Pierre Poilievre
Appearances
The Dan Bongino Show
Trump Is Setting The Old World Order Ablaze (Ep. 2414)
Results are in on the prime minister's radical liberalization of hard drugs. He teamed up with the BCNDP to decriminalize fentanyl crack and heroin. He lowered jail sentences for mass producers of deadly fentanyl. And 80% of the fentanyl made in Canada is done so using ingredients that are not even regulated, but come right into our country where they're cooked into that poison.
The Dan Bongino Show
Trump Is Setting The Old World Order Ablaze (Ep. 2414)
Now threatening our trade relationship with the U.S., will he reverse his radical liberal drug agenda to save lives and jobs?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
You take the total business investment of the United States divided by the total number of workers in America, it's 28 grand. In Canada, it's 15 grand. The Canadian worker gets about 55 cents for every dollar of his American, and they're both measured in USD. In Vancouver, more money goes to bureaucrats than goes to the carpenters, electricians, and plumbers who build the place.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, first of all, people... There's the bad news and the good news. The bad news is that people feel like they've done absolutely everything right and their lives are trapped. Young people say, look, okay, I went through, I got an education, I work nonstop, and I have made the calculation that there is no mathematical path for me to own a house. It's just not possible.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
In Toronto here, for example, If you take the average income and the average house price, it would take you 29 years to save up for a down payment. For a down payment. For a down payment, not to pay it off. Forget paying it off. And so if you're a young woman who's got a biological clock, obviously, well, do the math. You start off at, let's say, you're 25.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, you're going to be in your 50s before you can afford the average house. So how are you ever going to have kids?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That's what they used to think about downsizing. And they usually had their house paid off back by the time they were in their early 50s. So just to show how dreadfully things have worsened. That's the picture of the youth. Then there's the kind of middle-aged people who do have kids already and they're terrified of the dangers in the streets.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I mean, our streets are just being overtaken by drugs and gangsterism and other dangers and they want safety again. and then you have business owners that are saying there's just no way to continue to compete in Canada. We have to look at moving, and that means the next 200 jobs we create is going to be in Ohio or Florida or some other place than Canada. That's the kind of overview that I get.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
The good news, though, is that... people do now have some hope. They think that things can be turned around, and they have clearly and correctly diagnosed the problem, which is entirely political. There is no physical, geographic, reason why Canada should struggle to supply people with great opportunities of home ownership and family formation.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
In fact, we should be the richest country in the world. And people increasingly know that, and they know that if we make the right, albeit difficult, political decisions, that they will once again be able to do as their parents did, which is to say, get a house, start a family, live in a safe neighborhood, raise their kids with good traditional values.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That's another thing I'm finding is that a lot of people are really getting back to those values that we were told were unfashionable. They want, you know, young people today, they want to have families.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
We are winning among youth. In fact, the youth were the first to come on board with me. My rallies were overwhelmingly populated with youth, which is not normal for conservatives. And the reason is, is because in your youth, of course, as you write it, young people want to have the adventure of their lives. They want to go into the wilderness and...
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
earn a living and bring it home and raise kids and have a purpose that's bigger than just short-term short-termism and I think you know 20 years ago the socialists would go to university campuses and say vote for us and we'll let you be a kid forever we'll give you free stuff and
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
you never you'll ever have to get a job and that was very temporarily popular across the western world but then young people woke up and found out this was not a utopia it was a total dystopia and that all the things that they really valued and wanted for their lives were impossible when they were being born down upon by this massive state um they've learned that that that that help is the sunny side of control and um
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And so now young people are, I love this. This is great news. Our young people are saying, I want to start a business. I want to invent something. I want to create things. I want to become a tradesman. And then when I get good enough at that, I want to hire five other tradesmen. And by the time I retire, I want to have 300 employees. And then I want to give that company to my kids.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
These are the stories that I hear when I go out and about in Canada. And the great news is we can have all those things. That's the optimistic message that I have for people. But we've got... a limitless supply of resources here. We're like a cornucopia. You know, the third biggest supply of oil, fifth biggest supply of natural gas, biggest supply of uranium, fifth biggest supply of lithium.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
We've got not one, not two, not three, but four coasts to tidewater. We live next to the biggest military and economic superpower the world has ever seen. We have a highly educated population and the best system of system of government in the history of the world, the parliamentary system. Not the best government, but the best system of government.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So all these massive advantages, we just need to unleash that potential.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And they're definitely doing their part. Like they really are. You know, it's always been a habit of older people to say, you know, oh, the youth these days. When I look at the young people today, All they do is work.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I am astonished when I meet young university students how much they work outside of their studies just to scrape by, how many hours of labor they do as waitresses or in another service job so that they can pay their bills way more than when I was a student 25 years ago.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And now these kids are working 20, 30 hours a week in addition to a full course load. And they look exhausted. When I meet young people today, they are exhausted. They have bags under their eyes and all they do is work. And the worst part about it is not that they're working all the time. It's that they don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And that's what it does right now.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
It's really incredible. Like 10 years ago, the New York Times wrote an article, welcome to Canada, home of the world's most affluent middle-class. And in that article, the Times had calculated that median American and Canadian incomes were tied and that Canadians were slightly better off. And now part of that was because of the 08, 09 financial crisis hit them harder than it hit us, but still.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Now, per capita GDP in the States is $22,000 higher than in Canada, measured in USD. So that's about almost 30,000 measured in- Right, so that's a whole other income, essentially.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That's a whole other part-time income. Exactly. Yeah. And then, as you correctly point out, their real estate is significantly cheaper than ours. So their dollars go a lot further, even when you match up the exchange rates. And what's worse than that is that the leading indicators are even more horrific. And leading indicators, for example, are investment dollars. Because...
