Sean Stone
Appearances
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, I mean, that's...
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
different ways of feeling in the world you know i would just put it like this is the director is almost like uh the chess player right they're looking they have to feel but they have to be strategically looking at everything the actors immersing themselves into feelings and moods that uh sometimes are maddening um you know i did the behind the scenes on alexander uh that was my first foray into filmmaking was doing documentaries back when the dvds had the behind the scene extras you know and they would have the featurettes about the making of or
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
On W, we did the same thing. On Nixon, we did this real story. On Alexander, I shot Fight Against Time, a feature-length documentary. I got some really good access to be able to see, not fully the conversations, but to see a little bit of the dynamic. It's like Colin Farrell was going through deep moods and experiences and madness at some points, actually.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yeah, it's it's in this it's in the documentary. And you'll see like, you know, how it's like there's there are points where you start to wonder, is this guy gonna, you know, end up like James Dean? Is he gonna kill himself? Because it's he's so passionate and erratic. And, you know, he was he was a drinker at the time. And, you know, he's Irish.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And it was like, it was a little bit of it was testing his, you know, his nerves to say, OK, can you pull this off without going over the edge? Right. And I think that's that's the issue is always, you know, you pulling out a performance from an actor. It's like pushing them to a place that's uncomfortable. And that goes to the question of the conflict that sometimes occurs is that he's pushing.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
He knows how to push buttons. There's a very famous story of telling Michael Douglas on the first day of Wall Street or second day of Wall Street. You know, I saw the was dailies from yesterday. What are you, like, you know, a TV actor? You know, like he'll say stuff like that to provoke, right? With a straight look or with a smile? No, it's totally straight. I think Douglas was shocked. No?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
No, no Daryl Hannah, no Sean Young. Charlie just does a cameo.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I was just upset they killed my character. Gordon Gekko's son was killed off. And he had a daughter. They replaced the son with a daughter. You were in it? No, so I was Gordon Gekko's son in the original. That's right, that's right, yeah. And the son is supposed to have killed himself in the original Wall Street.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Not a cameo like... They had flashbacks to the original. They had moments where you see him in the original.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
It was really an escape for you at that point.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, in the 80s, I mean, the 80s, to me, I still go back to. If I just feel like, you know what? I just want something fun. I love the 80s as a decade, right? Because they started to mix genres in a way where it's comedy, it's adventure, right? It's sci-fi. They get back to the future, right? What genre is that? It's almost a perfect film. But like you said, it's not going to win Best Picture.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And yet it's one of the most classic. And a lot of the most classic films that we think and we want to watch every year, whether it's Wonderful Life. I don't think Wonderful Life won Best Picture. It didn't do well when it opened.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
What was the horror film you loved? The Lost Boys, The Monsters Club. The Lost Boys. Right? The horror films that you loved. I mean, too many. I saw them all when I was young. Candyman. Candyman was fun. That's why I think when you ask about films, I always say to people, what's your favorite experience in your life? What's your favorite moment in your life? Go back in your life.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Because I think that's it. It's like a film is a moment and it's experience that you have. Maybe it's with the people you watch it with, right?
PBD Podcast
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Sometimes it's the date you're on or just the experience of, oh, wow, that brought me to, I was in the dumps and I watched that movie or I remember being in high school and waiting for Friday night to go see American Pie because it was like going to take me out of this experience and take me somewhere else. So you can't really say this is better than that. They're just moments in our lives.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I told you he was watching football on the day I was born. 49ers.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yeah, I don't think you did that. Apparently, he got kicked out of the hospital because he was watching the Niners. He was watching the Niners-Giants game. When you were born. Playoff game, 84. No, not before.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Just to your question of different sport, I would say acting and directing would be like playing two sports, right? Because they're very different ways of being.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
documentary to film it's it's just a different medium documentary is a different way of making a movie and telling a story but it's still the same fundamental principles right you're either setting up cameras your actors are you're either your participants you know like reality show style or interview style you're sitting down you're talking to someone you're you're feeling okay what's the tempo is this boring you have to cut away to something else where the visual is coming from right
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
The Niners won, at least.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Am I going to archives or am I shooting it? It's the same principle of storytelling. It's just maybe the budget. Generally, the budget is nowhere near what you get with the film. You don't have to stage everything. It's a little bit different, but the same principles of storytelling apply. There are films that can apply the documentary style or the mockumentary style and bring that tempo to it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Likewise, you can bring cinematic style to documentary. I think there are many different languages. And it's like you go to film school and you watch some of these things and you're like, man, you know, the Maya Deren types and the Brackistan Brackage and things like this. And, you know, there's many others. They're not necessarily the most entertaining films, but it just shows you how...
