a date. And so we talked for a while, and I just wanted to end this thing. It was so humiliating.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then she was so loud, you know, and she was like, oh, it's so beautiful. I was like, damn. Just go. So we go back. I said, could you give me a ride? I have a car on the other side of the mall. It was in San Diego. I was like, yeah, okay. I'll give you a ride. So we go to my Jeep. My Jeep is not even the lift. It's just like bigger tires at the time. And she cannot get into the Jeep.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
She's like trying to push herself back, but the doors are too narrow for her. She tries to pull the leg with her hands, put in the Jeep, and hopefully I can push her in it, but that didn't work. She almost fell down. And I was like, I'm getting like already, like what the hell? I got myself into it. And then she said, well, I just walk. I say, yeah, thank you. You just go. And she left.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
She called me and, hey, it was a great date. You know, you want to meet again? Let's have a date again. I was like, listen, Wendy, first of all, you misrepresent yourself. We could be friends if we didn't lie.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, I don't mind befriend with you if you are honest, but you send me all these pictures of some other chicks pretending that this is you, and then you show up and look like a jab at the head, and that's not you who the... And I don't want to be rude to her, but I had to tell her I'm not interested in any dates with her. So I told her that.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then, you know, as instructors in pool camp, you remember, you spend like almost all day in the water testing students. So we have students who are broke dicks, the guys who have some injuries, so they cater to us. So if you have a phone call, they say, Instructor Drago, you have a phone call here, give me the phone.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So you're still in the pool, you eat in the pool, it's like all day for these two days of pool comp. And one of the guys say, Instructor Drago, you have a call, a message here. I say, okay, bring me the phone. So he brings the phone, I can see his face like, by this time I was dating Rachel already. So I will come back to it how we met. So I'm looking, I see the tits. So I was like, what the hell?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So you need to be free man, they call it free man, so to accept socialism and communist ideology. And they were like helping him along the way. He was very smart. He was doing very well at school and eventually they grabbed hold of him and he, like many other Poles, gave in. He gave up his faith, his moral views and accepted so-called relative morality.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I call Rachel, I say, Rachel, don't send your naked breasts here. The students are looking every time they pick the phone. They see this. it's like, whose tits are you having, receiving the messages from? Then I look and say, oh shit, that's not the Rachel, that's, that was the, so that was that fat chick, telling me about the, trying to send me the message, so I, I,
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Rachel said, call her, delete her, they told her not to call you again. So I called her and said, don't call me anymore. And don't send those naked pictures of you. I said, oh yeah, I'm so sorry, my boyfriend is right above your name and I just by accident sent you my naked picture. I was like, yeah, right on, you know, just stop lying, just don't call me anymore.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So, you know, I had a problem like this. So then when I met Rachel online, so I see this chick, I was like, holy shit. I'm in love with that one. I try to wink to her, nothing. Wink to her again, nothing. I talk to the guys, who do I talk to? I talk to my family, team guys, sales. What do I do? How can I get her interested in me? One of the guys look at the profiles.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
First thing, get yourself some few years off. Make yourself maybe eight years younger. I said, okay, eight years younger. Then write her some nice letter. Well, I really can't. Can you help me? So this is how it started. So then I had the team guys writing the love letters for me so I can send it to her. She was writing back to me, and actually she liked the letters. So we continued this way.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
With my English, I am proficient with it. I'm proficient in combat, but I'm not really proficient in those lovey-dovey things that, you know, like... Romance. Yeah, romancing, especially romancing online. So that's something that I had. I talked to my fellow teammates. And so she wrote me a letter, whoever I could find, said, hey, write me the response, write me some nice love letter.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I typed very quick something in and sent it back. And it continued. It worked. So then eventually the guys got tired. So Drago, we don't use this. so many of these love letters. Now you have, you can make any letter out of it, just copy and paste. So I say, okay, I'll try. I was nervous. So I did that. And her profile disappeared from those American singles website. I remember still.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So her profile disappeared. It's like, oh damn, I was sorry. I was, you know, writing the emails. Well, team guys were writing the emails I was reading her emails so it was kind of like I was falling in love and then her profile disappeared so I was like call one of the guys and say hey you know help me out with this this is the email I sent to her and
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I think maybe she doesn't want to communicate with me anymore. She just look at this like, yeah, dude, that's fucked up. I think this is why. So I was mopping for a few days and I was still checking online. She showed up again. And I was like, shit, I just need to talk to her. I need to tell her maybe that letter that I wrote because of my English. So she needs to just, I need to talk to her.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So eventually... I coerced her to call me, and she called me on the private lines. She answered, so we talked for a while, and I said, hey, wait a minute. So let me get it straight. You are not on drugs. You're not drunk when you write to me. You just don't speak English. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it, you know, that's it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So we started talking on the phone, and that's eventually I asked her to come and visit me in San Diego. She did come, and this is where I find out. Where was she? Where was she? She was living in Ohio, in Dayton, where I was living. So I flew her to San Diego.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And it was a funny story, actually, because after the bad experience with these chicks that they were not who they tell me they are, I asked a team guy, I said, hey, can you go with me if this is another Jabba the Hutt, if this is another person that really lied to me? I need you to bail me out. I will run and you tell her that I was called for just some combat mission in Iraq, whatever.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Just tell her something." So we both are waiting and here she is going down the escalator. He recognized her first. He said, dude, it's that chick. I said, yeah. She just rubbed the cradle. Dude, she's decades younger than you are. How did you pull it off? I said, well, you wrote the love letters and I lie about my age at work. Here we go. I said, okay, Drago, you got it. You're on your own.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
She's hot. And he just left. And I remember I was so nervous. Because, you know, I had all this with my emails. When I just wrote the email, it was really like not up to speed, up to her standards. Now I'm supposed to go and talk to her in person. I was very nervous. So when she came out, I was like to be like super gentleman. I was just like very stiff and saying, hi, Rachel, I am Drago.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And she just looked at me and said, yeah, cool, but I didn't fly 2,000 miles to shake your hand, give me a hug. I was like, holy shit. So I gave her the big Drago hug. And then I remember, so we started talking, but she stepped back and said, wait a minute, I think I know you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's another term that is not very well, not very popular here and not very well understood yet. So he subscribed to so-called relative morality and that's where things start changing. That's where people, that way he become the person he was later in his life. What was it like for you when he left? So there was dramatic change right away. In the first place... What did he say to you?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's like, you know, for team guys to meet the girl who you don't recognize and she says she knows you, the first thing through my mind was, what did I do to her?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
when but they say yeah you know what when you were in the haps training you are the new guy in your platoon with your group of guys you were in the haps training and this is where I met you first time I remember you for your accent and belligerence I say belligerence yeah because you know like in the haps training You know what it is, right?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's the chamber ride when they ride you to like 20,000 feet, the air pressure. You can recognize if If you have a problem, let's say if your equipment malfunctions in the real life, in the airplane, you can recognize, because you learn in the chamber what your symptoms are, how you will react. Then you have a few seconds actually to remedy the situation or step away from the ramp in the airplane.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We're sitting there and they took us up. Rachel was in the chamber actually. When they asked who wants to be the volunteer to demonstrate the hypoxia, I mean the lack of oxygen. I was the new guy, so that guy right there. I was like, okay. They told me they drove us up to 25,000 feet. I took my mask, and then I had to do those toys, like throw the square peg into square in the ball, square things.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They signed my name and stuff. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He didn't say nothing. He just didn't show up. Wow. So, yeah, we didn't know where he was from. Mama tried to hide it from us. And at that time in Poland, there was also stigma for people who were divorced. especially for the kids. They had a special name for divorcees. So I remember parents saying, hi, these kids are divorcees. I want to play with them. The parents got divorced.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
plays a big role in our life. And I think this is also another reason why my marriage is so successful. There's two things, actually. The faith that we both share and her emotional intelligence. That's something that... How to say it right away? She knows, like, if I am angry or there's some emotions online, she can disarm me. So this is something that... It's great. I love the life.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
by accident, we were playing with fire, baking something in the fire, in the middle of the wheat field, so we burned the entire wheat field. So of course the neighbor comes in, because I was living on the outskirts of a little town, Gironagura, that was established in 1200, year 1200. So it was a beautiful town.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I think we together work as a team greatly. I credit the Abogain treatment in big part for what happened there. I think it's important that we pursue it because As a veteran, I know that different people react to different things. The different things that help me may not help you or may not help somebody else. This is why we cannot restrict people to only one thing.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
cookie-cutter treatment, if you have, let's say, TBI or PTSD or whatever, that this is what we're going to do to you. It might turn out an eyewitness that things didn't work for some guys, but they found relief and help doing different things. So the Abogain, I think, is important that we continue with it and try to allow or bring it
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
allow people to get this treatment in the United States so they don't have to travel to Mexico like I did or to other places.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Nice. We need that, I think, because it is very powerful. I was very skeptical initially from a friend of mine, another team guy called me, said, Drago... I need to tell you something. And the guy is just as a knuckle dragger as somebody can be. You don't want to fight this guy. This guy is just a badass dude. He calls me and say, Drago, And to tell you, I met Jesus. I was like, what?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I talked to Jesus, man. I was like, Rachel, get Navy SEALs fund ready. I think we have another going out of rails. I think that we have a guy and he will need help. And then I talked to him and that changed my life too. So he... We talked for quite some time and he explained to me what it was. I didn't know anything about Abogaine at the time or Ayahuasca.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Eventually, another friend of mine rest in peace, Dan Cirillo, he called me and said, how did he say it? He said, Drago, you need to go. If you don't go, I'm going to kidnap you. You need to go to this treatment.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
you are coming with me so he took his time from his work from his family just to help me get to Mexico and get this treatment so yeah I owe him a lot too man he was a good friend of mine hmm he was a good friend of mine yes he was for a while there he was my only friend here and then and then he died of a heart attack on the range very young with his son
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I burned the wheat field, so when a neighbor came to complain about it, my father just chased him out and said, look, you cause problems. you'll have a secret police coming and talking to you." Actually, they did send the goons from the secret police to explain to this guy that we are pretty much untouchable, so just leave it and plow the field again. This is how bad it was.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He was doing things for other people when he died.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That was a warrior, a true warrior. Yeah, yeah.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, me too. I miss him too. There's many guys, you know. There's something that I think we'll ask for. You know, it's almost like a survival guilt. You know, like, why I survive? Why me, not him? Why he got... Why he was killed, not me. We ask those questions that I think we always ask until we die, you know, but it's the faith, you know, and that's how the life goes.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He helped many guys.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yes. But this is about the teams, you know, what people don't understand. And I watch some of the programs, some podcasts, too, with fellow team guys. And this always ends up pretty heavy, you know. So people tend to forget that... We are normal people. We just do our job sometimes. That's the way I look at ourselves. We are not sheepdogs. There's other people capable of doing it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We are wolves and we hunt wolves. Sometimes nations need monsters to fight other monsters because this is the only way we can fight. those monsters. So I think sometimes we have to become those monsters to protect our society, right? So that's the way I look at it. And yeah, that's sometimes... That's life. And we all knew what we are getting into getting in SEAL teams.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And we all were ready to do what needs to be done to protect our citizens, to protect America. And I'm proud of it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
