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The Kidnapping of Ape #8398
I have the entire Pulp Fiction script written in my own hand from page one to the last page. It's kind of just been sitting on a binder in my office on a filing cabinet and the only person who's ever seen it was the typist back in 1993. They go, what? You have that? Yes. And it's never been seen? No, I mean, the typist is the only person who has ever seen it.
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The Kidnapping of Ape #8398
And there's a doodle over here. There's a little note to myself about something else over there. Vincent's character was named Edgar for a long time. And so Edgar is crossed out and Vincent is written on top of it. I started getting caught up in it. I started almost getting emotional about it. And I have to say, that was when I really kind of realized what an NFT can be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Actually, that actually has the most, best hand effects I've ever seen in my life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Is this the best hand on the loose movie? It's a Mexican exploitation movie. She's fantastic in it, Samantha Egger. She's become one of our heroes from the show.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But what's really cool about the Mexican horror genre is they take their tacky horror very seriously. It's tacky horror, but they take it really seriously. And you appreciate the seriousness that they're delivering their payload with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But not only just that. What's interesting is when you see some of the effects, there's a couple of the effects. Well, how did they do that? Because it's all done practical. And then some of it is like, oh, well. I can see how they did that. Oh, my God, that's so fucking clever. They figured out how to do it in such a clever way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I can see how they did it, but that's so neat because they just figured out how to do it on camera in a way that sells it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Within three to four years, you're bursting out of the seams of videos. Yeah. You're just bursting out. You've got no more room. You've got no more room. And so now all of a sudden, rather than having your face, your tapes facing out now, everything is, you know, sideways, spine facing, spine facing. And and you've got to really and it just never stops. It never stops. Next month.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You're literally quoting the movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Let me stop and go to the bathroom one more time. The coffee is making me take a piss. No worries. Go for it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And you got to get this. And next month, you got to get that. And next month, you got to get that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah. Well, again, if you have four different video stores or if you have a chain, you can move things around and it's easier. But when you're a mom and pop, that's just it. If you're a mom and pop store and you have a bike store, you don't have to keep getting new bikes every month. Right. If you have a pottery store, you don't have to keep getting new pots every single month.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I have nothing but respect for John.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
OK, so apparently they finished it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Every six months you get something cool. You don't need to get it every month. And you're defined by you having the new shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
When it comes to a big title, yeah, the thing is you spend the money. Like, okay, like, you know, one of our big titles in the early days of video was Top Gun.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Perfect example. So you get like, you know, you'll get even the mom and pop star, you'll get 12. Or 15.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, no, because he was, he was Zemeckis' agent and became Zemeckis' producing partner.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And he's the guy who gets shit done.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And so you've got to satisfy your... Well, you're going to... Yeah, you'll rent all 15 of those for the next two weeks. You know, it's going to be good. But then now you have to sell them off. You know, for $10 a piece, you know, once the, you know, once the desire has died down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Not even a block. We're talking about in the same fucking.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Not a block away. It was in the. On the block. Yeah. Yeah, in the shopping center that we were in. Well, you're missing the most interesting thing. It's not about the bulk buy. The bulk buy is what it is. But that's every mom and pop star has to deal with that, dealing with a franchise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But what Blockbuster would do, and they were famous for doing this. They were famous for doing this. But particularly, they were strategic about it. is like, okay, we're going to go into this town. Okay, we're going into Manhattan Beach. What's the biggest video store? What's the most popular local video store in Manhattan Beach? Well, that would be Video Archives.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
They're right across the street from the Warehouse, which is one of the big rental places. Before Blockbuster, it was Warehouse, Warehouse Records and Tapes. And they still manage to survive across the street from Warehouse. And then what does Blockbuster do? They buy the Shakey's pizza that is in our shopping center, our shopping center.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
No, I think it's three hours. I thought it was like 90 minutes. Three hours and 15 minutes at least. I thought it was like 90 minutes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And they moved into the Shakey's pizza because it's like, well, OK, warehouse. And with these video archives, guys, well, this is obviously the place to be. So they just bought out the Shakey's pizza and opened up and they still couldn't shut us down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Oh, of course that's how they felt.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, but you haven't seen. But, you know, it's it's the difference between being a cool coffee place and being Starbucks. Right. You know, or or, you know, a franchise bar and a cool little Joe's bar. All right. The bartender knows you. Right. You know, so it's like, look, if you just absolutely positively need Top Gun that weekend, then go to across the streets of the warehouse and get it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
We have what we have. But we had customers that came in every fucking day and part of their day or every other day when their camps were due. And they were people of the neighborhood. And they came in and not only did they rent stuff, they dropped stuff off and then they rented new stuff out. But they came in to talk to us for 20 minutes or 45 minutes every other day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But you're making it just sound a little bit more cynical than it was. You are making it sound more cynical.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
We were just hanging out and they're coming and hanging out too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
you know, I talked to Five hours a week. Every week for five years. Yeah. Because they come in and I'm like, we'll spend at least 40 minutes every other day. And I expected to see them. And, you know, I watched what I watched on TV. I saw what I saw at the movies. And then they saw what they saw in the movies. They watched what they watched on TV. We all talked about it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And they talked about the videos and what else we're going to get and da, da, da, da, da. And if you like that, you're going to like this. About our lives and everything. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, we were always thinking. Well, well, well, Roger and and Roger had another friend that he was a guy that connected me and Roger together was a guy named Scott, who took his own life at a certain point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But the thing is, though, that while I was just thinking about making movies, Roger and Scott were like making movies on Super 8. Yeah. And they were making little horror films and little zombie movies on Super 8. Supernatural thrillers. The War of Turns is a zombie movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Okay, maybe. But you're making like legit horror films. I'm just thinking about this stuff. And these guys are like Sam Raimi-ing it. Like Sam Raimi. They're making their shit in their backyard and working on it for like three months and stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
No, no, definitely Sex, Lies, and Videotape.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, I mean, the one, you know, It was like the sex, size and videotape was sort of like the like the Seattle band that broke. All right. But I was already looking at Blood Simple was my end.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Just right into the juggler with a syringe?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Was my end. All right. Where it was that was OK. It's an artistic movie. It's it's already it's funny. I can it can play the art houses and play the art house circuit. But there's a genre based to it. Yeah. There's a genre base. It's like, you know, it's a thriller. It's a film noir-y kind of thriller done in a certain kind of way, but it's a genre base.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, I go, that's the way you do an art film. You do it, you make it a genre base art film.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The book is definitely a pulpy genre of its time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It was like a soap opera. But that was a very popular book at that time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I don't think it's a... No, you kind of made Roger Takes a Trip, just added bank robbers in it. But it's still Roger Takes a Trip.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Jeez. So he doesn't quite know that this is all going to happen, that everything else has been a preamble to this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