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
film you know how do you say we've hollywood has created a certain style for the most part right that's larger than life and you know goes back to let's say you know the epics of griffith and whatnot gone with the wind but if you go across the world there's many different styles of storytelling that
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
from a Hollywood perspective, would come across as boring, but might resonate more with a more documentary approach, like an Ozo or someone like this, you know, a Japanese approach to storytelling that might be a little bit more like day in the life and a little bit more focused on nuance that maybe a documentarian would be interested in, as opposed to a Hollywood filmmaker, right?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
There's different approaches to that same, it's still storytelling, it's just different ways of telling.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yeah. I mean, to a certain extent, I was more on a certain level of personal insight, but he's got a whole other life that I don't know. I think it's hard for me to say what's most impressive. You look at the films and what he's been able to do consistently across the years is be authentic and be a storyteller that's not beholden to the system.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
But there are people that look at it just as a business. And they're very mercenary. And they just take whatever the gig is. And I think that's the really hard thing to navigate. I mean, Scorsese always said he did one film for himself and one film for Hollywood. It's like a compromise.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
So you can't say what, you know, JFK is the most important film or Platoon or I mean, each one is a personal experience. Right. Some people have a favorite this one more than another. No, I mean, you know, you mentioned like Wall Street, like very watchable. Right. Wall Street's kind of movie you can watch multiple times. Scarface, you can watch it multiple times.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, no, his dad used to say, right, your dad used to always come out of the movie and say, we could have done it better, right? And so your dad kind of put that into your mind of starting to think about maybe how you would have done a film differently.
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83?
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
jfk i've probably seen the most i would say really well i like i like thriller conspiracy mystery and you know it's such a rabbit hole that you start going down you really you recognize there's a lot of details that you can't get on one or two to uh tries watching it because it's such a such a thorough film nixon also has that quality i just love i was surprised how many people i asked have you seen nixon have you seen nixon have you sent it no i haven't seen it like i don't know why you haven't seen it
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
There you go.
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
You know about the forces involved in the coup against the Shah in 79, I mean, 78, 79, that time period, right? You saw it. I have my impression. I want to know which one you think. Which direction are you going? Oh, I think it was a coup. I think the U.S. and British wanted to see him go. I agree. I think he was too independent and powerful. I don't know if it came at the moment.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
yeah but that doesn't mean that he didn't become too independent and powerful for their taste and i think that i don't know if it happened at the moment they discovered he had cancer which was i think like 75 six they said okay he's weakening we gotta replace this but i would say that the arc of crisis story remember the arc of crisis that huntington and brudzinski were talking about in the late 70s of this idea of this radical islam they were already perpetuating the notion of clash of civilizations at that time
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And it's not just saying there's a clash of civilizations between Orthodox Christianity and Islam. They were pushing for these rifts, as in Lebanon, as in, well, not Syria at that point, but in Iran in particular.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I think the fact that Khomeini was being protected in the West is very indicative, and that the BBC was broadcasting his messages from all of his messages being broadcast by the BBC in Iran is indicative. Because that's intelligence. That's how it works. It doesn't just work with a guy going in coup. There's different dimensions to it. You've got to prepare the population.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
You've got to put money towards this. You've got to make sure that you fly the guy in and say, okay, now he's your new leader. I mean, they knew who Khomeini was. You know how crazy it was to send him back, right?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, so 2015, 16, I started working for RT America, right? That was a DC-based group that had Chris Hedges, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. It had Tom Hartman, a leftist progressive guy, Jesse Ventura, Larry King. We had a lot of really interesting journalists, right? And we were a dissident because at that point, as you know, the media is controlled. I've understood this since I was...
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I got it. You get like a two o'clock, a five o'clock.
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
uh seven years old you know being in jfk watching the fallout from jfk seeing the media reaction to jfk how you know how it was dismissed by the mainstream media obviously some historians got it but a lot of the mainstream never accepted that that narrative right they said it's a great film but it's bad history and it's a conspiracy theory fantasy
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
So I understood from seven, eight years old that the media was lying to us. From the first Iraq war, through the bus, the Serbian war, through the second Iraq war, I knew all this stuff. I was watching it, you know, I literally would try to tell people.