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Your wealth tomorrow is determined by your investment today. So if your employer, for example, is buying lots of new tools and technology, you're going to be able to crank out more widgets. So you crank out those widgets, then you can ultimately make more income down the road.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
If you take business investment and divide it by the number of workers, the American worker gets $28,000 of investment measured in U.S. dollars.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Per worker. Or per year? Per worker, per member of the labor force.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So you take the total business investment of the United States divided by the total number of workers in America, it's 28 grand. In Canada, it's 15 grand. So the Canadian worker gets about 55 cents for every dollar of his American, and they're both measured in USD.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That's investment in- in machines, in technology, warehouses, factories. I see. Any capital investment that businesses make divided by the number of workers, that's the measurement. So now that means they're getting better technology, better new machines, better tools than our workers, and they will be able to crank out even greater wages for their people than we will unless we catch up with that.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
um our productivity is another major problem like right now and that's productivity sounds complicated it's actually extremely simple you just take the gdp and you divide it by the hours worked in the country so american gdp is eighty dollars so for every hour an american worker works on average he produce he or she produces eighty dollars of gdp the gdp in canada it's 50. So that's every hour.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So that means we have to work 60% more just to make the same amount and have the same level of income to buy food and housing. Now, that sounds like a bunch of wonk speak that might seem like it only matters to someone staring at a spreadsheet or a graph or a...
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And to add insult to injury, tradespeople who build homes can't afford to live in them. Why is it that we're still importing oil when we've got the world's third biggest supply? Why is it we can't export our natural gas
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
a chart, but in fact, that's reflected in the fact that our 2 million people are lined up at food banks because they can't afford food, and 80% of youth can't afford homes, and our quality of life is, and the things we can afford to provide our kids have fallen back so much.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I mean, I think housing costs are another one. I mean, there was a study out just 10 days ago that has Toronto and Vancouver now by far the most unaffordable housing markets in North America. And so housing costs are 50% higher in Toronto than they are in Chicago, even though Chicago workers make 50% more money. The same is true between Vancouver and Seattle.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Seattle workers make way more than Vancouver workers, but housing is 60% or 70% more expensive in Vancouver. So on all the measures— Right, so we're making less by a lot.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yes, and we're paying the difference by accumulating enormous quantities of debt. Our households are by far the most indebted in the G7. When you take, you divide total household debt by GDP, we now have a bigger stock of household debt than our entire economy. We are more indebted as households than the Americans were right before the 08 financial crisis.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And so what we have as a model in Canada is we have artificial scarcity imposed by a very heavy and restrictive state, confiscatory state, that suppresses production. But in order to allow for consumption, we print money and borrow money and then flood the economy with that money.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
It's horrible. Inflation is the single most immoral tax for so many reasons. One, it takes from savers and people who are trying to be responsible, thus making it impossible to be responsible. Because if you refuse to play the inflation game of borrowing money to buy things you can't afford, someone else inevitably will, and you won't be able to afford anything.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So you ultimately have to act irresponsibly. It's like Milton Friedman was asked, what would you do with your money in times of inflation? He said, spend it. Like the first thing you want to do when inflation is out of control is to make sure you get rid of this thing that's losing its value.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
The second reason it's immoral is it takes from the poor because the poorest people cannot put, they do not have the ability to buy inflation-proof assets like gold and real estate and fancy watches and art collections and fancy wines and things that go up with or even exceed inflation. So it's a very big wealth transfer from the poor and the working class to the very, very wealthy.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
A very small group of people actually get richer.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yes. I mean, all the socialist policies, in practice, redistribute from the working class to the super wealthy. In practice. And I can prove that again and again and again. But not in theory. In practice. Yeah. In practice, all the redistribution that happens in these so-called socialist countries ultimately goes from the working class to the super wealthy. That is the reality.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But just one last thing on inflation. The final reason why it's so immoral is nobody votes on it. The basic principle of our parliamentary system is the government can't tax what parliament has not voted. The people must, no taxation without representation, right? But no one ever votes. to have the money printing happen.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And so the inflation is adopted secretly and you blame the grocer because groceries are more expensive or your local gas station because gas is more, or your realtor, because how is, I mean, in fact, it was actually the government that bid up all of those things with money printing and you didn't even know about it.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So it is silent, it's a silent thief that takes from the poor and gives to the richest people. um, and it destroys the working class. Uh, and that's why I am, I want to crush inflation. We need a policy that seeks to just, just to stop inflation at all, at all costs.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, we stopped the money printing, you know, we need a, we need, and, and the money printing is just a means to fund deficit spending. Government's Borrow.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So basically the deficit is the difference between what the government spends and what it brings in.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, the debt is just the accumulation of the deficits.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So the deficit right now is $62 billion. Right.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I guess not. And look, there are very real present-day consequences for that. Deficits increase the money supply. Central banks effectively facilitate that increase in the money supply. And that causes inflation. And, you know, it's... It's why our, you know, I have a buddy whose family moved here from Italy back in 1973.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