My favorite moment in the movie. Well, I like it when the guy gets burned alive. All right. You know, the hamburger scene. That was. Yeah. But I remember they were trying to talk to you to cut out. And I go, no, no, you can't cut that out. I'll take my name off. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Everyone is afraid. Everyone's afraid. Everyone operates out of fear.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But it's the scene. My favorite scene is the scene with Hugh Anglon when he walks into the close-up. Oh, yeah. And he's just like, wait a minute. He's like remembering what he heard and he realizes... Okay, so that's a good example of... Because the movie was shot for... Explain the scene better.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I said explain the scene. Don't tell me what you felt about at that moment.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That's a great shot. No, the scene I'm talking about is... But that's why I wanted you to explain it, because I hadn't seen it in a long time. But it was... See, is that the shot? Well, that's the shot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But I thought the whole idea about it is the idea that...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I did some ADR. I thought the whole idea is he puts it all together. He realizes there's something going on, that the cops are doing this, or Eric Stoltz is dirty with him. And it all hits him. He's ready to do something else, and he walks into a close-up, and it all hits him. But now we, the audience, know what's going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The frustrating part for me about what you're talking is like, I don't care how the sausage was made. I like the sausage. I wanted you to talk about the sausage, not the factory.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You have no interest in that. I wanted to hear about the Italian sweetness.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I mean, I still think that sequence is exhilarating because it all boils down to an actor's face.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
He did all the effects for Dawn of the Dead. Like and not to mention all the great Friday the 13th, all the slasher movies like he's the superstar of practical makeup effects of horror films of that era.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
one of the great artists work tom is the incredible guy he's an incredible incredible guy where you were asking earlier on about uh whoa you're working at a video store did you ever think you know when did you start thinking about making your own stuff well i was thinking about making my own stuff for like a long long long time but these guys were actually doing it um But there is a truth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
While I thought about it for a long, long time and always figured I would do that eventually, I did fall asleep for a few years. You know, it was because working at that store, I just got caught up in the little life there. And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, you spent your 20s going to comedy clubs and building a career. So I'm still in my 20s there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And, well, it's one of those things where it's like, well... This isn't my dream. This isn't what I wanted to do working at a video store for years. I wanted to actually make movies. It's not my dream what I'm doing. But it's dream adjacent. It's it's close to my dream. It's close to my dream. I get to watch movies all fucking day. I get to talk about movies all fucking day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I don't have to work at a pizza parlor. I don't have to. I'm not delivering pizzas. I'm not I'm not I'm not busting ass as a bartender. I'm not busting ass doing menial jobs. I mean, this is the kind of job I that, you know, I do if I I'd go to the store if I wasn't paid to go to the store. So it's like – but for a couple of years, it did put me to sleep. It did kind of put me to sleep.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It put my ambitions to sleep for a little bit because I was happy enough.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I was happy. And just one of these days, I'll – Right, but you didn't have the fire. I didn't have the fire. And when I got the fire, when I eventually got the fire back again, and it was a life-changing thing. It was a life-changing day. It was... we had a buddy of ours named Steve-O.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And I, he was one, uh, uh, um, we had different living arrangements. And at one point in time, me and Steve-O were living in the same house together, renting in the back of the, towards the back of the store. The dude house. Yeah. It was where everyone would hang out. And, um, But now, Steve-O was older than the rest of us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
So he was about almost five years older than us, but he didn't seem like it. He was a young guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, yeah. But... So he hits 30 and he starts changing. He starts changing like drastically. I mean, he was like one of the funniest guys I ever knew. And he was this really, really funny stoner dude and really cool. And all of a sudden he's like angry about things and now he's not quite as funny and now he's got this issue.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And so we're roommates and there's this one night that he's kind of like all, he's kind of disgusted with his life. And he starts ranting and he and he's describing a situation that was very common.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
If you were a kid growing up without a, you know, without a degree or anything in the 80s, especially in California, where it's like you can't get any really good jobs, but like you can work at a licorice pizza restaurant.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And if you're an okay employee, you could like work at Licorice Pizza for a couple of years and maybe you could even become assistant manager or a manager and maybe they send you to another store. And maybe you work there for three years and that's really great. But then, you know, all of a sudden the district manager doesn't like you. You run afoul of somebody higher up in corporate.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And all of a sudden, next thing you know, you're fired and you're out in the street.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah. Okay. And so now you've just spent three years at Licorice Pizza. Now you could get a job at TRW or some place that's like a real job job. Or, well, those are kind of hard to get, but you can work at Warehouse Records and Tapes tomorrow because you just had three years at Licorice Pizza. Same thing with Wild West Clothier. Same thing with Miller's Outpost.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Same thing with any of these kind of stores. Next thing you know, you're 28 and the only jobs you've ever had are minimum wage jobs behind a counter that were designed for kids to pay for their gas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And you've spent your entire 20s doing that. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And you start getting bitter. But he was not just bitter about the job aspect of it. But I knew, oh, my God, he's telling me the truth. I'm learning something here. Because he goes, you know, Quentin, you think that we're this really great team. We're this really great crew. Well, we are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I mean, you know, that time of your 20s were like you, your group of friends or your family, you know, and like, well, we are. Quentin, at 20, I worked at South Bay Cinemas and I hung out with a bunch of guys just like you and some girls there, too. There was a bunch of guys just like you. And then I stopped working at South Bay Cinema. Then I worked at Miller's Outpost.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I hung out with a bunch of guys just like you. And we did everything just like we do. We went to movies together. We went out and we dated amongst the girls there. Everything. Then I worked at Leisure Pizza for four years with a bunch of guys just like you. I've wasted my life hanging out with a bunch of guys just like you. And they all go away at a certain point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And I realized this guy's kind of telling the truth. He's showing me a truth about himself. This is coming from somewhere. And then all of a sudden, he still hung around us. He still liked us. But then he started making it a point to touch base with some of his high school friends that were still around. So he's not just hanging out with guys four years younger, five years younger than him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Anyway, I'm turning 25 around this time. So I'm having my own little, okay, well, what have I done with my life so far? So far, fucking nothing. So I'm having my own little anxiety hitting 25, but I'm seeing what it's like five years from now when you turn 30. When you turn 30 and you're in this situation. And there was like one night,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