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
So when I got a chance to work for RT, that was a way of actually having a platform for us dissidents to say things that were not acceptable on ABC, NBC, you know, CNN, right? And they turned that in 2016, they demonized RT America into this Russian
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
propaganda outlet, that was the, remember when they said that the Russians interfered in the election, half of that report, which was only like 12, 13 pages was about RT America. That was the Russian interference narrative in the Trump election was that RT America was pushing stories that they didn't like about fracking or Syria, whatever it was. And they're saying, we interfered in the election.
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I'm sitting there going, we're Americans. We have the right to speak our, it's free speech in this country. We can say what we feel and think, you know, we're doing journalistic work. So I understood this plot, this idea of the Russia interfering with the election was so thin at that point in 2017, that after the election, they released the ICA, you know, focusing on RT America.
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And I go, where's the Russian collusion there? What did the Russians do? Did they hack into our election machines? There's no evidence of them hacking into our election machines to switch votes. So what does that mean to say they interfered in the election? It's one of those CIA kind of words, you know, interference, Russian interference, misinformation.
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These are all CIA words that they put out there to confuse people. So at that point, I didn't pay attention.
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Yeah, I mean, I wrote a book on the New World Order. It was my college thesis. I did Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura as a host. I did Buzzsaw as a host for many years before RT. So I've been familiar with history and untold history of the United States. His docuseries, I worked as an editor for a year on. I gave him contributed ideas about some of the angles and points for it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
So a lot of this is just my background. So again, when I saw the Russian collusion narrative in 2016 for Trump, I... I liked Trump coming in because I liked the fact that he was an outsider. I thought it was Bush, Clinton. We're stuck in this rigged game. And someone came in who said, hey, Putin, why don't we get along with Putin? We can talk. We can work with him. We can negotiate.
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I said, good for him.
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as soon as he said that the whole russian narrative starts to boil over in the media and everyone starts saying you know he's a russian puppet so i didn't pay attention in 2016 to 2020 i didn't really pay attention to the whole allegations against the papadopoulos and manafort and parter page and flynn and roger even though i knew roger i just didn't pay attention to it because i felt like okay this is going to boil over
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There's nothing there. If there's anything really there, it'll come out. But this is kind of ridiculous, right? This is years going on, years of these accusations. People like this idiot Schiff, who's now our senator, out there saying there's Russian collusion and you just got to see it. With a certainty.
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Yeah, and it's so embarrassing that this guy, he should be like a McCarthy type, right? I mean, he should have been called out and said, you know what, you're an embarrassment. He should be nowhere near Congress or Senate. And the fact that California elected him, it just shows how brainwashed people are over there, right? It's pretty sad.
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I mean, McCarthy at least got to a place where he was making accusations and they couldn't back it up and they basically said, you're done. This guy Schiff now wins Senate. It's disgusting. So Pelosi also would say things like that. It's certain with probability or something. She would say these things where it's like, we know that the Russians probably interfere. They would use these words.
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I voted for him in 2020. Because 2020 was very obvious what they were doing with the COVID to me.
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Well, did he lose? I'm a believer that they rigged 2020.
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No, I think Rudy had good instincts, but he didn't have the time. His forte is not, he's going after mafia. He sees the conspiracy, but he's not an election guy. When it comes to election fraud, there are certain ways of presenting and there's certain evidence. And I think that to this day, we know a lot of these things have been buried, right? Let's be honest, whether it was certain districts.
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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And if you can look at it very simply, you think 2020 wasn't a weird thing. Trump got 75 million votes in 2020, right? He won all the bellwethers. He easily won except for the five or six states, counties that shut down for the night. And to me, that's, you know, I go back to 2000. I didn't like the 2000 election, because I felt like, you know, this is weird. The chads, right?
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It all takes us one county to throw a whole state, right? The same, if you shut down elections and say, we're gonna come back tomorrow, And then the next day, they basically have – they know exactly how many votes they needed to overcome Trump's lead in those five, six states.
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And that's the problem to me is when you stop counting and then come back the next day and, well, we got just enough to beat that lead. That's suspicious, right? Come on. You've got to say that doesn't add up to a logical person to say you would stop counting at any point. Stop the observance at any point and then come back knowing how many points.