His father worked paving roads and his mother made sandwiches in a senior's home. They were able to pay off their home 10 minutes from Parliament Hill in seven years.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
their grandchildren wouldn't be able to save up a down payment for that home in 15 years. And they will be university educated with all the advantages of having been here two decades. That is the consequence of the money supply growing vastly quicker than the stuff that money buys. So what we have to do is stop growing the money supply and start growing the stuff money buys, right?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Produce more energy, grow more food, build more homes. We have to unleash the free enterprise system to produce more stuff of value. And this is where we have to remove the artificial scarcity that the government is imposing on the population. Let's incentivize our municipalities to grant the fastest building permits in the world to build homes.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yes. I mean, I'm going to say to the municipal governments, they either speed up permits cut development charges and free up land, or they will lose their federal infrastructure money. So they will have a powerful carrot and stick incentive to speed up home building.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yes, that includes everything. So I'll tell you how they calculate it. CD Howe, took the cost of building, compared the cost of building a home to the cost of buying a home. And he said, what's the gap between those two things? So they added up land, labor, profit for the developer, materials, and they compared that to the sale price. And they found the gap was $1.2 million.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So that's $1.2 million of extra cost above and beyond the materials, the labor, the land, and the profit for the developer. So where's that going? Well, the answer is development charges, sales taxes, land transfer taxes, the delays in getting the permit, time is money, the consultants, lawyers, accountants, lobbyists that the developer has to hire in order to get the approval.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So in other words, we're spending twice, in Vancouver, We spend twice as much on bureaucrats than we do on all other things combined to build a home. More money goes to bureaucrats than goes to the carpenters, electricians, and plumbers who build the place. And to add insult to injury, those tradespeople who build homes can't afford to live in them. So what we need to do is slash the bureaucracy.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And I'm going to say to the mayors, you're not getting federal infrastructure money until you slash your development charges, speed up your permits. I'm going to take the federal GST off new homes under a certain limit and encourage the provinces to do the same. But we've got so much land. We should have the most affordable housing in the world.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
It should be dirt cheap because we have the most dirt. We just need to get the government out of the way. The same goes for our resource sector. Why is it that we're still importing oil when we've got the world's third biggest supply? Why is it we can't export our natural gas overseas?
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, you look at the price of natural gas is three to five times higher in both Europe and Asia than it is in North America, which means there's a hell of a lot of profit to arbitrage in getting our product over there. In the last 10 years, the Americans have added, I think, six liquefaction plants. The Qataris have massively increased their production.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Basically, uh, we have two parts to my professional life. It's very, uh, bifurcated. There's the parliament hillside, which is, you know, early morning meeting with my leadership team, house leader, deputy leader, whip, et cetera, to plan out the day, uh, the battle plan for our parliamentary committees, question period, et cetera. Um,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Canada has not completed a single new liquefaction facility. There's one that's supposed to come online soon in Kitimat that was approved by the Harper government. It's only now coming online. The Germans actually built an import terminal in 194 days from concept to completion.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
We've had direct formal requests for our natural gas from Japan, Greece, Germany, France, and I'm probably missing some others. We have the fifth biggest supply. We have cold weather, which makes it much cheaper to liquefy gas. It takes 11 days to ship to Asia from BC. It takes 20 days from the US Gulf Coast. So it's basically half the shipping time.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Exactly. Which also will help with data centers. Data centers, which we're going to need data centers for AI and blockchain and countless other things that we have the energy for. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to power these data centers. Apparently, a... a chat GPT inquiry is 10 times more energy intensive than a Google inquiry. So I think it's 2.9 watt hours
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
that is necessary to answer one chat GPT question. It's only 0.3 watt hours to process a Google search.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Right. Well, we have a lot of artificial intelligence in government as well, but it's a different kind. Yeah, yeah. But we could be powering these data centers with Canadian natural gas generators, with nuclear. We have the biggest supply of uranium. We invented the can-do technology. We have the incredible nuclear physicists and engineers. 60% of Ontario's energy already comes from nuclear.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So we could be powering these facilities, and they're just beasts that are going to gobble up electricity.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Right. I mean, Facebook, I understand they're looking at building their own nuclear plant to power.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I didn't know that.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
We have about 250 data centers in Canada We could do a hell of a lot more. And our secret sauce is our energy, our incredible supply of energy of all kinds, hydro, nuclear, natural gas, you name it. So let's unleash the production of these resources and bring all that money home.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, you know, National Bank did a study. If you want to talk to these environmental loons that hate our energy sector, they said, the great economist Stefan Mariano out of Calgary, National Bank said, if we displaced half of the electricity demand that India will have,
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That is punctuated by one weekly caucus meeting and just the daily prosecution of the government, which is the quintessential role of an opposition leader. And then the other part to my life is touring. I asked my assistant today how many events we had done over the last year, and he said it was exactly 600. A few weeks ago, it was 570-something. So we've done 600 events, and those are like...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
added to its grid over the next 20 years by supplying our natural gas instead of them using coal, it would reduce global emissions by 2.5 billion tons, which is three times the emissions of all of Canada.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So in other words, by exporting our gas, which is half as emissions intensive as coal, we could do far more than we could even do if we shut our entire economy down and disappeared from the earth. So why don't we address the environment with energy abundance instead of energy poverty?