that I had what I used to call, I would do it every once in a while. I haven't done it in a long time, thankfully. I would have a Quentin to test fest where I'd stay up all night long and rather than give myself excuses, I would look at everything that I'm fucking up in my life or everything I'm not doing or whatever and just not give myself any fucking excuses out. Just like nail it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And I would spend like all night laying out everything I'm doing that's wrong. And then I would spend the last two hours figuring out how I can change it. And as opposed to just doing it and then going to get some sleep and then you forget about it and fall back into your routine, I decided to change my life. I was like, look, the problem is, is that I'm living in the South Bay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And even though I drive to Los Angeles, one, I got to not worry about this job anymore. I got to just move to Hollywood. I got to get involved there. I got to meet other people that are in the business. And if I have to work manpower jobs, you know, where you just work like four days at this place and four days at that place. Well, then that's fine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And by the way, I shouldn't be making money until I'm making money doing what I want to do. Hmm. Not that that was ever a danger. All right. But then, you know, the next thing I knew, you know, I moved out of the South Bay. And then I couldn't move into Hollywood. I couldn't afford Hollywood, but I could afford Koreatown. And that was close enough.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And literally the minute I kind of moved out there, I met a guy who wrote – low-budget horror movies and then through him I met other guys that wrote low-budget horror movies and this guy who directs a few low-budget horror and this guy who produces a couple. But yeah, you meet one person and that introduces you to three other people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Now all of a sudden I actually knew people who were actually making movies. And the thing about it was it was like... Also, well, if these guys can do it, I can do it because they weren't too special.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah. And and then literally it wasn't like everything changed. But like within a year and a half from moving out of the South Bay and moving into the Hollywood area, within a year and a half, I was finally able to make a living as a as a writer. You know, getting like $7,000 for this rewrite on this script over here, $4,000 for this polish over here, another $10,000 for this rewrite over here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, shit, I mean, I would make $10,000 a year through all my 20s before that point. So if I can make $15,000 from writing, oh my God, that was the greatest thing in the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It's the realizing it's possible, but it's also a situation where it's like, as opposed to talking to your buddies about comedy in Minnesota, your buddies who like comedy. No, you're at the comedy store and you're dealing with comedians every fucking night. And you're in the place where the shit happens and you're hearing how the laughs work. But also he's like... You know what's going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Oh, Caroline's Comedy Hour is doing the tryouts for this. And, you know, Chuck Chuckles is doing this thing or that thing. Oh, and there's a sitcom going on. There's the funny neighbor guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You're in the you're in the you're plugged in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And they have the thing where it's sort of like, you know, like, hey, Benny, we have a spot for you that could be really, you know, I can't do it. But my friend Joe could do it. How about giving Joe a chance?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Okay. Will you back Joe up? Yeah, I'll back Joe up. Okay. Yeah. Well, let's call your friend Joe. Can he be down here at nine? Yeah, he can be down here at nine. Well, that's how you get a fucking gig.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Look, I've been, like, I've been really lucky. I live in, I'm almost afraid to say it, all right, because I've been living in the Hollywood Hills and I've never, any of the fire stuff happens, never happened around me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Okay, but let me ask you a question. When I watch some of the things on the Comedy Store, because you know I really love going to the Comedy Store. And they treat me really great there. It's really cool. But, you know...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The mythology of the plays is you go down there on open mic night, and if you have something to offer, then you work your way up, and then you're the doorman, and then you work your way up. But it seems like that was then. That was a long time ago. Now it seems like people are almost paying 10 years or eight years before they actually are getting up and getting paid. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I'm figuring that that's a spot, but it seems like if you have to wait five years...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But would you really say... That it takes 10 years to be a solid comedian?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, also, to be a headliner, you have to be enough of a name to actually draw an audience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I literally am kind of at the top of the hill on a bunch of rock. So if the whole fucking place turns into an inferno, I'm still fucked.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It's not set up for comedy and it's in a fucking pizza parlor. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And it doesn't work and you go, well, I guess this is not for me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Oh, I knew I was hearing the truth. And I knew I was hearing a coming attraction.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Because I was already feeling it at 25. Right, right, right. Am I throwing my topsoil years away?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You can throw it away until 23, but from 24 on, you need to be thinking about what you're doing for the rest of your life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah. But, you know, I mean, it all worked out, okay? It all worked out really, really good, and the thing about it was, you know, I did get comfortable, but I got comfortable in a cool place. And ultimately, I did have the energy and the wherewithal to ultimately get dissatisfied with it and want more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You know, the alternative would have been me working at a department store for those four years. Yes, right, right, right. And then I would have been, like, really been miserable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Here I'm able to, I mean... In this instance, I'm still involved with filming. The sedative part was the idea that it was close enough to what I wanted to do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It was close enough. I could get comfortable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And so, well, you know, it was, it was, it was funny because, uh, when I first started, when I started at the video store, I was like, it was great because, you know, like I said, I got to hang out in this place that I enjoyed and I'm surrounded by movies and talking about movies all the time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But then also, there was also the situation of, you know, I became like a little film critic in that town. You know, it was like, I was like, the store was my little village voice and I was the Andrew Saris there. I was the critic. And people would come in And at a certain point, I'm like, okay, Quentin, what should I get? And the thing is I'm not just like holding court on my own personal taste.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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Pretty soon they got a really good idea about my taste. But the thing is I'm usually gearing it towards the people. I'm not going to – you know, get some housewife to watch some Gonzo movie that I... Yeah. Gonzo violent movie that I really like. I'm gaming. I get to know her.
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And so I'm, you know, putting something in her hand that I think she's going to appreciate. And I kind of know what kind of comedy she likes. I know who she likes. Stuff like that. And so I'm like, you know, really kind of... gearing it in a certain way. And that felt really good. It felt like I said, I felt like a film critic.
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But one of the things that – I forgot I was going to go somewhere with that and I forgot. I lost my train of thought. But one of the things that ended up happening – I hope I didn't say it the last time I was here. That ended up happening is we became – really famous in the neighborhood. We were the video guys.
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And our store was a little different than most of the businesses that were in Manhattan Beach. And so everyone kind of knew us. We were the video guys. So in a strange way, It was a precursor to what it would be like to be famous where the whole world kind of knows about you like that. In Manhattan Beach, I'm like walking down the street and people are like, hey, Quentin. Hey, Quentin.
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Hey, how you doing? How you doing? You know, I'm like... I'm working at the store. I'm walking to the Jack in the Box to get a Coke and come back. But we'd walk into the man's movie theater that was by the theater. And me and two of the guys would walk in to go see a movie. And we'd walk down the aisle and we'd hear...
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Oddly enough, the thing that it did was... It made me feel part of a community which I had never felt with before. I actually felt part of the Manhattan Beach. I felt part of the Manhattan Beach. I was part of the Manhattan Beach community. You know, the people knew me there. And I was I was an upstanding member inside of that community.
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Yeah. Well, there was a there was a Malibu fire. The Malibu fire happened while we were shooting Pulp Fiction. So we actually set up a TV on the set because Bruce Willis was going to maybe lose his house. And so he was like, actually, so we have a little TV area so we could like in between takes, we can watch what's going on with the fire.
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Thinking about getting money and actually getting money are two different things.
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I didn't have imposter syndrome because I did a movie and I was really happy with the film. But the thing is, what I felt like, I'll tell you exactly how I felt. I didn't feel imposter syndrome. Well, I guess a little bit. There is all that, like, waiting for somebody to tap you on the shoulder. What the fuck are you doing? Get out of here.
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The fuck out. What I had was I felt like I was a reporter deep undercover on the opposite side of the line.
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Oh, no, no. One of the things we talked about, we had a little theory about it, was that gave us a bit of a superpower when we were first brought into... Once we established ourselves, the people knew, you read our scripts, so you knew we had something to offer. We would walk into rooms and we realized that... And look, I'm not here to make fun of Hollywood executives. Some of those guys...