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It's like a football game where they say, two minutes to go. Your team's up by two touchdowns. We're going to come back tomorrow. And then you come back the next day and you go, yeah, we scored three touchdowns last night. I didn't see it. Where was the observers? That's my problem with the 2020 election.
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You know, in 2004, a lot of people suspected that the machines were rigged against Kerry. There was articles written about that in Ohio. It was a very controversial state. Because people started questioning the voting machines back then. And many Democrats were the ones questioning it all the way through 2018.
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We've got video in the Giuliani episode of Kamala and all these people saying, you know, the voting machines right now, I can take you down there and show you how to hack these machines. So why is it in 2020 we couldn't question the voting machines anymore or the issue of – How much do you think this is going to backfire on the Democrats?
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He was a father in that? No, that's not true. Hopkins had won the best actor for Silence of the Lambs.
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I think Trump has the opportunity to create an historic presidency. I mean, the people around him, like we talk about Tulsi Gabbard in our series, you talk about Kash Patel, you talk about Bobby Kennedy, you know, and many others that are solid people with good instincts, right, that could transform our deep, they could fundamentally drain the swamp.
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Now it's not gonna be easy, but if they create the cultural shift, and I think is there a lot of people, that's why the red wave came in a way that even the popular vote won. People are sick of the system, right? But the elections are key to me. And it's not about Trump versus Kamala or anybody. If we don't have a clear, like a blockchain style of transparency when it comes to elections,
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That's what scares me the most is that we get to this place where you can rig machines, where you stop counting and say, we'll come back tomorrow. We need to get a clear way of doing an election where it's like a blockchain where you can see the results. Because I think there is suspicion, by the way, around some of the down ballot votes this year to this day in some of the states that-
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You know, there are questions. I think if you can have blockchain transparency, right, where it's like every vote is there, it's it's accounted for. You can go and you can check your vote and you can see where that's what we need to have as a modern society. And all done in one day, not over the course of a week or three months of voting. I mean, it's just got to be really clear and simple.
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Democrats don't. Oh, I know. I'm saying, but now is the time to change it. If we don't change it, I'm very concerned about our freedom.
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I'm independent. I don't fall into any category. I consider myself a constitutional Republican. I like the Constitution of the United States being a limited republic, being a limited federal government.
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and here we don't we never judge ourselves we always say that's the the other side is doing we're known to rig elections like it's known the cia has rigged elections abroad right we know that for a fact so it's so hard why is it so difficult for us to fathom the cia having rigged elections abroad i'll get you could be involved and it's the same chicken chicken come home to roost which raises of course the assassination attempts on trump i don't know man it's so strange
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It was a disgusting moment. There's a good point that these wars in the Middle East, as Wesley Clark pointed out, it's basically the neocon agenda. And a lot of these neocons are dual Israeli citizens. And so it's like, who has benefited? We were with Shimon Peres when he said... The Iraq war benefits us.
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You know, he said that during the, I remember very clearly, he's like, secures our border against Saddam, right, on the Iraq side. The wars are all, you know, it's, as Jeffrey Sachs pointed out, this is all Israel's policy with the Middle East. It's almost like we've basically said, okay, whatever Israel wants in the Middle East, we'll do.
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up and including the Syria thing, which I'm curious your position. But in the series, we get into this, how much, as we know, we supported creating these Al-Qaeda in Iraq and ISIS groups, right? Jihadists, which we did in Afghanistan, by the way, in the 80s. And we've done it in Libya against Qaddafi, which was insane, right?
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And we did the same thing now with Syria, where again, another terrorist group is now in charge. I mean, it's pretty... wild to understand that we've been fomenting these jihads against going back to the days of Nasser, by the way. Actually, there's a long history.
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I think Devil's Crusade is a good book on the topic about CIA sponsorship of Muslim Brotherhood types and others against any nationalist, any Arab nationalist. And who does that ultimately benefit? Unfortunately, it's is Israel, because Israel hated Nasser, right? An Arab nationalist. It's not from the American perspective.
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They'll say, right. We have dual citizenship with France. I mean, I don't think there's an issue with dual citizenship. The problem is that the loyalty that we find tends to be a Zionist approach. And Israel itself is not to me. It's like, I don't, I don't think there's any issue with Israel's existence, but the Zionist position is oftentimes greater Israel.