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That was last year's deficit.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And that's on top of having among the highest taxes in the world with our 53% highest marginal tax rate plus carbon tax, plus high payroll taxes, plus high business taxes, plus high capital gains taxes. They're taking in more money than ever before. They've squeezed the taxpayer out of every last dime and they're still $62 billion short. And that's just one level of government, by the way.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Then the provinces have deficits that compound the federal one. So we have way too much government, and we need to reduce the size and cost of government and unleash the power of the free market.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And this is not, it sounds like one of those sort of annoying things that bothers us all, but isn't very substantive. You know, you think these, you know, one guy is making 600 bucks an hour. Were... spending $21 billion on federal government consultants alone. That's $1,400 per Canadian family in federal taxes just for consultants per year. That's recurring. That's not a one-time cost.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So it is an insane amount of money to be spending on that, especially when you have more bureaucrats to supposedly do the work. And arguably, they're delivering worse results than ever before. I mean, our border is more porous. Our military has been weakened. And our basic services— Weakened or devastated. Well, you could put it either way.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I mean, it's been, I think it's definitely been weakened. And despite the heroism of the men and women who still serve, the political leadership has undermined it in every possible way.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
tours at mills, mines, factories, farms, high-tech facilities. And we tour in, see how the place operates. Then I give a short speech, do a question and answer. And then I just mull about and shake hands with the workers for 25 minutes to an hour. And then I go on to the next stop and do it all over again. And we did that in... nine provinces and two territories this year.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Oh, by far in... We had a population growth of 1.2 million in 2023. That's on a base of 40 million people. So it's an astonishing number of people to bring in in one year. Everyone now admits that this was a calamity for housing, the job market, and our healthcare system. Well, Trudeau himself walked it back recently. He walked it back.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yes. This is after he called everyone who questioned his immigration policy a racist.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And then he adopted the policies that he was calling racist only a year and a half earlier. So...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So, okay, so now this is... Yeah, that's making a comeback too, God.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I mean, the PQ is now leading in the polls in Quebec after they had been completely obliterated in the Harper era. Separatism was completely dead in Quebec, and now it's making a resurgence.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, I mean, it's interesting that the leader of the PQ has actually been making economic arguments in favor of separatism. They used to always try to avoid that because most Quebecers would say, well, clearly we'd be worse off economically if we left.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But because Trudeau has been such, and Freeland and the entire liberal gang in Ottawa, has been such a colossal disaster for our national economy, the separatists are now able to... make the argument that they would be better off separating from that calamity. Maybe that was the plan all along. Maybe. I intend to reverse that argument by making our economy strong again.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But it really is astonishing to see how badly things have changed in every respect.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, I mean, what I'm about to say is not a shock to anyone. We have a prime minister who is dedicated to an extremely radical ideology. It is just a rehashed socialism that has been discredited again and again and again throughout the ages. And his Basically, authoritarian socialism has guided him throughout his entire prime ministership.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
He believes in a state that controls every aspect of your life, your money, your speech, your thought. It controls the economic, all of the industries of the country. And every time that has been tried, it is a complete disaster. So there's no mystery involved. It is the same old story. disastrous outcome that results from the same old disastrous policies.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And so that's a summary of my workload and work plan to do my job.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, let's first of all shed a brief tear for Jagmeet Singh, because the problem he has is that he's trying to be an NDP leader and we already have an NDP prime minister. I mean, Justin Trudeau is, he's actually much more radical than the traditional NDP leader.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yes, he attacked the NDP for, Trudeau attacked the NDP for being too conservative. Yeah. But because he had the comfortable blanket of the Liberal Party, which governed for most of the last century, people didn't realize what kind of radical they were dealing with. Yeah. The second problem Jagmeet Singh has is that all of his political ideology is implemented now. Yeah, right. And we're seeing it.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
People look around and say, okay, this is what it looks like. The utopia of the NDP has been spinning in the corner of parliament. They told us everything was going to be free and wonderful and just, and there would be... Racial equity. There would be unicorns and butterflies and rainbows, and this would be the utopia. Well, now all of their policy agenda- We have quite a few rainbows, though.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
All of their agenda is implemented, and people look around, and it's a hellscape. You know, we have 1,400 homeless encampments in Ontario, 35 in Halifax. We have hate crimes are up 253% in the last nine years. The military is decimated, wages are dropping. Like it's, the list goes on. And so Jagmeet Singh is trying to disown that ideology, even though that it belongs to him.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, first of all, you get a practical insight into how the country actually works. Like, who makes the widgets? How do those get made? How does our supply chain come together? What skill sets do these incredible workers have? What background qualified them to be a licensed worker?