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They're really, really terrible. All right? Some of the... When they go through the sausage factory, oftentimes they get better. Believe it or not. But the thing is, though, you'd walk in there and... You don't become... this super successful executive by being doubling down on your own opinions. You kind of want to get the temperature and get a consensus going on. You're not the maverick.
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That's not how people establish themselves as executives. The D girl doesn't become the head of the development process by, you know, being the punk rock person who's, you know.
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Shooting for the plimsolls. They're looking for a Rolling Stone. But. Film people, film geeks and film, you know, film buffs. The one thing they have is their opinion and they have spent years defining their opinion and they almost have nothing to show for their dedication to cinema other than their highly evolved opinion. So you put them in a room and say, well, what would you do?
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And they're like, and there was all these reports that no, Bruce Willis and his family are on top of the house with the water, with a water hose. And I go, no, he's not, he's right here.
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Well, it's about time you asked me. And then you and then all of a sudden you take the strong point of view. And the term in Hollywood is he who has the strongest point of view in the room wins. And executives don't have the strongest point of view. But the maverick artist who only can hear the sound of his own voice, he definitely has the strongest point of view. But it's refreshing to them.
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I had a really interesting situation where I had a guy who was an executive who actually directed a movie. And he was talking about like, oh, I've seen these jokers out there. And, you know, what they do isn't so special. I think I could do it. And so he finds a book and then they adapt it. And now he's doing the movie. And he's getting through it. Everything's working fine.
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He's getting through it. And then he realizes the difference between himself and a director because he's dealing with another director about something. Because he's an executive. So he's dealing with another director about another movie. And he asks him a very important question about his movie. And the way he answers it, he realized the difference between him and that director.
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And he goes, I realized, oh. See, he's a real director because he sees the movie. He sees the movie in his head. The question I asked, he went into his head and he saw it. He saw it. And he could actually answer it. Oh, the flower pot is green because he sees the entire picture.
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I don't see it. I'm just doing my best. I see it written, but I don't see the movie in my head. I'm just doing my best with the written material.
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We can change him. We'll make him normal. We can change you.
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And we'll give you all this money if you roll over.
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The Dolph Lundgren exercise video. We worked on the Dolph Lundgren exercise video together. We were PAs on the Dolph Lundgren exercise video.
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Not only that, though. I remember when he first came up with the idea with his partner, Malcolm Barber. Yeah. All right. So he comes in and he's like, hey, we've got a really good idea for a show. So he's he's he's he's describing cops before cops has ever been made.
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And and his first idea was it wasn't called cops. It was called the real Miami Vice. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they defined it. They refined it.
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The guy he's talking about, John Langley, who created Cops, he was a really good customer, and his wife Maggie was really lovely.
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And I heard the story, it came back to me later, that... You know, when I got the deal to make Reservoir Dogs, you know, just little by little through the Manhattan Beach community, they started, you know, hearing, oh, hey, Quentin's making his movie. Quentin got his movie off the ground. He's actually making his movie. He's not at the video store anymore. He's actually making a movie.
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Good for him. And who knows what's going to happen to it, but it's happening. And I think they were having a little dinner party at their house. And then Maggie mentions to John about what happened. Really? That's actually happened? It's actually happening? Yeah. No, they've got production offices and everything. They're making the movie. And he goes, Everybody, raise your glass.
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To Quentin. He did it. Good for Quentin. That's awesome. Raise your glass. I'm getting teary-eyed just even thinking about it.
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Roger's working on a book about his jail experiences that is... Fantastic.
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And you're writing your Robin Hood script, all right? So that's your way to get out of the cell is to write his Robin Hood script.
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No, I consider the pen is the antenna to God.
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I don't think – That is not false. Not that I've ever written an hour-long stand-up comedy show. But I would think that your writing is different than my kind of writing. Sure. I would think as far as writing stuff down, it's like notes and ideas and funny word phrases or this and that and the other. But then you're working it out. You're saying it. You're saying it. You're saying it.
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You're saying it. And then you get your story. Right. And maybe you say it into a recorder. Maybe you do this or you do that. But it probably doesn't even look right when you type it up on a thing. It doesn't look right. No. It's the way you tell the story.
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You can edit. No, that makes a tremendous amount of sense. I mean, we're writing stuff that has to hold up on the page.
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That has to hold up as writing. Right.
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That's exactly what it's like. I've tried to write. So you open up your mind about – 100%. Just let loose on public transportation. Yes, yes.
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Is it you on either typing or whatever, is it you doing that – an eight-page thing on transportation? Or is it more likely that you're just pacing around doing a running monologue on public transportation?
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Well, my little analogy of it is you can't write poetry on a computer.
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Well, because I'm going for a rhythm. Right. I'm going for a rhythm. And there's a connection between my chicken scratch and this paper and this pen as opposed to this other thing. And the more unintelligible and only I can read it, the more legit it kind of is. And the thing is, and it's vomit, right? It's absolutely vomit. When you write by hand, you overwrite.
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You way, way overwrite because you're just getting it out there. Then after all the vomit happens, Then you sit down with a typewriter, or then you sit down with a thing, and now you take the vomit and you tame it. You massage it. And now you make the sentences work. And now there's more creativity. This is a bleh. Okay. Now you make it work like a writer. Now you make the page work.
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Can we stop for a second while we're in the restroom? Yeah. Hey, you have cigars, don't you? Yeah, you want a cigar? Yeah, I would love a cigar.
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He doesn't do anything fun. I'll have a cigar.
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I thought that was a cutter. That looked cool. I was like, is that a cutter or is that brass knuckles?
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But then you add the fact that he's a vegetarian. All the fun shit.
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So three different times you got evacuated from your house? Yeah, yeah, three different times. So what is, like, okay, so you decide what you're gonna take with you, kind of thing?
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I love chickens. I actually really have, I've always actually thought that An exotic pet would be to have, like, a chicken. You know, like one chicken. Yeah. And just, like, treat it like a dog. Hey, that's my chicken. He hangs around.
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You can't have that cool mustache anymore.
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And yeah, because little... You said you read some of Roger's writing when he was in prison. What did you read?
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Well, the thing, I mean, the government has always had a situation where, and we talked about when we did our episode on the Andersonville trial, you know, is... The one charge that the government can put against you where they don't need direct evidence is conspiracy. If they arrest you for conspiracy, that means they don't have direct evidence, but they don't need direct evidence for conspiracy.
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By the way, when I was— Just one thing. That's how they got Manson.
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Well, I believe that, too. Did you read Chaos? Oh, that book's one of the best. Believe me, I read every Manson book that there possibly could read. And then I read that one. I throw the rest of them away in the fucking trash. Chaos is insane. Chaos is just fantastic. And he helped me, too, because my first AD is a friend of his, Bill Clark. Oh, wow.
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And when I was writing the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood book, I go deeper into the Manson stuff. And so I had a couple of little questions in my head that I always kind of wanted to know the answer to. So I got Tom's number and I called him up and I was able to ask him some really super, like, direct questions that can really help my book.
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They put guys in your cell to get you talking about shit.