so thank you so much but i'm just a product of seal teams i always wanted to be like you guys i wanted us to keep up with you guys so i'm nothing special i'm not different than you i'm not different than anybody else so i'm just one of the com the community members i'm one of the seals former retired seals now but we are all the same we are from the same cloth and we did the same job so it was honored to be here i thank you for the invitation but it gave me also the opportunity to
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
maybe make people pause and look at America from different vantage point. Look at how great America is and is worth protecting.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But I didn't know anything about it. It was just my father was trying to, I guess, protect his family the way it is happening in socialist totalitarian states. You know, if you don't agree with me, I have more power. If you don't agree with me, I will send the police on you and you get either arrested, killed, or you disappear. So there was nothing uncommon. Interesting.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, I was sentenced to three years of prison time. And what happened at that time, there was nothing unusual because Those so-called activist judges, they worked for the party. They didn't openly work for the party, but they did what the political party told them to do. They were just doing their bidding in the society. So I was not the only one.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There was like thousands of people sentenced by these activists, judges to prison time. Some of them were sentenced to death, especially people coming back from the Second World War who experienced the Western freedom, who experienced the Western way of life. The communists in Poland, like my father, they did not want these people there.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So from the very beginning, they were finding cases to murder them, to kill them, to put them in prison. For example, the top scoring ace of Polish Air Force fighting in Battle of Britain, he was arrested very quickly after he returned to Poland and sentenced to death. His death sentence was committed to life in prison.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Then I think he was let go after 10 years in prison time, of prison time or 15 years in prison. I don't remember how many years, but he spent a few years in prison and on the death row, too. He was lucky because many of those people were executed, and very often just outside the prison cell with the shot in the back of his neck. So that's what happened.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And so these activist judges, you would never think You would never think that something would ever happen to them. They were the masters of life and death for so many Poles. But in 2024, I got a call to, if I could come to Warsaw and testify in the case, of one of such judges. It happened to be the same judge who sentenced also me to prison time. Yes, I did absolutely.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Me and Rachel flew to Warsaw. The judge was charged with communist crimes, crimes against humanity, crimes against Polish nation. and judicial terror, judicial terrorism. That's what they did, those activist judges.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So it was surreal, but also like bittersweet, because when I walk in with my wife in this courtroom, you know, I had my American flag, and it was like, you can't do anything to me anymore. But it's not. Poland is different now. Poland is very... They're law-abiding citizens. They go by the law, but they want to protect themselves from totalitarian systems like communism, socialism, Nazism.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The Poles don't want it. They experience it already. There is actually a constitution, a Polish constitution, I believe, I forgot which point it is, that prohibits promotion of totalitarian ideologies in Poland. You can't do it. So, yeah, so I went to Warsaw and I testify against this judge. Although, you know, this guy, I don't know what age he is now, maybe like 80 years old.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And it was 40 years ago. So I would never, it would never cross my mind that judge who was sentencing me to prison time, he will be prosecuted for judicial terror and he will be, I will be testifying in his case. Also, I learned that I was tortured, the beatings in prison, beatings from the police. I never considered it torture. I thought it just normal. This is how things work.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But then it changed when he left. So I had no protection. If we did something wrong, we should get punished for it. And my mom would never agree with it. My mom was always... And those were the biggest fights between my mom, who was a devout Catholic, and my father, who was totally opposed to any type of faith. He only believed in the party and communist ideology. That was his god.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You get caught, they will be beating you up, but now when testifying, that was classified actually as a torture. That's something else that I... down on me when I went a year ago to Warsaw. I asked also, I testified in the court. My wife was there too, Rachel, and she was very proud of me. We both had the American flags, sitting in this courtroom. I asked for not putting this guy in prison.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I asked the judge to, you know, no matter what they're going to do, there is no need to put 80 years men present. He asked me if I have some against this guy still, if I have some feelings and some anger against this guy. I say no. 40 years in America changed me. I am a different person than I used to be when I came to America. Forgiving, I think I learned too in America.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
can't forgive somebody, you leave that head or you leave that part and become part of your life, destroying your life. We just, you know, like following the God, Jesus' teachings, you know, you need to forget. You may disagree with the sinner. But you don't condemn the sinner, you condemn the sin.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And that's what I ask, you know, condemn what he did, but as a human being, you know, in his age, really, there is no, I think there will be, there is no, I forgave him, so... there's no need to put him in prison. So I don't know what happened, and I didn't follow up on it. I'm just, like, for me, it's just, like, I learned how to forgive, and that's America changed me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
A lot of people need to learn how to forgive. We know if you don't, that's... Things goes with you, wherever you go. You don't leave as a free good man, good man being free. You have this thing on your shoulder. So if we can learn how to forget, how to forgive, not forget, but how to forgive, I think we are better people. America made me a better person.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, you also asked me about what I feel when I kill the guy. Oh, by the way, I was thinking about it too. I get so mixed up. The first guy that I killed was the guy in the car who was following us. He just pulled from behind the corner. I was in the last car. It was so fast. Then as he was coming at the, you know, like car 50, I think I was in the 50. So I was in the last car.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He pulled out next to me. He was coming to our right. And I see with the flashlight, I mean, with the lights that we have, but also the street lights, there's a guy on the right sitting with the AK. So it was like surreal. I was like, what is he thinking? I mean, we can just obliterate these guys. But anyway, so he started pulling in.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
My concern was that if this is IED, VB IED, we can all get hurt. I didn't think much. It was almost so close. I just pulled the pistol. I killed the guy on the right seat with a gun, and I shot the driver. They went to hit the light pole, the kind of funny things. I didn't think much of it. I said, okay, guy's gone.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I got a call from the front, from the OIC, saying, hey, do I hear some shots being fired? What's going on, guys? Everything is okay? I said, yeah, I just stopped the guy. He was just coming. He was coming on us. So I stopped the car. He said, okay, no problem. No question asked. Because we were actually driving, I think, from, no, we were driving to the mission. So, yeah, we didn't want any...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So there was always fights. And I remember the time, it was before my sister was born. So I had to be at least three years, maybe around four years old. But I vividly remember that my grandmother from my maternal side came to visit us. And of course, she was even more devout. She was like... I would say total fanatic and total zealot. But this is how they survived the Second World War.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
say, oh, yeah, let's see what happened to this guy. There's no time for it. You just take care of the business and move on. So yeah, but the thing is what you asked me earlier, too. I was thinking about it, about the feelings of it. I was never a feel-it-touchy guy. For me, there was no... I say I didn't feel anything. I didn't because I was thinking about it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I see myself more as a technical person. For me, the dwelling on it was more like, what could I do better? How could I kill him better, more efficient way? Not like, oh my God, he's dead now. My priority was always life of American citizens, the well-being of America. Any foreign entity has no value to me, has no value. I understand. It comes second.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, like I'm not so eloquent, but yeah, the American life will come before any foreign life. Number one priority. It's number one priority. America and American citizens.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, there's kind of difficult Again, like I say we're talking about these often, and people watch all these movies, they stop seeing us as human beings. They see us more like just part of that machine that if you're just broken, something happens. You just bring another one. Some people almost expect you to be hurt and replaced with somebody else.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That's something that maybe I don't like people to see. I don't wear the Trident. I mentioned about it earlier. I wear American flag because American flag encompasses everything. the Trident, and everything that is good. And I want, when people see me, to think about me as American, not the Navy SEALs. I'm no longer Navy SEAL now, of course. You know, I lived that life for 20 years. I loved it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But now I am just American. There's no hyphen in front of this, American. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is what helped my grandmother and her children, my mom, survive the Second World War. So when she came in, she chased all of us to church. We are going to church Sunday. So my father, I still remember, standing in front of the door with hand outstretched,
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
and say, no, kids not going to church, and you are not going to church, because if somebody sees you or kids, I'm going to lose my career, I'm going to lose my job. You aren't going to church. So my grandmother went outside. We were living on the first floor. My mom passed me a football through the window. So I thought it was fine. I said, well, let's play. And then my mom left.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We did went to church. My father eventually learned to tolerate it, but he was always on the edge, was always nervous, always wanted us to stop going to church. He called the religion a superstition. Also, he used a technique that I see being applied here very often. Basically, he was trying to find some articles, some quasi-scientific articles, like, okay, we just find out new things about Jesus.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Let's see if Jesus was real. I can pick your curiosity, especially if you start reading and it's like totally end of faith article or book. So my father was bringing it up and just tried to either shove it for us to read or try to read it to us, which against protests of my mother. But this is the technique they used to. Wow. To actually remove people from faith and change their beliefs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
How many, so you had two siblings? Two siblings, my younger brother and younger sister. My sister still lives in Poland. Actually, I visited her not too long time ago when I went to as I was testifying we're going to come back to it in the criminal case in Poland against a judge who actually sentenced me to prison time
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
My brother lives here. He's here in the States. He owns his business. He owns his great business. He's doing well. And he's doing good. I don't really have much contact with him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
No, no. I'm closer with you guys, with people like you, with fellow teammates. They are my brothers as a person living in the States.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yes, we had a lot of fun. The nice thing about it at that time, we did not have the direct strict supervision of our parents. Kids used to play. I was, what, six years old, and I was going to kindergarten by myself. I was working around the school, going over the... the major street. Actually, one of my little friends was killed on that street by the motorcycle. But we were doing ourselves.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So we had like house shoes in one hand, holding hands with my brother, and just walking to the kindergarten. That was maybe like a quarter mile. And through the woods, not through the woods, but through the different small streets. Mom taught us how to cross the street. You look left, you look right. If nothing happened, you just go fairly fast through the street, but don't run.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you very much. It's great to hear it. I appreciate your kind words. I'm just a regular person. I'm American, so I want to be like you guys, and that's what drives me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then, six years old, play. As long as we were back at home before dark, we were fine. So we were roaming the city. We were just sometimes, we found ourselves like a mile, two miles away from the home, God knows where, running some streets and just exploring. So that was called playing with fire. We liked to bake things in fire, potatoes and stuff.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is how I burned the wheat field by accident. But at that time, his father was still with us. After he left, I wouldn't get away with it. I have a fond memory. I was poor, but I didn't know they were poor. I thought they were just normal. This is how everybody lived. I didn't see at that time.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They noticed the richer kids or kids of Communist Party members that I noticed later in the elementary school. How did your family make money after your father left? My mom was a teacher, so she had a little salary. It was not much, and it was enough to buy food if she was quick enough in the morning to stay in line to buy bread.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