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And he's trying to make some, trying to unsuccessfully, to convince people that he's somehow different than that, when in fact, Trudeau has only been doing what Singh would have done in his place. And so it is a classic for socialists. What they try to do is change their names and move on and try to forget, have everyone forget their past.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
When I say that socialists changed their names, I mean, first they were communists, and then they became socialists, and then they became social democrats, and then they stole the world liberal, and then they ruined that word, so they changed their name to progressives, and then they changed their name to woke, and now they claim they don't want to be called woke anymore. Mm-hmm.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
The socialists always try to disown the things they've done because it's manifestly disastrous. And that is what Singh is trying to do while simultaneously keeping Trudeau's government going. He voted just a couple of weeks ago against a non-confidence motion that I put forward, which contains Singh's own criticisms of Trudeau in Singh's own words.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So he voted against his own words to keep Trudeau in power.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I mean, he's not a very good negotiator, that's for sure.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And what we are seeing is all of these egomaniacs in both the NDP and what we now call the Liberal Party, are turning on each other because they all want to disown their collective record. All of them want to say, oh, I wasn't part of this.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And whether it's the outgoing finance minister, Freeland, or Mark Carney, who's been writing the financial plan behind the scenes, or Jagmeet Singh, they're all trying to say, I wasn't there. I wasn't part of it. I'm something completely different than what you see. And That is just an illustration of how much of a disaster their agenda has been.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And I think that's why we're doing so well and we're going to defeat them. And Canadians will give me a mandate to take the country in a completely opposite direction.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
welder or to run a CNC machine or to be the CEO of a 300-person company that supplies parts into the American economy. And that practical insight, I think, is important if you want to lead a government and a national economy. So you learn a lot. Then I get to hear the stories of the people who work in these places and get their feedback on what they want, what their dreams and aspirations are.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So Parliament's back in late January. It will take some weeks to actually get a non-confidence vote onto the floor of the House of Commons. Then we'll see if Jagmeet Singh's latest promise of voting non-confidence was as insincere as his prior commitments to that effect.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
In February. So he's now, basically, he said yesterday that he would put forward a non-confidence motion at the earliest opportunity. Well, that's likely to be March, which is... Oh, that's convenient.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Singh will not vote non-confidence before... he gets his pension, or at least he will not vote non-confidence in a way that sees the election happen before his pension kicks in. So we won't have an election before very late winter, early spring.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Then there's the possibility that the Trudeau resigns and then goes to the governor general and says, we need to shut down parliament while the liberal party then chooses a new replacement. a Trudeau 2.0. And so there would be a leadership race.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Yeah, probably. And during which time we'd continue to flounder and twist, twist in the wind. And by the way, you know, the liberal media is all saying, well, surely you wouldn't want to trigger an election during the liberal leadership race. Excuse me, the Canadian people are not obliged, 41 million people are not obliged to wait around while this party sorts out its shit.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
These guys could have got rid of Trudeau a year and a half ago. They knew he was a disaster then. And now they say, well, we're low in the polls, so we have to get rid of him. Now, you didn't care when he was just depriving single mothers of food for their kids or doubling housing costs or unleashing crime in neighborhoods across the country. But now...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
You're really concerned about getting rid of him because your poll numbers are down. You want to keep your job. Sorry, that's not a good reason to paralyze the entire country in the face, by the way, of a major negotiation with the incoming U.S. president who enters with a massive and powerful mandate and a man who has proven that he can spot weakness from a mile away.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So the country should not be forced to wait for the Liberal Party to to clean up its own mess. They've had plenty of time to do that. What we need now is certainty. And the only way that can come is through an election so the people can decide.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
After accepting it. After accepting it. Well, so the chronology that we're led to believe, based on sources who've spoken about it to the media... is that Carney agreed to the job. Trudeau went to Freeland days before she was to introduce her fall update and said, I'm going to be firing you to bring in Mark Carney.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And then when that blew up with her unexpected premature resignation, then Carney looked at it and said, I don't want any part of this. And he... crawled under his desk. And so he was happy to take the job when it looked like it was a clear path, but then when it was a messier path, he hid from it.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
It's a good question.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Who would want to associate with these guys?