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Maybe like this, okay, so when Roger, okay, part of the thing on our show, I'm getting back to what Roger's saying, I'm not changing the subject. When we do our show, Ian, the thing is, when we do our show, we talk about three movies, so I pick three video cassettes.
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But the thing is, all right, so it's like there's like the main movie. Then there's that second movie that's like kind of like the main movie. But probably you don't know that much about some wild exploitation thing that I, you know, what the fuck is this? Let's watch it and find out. And one of the things that's about our show is.
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I don't say, hey, Roger, so find these movies and you watch them and I'll watch them and we'll get together and we'll do it on the phone too. Well, no, no, no, we don't do that shit. All right. You know, we get together to watch the movies together.
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The reason we came up with the idea of the show is like when we reconnected, we started doing what we used to do.
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Yeah. And then we were sort of like, well, hey, let's come up with a way we can get paid to do this. All right. You know, so me and Roger will get together and we'll we'll we'll watch three movies and sometimes even four. And then we'll get together. Then we have a day off and then we get together on another day and then we record and we're always in the room when we do it.
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But the thing is, when Roger comes over to watch the film, I've kind of learned. That's like, Roger, I'm starting – it's three movies we're going to watch. I am starting the first movie 20 minutes after you get here because Roger will just get off on some archaic piece of thing. The earth is flat.
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And the next thing you know, all right, it's been an hour and 15 minutes later. And you're getting further and further and further away, all right, from the – The alchemy we're trying to create with the first movie. So now in 20 minutes, I'm hitting play. And that's it. So wrap it up.
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No, even the idea. I mean, one, the fact the idea. The idea that. This has replaced the talk show, the talk shows that we grew up watching and like those guys were the kings. The fact that podcasting, and you're the king of it, but the fact that podcasting has replaced that, but also the fact that
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We bumped into each other a few times, but.
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Not that I need more fucking press on that.
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I've got to tell you, the funniest thing that I've heard for a while on YouTube when I was listening to you guys talk is... He's a guy, I never really listened to his show or anything like that.
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I laughed for 15 minutes and played it back about three different times because I thought that was such a funny comment.
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Well, I think after Roger Ebert said that Brown Bunny was the worst film to ever play in the history of con film.
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I had an interesting thing. You know, it's like, you know, when you live in the Hollywood Hills, you're paying actually, you know, you... pretty decent property taxes. So you get... There's a little vig that comes with it. There's a reason why. You don't have to wait two hours during election. You just go to the local elementary school.
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I heard stories about Bing Crosby arrived at midnight at the theater.
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And there was that little moment in 73 where there was porno chic.
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Yeah, but that wasn't a popular thing. This was. And everyone had to kind of see it. And like, oh, hey, maybe this will be a thing. Right. Right. Maybe this will be a thing now that like, you know, you know, one or three or four porno movies will come out every year. That'll be like kind of considered like real movies, you know, couples will go see.
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And that was a whole thing was. promoting the idea of couples going to see a porn film, either porno films or just heavenly erotic movies. Right. You know, like for sexy, for sexy nights. Yeah. Not like Travis Bickle.
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No, no, no. It's a sexy night. Now we're going to go, we're going to have a sexy night. We're going to go out and see, and then we'll go home and we'll take care of business. Right. Yeah. But it didn't really happen. But there was this hope in the early 70s that that could happen.
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This is real. And now you have to fight for the next five years against the rats. They're in the fucking dungeon with you.
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television at least the television I grew up with was all about like the Familiarity of returning to the characters you love yeah, but there was plenty of characters Yeah, and you did get to return to the ones that stuck around didn't get their heads killed other characters Let me give you another example of my Everyone talks about how great television is now and it's it's pretty good.
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I gotta say it's pretty good, but It's still television to me. And what's the difference between – what's the difference between television and a good movie? Because a lot of the TV now has the patina of a movie. All right. They're using cinematic language, all right, to get you caught up in it. And obviously I'm talking about good shows. We're talking about shows that you're – Ozark.
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You're in and out in five minutes when it comes to election day. But also... It's one of those stupid things that you do that, like, what was the fucking idiot where you turn on the burner and then you, like, leave the room for a while. All right. And then you come back and all of a sudden your kitchen is flaming. All right. And so. Has that happened to you? That happened to me once. All right.
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Shows that you're compelled to watch. Right, right, right. All right. And so, OK, so I'll use an example of a show. I'll use Yellowstone. I didn't really get around to watching Yellowstone the first three years or so. And then then I watched like the first season. Wow, this is fucking great. I've always been a big Kevin Costner fan. He's fucking wonderful in this. All right.
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And I got really caught up in the show and everything. And all of a sudden I'm having a good time. And, you know, I've got a couple of seasons I haven't seen. So I'm watching it. And in the first season, I'm kind of talking about, oh, this is like a movie. This is like a big movie. It's like a big movie. And the guy who writes that is a good writer. There's good, like, punchy monologues and stuff.
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So then I end up watching, like, three seasons of it. And then I even watched that, like, 1883. Oh, this is a good Western show. I like Westerns. But then. After I've watched like two or three seasons or one season of 1883, look, while I'm watching it, I am compelled. I'm caught up in it. But at the end of the day, it's all just a soap opera. They've introduced you to a bunch of characters.
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You actually kind of know all their backstories. You know everybody's connection with everybody else. And they spend some time selling that out. And then everything is just the compellingness of the soap opera of what's happening to this character.
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Well, I'll tell you. Because the thing is... If you watch Edge of Night, Monday through Friday, you get caught up in the dramas of the family and everything. But you don't remember it five years from now. You're caught up into the minutia of it at the moment. All right. So the difference between is... is I'll see a good Western movie and I'll remember it for the rest of my life.
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I'll remember the story. I'll remember this scene or that scene. And it built it built to an emotional climax of some degree. And one, the story is good. It's not just about the interpersonal relationships. The story is good itself. But but but there's a payoff to it. But there's not a payoff on this stuff. It's just more inter interconnectional drama.
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And while I'm watching it, that's good enough. But when it's over, I couldn't tell you. I can remember who the bad guy was in the first season of Yellowstone because it was Danny Houston. I remember him in it, but I don't remember any of the details of it. And I don't remember any of the bad guys for season two or season three. It's out of my head. It's just completely out.
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And same thing with 1883. When I watched the whole thing and that was like a that seemed like a movie, except I don't remember. Sam Elliott's about the only thing I really remember of it when it was finished. But now Red River, I remember for the rest of my life.
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Okay, I'll give you an example of one that is more than a soap opera. And here's the difference. Here's the difference. Okay. Yeah, you could say that. Look, they're in the soap opera business. But I'll tell you one that's not, okay? Okay. If you watch that first season of, here's one that really works like a movie. If you watch the first season of Homeland.
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That first season of Homeland. First season's incredible. Okay. Yeah, very good. When it gets to that final episode of the first season and he's got the suicide vest on and he's in the room, he can kill the guys that he's been waiting for to do it for the whole movie. And you don't want him to die, but you're kind of into him and you kind of want him to pull it off.