If she was a little bit late, by the time she made it to the end of the line, there was no bread, so we didn't eat. But again, it was really not a big deal. It was just like, well, we don't have bread today. Okay, do we have bread from yesterday or something? No, we don't. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I'm one. I'm American, yes.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So actually, I woke up to him. I very carefully lift his upper lip and just drove his two front teeth in, just pulled them out.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
How old were you? I was 24 years old. So I was leaving Poland. I left prison when I was 23 years old. And then I came to U.S. Embassy. I asked for help. And I was given status of political refugee and flown to the United States when I started my life. The funny thing is... I came to America not knowing English, having no money. I had a 10 Phoenix German coin in my pocket and bag of clothes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So what I did, I went find like a rebar. Maybe there's that big rebar. And I start carrying it with me. I was carrying it in my book case. When they, on the way back, I could expect they would harass me. They would try to kick my ass. So I had this thing with me. In my briefcase and I knew they are the walking this group of kids is walking behind me So I walk into in Poland those buildings.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There was like fairly new buildings at the time You have a stairways you walk into the stairways you go up and then you walk to your apartments So I just walk in the stairways. I just wait with this thing in it as soon as first kid walked in I hope he's alive today. But anyway, so that was it and so I knocked him out. Yeah, the blood was everywhere. I remember that.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And then the other kids ran away. And the next day, it repeats itself. The guy was okay, I guess, because he showed up with the head band-aid. So same thing happens again. So I just walk into the... I see these kids walking and they're making those warrior grunts. So I walk into the stairways, just wait until they walk in. I got two of them this time. So they let me along.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
After that, they decide, well, we're going to find another victim. But what it taught me is that violence works. Violence always works. And if it didn't work for you, it means you didn't apply enough of it. So that was my lessons, I think the first lessons from my childhood, that you just have to be violent to accomplish things. And that if you can't...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That violence works, and you just need to apply it in the right place. Wow. But I was, what, eight years old, nine years old. Those are the first lessons in my life. But society was brutal at the time. It's not an excuse. I get a lot of flak now in today's society when I talk about it in Poland. There were podcasts in Poland that I went to, and people are very disturbed that...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
that how a kid like this, eight years old, almost killed somebody that is so violent. Well, they don't understand that there were different times. But the way I look at it today is this is good. The Polish society is different. They don't tolerate violence. You know, my mom wouldn't tolerate either, but there were things that she did. That was my upbringing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And when I see today people complaining about this and pointing out how bad and evil it is, I agree with them. But I'm also kind of... happy that they can speak to it, that they can verbalize this, and they don't afraid to speak that there's a government goon somewhere behind them looking to how to put them to jail or how to persecute them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They can speak their mind, and their minds, they don't have to agree with me. And very often they don't. And I'm kind of happy about it because the Polish society is slowly changing more like in America where we can speak, we don't have to look over our shoulder. Well, maybe not the last administration, but we don't have to look on our shoulder. I tell you, you know what?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Even the last administration, I never felt that I'm saying something that can put me to prison, to jail. I can say something, I can lose my job, but I'm not... I never put myself in that situation, but I never worry about being... What would get you thrown in jail in Poland for...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, you could stay in line for bread, like my mom, and you complain that, let's say, there's never enough food for people here. What this government is doing? Well, if there was a neighbor next to you or somebody who knew who you were, and overheard it and he was working for secret police or he was a snitch, you could get arrested.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There was nothing unusual that police show up on your doorstep, they took you on the police station and say, hey, tell us about your comments here in the bread line or tell about your comments you made at your work about the disparaging communist party members. So in my book, actually, I describe the case when one of my fellow political prisoners was testifying in his defense.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
His defense was not a defense. It was offense. It was actually laying straight truth to the judge. And judge, I remember judge asked him, well, but this is offending the party member. Do you think it is right? So, you can see the way the socialist state work up there. So, you could put you to jail dead. That was like people were afraid the most to get on the political list in Poland.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because once you find yourself there, you are always that troublemaker, the anti-socialist, anti-communist. Wow. Take it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
disappearing being murdered by this sounds like the state did you witness any of that growing up even today even today they are still looking for the mass graves of some of Polish heroes who were executed by socialist state just I think recently they found the grave of
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
big Polish hero, Rotmistrz Pilecki, Captain Pilecki, the man who volunteer to go to be locked up in Auschwitz so he can write a report what's going on up there. And then he escape. after a while. But those reports went to the West on Churchill desk, so they knew what was going on in those prison camps. So this guy later fought in Warsaw Uprising in 1944. He became a hero in Poland.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So after communists took over, he was promptly arrested. and executed, sentenced to death and executed, like many, many people. And his grave was never found, I believe, until recently. But there are still people that are missing and their graves are being found in the prison yards, digged in somewhere in some... unspeakable forests in places. So people are still looking.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's an IPN organization in Poland, the government organization, Institute of Polish Remembrance, where they pursue still the searching for Polish heroes who disappeared under communist regime. So there was nothing uncommon to disappear.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Also, please remember that every communist system, whether in Poland, a socialist system, whether in Poland, whether in East Germany, Romania, Czechoslovakia, they had those almost given every four or five years, the upheavals. In Poland it was 1956, 1960, 1968, 1970, 1976 that people went on the streets and there were more protesters.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There were brand insurrectionists, bandits, terrorists, and shot at. So every so many years this upheaval happens. And every time that happens, the new crew comes in and say, okay, socialism is great. These people just didn't know how to work in socialism system. So we're going to replace. And sometimes that government before was either killed or in prison as well.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And the new crew come in to build the better, the real socialism system. and it repeats itself every so many years, and every time the new crew, the new gang came in, the socialist gang came in, and they were telling people that we will do it the right, the socialism the right way, we will build socialism the right way. You never hear, and there's another thing people need to know,
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were not communist states. They didn't even pretend to build communist states. Even in Soviet Union, you can see, if you read the literature from that time, they all were building socialism, not communism. Communism is... The way my father explained to me, it's just a stepping stone to further societal development into communism. But you cannot omit socialism.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Socialism is a very necessary step. So that's how it happened. And you mentioned about the parallels. I've seen a lot of parallels in the last administration that were very dangerous. And I was afraid.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you, brother.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yes. The USAID with European Union, this band election, they removed the candidate. This is what I'm saying. The European Union reminds me more of the Soviet Union right now with totalitarian control than the European Union at its inception. I mean, look at it. People are getting arrested in the European Union for Facebook posts. And it's not like, well, maybe somewhere you heard about it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's documented. You can see even on the videos, there's video when police coming in arrest people for Facebook posts, let's say in Great Britain. The decay of that society is immense. And I don't know how long it will last. But it seems like the days of European Union are numbered, I think.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, have at them. I'm all about sweets. I have embargo on sugar and sweet things at home. But since my wife is not here... What do you think?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Maybe it's not that good, but you see what happened in Romania, you see what happened in Georgia, you see what the assassination attempt in Slovakia when the President Fico, Prime Minister Fico barely survived, and the same thing in 2014 in Ukraine. And there's another organization working hand-to-hand with it, I think E&D, that did a lot of harm.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
to people trying to subdue them and convert them into the compliant masses.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is what I call, like here people don't hear this term. We call it socialist elections. Socialist elections are elections where communists and socialists always win. So there's a socialist election and all the mechanisms behind it. If you would accuse, let's say in Poland it was the same mechanism. You cannot vote somebody who you really thought could be a good person or politician.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You were voting for people that they told you to vote and the mechanism was set up this way that no matter what, That person would win elections. If you notice in Eastern Europe, first thing they did when socialists grabbed the power was start changing the rules and laws to give them the advantage and give them the opportunity to falsify election even if they have to, to stay at power.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because they know after four or five years of that socialist communist ideology, people have had enough. They did not want any of that and any of these Marxist goons. In Poland, when I was growing up, I remember people would hang those Marxists from the Latin posts if they could get away with it. This is how much hate it was.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's always segment of the society, like my father, that get along to go along and try to stay afloat, and they will do whatever it needs to take to stay in the control and control the society. Because we need to notice that most of the atrocities committed in Poland were not committed by Russians, were committed by Poles.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were trained in Soviet Union by, and not necessarily Russians, there were different nationalities, Ukrainians, there were Belarusians, who were part of the Soviet Union at the time, who trained and who installed that type of the government in Poland at the time. So in Poland, the most atrocities that happened were committed by Polish communists on Poles.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The Soviet Union, the most, I think no other nation experienced the atrocities and danger of communism, socialism, more than Russians. They were the biggest victims of that system. So there was no Poles murdering Russians. There were no Ukrainians murdering Russians. There were Russians killing Russians because evil ideology will do it to you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is when you subscribe to so-called relative morality. And this is what you become part of the system that will actually twist you into this type of behavior, this type of morality. So that's very dangerous. So when did you get sent back to your father? I think I was 16 years old at the time.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I was still in the eighth grade of elementary school, but my mom just could not afford to feed three kids. So she said, you are the oldest one, so we can go send you there. And I didn't really want to go, but... You know, I had no choice.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The funny thing is, because my father came, picked me up, and we traveled from my city lots to, after all the court proceedings were done, to his apartment in Warsaw. I remember his wife opened the door. He said, okay, so he's... He'll be living with us from now on. I can remember the screams, like, what? What are you talking about? Nobody's going to live here with us.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So, you know, the tension already started. That was not very pleasant, you know, walking to the house, and you see this weird woman screaming and yelling. But I had no choice, so I stayed there. And she had a son, so she was... giving me a hard time, so I was beating up her son. And it was kind of like equalizing. The more I get punishment from her, the more I beat up that other kid.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And eventually I had enough, and they had enough too, so they kicked me back to my mother's. That was one year, but also I could see at the time my father's mental state and his values system. Like I mentioned earlier here, when you've seen him, you would think, wow, this was a nice, clean man, well-spoken and educated man, somebody like would be great to have as a neighbor.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I know the name. I cannot connect with the face yet. Yeah, he's a... I know what it is, brother. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But when I start talking to him, I remember I had a conversation at the time that He says, I asked him, you know, what if people were resisting socialism and communism? There are some people who will not buy into it. I don't buy into it. Well, he says, well, we have methods to convince people. We will make them do that. But if that doesn't work, we have prisons. So what if prison doesn't work?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We still don't change it. Well, the social is such a great system that is worthy sacrifice, so we just eliminate physically these people. That way they don't interfere with us implementing such a great system for everybody. Once people get into the socialist system, they will love it. We just need to eliminate people who oppose it because they derail our efforts.