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I think you have to think about it as a... It's like a club in a way, right? And the amount of financial influence, think about the banking side of things. Think about the infrastructure of banking. A lot of this does connect to Judaism. And it's not to say that they're bad people, but essentially, yes, there is a deep, deep, deep love and loyalty to Israel.
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It's interesting because we could be Israeli citizens based on our ancestry. Our ancestry of Lew Stone is not Zionist. Our ancestry is much more cosmopolitan. And this kind of goes to the heart of a lot of the issues, I think, at the beginning of Zionism, where the cosmopolitan Jews who said, we want to assimilate into the cultures, right? Of Germany, of Europe, of America.
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And those who said, we want a nation, a land. And I think that there is a psychological factor to Jewish people basically saying you have to give to Israel, you have to be part of Israel, you have to, that's your nation.
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That starts in the Zionist phase of the late, but it picks up after World War I. Late, what were you going to say, late? Well, late 1900s is the birth, right? But then it picks up after World War I, but not really. It becomes, remember, the Zionists made deals with Nazis.
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The Zionists actually said Hitler was a good thing because they made a deal, various agreements, to start to move Jews because they wanted to take Palestine. at the time that Palestine was mostly Arab, right? So they knew they were a small population. They had to bring more Jews in from Europe.
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And so I hate to say it, but the Holocaust, they used that Holocaust to basically say, we can now create a state. And that was obviously the energy that was given by Russia and America and all the UN countries to say, Israel can have a state.
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One time, one actor had memory problems. He was getting there older. And you had to put the cue cards up and then basically force him to just read the cue cards.
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I don't know if that was... Is this an actor we know?
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Well, I think there's a couple of factors. As I mentioned, financial. I think you do have a lot of Jewish banking. We know that. That's historical. They're deeply tied into the banking system, including to the Federal Reserve. I mean, you look at even in Europe, the Rothschilds were the ones that got the letter from Balfour.
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I mean, the Rothschilds obviously are a very wealthy, influential family, right? And that's not the only one. There is the Warburgs and others that were very influential in building our Federal Reserve system here. So Schiff and all these families. So again, you're talking money, but you're also talking about a base. From a strategic perspective, I think that the U.S.
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and British saw Israel as a base into the Arab world, which I call Israel the last crusader, the crusader kingdom. Because remember, as you know, historically, we fought the West, the Catholic Church sent crusaders out to try to recapture Jerusalem. in 1095, and they did, and then they got kicked out a couple hundred years later, right? But they never forgave that.
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So I think that the Catholics and the West, psychologically and militarily and historically, actually see Israel as the crusader kingdom that gives them a foothold into the Middle East. So this is a thousand year war. And that's actually also how a lot of the Arabs see it, which is why people get caught up on the Jewish thing.
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And they miss the point of the Arabs looking at it as the West trying to have a crusader kingdom called Israel in the Middle East. And most, as we know, most of the Jews that are there are from Europe, right? They're from, you know, whether they're Kazarian or whatnot. So they're not from that land, at least maybe they were thousands of years ago, maybe they weren't.
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But the point is that this is an issue in the psychology of the Arab world, right? the Crusades coming back to haunt them. I think that's a big issue and people don't look at it that way because they think of it as Jewish versus Muslim. And I think it's much deeper because as you know, the Jews and Muslims have gotten along.
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The Jews used to go to the Muslim countries when they were persecuted by the Catholics. When they were persecuted in Spain, the Jews and Muslims both were persecuted in Spain and kicked out by Ferdinand and Isabel in 1495, 1492 when Columbus was sailing. They kicked the Jews and the Muslims out of Spain at that time. They kicked them out of, as you know, across Europe. Many times they purged them.
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They would go to Muslim countries, Jews would. And they all lived together side by side in Palestine and obviously in Turkey and other countries. So it wasn't a Jewish-Muslim thing. I think this is a West versus East thing very much.
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Yeah.
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Epstein was apparently Mossad and CIA, right? I had his brother on our podcast for a few hours, yeah. Does he think that he was both?
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Found dead. Yeah. Were you reading that? He was found dead in his apartment.
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Exactly. It's both private and public. I mean, look at... We just saw the Jeff Sachs interview. Today, all these newspapers are saying Jeffrey Sands is anti-Semitic conspiracy theories for saying that Israel's basically foreign policy is what we're running in the Middle East, which is pretty evident. I don't think that's anti-Semitic to say that.