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And then his daughter calls him on the phone. before he does it. She doesn't know what he's going to do, but she gets that little sense from him that something's weird. Daddy, you need to tell me that you're going to come home right now. You need to tell me right now that I will see you later tonight. And the entire series has been built to this scene.
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And so the alarm goes off and I hit the button. Let the fire department know. And then I put it out. I put it out like pretty much immediately. And then maybe five minutes later, it could have been three, five minutes later. The fire truck is at my door. So I didn't even have time to say, hey, it's OK now. It's OK. And so there's an entire fire truck at my door.
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And it's one of the most emotional scenes I've ever seen in a movie, in a TV show. I've ever seen dramatized. The first season was great. I've ever seen dramatized. Now, that was a movie. That was not a soap opera. That built to this moment of him being in that fucking room with the suicide vest on. And there was complexity. She doesn't know what she's asking. But we do.
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She's stopping this major thing and she'll never know that.
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And he's still committed. But he's more committed to her. And we know that. That's just great shit. That's a movie.
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Now, I didn't say you can do it every week, but I'm saying when the season's over, I need to walk away with more than just the soap opera. An impactful moment. Exactly. Now, I don't expect you to do that every week, but at the end of the arc, if you're telling a continuing story, at the end of that fucking season, you need to, bam, drop the mic.
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You need to tell me a fucking story, not just dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.
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And look, while I'm watching it, I'm not asking for that. But the fact that it all just disappears once it's over and it's just sand on the beach.
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Here's where it's not a different thing. Part of the thing that makes it different is the fact that everyone's watching these continuing stories, continuing stories, continuing stories. If it were Bonanza, where it's just a set-up story, Charles Bronson shows up. He's a half-breed Indian, and he's working at the Ponderosa for a while.
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And he gets involved in an adventure, and then at the end, it's done. Well, on that show, you have the episodes that are maybe not so good, or the episodes that are whatever, they're treading water. But it's not one continual story. But then you have this great episode with Charles Bronson. Or do they have a great episode with James Cooper? They're almost standalone. That could be.
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That could have been a movie. Yeah. They could have expanded that to a movie. Right.
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#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It's a long, ongoing story that leads to the soap opera aspect.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But it wasn't even the full season. Yeah. But by that point in time, they have now they have all the town characters.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And the thing about it is I'm not. I don't say all this and the sum up of it all is it's useless. It is very compelling while I'm watching it. But it just doesn't compare to a movie, real story that stays with me for the rest of my life in some cases. Right. I know what you're saying. We'll watch a lot of – I try to watch at least one movie every episode that I haven't seen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And sometimes it's like, well, I haven't seen it since I was 12. Right. You know, or I haven't seen it since.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, and I'm expecting not to. I'm tougher on stuff now than I used to be. All right. I was a big champion about. So now I'm not such a champion. Now I see all the problems with it. All right. But I will watch something I haven't seen since I was 22. And I saw it like the day it opened. And I, you know, and I, I watch, you know, I, I watch it again. I think I just lost my train of thought again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I'm talking like I'm stoned and I'm not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Okay, let me set this up a little bit. Yeah, set it up. And then you can take it. Yeah, yeah. It was one of those things where we were doing a thing, a special episode with Eli Roth. We were taking the Italian Jallo thrillers and saying, okay, what are the American versions of Jallo thrillers? And we figured out there was like four of them. And one of them was Dressed to Kill.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And I left them and I go, look, guys, I'm really sorry. I was really stupid. You know, I left the room with the pot on the stove and whatever. And anyway, and so I'm really sorry I wasted your time. I'm really, really sorry I wasted your time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah. And so we get together with Eli. And we're going to watch these four movies. And then it comes down to Dressed to Kill. And I was like, God, I can't even think about how many times I've seen Dressed to Kill. I can't even think how many times he's seen it and how many times that Eli's seen it. I mean, we're just huge Brian De Palma fans and Nancy Allen fans and everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
So like how many fucking times? And so I almost, almost brought up, I mean, do we even need to watch Dressed to Kill?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
We've got three movies. No, okay, let's just watch it. We'll just watch it. That ended up being one of the greatest screenings of Dressed to Kill I've ever seen. All right. In our living room. In my living room watching it with Roger. On VHS. On VHS. Pan and scan. All right. The old Warner Brothers video. We watch them on the actual video cassettes of video archives. All right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
We've seen the movie a bunch of times, but something about watching it with the three of us and then just sitting there and it's so good. But it was Roger who was adding to it. It was Eli that was adding to it. And I was adding to them. And we just had this appreciation for the movie, watching it with the three of us in this situation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The fact that we even considered not even watching it was just like sacrilege.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I mean, you could not, it'd be hard to pick a movie that I've seen as much as Jessica.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, I told Roger when we finished the first season, I go, you know, Roger, if we do this the right way, in three or four years' time, we could be considered like Cisco and eBay. A hundred percent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, they kind of went out of business in their own, for their podcasting thing a little bit. Oh, did they?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, yeah. They kind of turned into a different thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I think some other people as well. They paid us a lot of money to do it, and we actually did pretty good for our little archaic little movie show that goes on about two hours. It's a real niche type... Yeah, and we... Can you guys do Jaws? No, we don't want to do Jaws.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That's exactly it. But the thing is, they were like... So we actually had about like 2 million listeners, which was like, hey, that was pretty good for us for us doing our little stupid movie show about VHS. And it's all about VHS. It's about the VHS.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, and I'm sure they were like, oh, we'll just get a selfie. And they were like, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Your property taxes pay for something. Are you sure you don't want us to come in and just make sure? Yeah, go ahead if you want to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
We watch the film. We talk about the trailers that are in front of the movie. All right. We talk about the transfer.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The three or four different stories or three different stories.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But I think they were expecting us to do like- Jaws, Citizen Kane. They were thinking they'd do like Dax Shepard kind of numbers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But one of the things that was interesting when we did it – okay, so – When we made our deal, we were thinking, okay, well, maybe we'll do it here for two years. And we own the show, and then we want to take it to Patreon so we don't have to do commercials.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And when I did commercials, I did it with a 70s DJ announcer voice, all right? Because I felt like such a sellout that I'm not going to do it in my voice.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The Datsun 750 is coming, and it's coming soon!