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He wouldn't mind these people being killed. Also, what I didn't know at the time. My father was responsible for censorship in Poland at the time. He was a minister of art and culture in Poland. He was a director of the department for theaters, movies, and libraries. So if you wrote the book that my father did not like, your book never showed up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Not only that, if that book was skeptical of socialism and communism, None of your books were ever showed up. If you argue about it, you could end up in prison. Movies. Somebody pointed out not too long time ago, older person, that, do you know that your father was responsible for censoring the very popular comedy that was in Poland at the time, Samy's Foy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It was named All Hours, as I lose translation. He was responsible for removing parts of that movie and he was arguing with the director that this does not support the socialist point of view. It opposes what we would say the nice transition to socialism and communist society. So we need to cut this, this, and just all the people were to cut the movie and they had to comply.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I didn't know about that movie. I knew that he was censoring things, censoring books, censoring artists. So a lot of the things that happened in Poland at the time in post-war era was you either could adopt the art, and people to socialism, or you eliminate it. So there were statues that socialists, the communists like my father, decided they do not support the communist narrative, the ideology.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Why don't you just destroy it and remove it so people don't know about it? Or change the meaning of it, knowing that author had the... creating, let's say, that painting had this on his mind. Well, kill the author and explain people what really we think that picture means. So, that was just normal methods. And if you were not in line with the socialist state, the terror state, you were cancelled.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It is beautiful. Thank you. But it's also very important. Important for me. For me, it has an extra meaning, too. So I really appreciate it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So, it's not much different than it could happen today, that happened today under the last administration. So... I'm talking about the last administration. I know we're going to get a lot of flak for it, and I think the YouTube may flak this interview, but I don't know. Bottom line is that a lot of the things that happened in Poland, like you asked me earlier, was like deja vu.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I could extrapolate on what is happening in the United States under the last administration. The difference is this. that America was built by free, strong people. The culture of freedom, the understanding of freedom and the yearning for freedom is so strong that it's not as easy to subdue and change and derail it. So people survived that four years And now you can see what is happening.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
People are raising up, I would say, standing up again against some of the methods used by the previous administration. And they have to, because if we fail, we have no place to go. Wow. How often would your dad and you have these conversations? Quite often, because I wasn't a good student, so...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
always to get him off my back whether i didn't do the homework or the homework was bad i asked these questions and we started arguing about it and i just rolled him up and uh and but it also allowed me to understand a little bit more the way he thinks and it was scary thoughts at the end the guy has no scruples in implementing the ideology that he was subscribing to.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He wanted everybody to subscribe. If you didn't, he will force you to do it or he will eliminate you so you don't derail other people from it. It's very dangerous, but this is how they operated at the time. You could lose your job and you will not be able to find your job. You could not open your business. You couldn't attend the college. Matter of fact, the education was a very big thing for
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you for the invitation. It's an honor to be here, brother.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
communists and control of the students. So to get to college, if you were not a member of youth socialist organization, your chances were smaller to get into university than somebody who was activists and openly, how to say it, virtue signaling that he's a communist and pro-communist. These people were sought after and they were given priority to join the universities.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There were also people who did get into universities being opposed to communist system, but they were very rare and few in between. They control everything and they control from the schools. It happened to me. When I was in fifth grade, I remember this was the time, fifth grade is the time when kids in Poland had to start learning Russian language.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It become part like math, Polish, physics, mathematics. You had to learn also Russian. So me not being the greatest student, I got pissed off because I hardly have the time and the ability to do homework from these math, physics, the Polish language. Now it's Russian. I just don't like it. I piped up at the school. I said, why do they teach us the Russian language?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We don't speak Polish very well yet. On the top of it is the language of occupiers. My grandmother always called the Russians occupiers at the time. I didn't think much of it. There was nothing political at the time about it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But the repercussions were because the teacher walked right away to my bench and grabbed me by my ear and holding my ear through the whole hallway, took me to principal's office, explained what happened. The principal got on the phone and called police. So the police came, but on the way to school, they stopped my mom. This is fifth grade? Fifth grade, yes. So, what was it?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Fifth grade is like 12, I guess. Something like that, yeah. So they detained my mother. They brought her with them. So there was two secret police. There was two police in uniform. There was four of them. My mom was sitting in the middle, I guess, in this small car they were driving. So they came. They started yelling at us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And they told my mom very straight, if you don't instill more love to socialism in your kids, we're going to take them away. We will educate them the right way. Don't do it. There won't be any warning. If we run across that similar situation like this, your parenting will be done. My mom cried. I cried because I didn't know why my mom was crying. I was scared, but being a kid, I really didn't.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
still conceptualize what was really happening until later my mom explained to me. But this is something that from then on, my mom was always, before I was going to school, say, do not talk politics at school. Do not, because it will harm our family. do not talk politics. And that was before we were leaving the school in the morning to school in the morning.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Every time I heard this, just a reminder, it tells you the fear people were living in of the totalitarian socialist state. And that was not the exception. I mean, all my friends were giving the same advice. When I talked to them, they said, well, like, my mom told me not to talk about politics because it's dangerous. So, yeah, that's happened.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That's your kids, yes. Also, the cases where actually kids were being converted. in their gender. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, behind parents' back. The parents even didn't know about it. I'm aware of the case where the boy was transitioned behind parents' back and eventually committed suicide because of all the things. This is something that is very tragic.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But I think we need to stand up to it. We need to understand what is going on. We need to understand that normalization of depravity, especially if you have a therapist, that they are not allowed to treat mental illness because it's politically incorrect. And you can lose your license. It tells you how far some of the groups in our society have fallen. That's pure evil.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you. I appreciate it, brother.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is what I'm talking about. This is not the struggle between Republicans and Democrats. Really, there are good people on both sides. This is a struggle, evil against good, good against evil. And evil is not an intellectual concept. It's not something you just think about. Evil is real, and we face real problems.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
dangerous times right now because it seems like sometimes the evil side, the evil has upper hand. But, you know, I'm looking with hope and I understand that this is not going to take roots in America. American psyche is much stronger than that. You can throw these things on some people, some wicked people who will cave in, but America and American people will not.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That freedom on which America was born, from which was born the quest for freedom, quest for being strong, independent, is much stronger than evil. We will win. America will win.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I know who you're talking about. Okay, I got it now. Sorry.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, I already learned my techniques too. How to extort sandwiches. By this time I was extorting wines, wine and drinks from other kids at school. Well, it didn't start this way. I just didn't know much better. I was doing boxing at the time. I was training box. And I decided to... I remember one time on the football field, soccer field,
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There was some little kid making, a little kid, not really a little kid, but he was like my age, making fun of girls. So I was trying to be like a tough guy, but just knock him out. Well, I didn't know. The guy was part of the gang at school. See, in Warsaw they had those gangs. So I then, they surrounded me. I said, okay, well. We just hit our guy, so we're going to go and we need to talk.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Hi, Dom. I mean, yeah. I just like if you hear it, yes, I know who he is.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, I didn't wait. I just knocked another one. So that just put them on the back foot. But then they say, okay, now to mend our case, we won't cause you any problems. You just bring us a bottle of wine. So I say, a bottle of wine? I just knock on the next one of you. You're not going to get shit from me. But then I was thinking like, hmm. That kind of work I used to do with sandwiches.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So maybe I should talk to them. So I did get them wine. I did get them wine. And then we started extorting wine from other kids. So that was, again, violence works. If it didn't work for you, it means you didn't apply enough of it. It has no place in American society. I have to be open about it, and I have to state it openly. It wouldn't work here. America is different.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But at that time, it worked for me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, no, that was like 17 going, yeah, 17 years old, yes. So before I get back to my mom, I finished my regular elementary school, and the high school that I went to was very sought after. Only kids with the best grades could get to it. My grades was like the worst of the worst, but I had a father. So we just take one visit at school and I was greeting like a hero at school.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Just come on in, pick your class, you know, what do you like to do? So I was treated like very well. But again, didn't last long because eventually his wife got tired of me. His kids got a lot of bumps and black eyes many times. They just sent me home. And then I started my life back again with my mom.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, there was... Again, I have found the memories of my childhood. So today when I look at it back, yeah, it was poor, it was violent, but when I also... I have the nostalgia for it. So when I came back home... I didn't go back to do boxing. My home at that time was in Zielona Góra, a small town.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I didn't go back to the boxing because the first karate Kyokushin, Kyokushinkai, was born in Zielona Góra, in the town. So I said, I need to get to it. But because... you have to be 18 to join. I took my school ID and I scraped the date and I changed my date one year earlier. So I was actually 18. So I didn't tell my mom about it because my mom was very strict about these things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I told my mom that I want to go there, but we couldn't afford it. But she said this, if you stop drinking and stop smoking, because I was a drinking smoker, if you stop drinking and smoking and I see you try to pay for your training, I will help you. So then I was selling the, what do you call it, like papers. You get the papers, like recycling.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I was doing the recycling, and I was just getting money for it. You could do it in Poland. It took a lot of stuff to carry, heavy stuff, to make meaningful money. But I learned I can steal the newspapers, the stack of newspapers, because in the morning, it was like 6, 5 o'clock in the morning, There was no electronics at the time. There was no internet.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So they just throw those newspapers by the places where they were being sold. So I just waited until the guy left and just grabbed a couple of these bags, each one maybe like five, six kilograms. That's a lot of heavy weight. And I just ran away with it. I hid it in my basement.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And after two, three days, I just ran up to the place where they were buying the recycling and just started making money just to supplement my karate training. And it worked. My mom seen it. She seen that I tried. I stopped drinking. I stopped smoking. Just like this. Just one day, I stopped. And I started drinking Karate Kyokushinkai. It was fun.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I mean, that was something that I have very fond memories of it. And that's how my life moved.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I found myself in prison after, that was 1978, and that was when John Paul II came to Poland. At that time when you were watching on official TV his interaction with people, you would think, yeah, just the way that was explained by communists was, oh, one of the crazy guy in a funny dress showed up and few people show up to talk to him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And when the TV shows, yeah, a few people here, a few people there, but even more protesters. Like, yeah, the Pope is bad. And that was the communist propaganda. If you look today at some of the pictures on the internet, there were masses. There were, if not millions, there were hundreds of thousands of people coming to meet the Pope.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But you wouldn't know it from official press, from fake news media in Poland at the time. The impression was there's nobody interested in just funny dude in the white skirt. That's the way how it was explained. But that was very meaningful for Polish nation because by this time, no matter what the famous media say, people do not believe that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