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The ghost of Kiev was still riding high. And then that was a CIA story, remember? And all these different things.
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Uganda raid against... They made a movie about it. What was it called? Yeah, I don't remember the film.
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We think also about this policy shift. It wasn't like it was always adamantly whatever Israel wants until 2001. That's when the neocons take over. That's when the 9-11 justifies...
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all these wars in the middle east so-called justifies obviously what did it do did it bring benefit to the american people did it bring stabilize anything no we destabilize that region but as i said it's been all israel policy and mostly in netanyahu policy and netanyahu is closer to hamas i mean that's what's really curious you know when you look at the history that as you know
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Netanyahu and company hated Arafat, right? So they, back in the 80s, they actually allowed Hamas to grow. That's now known that Israel was essentially allowing Hamas to grow into this beast because it played off against Arafat's PLO and those guys. So they used that. And I think that's what's so curious is that Hamas is almost... it truly is Netanyahu's best weapon.
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I mean, at the moment that he was being indicted in the Supreme court, I think there's a new documentary about, uh, BB's, uh, file. I think it's called, it's nominated. Yeah. It's being nominated for best picture, exposing all this corruption that he was in charge with. He was gone. And then October 7th comes and it justifies everything.
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It's, it's like these moments, you know, that justify war is, you know, very much provocative. You should study that. The BB files, the BB files, I think.
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Well, we didn't know him before, so you can't say what he was. Well, I knew him at that point. But I'm saying, but before, and he was a, you know, those guys were true believers from the beginning, but he, you know, people say he was part of killing Rabin. He created that atmosphere, if nothing else, Netanyahu did. Remember when Rabin was killed? Netanyahu was playing up that atmosphere.
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76.
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Well, his daughter's husband's father is Lebanese, right? Isn't he the new coordinator for some of these affairs? Well, that'd be nice, but the Adelson money is huge, isn't it? But I do think, you know, I feel that if anyone can negotiate peace, I don't think that Trump likes Netanyahu.
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I think he has to remember that Netanyahu was the first person to call Joe Biden in 2021 or 2020 and congratulate him.
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I don't think Trump forgets that. I think Trump doesn't. I don't think Trump likes Netanyahu. I think that he will, if anyone can bring peace, it is Trump because he has to factor the Saudi position.
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the saudis have gotten closer to iran it's not it's not what it was years ago they're actually making peace their bricks are here i think he has to realize that this escalation would lead to world war iii he has to see that now and so if anyone can start to work out a deal to say okay how can we accommodate the palestinians give them some livelihood give them some economy it's got i mean trump's got to understand that's the only future he knows that he knows you know you just you start bombing things you start destroying it ruins economies it ruins cultures
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He has to see the path forward now is going to be negotiating with the neighbors, getting them involved.
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Yeah.
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You used to lose your temper a lot more, though. I think you've calmed over the years. Who? You used to lose your temper a lot. Oh, not talking about myself. I'm talking about the actor.
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98, 99.
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Not just any kind of socialist. He's a Bolivarian. Well, socialist. But I think that's the question. Is that really the best path forward at this point? And I think holding on to the socialist ideal feels antiquated.
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know he's very opinionated that's all you know so you know save the opinions because you don't have to tell me about the screenplay and about what you think about the movie and all that you know no but you had a very funny uh conflict with val right kilmer you guys got along much better later but on the doors remember you were in my mind val was at that point at that point yeah
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Yeah, for sure. All the President's Men is on Tucker Carlson's network at this time. By the way, I thought it was ranked. Is this the one that was number one on Apple? No, not yet. We haven't gone to Apple. It's only here. My website, seanstone.info, has links to all my work, documentaries, books. Can we put all of that below Rob? That might be a good place that people can link to.
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We'll put both of those links. They can find other documentaries and projects. Hollywood DC is a documentary. You're talking about the influence of... politics and the media, right? And journalism and Hollywood and film. We get into that in the hour long special. Actually, that's a good documentary as well.
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A lot of that just gets moved out in the deal structure in the beginning. They'll put in these crazy requests. You hear about this stuff. Will Smith has his own private gym. He's got a trailer for his gym. I've heard people have to bring their private hairdresser, their driver. Those are the worst. They bring on their producing. They add all kinds of...