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The thing about it, I thought that would be kind of cool, is we go to Patreon, we'll lose a whole bunch of listeners, but... We'll put a 40-minute version of the show out there for free. But if you want to get the whole show, then you've got to subscribe. And if you just subscribe, you get the show. If you pay $5, you get our show. Boom. Boom.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And if you pay $8, then you get an extra special show that we do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But the thing is, though, is what I like, and some people are sort of like, hey, fuck those guys. And I think, well, okay, fine. And look, I get it. I'm the guy that in my 20s would go to happy hour at the bar and nurse a beer while I ate all the pizza and the chicken wings. And that was my dinner. So I get that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And by the way, if you want to wait until the end of our season and then join for a month and listen to all of our shows that way, you can. That's an easy way to do it. You can get everything for free for a month. You can get everything you want in a month. That's not who we're doing it for. We're doing it for the people who care about the show and are subscribing to it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And those people, those are our audience. And then they write on the message board and we write them back. So we're doing it for those people. And as long as we can make enough to just do the show, we're cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And hopefully just genuinely compelling discussions.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You know, it's not it's not it's not a recommend show. We want to pick three movies and we want to discuss them. Yeah. You don't have to like it to discuss it. Even if we don't like the movie, if there's an interesting point of discussion about it, well, that's good. That's all we need. We just need an interesting conversation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It's not about we recommend you watch this movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Personally, I don't care if anybody watches any of the movies that we talk about. I want them to listen to the show and enjoy our back and forth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, if you want to go out and check the movies out afterwards, fine, go ahead. But I don't care if you do or not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And I want at least one of the three movies, not every week, but at least... They're not easy to find. I want to come up with like, well, that's not streaming anywhere. How am I supposed to get this? Well, it's on VHS. Get a VHS recorder and buy it on eBay. And now all of a sudden that little group is like... Well, maybe we can buy a year.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
What? It was actually funny because it was like one of the things that was a crack up. It was like the local fire department when we worked at Video Archives at our video store. The local fire department was a customer. And so they'd rent different movies. But it was almost out of five movies that they would rent, four are pornos.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Hey, maybe if we buy a VHS and then we can we'll burn it and we can trade it with everybody. And now they're all doing the work to do that. Well, good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
She explains how she tracked it down. And you can follow her guide.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
However... When she goes, Quentin, I just couldn't track this one down. I'm like, yes!
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Oh, we watched that. We didn't do an episode on it, but I had the video of that. We watched it. I was with Myra Breckovich. I liked that movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
When she fucks the guy in the ass, that is the best fucking scene. It's pretty wild. I liked that movie so much I read the book afterwards because I thought it was so cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I like the light she has that keeps building up to it. She goes, Was she actually going to finally show her pussy? She goes, well, it looks like the moment of truth has finally arrived. Raquel was just fantastic in that movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Oh, yeah. Those are legendary. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But then you have Gore Vidal fighting with fucking Norman Mailer. What were they fighting about? They'd get them on the Dick Cavett show together. He would talk to him like a poncy bastard, and the other one would talk to him like a Neanderthal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, the thing is, one of the things that, like, and there's a lot of movie shows out there on podcasts and they talk about stuff. And the idea isn't for me to just say, oh, we're better than all those guys. We're not coming from that place. But I'll tell you what bugs me about a lot of the other shows is the fact that the people are sincere. They're completely sincere. Sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
their film knowledge is fucking abysmal. They really don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And especially when they're trying to talk about movies from like the 70s or something, They were usually born in the 80s. So they don't know what something was like when it opened up and they don't really have any context. They definitely don't have context. That's what they don't have.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
They don't have context. They just know whatever they've learned along the way. And so they just yank stuff out of their ass and just and say stuff that's just wrong a lot. They're just misinformation a lot. We actually fact check our shit. All right. You know, we re-record it. All right. To make sure that we just don't yank shit out of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And there is a little bit of yanking stuff out of your ass. But when I'm not sure about it, we look it up. And then if I'm wrong, then we change it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
You can count on what we're saying that we're telling you the truth fucking shit. We're giving you – I consider it as a film expert that I would be – my show wouldn't be worth listening to if I don't tell you the truth. Right. If I don't give you factual information that you can count on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And the thing is, you know, it's like, you know, my my writing guru as far as like film writing. But I think writing in general was the New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael. And she had one. One rule for film criticism, and I think this could apply to all writing, you have to give the reader a compelling reason to read your writing. It's that fucking simple.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, I started officially at 84 because I remember. But you were a customer before. Well, I was a customer before. Yeah. I was a customer before, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
There has to be a compelling reason for you to engage in reading analysis. And the same thing about talking about cinema. You have to give a compelling reason. Now, yeah, I like the guys. That's a good start. I like their personality. I think they're kind of funny. That's a good start. But there has to be something more than that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That's what's exciting. And then when we talk about the movies, we talk about everything that's good about them. We talk about the things that aren't good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Honest. Yeah, very honest. And I can be wrong. I don't have to be right about it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I don't know if I loved it, but I liked it a lot. I have a ton of those. As a matter of fact, I have so many. But when I was younger particularly, I was the champion of the movie that all the critics put down and said was the fiasco.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
He was like one of the champions of Ishtar. Ishtar, I championed in 1941.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Actually, yeah, that's us. That's crazy. Very unfortunate shirt on my part.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Especially comedies. It's like critics... Critics have a thing about spending a lot of money on comedies. It seems obscene to them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Where the budget kind of went south for the most part was the fact that... Like Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman kind of like had their full freight on the movie. So Dustin Hoffman got his high, big salary. Warren Beatty got his high, big salary.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I'm sure. No, no, he's just making that up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It's not unrealistic. It would be like if when they did... During the time when they did Ishar... Tom Hanks was famous, but he wasn't the superstar that he is now. All right. So if that had starred Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari, like the two guys from Bosom Buddies. Yeah. Well, then that movie would have been it would have been it would have cost a lot less and would have been just as funny.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Those guys were terrific together and they would have been really good in that role. And the film would have been seen for what it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I never saw The Postman, but I actually like Kevin Costner. I love Kevin Costner. I think Dance of the Wolves is one of the best movies. Kevin Costner is fucking awesome. I love that dude.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I'm not saying he's right about it because I've never seen it. But now that says something that I've never seen it, but...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But I wouldn't mind seeing it. I'll bet you I'll like it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I'm not a so bad as good guy. You are a so bad as good guy. I'm not a so bad as good guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That's a little ridiculous, but... Yes, the sex scene in the pool is a little ridiculous, but actually, the fact that it's going for a Hollywood movie that it's going there was actually interesting to me. But what I really liked, what I really liked her in it, but when she beats the shit out of that guy, that's so fucking cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
When she beats the shit out of the guy at the end, the guy who fucked over her girlfriend and beat up his girlfriend, and then she does these spinning roundhouse kicks and beats the fucking shit out of the guy. I was like,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It's exciting. Showgirls doesn't sit on a special shelf in my In my heart. All right. All right. But I really liked it when I saw it. I saw it at the theaters. I enjoyed it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, you know, one of the things that... I didn't think film was going to vanish either. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Like I said, that's not the one I would make my case on, but I still don't like it. That's not my test case.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Okay, but just watching A Loose with Berkley's Tits, all right, in a big studio movie like this, flopping up and down, I'm getting my money's worth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But one of the things, though, that was the...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Actually, I'm not thinking about it from his point of view. I'm thinking about it from the water hitting her face. I'm thinking from her point of view. That's the unrealistic part. That's true.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Proper. There was this... I mean, it's actually really interesting because it's, like, one of those things where...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Drop it on the counter.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