If they say this is white, people usually comment that it's got to be black because that the communists say is white. But people had the chance to gather together in those meetings where thousands of us show up to meet the Pope. And they had the chance to see that there's not only a few of them, there's most of them. There is entire society opposing that depravity and that socialist terror.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And they start talking. They start dreaming again. And the words that I still remember the Pope said was, you know, don't be afraid. Stand up. Get up your knees. Fight for your rights. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
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Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Thank you. That's a very important question. I'm glad somebody asked it. So yes, not right now at this point, but in previous administration, there was a lot of things that to me seems like deja vu from socialist state run by communists. I'm saying socialist state. Poland was never communist country. People need to understand it. Neither was Soviet Union.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is where I met people, professors, engineers, people with a statue that accomplished something in their life, and even politicians. That was very educational for me. It stopped being... I didn't think about it as a punishment. It was more like education for me. I learned about the real history of Poland. And I was... I learned how twisted the official history of Poland was. That helped me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is what shaped me in the big part to who I am today. I met a lot of brave people. When I was sitting in prison, I didn't have a family. I didn't have a wife or kids. Now we have kids, so we know how it is. I understand how it was difficult for all those engineers, all those professors who never had contact with prison or law enforcement.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Suddenly being on the receiving end, sitting in prison and worrying about their wives, their kids. and still not giving up, still fighting the system even from prison. For me that was inspiration.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I was so inspired that eventually the prison administration sent a letter to my mother that basically come and help out because I'm not following the rules and my behavior is highly negative and not up to standard to socialists. regulations and stuff. So I still have it. I need to find it because we just found it maybe like a year ago. And I say, okay, I'm going to keep it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I put it somewhere in the safe place, but I don't know where the safe place is now. But I have that letter from prison administration to my mom, calling her and asking to influence me to come here and talk to me. So it was funny because they got extra visit from my mom. I didn't expect that. Get a visit once a month. And suddenly my mom show up. Hey, you need to go and visit mom.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So my mom sees her crying and say, well, I'm very proud of you. I say, well, I'm sure you are, but what's up? She said, well, this, and she just pulled this letter up. I'm very proud, twice as proud now. So keep doing what you're doing. Don't give in. So yeah, and then we were actually start fighting back. I remember we went on the hunger strike.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So we're like for, I don't remember, three weeks or month where we didn't refuse to eat. We were trying to—it started from beatings. Some of the political prisoners got beat up by guards. We're not hunger strike. But then we said, okay, well, we are ready for eight, nine days, so why don't we just attach the request? for status of political prisoner.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We are political prisoners, so let's fight for that. So now, so we wrote the letter to administration that the strike will continue until we receive that, until we receive the status of political prisoner. And they start bringing our strike starting with the older, more sick prisoners.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Some professors were taken to the room and say, like, the way they, by the Polish regulation at the time, they have to feed you forcefully, feed you after, I think, two weeks. So they start that. The way they do it is the big pipe. It looks like a vacuum pipe, but a little bit smaller. Corrugated pipe and the funnel on the end. So they handcuff you to the chair.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They took this pipe and they shove the thing up to your stomach. And then they have a big... What do you call it? Like big... thing where they cook stuff, like a yellow goo, and they just put it into your stomach. So what they did is like with older people, they say, look, there's nobody here. It's just you and us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So instead of us shoving this thick, big pipe in your stomach, why don't you just take this little cup so I won't have to put it in and just drink it? People who, some of the older people say, well, this is very painful, so I just drink it here and I'm still on strike.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
communist country nor any country behind Iron Curtain was ever communist country. They were socialist state, very dangerous totalitarian socialist states, but they were run by communists. We say there's communist state, communist country, but in reality they were socialist state.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So usually they don't even let them finish that drink because as soon as he grabbed that cap, put it in his mouth and make two, three sips of it, say, okay, now you are not on hunger strike. You feed yourself. Your hunger strike is over. And in transport to different prison or different pavilion or whatever, they just start separating these people. So, a lot of people went this way.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were treated this way. But eventually the letter from Catholic church in Poland came in, guys, you will not get status of political prisoner. You can accomplish other things, but that's not. You need to stop that because you are wasting yourself. Because there were people taken to hospitals, to emergency rooms because of that. And that's how we... Eventually, the strike is over.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We'll stop the hunger strike.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The priest that was coming, they were allowed once a week on Sundays, the priest to come in. And the friend who was passing him the information was a friend of mine who we are still friends. And that's how the information was getting out. So they would leak it to a priest and then the priest would disseminate it through the church. Yes, disseminate it to the church and pass it to the underground.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because Poland at the time already had pretty strong underground structures. They were eventually infiltrated by the secret police, but they were working. They were still effective. They were being spread out through alternate media. Basically, the fake news media, of course, we know what to expect, but there were still those bulletins like mine.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They were being printed and disseminated to people or being just left thrown in the street here so people could pick it up and read it. That thing spread like wildfire. Also, there's another thing. What would the consequences be?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, you know, I was watching you and I watch your channel. I'm subscribed to your channel, but I never thought, you know, some small guy, a little guy like me will show up over here because, you know, the guests that you have, there's like world-class leaders, world-class people. So I never even thought about it. And here I am. So I guess miracles happen. Thank you, brother, for invitation.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That would be not so much within the country, but outside. The Western media, yes, the Radio Free Europe, Voice of America. Voice of America in my life plays a very instrumental role because the things I started learning about the communist regime, about the real history of Poland, started with Voice of America, where it was transmitted
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That's why that distinction now that is being made that communist was bad but socialism is good is very dangerous distinction. Yes, there are many things that happened in the last, I would say, four years were very disturbing for me. I talked to my wife about it quite often.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
to Poland with real, true information, what was happening in Poland, what was the real Polish history. It was very interesting, but it was illegal to listen to it. So they did not want this information, government, to leak outside. Besides, the sanction against communist government by President Reagan was playing a big role and eventually... collapse of the communism and socialism in Poland.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But yeah, there were repercussions, they were afraid, and they had enough. People were fighting them on every steps they could, maybe not physically, but intellectually. They call it, in Poland it was coined the name internal immigration. Basically, people were shutting themselves down away from the government, not cooperating with them, and the entire economy was going to shit.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They did not want that. Eventually, they realized that they cannot, this minority. You didn't know, listening to the fake news media, but that minority cannot rule over the majority, that people were realizing there's more and more of them versus the small group of elites, socialist elites in Poland. So yeah, they were afraid. They didn't want that. And eventually that thing collapsed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Wow, so you were part of the collapse. I was part of the collapse. Well, by this time I was already in Poland. But it totally collapsed in, I believe, 1987. This is where the transition from the totalitarian system happened towards democracy. By this time I was already living my American dream in America. And how did you get out of prison? So it was the Pope? Amnesty.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The Pope was coming in, and they started releasing political prisoners. So after coming out, it's actually a funny story, because I was arrested in the wintertime. So all the clothes I had was just winter, like a big old coat, you know, big boots. The strings were already broken, the hat, the cap. I remember they let me out, and they said, okay, this is your clothes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Now, this is a ticket to your city, and bye. Get out. When I left, I looked like a bomb. I remember I was walking back, showing my shoes because they were falling. They had strings in it. Until I get to the town, I had to walk from prison, maybe three miles to town to get the train, and they changed the train. Yeah, I do look like a bomb. People are like, look at this guy. That is a bomb.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
In Poland, it was normal for people, even if they went to take trash out, they wanted to look good. They wanted to dress, they just dress themselves so they look decent. That was not like sweatpants or something. I do it now, right? But at that time, you always put something, some nice clothes, wherever you were outside.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Like for me, I remember I have a special clothes for the Sundays to go to church, so like a church clothes that... I was not allowed to wear it at home or anywhere else except going to church, because it was a special occasion. So people were there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So seeing me as a bum walking in these shoes, untied shoes, you know, big jacket in the summertime was, I think, an odd sight for a lot of Polish people there. So, yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I walked to the train station. Then I took the train to my city. And there was no cell phones at the time. So my mom didn't even know anything. And yeah, I just took the... I didn't have the money to pay for the bus ticket. So from the train station, I just... Part of it started walking, but it was so unpleasant that eventually I illegally jumped on that bus and said like two, three stops.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We agreed that something needs to change because we're going to fall like Europe fell, the Western Europe right now, into depravity and perversion.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I just went, and then I walked back home. That was it. My mom was very happy. She couldn't believe, my siblings too. But yeah, that was it. And now I thought, okay, so now I'm done with prison. What's next? So I tried to find a job, tried to do something, tried to save my life again. Of course, I resumed training. Taekwondo and kickboxing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I switched Kyokushinkai to Taekwondo because I like it better. I like the people there. They have a similar mentality to mine. They didn't mind to fight. They like to fight on the streets. So that was just more like a... Good group of people. Less sport, more fights.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I would try to resume my life, but then coming out from the trainings, very often I had the police car or sometimes civilian cars pulled in, get handcuffed, thrown in the car, drove around the town for a few hours, sometimes drove outside the town. Usually they drove me outside of town. And then I had to walk back home. But it was not so much to terrorize me. They knew they cannot terrorize me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But there was to terrorize people around me and say, you know what, don't do that. Don't hang out with this guy. And eventually, at daytime was okay. I can take a bus or something and go back home. But at night when the buses are working, sometimes I had to walk four or five miles. to home. So eventually I decided one day I might not come back from those excursions. It's time to go, time to leave.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I went to U.S. Embassy ask for help. I went to U.S. Embassy because At that time, America was, it always is, but it's that beacon of freedom. This is where people look up to. I remember dreaming, like, why Poland cannot be like America?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And what happened, too, when I was going to this very exclusive school in Warsaw that my father set it up for me, I had to travel, change the buses, and the stop was by the U.S. Embassy. So I remember I loved just to go up there because at that time they had those glass displays where they have pictures from America. They were information America.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Censorship is the first one, is the big one. It is easy to explain for people who censor that the government doesn't censor you. It's just private organization like Facebook. When I was heavily censored, like LinkedIn, I'm still being heavily censored. But the problem with it is... that they are being coerced by the government, and this is the very disturbing stuff.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I remember even before the Marshall, even before I got political, I just loved to look at it and see, wow, I love to dream. So sometimes it was so nice that... I remember missing the bus. I said, fuck this bus. I just want to read this. So I did read that, and I was always fascinated. I like to peek through the fence, and I see the big, powerful, beautiful cars. I was like, my, this...