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
They've squeezed the taxpayer out of every last dime, and they're still $62 billion short.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Look, he's going to try and distance himself now, but here's the problem. He signed on as Trudeau's economic advisor. It's an official role he holds today. Now, he's going to make one of two arguments. One, he's going to say, yes, in fact, I was his economic advisor, and therefore I am responsible for the $62 billion deficit and the catastrophic growth, the rising cost of living.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Or he's going to say, I wasn't really his advisor. I was just full of it. You know, he has to decide. Was he lying to everybody when he claimed he was Trudeau's advisor? Or was he telling the truth? And either way, he's got a major political problem that he is now totally inseparable from the Trudeau record. He supports the carbon tax. He supports the attack on our energy sector.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
He told me in a parliamentary committee that he opposed Canadian pipelines, even though his company has invested in pipelines in the Middle East and in Brazil. He is part of the Davos agenda. He's just every bit as radical as Trudeau. The only difference is he's got a nice business banker's haircut and suit, and he wears navy blue socks rather than polka dot socks.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But beyond the aesthetics, he shares Trudeau's entire ideology, and he represents the status quo.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
They get the party, I get the hangover.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Are you trying to dissuade me from taking this job?
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So my plan is pretty clear. We're going to cut bureaucracy, cut the consultants, cut foreign aid, cut back on corporate welfare to large corporations. We're going to use the savings to bring down the deficit and taxes, unleash the free enterprise system. We're going to repeal C-69. That's the anti-energy law.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
to cause a massive resource boom in our country and make it attractive for business to do the value added work here in this country. So we're gonna, part of it's gonna be growing out of this mess. You know, if you take a national, the debt to GDP ratio, you have the denominator has to grow.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And that's why we need a bigger, more powerful GDP that can fund our country and diminish the relative size of our deaths. We're going to bring back a... monetary discipline to bring down inflation, stop the money printing, and we're going to incentivize the municipalities to get building.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But it's going to be a big fight with all of these things because there are so many vested interests that will be trying to hold us back. So many small economic groups that have profited off the status quo, they will be fighting against me. And I'm going to have to put out a call to Canadians that they have to stay politically active. They can't assume that simply by changing
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
by voting in an election that everything is going to, all the problems are going to reverse instantaneously. Like I will need people to put pressure on the Senate to adopt my economic reforms. I will need people to put pressure on their mayors and local counselors to get out of the way and let us build homes. I will need businesses to actually do their part.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I mean, our corporate Canada is so completely incompetent when it comes to politics. They're going to have to start to fight for the policies that are good for their workers more aggressively. And I've said that to them. They need to fire their incompetent lobbyists and actually go to the people and make the arguments for the reforms that I'm talking about.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
They're starting to understand because they know that what they have been doing hasn't worked.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
They're idiots. They're complete idiots. The big five... oil companies in Canada have idiot lobbyists. They have brilliant workers, incredible workers, but idiot lobbyists. And they've been trying to suck up for the last 10 years and did nothing to support the right policies in the prior years. So that's going to have to change. The developers are going to have to inform
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
people in the cities, why housing costs so much? How is it possible that Olivia Chow can raise development charges by 30% and nobody in Toronto knows about it? Well, it's because the builders have not made it known. And so the builders take the blame when the housing costs go up. I mean, sorry, you have to actually, politics is a participation sport, not a spectator sport.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So our business community is going to have to step up and make the argument for these changes. Or I will come up against a lot of political barriers. So my message to everyone is, God willing, I will triumph in the election. But the people who want the changes that I'm talking about are going to have to stay politically active to push them through and over the finish line.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So, you know, there's a lot of discretion. You make up your mind when you wake up in the morning. You read the news. I have a team that gives me a full briefing of all the published news from the mainstream media, all the news from the independent and ethnic media, a download of the entire social media landscape. And then...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, listen, I'll go through some of the names. For example, we've got Andrew Scheer, who was the party leader a few years ago, but he actually did a good job as party leader and learned a lot in that process. He was the Speaker of the House, and that's important in a House leader.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