death keel to video stores that no one ever like when they're talking mom and pop when they're talking old people uh to like hey you know you you've retired from your business you've got a nice little nest egg if you want it if you want to invest in a nice little business where you get to work with your neighborhood and be in a nice little store with your family you know video stores that's a that's a good business
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
It was a cocaine dealer. And the thing is, we'd let him take the movies out and come back whenever he wanted.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah. And he would come in and he'd get his films and then he would like either open up a little like a skull can. Yeah. All right. With a bunch of Coke.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Boom. All right. There you go, boys.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And for the first time, because we're minimum wage kids, for the first time we actually had
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
fuck you coke all right we actually had access to coke in a way that we could never afford like for about a few months because those relationships don't last that long no no no cocaine relationships never last but for a few months we're like holy shit we're in the we're in the fucking you know we're we're in the powder well he there was a party once that he came to and he brought a again a rock of cocaine and a live hand grenade
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That was a fun party. And his name was Tuttle. And we always described excess as Tuttle. Okay, we're getting into a Tuttle situation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That was actually even kind of an interesting situation because like. It was also one of those things where like, I was actually really kind of proud of us because we all kind of like, woo, we all kind of went nutty for like a little bit with this kind of like more access to coke than we normally would have.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Ever had. Because we can't afford that shit. All right. And so we all kind of went nuts for like a little bit about it. And then we all kind of like, okay, let's.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Let's bring it together. Well, that's great. Let's bring it together. And we also saw some other people who were like, who let it get the best of them. Yes. And they got really kind of.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
So we all like, okay, let's pull back. Let's get control of this. And we all did. It was all collectively. We all kind of just got our shit together and put it in the rearview mirror.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
That didn't mean we didn't do it, but we just, it was, we controlled it. Contrary to your goals. We'll stay with pot. We'll stay with pot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
My thing about Coke was I wanted to have excess or I wasn't that interested in it. Yeah, you want to take it to 12. No, I wanted to have a big pile of it and we're doing it all fucking night.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
I don't know anything about movies. Well, you have people who help you, you know, help you choose the titles and everything. So there's a lot of people that like invested in this stuff. And it seemed like a good idea. The reason that it seemed like a profitable idea was the idea like, well, you know, I sell you this video cassette. And you pay for the videocassette.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Until the straw is bloody. Okay, now I'm stopping now because the straw got bloody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, there's a whole speech in Apocalypse Now when – Brandos Kurtz tells the story of going into the village and inoculating all the children in the village, shooting their arms with, you know, flu shots or something like that. You're inoculating them. And then the soldiers came in and then hacked off all the kids' arms. And then there's like a little pile of arms.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And Kurt says, you know, so we did all that. Then we came back in the village the next day and we saw the little pile of all the little arms in there where they hacked them off. And I cried like a baby. Then I started thinking, the genius of that. The genius of that. Because... These are not monsters. They're not demons. These are men doing a job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And they had the force of will to take the job and take it to its logical conclusion of what they had to do. I'm not condoning what Kurtz is saying. Kurtz is a fucking crazy person. But I'm interested in his perspective. Of course that would be Kurtz's perspective. He's speaking about true power. He's a god. He's a god worshipped by these natives.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
He's completely lost his mind in the fog of war. But he's talking like Genghis Khan.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But the minute you rent it past the point where you paid for the videocassette yourself, then everything else is you. All that other money that you make from here on in is just all profit once you pay for the actual cassette. Of course, you'll have some cassettes that don't rent as well. But that's the way it works out. But it should work out great.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Well, again, that sounds like a pretty good business model. Well, if I spend this money and then five years from now, boom, everything is a profit. Where it all fell apart is the idea that you always have to get new shit. Because, like, life... It's not a bookstore. Well, bookstores need to get new stuff, too, but it's not a library. Life doesn't stand still.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Okay, so I go on a show and I said that I like Joker 2. Well, I say I like Joker 2, and now there's 150 articles that come out, all these cannibalized articles. One person listens to the thing and writes an article about it, and then there's 150 rip-off articles.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
on that, and then you read the comments that say, man, Quinn's a fucking asshole, that movie's fucking suck, man, he's a fucking asshole for saying that. Why am I a fucking asshole? I like the fucking movie. That makes me a fucking asshole? It's crazy. You either like the movie or you don't, all right? And I'm not plugging the movie. I'm not doing anything, all right? I'm just saying I like it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Who gives a fuck what I like? What do you care what the fuck I like? But then I'll say I didn't see something. Well, he's a fucking asshole, all right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Someone will say something like, well, I think he's fucking missing out. Well, I'm sure there's a lot of shit I can say that you're missing out on, and I don't care if you miss out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
A film that I saw that was very meaningful to me this year. I really like the story of Bo Jess, the French Foreign Legion story. I like French Foreign Legion movies in any old way. But that's a really cool story. And I really like the whole story of the three brothers in there. And I was familiar with the Gary Cooper version, the 1939 version. Put it on a stamp.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
But I'd never seen the silent version. And it starred Ronald Coleman. And I watched the silent version recently afterwards. And I was blown away by it. The storytelling was so epic and was so visually just beautiful. And we have a little micro cinema in the theater I have, one of the theaters I have in Los Angeles, the Vista. And it's like a little 20-seat cinema that we just show VHS and 16mm.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Yeah, it's like the Video Archives Cinema Club. And it's like, literally, it's like the brick-and-mortar version of Video Archives, but just like a little Paris... Back Avenue.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And the thing is, last week we showed the silent version of Bo Jest in it. And I wasn't there at that screening, but I asked the guy who was our manager, they're mad. I said, how did it go? He goes... Quinn, you would have really loved to have been there for that screening. And I go, well, what? And he goes, it was so moving.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
The end of it, and it is really moving, and it's just like nobody was talking. It was just silent. You could hear a pin drop, and then it was over, and everyone was still kind of in this collective emotional state, and they just all kind of left the theater, and they'd just seen something emotional. And they all kind of just moved out into the lobby and in this emotional state.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And it was like, that sounds fucking fantastic. That's amazing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Roger would say, Blade Runner should be called Blade Crawler. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
Every month, there's new titles coming out, and you have to be competitive, and you have to get the new titles. And so... Even if that were the issue, that wouldn't be that big of a deal. But if you're a mom and pop star, you only have so much room.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
He was such a prick about shit. He's a completely different guy. Now he bends over backwards to be nice about stuff. I go, who the fuck is this guy?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
What's happened with our show that I think is really cool, again, from the fans that follow it and everything, is... In our first season, we ended up covering about 70 movies. you know, all together. And we mentioned a zillion movies in the course of a show. But like, you know, we covered about 70 movies all together between the three movies that we did over the course of like 26 episodes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
And we kind of created new classics at least amongst the people who followed the show because they followed it and they liked it and they, you know, watched some old Mexican horror movie like Demono and they're like, hey, that was pretty cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2240 - Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino
We put it down. If you tried to look at anything about it, it would all be shitty reviews about it and everything. But then we talked about it with passion. And then we gave the right context in which to appreciate the movie. It's a killer hand movie. We gave the right context in which to appreciate the movie. And then the people appreciated it under that right context.