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is it. This is the country. Those are the free people. Why aren't we dead? Today, those glass displays are taken down for security reason, I guess. I still, when I went last time, I went up there because for me it's very nostalgic. But yeah, that was gone. Wow. So you got you put in and yeah, I asked for I told them what happened and I say I would like to Just I would like to escape Poland.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I would like I need help They you know, I didn't even the wildest dream. I think they will allow me to come believe in America. I It was just like, well, but I have to try. So I went to ask, and I find out, they asked for documents and all that stuff I did.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I got, like, within, I think, a very short time, like, documents stating that, yes, the visa will be granted to me when I get Polish passport. So I basically, that was normal procedure at the time. And a lot of political refugees came to this way, either to America or different countries. My choice was always America. Once I got that promise, I could apply.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
With that, I could apply for a passport. Otherwise, you cannot get the passport in Poland. With this, I applied for passport. The passport was given to me. I got the visa. I got the green card. Actually, I-94. That was the first document, which was a later exchange for green card. Eventually, I became a US citizen. This is where my journey became.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's one thing I would like to mention, too, during martial law. When everything was banned, like the solidarity insignia, solidarity lapel pants, they were just forbidden. You could not wear it. People started wearing American flag. As a resistance, as a show, yeah, we are free. We want to be free. I remember that. We all had the American flags. Communists got tired of it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I remember my city, because at the Marshall, they had the roadblocks. Once every while, they stopped bus or something. Everybody has to disembark. They were checking documents. If they found the Solidarity Trade Union pen, you could get beat up and haul your ass to jail. But with American flag, they just could not really do that much. At least they did not. To the point.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because I remember with the time that I got stopped on the checkpoint, when they pulled us out, they ripped our flags, American flags, off and they stomped them in the ground.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
so the fact is that's not funny but so we're back on the bus and then um the guy as the bus was moving the guy said yeah you we're gonna get more we're gonna buy more american flags and and when they stopped the bus they pulled everybody out and they grabbed that i think i don't think it was the guy who who mouth off to them. They just picked the first guy they could easier grab.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, like, I'm running my own social media platform, and definitely I censor people posting anti-American posts. I don't want them here, and they are faster than lightning gone from my platform. But... I think that censorship is very dangerous. Branding political opponents as criminals or as terrorists is very dangerous.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They grabbed him, they dragged him, and they dragged him to the police van while beating him with those rubber sticks all the way on the way to it. So now you can leave. So we're like, okay, well, maybe we don't say anything. We just buy new American flags. So, yeah, that American flag was always for us, for many of us, that beacon of freedom, that drive. And then I came to live here.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
No, no, they stayed there. And my sister is still there. She's still... She's living her own life. She has her own business now. They have a peaceful, nice life, so they enjoy it. I'm here. When I was leaving Poland, I was saying goodbye to Poland forever. I have my passport. I'm going to post on my website. My passport is only one way. It's a stamp in it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You can cross Polish border one time only. So I say, well, that's it. Wow. And yeah. Was it hard to say goodbye? Well, I was anxious. Not really that much, but it was more difficult for my family, my mom, because the way we understood, we were never going to see each other. So for me, it was like, well, I have to go, because if I don't, then I may not last long. And yeah, I remember.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I just had a bag of my clothes, and I had the $20, because you had to have the $20. And I woke up to the plane and left. That was it. Wow. So yeah, that's how my journey started. The funny thing is that I always was dreaming about having a tape recorder, like a little tiny tape recorder. Never had one. So I said, wow, you know what?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I have $20 in Germany because I flew to Germany, stayed in Germany for like three weeks. And so I go and buy me one. So all $20 I spend on tape recorder. So when I land in New York, I had only 10, the change that I got from the tape recorder was 10 Phoenix. So this is like, I think, five cents. It was German coin. So that's how I landed in New York, bag of clothes. And I didn't speak English.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, that's the... No, you can cut out from it, whatever you want to cut out, but... We're not cutting anything. Yeah. That's, wow. Well, you know what, like my story, whether in the book or taught here, I don't want people see as a, well, the guy just came and bitch about the socialism and communism. We all know the communism. I want this to be a prism, a lens.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
so they can see America maybe from different vantage point. Because I see very often people, especially the younger generation, educated with these anti-American universities, they outright hate America. You know, and so I want them to see the America through, I would say, different eyes, you know, different vantage point. So maybe they can change their mind.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Because, you know, that's, I tell you, some of the hate towards America I've seen from our own citizens, I didn't see the terrorists we were hunting in the Middle East. So that's what is disturbing for me. Not all, but I did run across people with so much hate towards America, our own citizens.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
This is the same thing exactly what I experienced in a socialist Poland run by communists, like my father. So the censorship also... denigrating moral values, denigrating patriotism, denigrating the family values. It is important for a socialist state to take control of people, but it reminds me the same thing that happened in Poland when I was growing up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And this is a product of these universities, these anti-American universities, this Marxist, communist band, and communist professors and teachers. Geez. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, you know, I was a bad student because I think that I didn't like to learn. And that was my, I think, maybe... my personal challenge to stay focused on something, and especially something that I didn't like to do. I like to play soccer, I like to cake box, I like to fight, so I didn't have... I was not the best student. But yeah, software engineering is fascinating. It's like having a puzzle.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And you solve the puzzle and it trains your brain to memorize things, to remember things. And using the tools, it is fascinating. And you build things, you know, just like you are a designer. And software engineering is more like an art than... It's a science, but it's also big art involved in it because you can solve the problem. It's about solving the problems.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And you can solve the problems in so many ways, so many different ways. things you can do to accomplish your task. It's fantastic. I love it. I mean, this is something that was very fascinating to me. Matter of fact, the way I started it was in the SEAL teams. So I was the only SEAL who, having a cruise box with guns, had another cruise box with books and another one with a full computer.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There were no laptops at the time. Maybe they were, but I couldn't afford one. So I had a big monitor, big computer, keyboard, mouse, and I traveled with it. If we deployed to, like when we deployed to Germany or to Bosnia, I had that all shebang with me. Matter of fact, when we came back from deployment, we were carrying guns. back into the SEAL teams.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There is another thing, too, I would like to mention. In America, people do not understand very well concept of desensitization. Desensitization. Desensitization. Desensitization.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So we pick the case with the guns, with the guy who just carried it in, then pick my case to my cage and say, what the fuck is in this box? Do you have guns in it or something? I say, no, it's just my laptop and my books. Because there was no internet at the time, so I had to have a book, so I carried books with me. Damn. But I love it. It's a fascinating world.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Right, we're talking about the Taekwondo. Yes. When I was growing up, there was no cameras. You can have a camera, maybe like the one with this little crank on it, and it was hard to get. I never had one. And I didn't know even anybody who had one. So for us to progress in fighting, in kickboxing, in taekwondo, we just need to critique each other.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So a matter of fact, this is why I switched from karate kyokushinkai to taekwondo at the time. It's not like this today. I know I don't want to offend anybody who is practicing Taekwondo today in Poland. Today Taekwondo is very inclusive to all kinds of people and is very, very, I would say, civilized. It's very, not only educational, but also very healthy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But at that time, we just decided to, especially when our teacher from Laos, He claimed and was telling us that, you know, fight on the ring is one thing. It's fairly safe. But you need to be good. We want to be good fighters. You need to fight on the street. Well, he didn't have to say twice to us that. We were just like, okay, right on. Let's do it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So the way we did it, it was just pick the people on the street. who looked more rough or like trying to, somebody who was willing to fight. And it was not difficult to find people like this in Poland at the time. So we go and the way we did it is like, okay, so I'm going to go first. I'm going to beat up this guy. And you guys will watch. This is what I'm going to do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I'm going to use this technique, this technique, this technique. And you grade me. Basically, they were the cameras of our, the eyes of my friends. fellow buddies from Taekwondo. They were the cameras of our times. So, you know, you go up there, you use your technique, you beat the guy up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And again, I'm not proud of it today, but I have to say clearly, but that was the way I lived the life at the time. So... And you critic me. And so after the fight was over, the guy was laying unconscious. The guys come in and say, okay, well, you missed your technique right there. You could emphasize a little bit more.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Oh, I could be a president, President Biden. So I'm getting better. But anyway, so they do not understand the concept of desensitization. and normalization of evil, and that's what it is. So first you talk about it, you give the different names, which is benign, and then you enforce and normalize the evil and the entire process. I'll give you an example with woke. Woke. Woke, yes. What is woke?