He knows the rules of the game because a lot of the stuff that gets done or doesn't get done is the result of procedural mistakes So you need someone who understands procedure and he understands it better than anyone. That's why I think our house strategy has been so successful.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
One of my former leadership rivals, Dr. Leslie Lewis is our shadow minister of infrastructure and she's doing a great job in talking about how we can rebuild the infrastructure of the country. I think we've got newcomers like Jamil Jivani, who was recently elected in an overwhelming mandate in Durham.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And Melissa Lansman, our deputy leader, extremely well-liked in Toronto, very well-known across the country. She's been a terrific communicator, very smart. So these are very good people. And we're, of course, recruiting a whole... army of candidates who are not yet elected in our non-held ridings that will help me not just win the election, but govern, if God willing, we do.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, we're kind of lucky in that respect that we have a huge Western caucus, right? We dominate in Alberta and Saskatchewan. So, you know, there's very few MPs in our prairie caucus that don't understand energy because they all grew up with it, as you recall from your time as an Albertan. And they know what to do.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And I've also planned to, I've talked to Daniel Smith and I said, look, and Scott Moe, who's the premier of Saskatchewan, I said, look, you guys need to be ready for when I win.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
uh we need your help to reform the approval laws so that we can get some resource projects going like immediately and uh i you know speak for her but premier smith from alberta who's a fantastic leader has said she she's happy to help and she knows the energy sector inside out and backwards And I'm talking to, for example, Greg Rickford from Northern Ontario.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
He's the guy who's been championing the Ring of Fire, which is the massive collection of minerals in Northern Ontario that we've been talking about mining for the last 15 years and hasn't been able to get approved. He's the one who's got the plan to approve that. So I've been talking with him a lot. And you'll see more names come forward as we get closer to the election.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I respond to that by saying, well, I think we have roughly 25 questions we can ask. And I'll say, well, I want 10 on inflation and three on violent crime and four on whatever the subject happens to be in the day. And I want this committee to focus on this today and that committee to focus on that today. And then our teams go out and we do it.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I think it's a country where any young person can say, this is the place to start a business. This is the place to take a risk and break through. It's a country where... a country of adventurers, explorers, inventors, workers, people who are extremely ambitious and rewarded for that ambition.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
It's a place where not only do we graduate brilliant engineers in Kitchener-Waterloo, where we do, some of the best in the world, but they say, Hell no, I'm not leaving Canada. This is the place to be. This is where the best tech company is hiring the next 700 people. This is where I can get the best salary. And this is where I can keep most of my paycheck.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Oh, and by the way, it's now affordable for me to buy a home here in Canada.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And so I wanna see that we, for the first 14 years of this century, Canada had more American investment than America had Canadian investment. In other words, we were winning the tug of war of capitalism with the greatest capitalist economy the world has ever seen. And then from 2015 to present, there's been a net outflow of a half a trillion dollars measured in USD from Canada to the US.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
It's astonishing.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
In the last 10 years. Half a trillion? Half a trillion, and that's in American dollars. That's 700-ish billion in Canadian dollars. which is the equivalent of about a quarter of our economy has just left. It's Canadian investment. I mean, the government admits that the pension funds are now investing in the States.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Canadian pension funds, Canadian RRSPs are all invested because that's where you get the best return right now. I want to bring that back.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But let's bring it back. Uh-huh. Let's bring it back. Let's make this the best place to get a return on your investment.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Let's make this the best place in the world to do business, to bring hundreds of billions of dollars of investment, to dig mines, build pipelines, business centers, new tech companies, drill, high-tech enterprises that you not only invent here, but you actually keep here because it's not just a great place to lose money, but a great place to make money. That is the bright, optimistic future I see.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I'm looking at models for this. You look at Ireland. Ireland, my grandfather came from Ireland, you know, what, a half a century ago because Ireland was too poor. Well, now Ireland's per capita GDP is twice Canada's. They're now $100,000 per capita GDP and Canada's $50,000. So what did the Irish do? They cut taxes. They shrunk government. Government is only 23% of the economy, 40% here.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And I've been very blessed because my caucus is extremely talented and they don't need a lot of direction. But we've been acting in unison, and I think that's why our message is pumping out so clearly to people. It's not a cacophony of sound, it's a clear drumbeat. And that's why people are hearing and appreciating our message. So you feel that your party is well organized at the moment?