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That kick was not very strong or you missed the guy here where you could actually do more damage or do this, this. So that was our techniques. And that's how we got really good at it. We got really good at it to the point that We didn't look for a single people anymore. We just wanted like, let's challenge ourselves. Let's just beat two people at the time.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So sometimes it was difficult to find like a group of people to beat up. So if we found one, usually it was like whoever come first was able to beat them up. Sometimes it was so hard to tell because we were like, yeah, the mind, the mind. We had to draw the straws who would be beating them up. And this is how we practiced. So we just woke up to the guy who started the fight.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And in Poland, again, it was not very difficult to do it because almost everybody was fighting everywhere. And then we practice our technique or two, three guys. And it was become more actually interesting than beating just one guy. It was very simple thing. But now we have two or three guys. And now you can show your art, I would say.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You can show your way of how you master your techniques, your reaction time and all that stuff. So that was very interesting. And some of them, you know, we didn't know. We didn't pick people who... Because you couldn't know if the guys to beat up were martial artists too or not. But we did, we just, you know, like taking chances.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And sometimes the guy who had actually martial art training was a boxer or wrestler. So they were hard to beat up sometimes, you know. You have two, three guys, and one of them is not really reacting to your punches. You have to actually strain yourself to knock the guy out. But that was our training. The cameras were our eyes, and the review was by our critique how the fight went. Wow.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
That was... You know what? Again... Whose idea was the safety pin? I don't know where it came from. When you were fighting in Poland, when I was fighting in Poland, I learned very quickly that, and I'm sure you experienced that, when you start a fight, the guy gets beat up and you say, okay, I had enough, thank you, you better let me walk away, I'm fine. That's a very dangerous thing to do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
What I learned very quickly, because usually the guy recover and attack you again, or come back with his friends. So then you have a fight on your hands, or even more people to beat up. So when we fight, when we used to fight there, we used to fight until the guy stopped moving. So it's not really, I had enough, enough, enough. No, no, no, you don't tell me when I end the fight.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I will tell you when I end the fight. Most likely, you will just be moving again. So you just beat the guy until he doesn't move, right? Now he falls down, doesn't move. But then we find out, and it happened to me actually, that... one of the guys, I think, had a thong fall in, and he was already getting, turning blue, and I panicked. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what happened.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And thanks God, there was a nurse, and she said, give me a safety pin, give me a safety, somebody's safety pin. So somebody puts her safety pin, and she kind of, like, hooked his thong and pulled it out, rolled him to the side. It was good. And she said, you know, if something like this happened, you know, you need to make sure that his thong doesn't, that person's thong doesn't fall in.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I say, well, that's pretty cool, but if you need to run, what do you do? Well, I guess you take the safety pin and pin his tongue to his lower lip, and he will leave too. So this is how we started doing it. And sometimes, police in Poland at that time seldom intervened.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
People were so used to violence there that if there was a fight on the street, then you could see two, three fights when you walked through town, usually. People just across the street go around you and keep walking down. They're like, it's not my business. Two people, three people are fighting. Let them fight it out. Let them duck it out and just move on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But sometimes when police was coming, then you have to leave unconscious guy on the street. So we learned very quickly that the best way is just to use the safety pin, pull his tongue out, pin it to the lower lip, roll him to the side and just leave him there. He will leave. He's not going to die. So that was kind of like a technique that we learned very quickly. And it's effective.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's a life-saving technique. I think the last one I applied in Horton Plaza in San Diego, already being a SEAL.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I didn't think either until this guy almost died on my eyes. So I learned there's a safer way. I treat the safety pin as a safety device. You just ensure the guy doesn't die, that he's fairly safe, that his tongue pin to his lower lip is not going to hurt him. He wake up and... I never had anybody complain about, well, maybe they never saw me after. But it was effective, 100%, I guess.
Shawn Ryan Show
#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Well, if you talk to somebody and tell them that the teacher is woke, a little bit woke, it's not really alarming. It's just like maybe a little bit strange guy or woman. But if you look behind that word, what it represents, what this word walk is hiding, the depraved and perversion, that whole process takes different meaning for most of the people.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So that worked, yeah.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
In German, I spent it on the tiny tape recorder. You bought the tape recorder, so you had, I think you said five cents. Five pfennigs. So pfennigs is like German mark has 100 pfennigs. So I had the five pfennigs in my pocket, bag of clothes from like old clothes from 1970s or whatever my mom could, you know, prepare for me. So I had the sweater.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I think I still have it till today somewhere in the closet. I didn't want to throw it away. With my mom made by her hands. Thank you. Thank you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's different when you hear, oh, the teacher is a little bit walk, but the teacher is pervert. That definitely perks your attention and say, maybe I don't want to send my children to this class. But so this type of techniques is not well known and described here in the United States because people were never exposed to evil of socialism and communism on mass scale.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You know, I think the other question that...
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I've seen so many things I never seen in my life and happened I was on the aisle with cereal box. I didn't know what it was, but it looks, these boxes look so nice, so good that I just loaded up my whole cart with the boxes. My American friends who helped me with the shopping, they were just laughing, saying, dude, it's easy. Like, okay, if you want it, yeah, you got it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I just loaded my whole shopping cart with the cereal. I was eating the cereal for a year later, but I learned to like it. So my favorite was the Krispies. Yeah, I love that. And then that one and the chocolate one. So there was like milk with it. I love that. How did you wind up at Memphis? Well, when I came to my journey, I started in Warsaw to Germany.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
In Germany, the political refugees, they had a center there. They're just only for political refugees. Where we spent time waiting for sponsor or somebody to help us assimilate in American society.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So we had the people from the State Department coming in through these three weeks telling us about America, you know, what to expect in America, how to live, what's the best way to go about things, what we need to do when we arrive to America. So there was a great help. I was like sponge trying to soak all the information. And then...
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
There's many ways to do it. One of them, we are the, for socialists, for the evil, we, me, you, we are lost generation. We are all, we don't change. They attack our children, and this is what they are after it. So today, nowadays, after seeing what is happening in our schools, it is no longer enough for parents to ask child, hey, how was your school today? Oh, mom, dad, it was really good.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I remember I was calling the office and say, do I have any preferences where I would like to settle down in America? I say, my preference is to settle down in America. I don't care where I'm putting, but if you ask, because I was speaking Polish. If you ask, I would like to go somewhere where it's hot, like hot, hot. I'm tired of being cold. In Poland, we didn't have a good clothes.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I was always freezing. So I'm like, I'm so sick and tired of being cold. Put me somewhere where it's hot. So it's like, well, what do you think about Memphis, Tennessee? So they took me to the map, showed me the map. Do you know anything about Memphis, Tennessee? Well, I know, I knew that Elvis Presley was from Memphis, Tennessee. So I told him, ah, I know Elvis Presley is from Tennessee.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, great, you know it. But is it hot up there? I said, yeah, it's very hot. I said, sign me up, I'm in. And they shipped me up to New York, back to Memphis. This is where I started my life. Got my first job as a janitor, then as a parts man, then as a mechanic. You know, there's funny things like, I didn't have, I never had a car.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I didn't even know in Poland anybody, I did not have a friend in Poland who owned a car. So, but those are European cars. Would you like to, can you work on European cars? Absolutely, yes. So, they got me on the interview, there was a company that was selling the Porsche, Saab, and Audi.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So, the Porsche guy come in, said, well, it's kind of expensive car, the guy doesn't speak English, know nothing about cars, so maybe we just set it, maybe not today. So, then the Audi mechanic came in, the same thing. And then we're waiting for the sub mechanic to come in and I hear this big sound roar of the Harley Davidson. I just run in the garage up there.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
The guy looking like a Sasquatch, maybe looks like seven feet tall, walks in. I say, hey, so that guy? Yeah. Saab? I say, yeah. He looked at the team. Presley was a service manager at the time. I still remember his name. He looks at the team and the manager said, I need a slave. Sign him up. And here we are. So we became really good friends, if not the best friends.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Physically, I'm still 65 years old, but still holding my... 65?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He told me everything about cars. I was clueless. I had no idea. So he told me everything about Saab. I became a really good mechanic to the point that even Mercedes came later and asked me if I want to work for them. So this guy... There's the guy who invited me for the steak party when I broke his house with my fist. I remember trying to learn English. My English was still very difficult.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I said, Jim, I have an idea. You're going to read me the manuals. And I will record you. I can listen to it. I thought he would kill me. It's like, what did you just say? I'm going to read you like a mama story to children. I read you the... And on the top of the sub manual, I say, yeah. He say... I was thinking, okay, but if you tell somebody, I'll fucking kill you.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I still have a Jim's recording somewhere there. Because what helped me, I was explaining to him that if I read the words and I'm listening at the same time, it's easier for me to understand what it is, and also I'm learning English at the same time. So this is the guy, half gangster, the guy who just wouldn't mind to go and just kill you if he had to.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
become like my bigger brother you know helping me out so there is many things that happen later in my life that would not happen if not this guy you know I owe this guy so much we lost contact after I left for the Navy but if he is there if he's listening up there you know Jimbo I remember. Wow.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Yeah, hopefully. I know he has a son, too, so they're just great people. I owe them so much. I owe Jimbo. I think the way my career moved on in America is because of this guy. So, yeah.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Okay, go play. You need to be inquisitive. You need to find out what the child is being taught, what is being done to him. And, you know, they are great schools in America, but also they are perverted schools. You need to intervene. And this is why there is such a big push from the evil side to get control of our children. So we need to take this control back.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
From Memphis straight to the Navy. How did the Navy pop on your radar? Well, you see, by this time I already became US citizen. And I was living my American dream. I had everything I wanted. I was skydiving even. I was teaching skydiving. I was teaching AFF. I was AFF jump master. So I was living my life out. And then the war broke out, the first Persian war.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I said, I am American and I have such a great life, so what can I do for my American friends and for America? I think I can serve in the war. I remember this funny thing because I decided to join the military. I didn't know Navy from Army. For me, it was military, it was military. Army was everything.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I was just one day in the post office, and I see this, what do you call it, draft cards where everybody needs to fill up for the high school kids. So I say, oh, wow. I mean, they are recruiting people even from post offices. I fill it up. I sign up for the army. The war is on. They're going to get me soon. So I fill it up, mailed it off. Came back to my apartment.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I was living with some other skydivers. And I start packing myself. I said, like, what are you doing? You cannot just move out. You know, we have a contract here that we have to pay the rent and stuff. No, no, no. I said, I'm not moving out yet, but I'm packing myself because I'm going to war. I'm going to war to fight for America. And she was like, wait a minute. We didn't know anything.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
How did you sign it up? I said, I went to the post office. I filled it up. I sent it off. And I'm just waiting for them to just come and get me. Well, I said, no, that doesn't work like that. You need to go actually to recruiting office. And there actually a letter came in that, well, thank you, but no thank you. You are not required to fill this card. You are already too old for that.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I was like 32 at the time. So I say, okay, well, the war is going on and I want to pay my freedom back. So I want to help and support my country, my America. So I went to the army recruiting office and I said, hey, this is who I am. This is what happened to me. This is why I'm here. And I want to join military. I want to go to war.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So it's like, where would you, okay, well, there's a unique preferences. Where would you like to serve? I said, well, whoever goes first in combat, sign me up. I had no idea. But they said, sign me up wherever I want to go to war, fight on behalf of America and American people. They're like, okay, infantry. I said, I don't know what infantry is, but if you say so, sign me up.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
They proceeded with the paperwork and everything. That was pretty close to everything being completed. And then Navy SEALs showed up in Memphis, leapfrogs. They were doing some demo jumps. So they came to our drop zone to do some jumps. I started talking to them. And I still remember the guy who I know him as, Tim O'Hara. He was a firefighter in San Diego. So he's the guy I talked to.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And he was just, I was like fascinated. He was a really good skydiver. So we did many jumps together also with his guys. And... He just talked to me and said, look, you want to go on SEALs because you want to skydive, right? In the Army, you want to be skydiving, but you're not skydiving to combat parachute jumps and stuff. Why don't you go join Navy SEALs? I didn't know what the SEALs were.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And if school doesn't let you change the curriculum or pervert the teacher, you need to do it on your own. You need to teach your own children. I'm homeschooling my children after I found out that school was teaching 73 genders and other perverted way of thinking to my kids. So we pulled the kids out of the school. Not everybody has meaning, have meanings.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
For me, it was not important to be a SEAL. It was important to serve America. I said, okay. But I had to go to army guys and tell them, like, all this work you did for me, I'm sorry, but I'm going next door. So it was awkward because I made friends with them. But I said, well, okay, I'll do it. I want to join the Navy. So I went, I grabbed the paper, went up there, and they finished it up.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And they were fair with me because they say, OK, you are 32 going 33. So you are not eligible for a CL program because you are too old. The cut of age is 28. But if you sign this paper, you go to boot camp, they make a SEAL out of you. You're a strong guy, so they're going to make a SEAL out of you." I said, okay. Again, my goal was not to join Navy SEALs.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
My goal was to go join America in the war and support. I said, yeah, that's fine. If not, I will serve wherever America needs me because that was my idea. I didn't know where to go. I signed it up. They told me, okay, we'll be fair with you. If you go as an undesignated, the Navy will put you on scraping decks or we'll do something that you might not like. Why don't you go pick the job?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
in the Navy. So after boot camp, you go to your A school and then you go in their SEAL training. If you fall out, I couldn't go in SEAL training at the time, but they didn't tell me that. So you go in the SEAL training, you fall out, you fall back on your job. So you don't go scraping decks, you'll be doing whatever the Navy train you to do. So I say, okay, so what's the best job?
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I say, well, you like skydiving, right? I say, yes, parachute rigger. I say, okay, sign me up, parachute rigger. And so, but they say, okay, if you want to go parachute rigger, you will have to leave. So we were doing the paperwork, maybe like three weeks later, they call me a month later, say, okay, to be a parachute rigger, There's two options now.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
You can go to boot camp like next week and right after the boot camp, your A school starts, the parachute rigging school, or you have to wait like four or five months and then wherever the next parachute rigging school is to coordinate it with you going to boot camp and to school. So I was thinking like... shit, the war might end by this time, so sign me up for the closest one.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I call my girlfriend and say, hey, look, I'm leaving next week. I'm joining the Navy. I'm leaving next week. She's like, what? I say, yeah, let's get married. So we just got married. That was a Monday, I think. Tuesday, we ran in the afternoon after her work. to the office in Memphis. We found the judge who was already leaving, but I think we looked so desperate.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
He said, okay, let me go sign you up. So he married us, and then I went on, I think on Friday, I went to Depp, into Depp, then I was sworn in. I think Saturday and Sunday they flew me and a few other guys from Memphis to Great Lakes, to Illinois. That's how my adventure started. That's the beginning of my Navy time. I just wanted to serve. It didn't matter where I served.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I would say my idea was to serve where America needs me. That's whatever I can be useful at. But I passed the test, the SEAL test. So they did let you try out? They did let me try, yes. But they said that I would have to ask for the waiver for my age. And this is where I met in boot camp. But then I had a kidney stone.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Not everybody has meanings to homeschool their kids. People have to make a living. They have to work, and they work hard. At least you can come back home instead of spending time drinking beer. Maybe you should spend time with your child, ask him what he's doing, and correct. what school did wrong to your child. This is important. We don't need to concentrate on ourselves.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I still have this document today that does not disqualify me from SEAL training, from the program, but I have to wait for at least a year or two before I can reapply again because the kidney stone may recur. I have the document at home. I say, okay, it's not a big deal. I just want to serve. I graduated from boot camp as a number one recruit.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I'm very proud of it because my English was still not perfect, but I excel in academics. I excel in the PT. I excel in everything that I did. I was selected to be there. Number one graduating recruit from the entire batch. So I got the Military Excellence Award from Bootcamp. I'm very proud of it. And then I had good instructors too. So then I went to A school.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And this is where I met Jason Cabell, my friend of mine, really good friend of mine. We later met in Iraq, in Baghdad, doing combat together. So I couldn't swim very well because I'd never seen the ocean. I'd never seen the sea.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
he says but he was so sure he is going to make and he couldn't swim he swim even worse than i do so he was like very now for me it was inspirational because he can i look this guy is trying struggling to just stay on the surface and he's going to be a seal So I'm going to make it too. So we were having it. We tried to swim and all that stuff. We got better, of course. He went to baths.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I had to wait for my orders first. But even before I wait for my orders, I went in Millington in the A school. I found the CL motivator was Les Barrios, rest in peace, brother. And I went to him, I said, look, I have a document. I would like to be a CL if possible, but my documents, my medical records say I had a kidney stone, so I cannot apply for the program for like a year or two years.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And he looked at me and said, okay, well, can you pass the test? I said, yeah, pass the test. Bring me your documents. At that time, there was no electronic documents, so he wrote me the I ran with it to medical, got my medical record, came to him, and said, okay, here it is. I said, okay, step outside. I step outside and just listen. All right, come on in. So I look. He's sitting at his desk.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
It's like, look, I looked through your medical record. I really can't find anything about a kidney stone. Can you help me find it? I said, yeah, it's right here. So we look. I say, no, it's not here. He looked at me and said, are you sure you had the kidney stone? By this time, I'm like, I'm sure I didn't. Okay, that's good enough. So, yeah, they put me on hold after the graduate.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
I also graduated, I think, one on the top of the class. So then I was waiting for the waivers. And I think the waiver was granted to me because I excel in everything I did. I did so well. And I think they seen that maybe this guy... because of his age, maybe his age will not inhibit him a lot, but we gave him a chance.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So eventually, after maybe two months being on hold in the A school, I got my orders to Bud's. I called Jason Cabana. I said, brother, I'm coming after you. He gave me a tape. I still remember the tape. I still have it at home, the tape that he gave me. It was the cassette we used to play. So I was just playing it on the road because I was driving to, California to San Diego.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
We know our moral values are pretty much at this age immutable, but our kids are very vulnerable and we need to be that example for our kids and stand up to the depravity and perversion thrown on our kids in some of our schools.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So that's how my Navy career started and how my SEAL career started.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
No, except them. Well, they showed me the video in the recruiting station. I said, wow, this is really cool, but what's the difference between an army? It looked like an army to me. But it was the unit that this guy recommended to me, and if I could get up there, it's fine. But again, that was not driving, that's not motivating me. join the Navy. So for me, it was not really that important.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
But the way I imagined SEAL training was there would be a prison. So I couldn't think of any other way. Those are special forces. So they will lock you up there in some camp, and you will be just going through all these evolutions. You'll be going through all the training, totally isolated from people. That was my imagination.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I was thinking like, well, you know, I'm married now, so it'll be kind of sad for my wife. But Well, I survived communist prison. At least here they don't try to kill you, right? They just try to make you better, unlike in communist prison. So I say, I'll be fine. Well, as you know, it is not dead. There is no prison. Actually, you have enough freedom. They give you enough rope.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
so you can hang yourself if you are not careful with what you do in bats. You just have to manage not only the training, but you need to manage yourself as well. I remember a lot of guys going out and partying and drinking. And I would love to do it too. And I did sometimes too, but for me it was more often it was Ben Gay, you know, rubbing on my muscles and like, oh God, I need to survive.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
Tomorrow will be maybe better. Tomorrow I feel better. Let's hope so. So like as they were drinking, I was rubbing Ben Gay in myself, trying to put myself better in the bed and trying to go to bed early. But it helped, you know. I did very well. I was rolled back only at the beginning of the first phase because I got an infection in my leg. I got MRSA on the back of my thigh.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So swollen so bad that I couldn't put my pants on. So actually I had to cut my pants to go to medical. But I figured out this, okay, I'm not going to tell them anything. I just go through the rest of this week. It was like two more days with the leg like this. On Friday, right after they shut down the evolutions, I'll run up to Balboa to hospital, let them fix it.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I will have three days basically to heal and I should be okay. Well, it didn't work that way. I went up there. They did cut this big piece, the big white piece out of it. And it was thick like my pinky. And my leg was coming down a little bit. I could put my pants on. But then in the morning, Monday morning, when I was driving to Baths, it swollen again.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
So I had no choice but I had to go to our medical in Baths and tell them what happened. So what I find out is Balboa, they cut this out and just let me go instead of irrigating it for maybe like an hour. And that's what they did. They actually gave me antibiotics. They put me on the gurney. And they put the IV in that big hole in my leg. And they keep irrigating for like two, three hours.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And my legs, the swelling came out and everything was good. So they bandaged my legs and I came back and said, we have to roll you. I said, you can't roll me. I said, no, we have to. We have a mudflats where we are going to. You cannot go with a leg like this. And the Hell Week next. You cannot go to Hell Week with a leg like this. So I was really like broken, you know. I was like, holy shit.
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#189 Thomas "Drago" Dzieran - Navy SEAL / The Terrorist Terrorizer
And I don't want to be rolled. I said, please let me stay in the class. So I think it was instructor Graves. No, it's instructor Fitzhenry. He says like, okay, if you can run here five... sprint around five times around this thing, I might keep you in the class. So I say, right on. But I had to still get a cut on my pants because I couldn't put them on. And I ran.