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Right, right. And so- They made it tech friendly. Made it very tech friendly. So like 70% of the American, 75% of the Irish economy, excuse me, is-
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
free enterprise and that's why they're just cooking with gas look at singapore switzerland there are countless israel after the 90s becoming startup nation the recipe book is already written we know what to do unleash free enterprise remove the constraints cut taxes and allow people to prosper
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
They're our biggest export right now.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, you graduate from Waterloo and you can pay 53% tax in Canada or 18 or 19 in Texas. You can pay...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
uh 1.5 million dollars for an average house in canada or you can buy a castle for 400 000 in the states you can make canadian dollars which is 69 cent equivalent of the u.s dollar or you can make an american dollar it's unfortunately uh there's the poll is very hard but we're why don't we get us pulling in the other direction why don't we make this the most attractive place for these brilliant
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
minds to come out of these schools and build it here and keep it here. And I think we can do that.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
This is real. Well, first of all, I'm going to ask the carbon tax. It's been kind of an epic commitment that I've made. It's iconic. And so I have to follow through on it immediately. And that will signal to the country that I'm serious. Second, we want to get rid of the GST on new homes and make past changes that aggressively incentivize municipalities to get the building started.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That has to happen immediately for people to notice any difference in the cost of housing by the time I get through my fourth year. We will have... Rapid introduction of the biggest crackdown on crime in Canadian history. A massive crackdown.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Basically, habitual offenders will not get out of jail anymore.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Right. In Vancouver, they had to arrest the same 40 offenders 6,000 times in one year.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
When we did this last time in the Harper government, we actually reduced crime by 25%. But interesting, this is a very big surprise, incarcerations went down because the people that we kept in prison were in and out anyway. It was like the Hotel California. They were checking out, but they were never really leaving. So we had to basically save them a bed.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Extremely well organized.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
But secondly, the small-time offenders were actually deterred. All of the so-called experts say deterrents don't work. No, they do work.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And right now, though, it's worse than that. Even if you have a probability of conviction, there's a certainty that there won't be any real penalty. Right, right, right.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So that's not a real conviction. That's not a real conviction. So there's going to be a very serious crackdown on crime. Immigration? What's the scoop there? Oh, we have to slow down the numbers. There's no doubt about it. We have to end the fraud in the international student and the temporary foreign worker program. We have to...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
By every measure, by every statistical measure. We're stronger than any political party has been in, well, maybe in my lifetime, objectively speaking. Memberships, fundraising, poll numbers,
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
We just have to get back to the best system in the world, which we had for 150 years. In the United States, both Democrats and Republicans used to get up at a microphone and claim they were going to replicate our system because it was an undeniable success. Immigration was not even controversial before Justin Trudeau because it was so well managed here. for so long.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And we just need to get back to that system.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And in fact, the support for immigration was strongest in kind of the rural resource and agricultural communities where the labor was most needed and welcomed. And people integrated, they arrived here and while they were, we said to people, look, bring your traditions and culture and your stories, but leave the problems at the door.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And so, and this is, by the way, a history for Canada that goes back hundreds of years. I mean, the Protestants and Catholics were ripping each other's eyeballs out in Europe for centuries. And then they came to Canada and they got along. They ultimately ended up intermarrying and integrating completely and everything.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Whether you were an Orangeman or an Irish Catholic, over time, you got along with your neighbor. And in the last nine years, we've seen that's come apart. The foreign conflicts are now spilling onto our streets. I want to put an end to that. I want to say, look, we're not interested in the world's ethnocultural conflicts.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
We welcome the people who come from places that have been afflicted by war as long as they leave the war behind. And frankly, most people come here to get away from those things. So by getting back to a common sense of values and identity and reminding people that when they get here, they are Canadian first. Canada first. Leave the hyphens. We don't need to be a hyphenated society.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And that we owe a debt of gratitude to the
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
uh giants who came before us who fought in wars who laid down a parliamentary democracy and who left us behind this incredible inheritance yeah i mean we're going to be grateful again and we're going to inculcate the values of gratitude for our incredible history uh build up the country um celebrate what we have in common rather than dividing what what obsessing about what divides us um
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
focusing on the shared values that make us all Canadian. And I think in so doing, we can... And by the way, put aside race, this obsession with race that wokeism has...
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Wokeism seeks to divide people into these different groups and subgroups, and we see the results in a 250% increase in hate crimes. But we're going to get back to the basic principle that people are judged based on their individual character. and humanity rather than by their group identity. And that is actually ironically the most unifying thing we can do to bring our country back together.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And as Lincoln put it, to bind up the nation's wounds.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I would say I'm tougher. What does that mean? It's like you watch a boxing match and you see these guys get hit again and again and again. You say, how is it that you can take a punch? The average person takes a punch like that on the street, they'd collapse. Well, once you've taken a bunch, you know how to take a punch. And when you run for leader of a
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
They get the party, I get the hangover.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
the oldest and biggest political party in the country, and you're trying to challenge the vested interests, then you're going to take a lot of punches. And I have, and I've withstood those punches. And as a result, I feel stronger now than I did when I started. I don't feel I have beaten down. I feel emboldened and strengthened from that running through that gauntlet.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
well, we have a clear mission statement and people know exactly why we're in this. You know, whenever someone asks me, they say, I'm thinking of running for parliament or for mayor or some other political position. What's your advice? Well, I said, well, before I get to the advice, I have a very simple question. Why do you want this job?
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Not at all, no. In fact, to the contrary, I feel more invigorated than ever before.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Because I think, because I have a mission. Was it Frankl that said, he who has a why can withstand any what? Any how. Any how, yeah. Any how, yeah. And I have a why. I know I am doing this. And I want to get this done for the country. And I want to leave behind the opportunity for every other Canadian the chance I had as a kid. And it's personal for me.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I don't come from a privileged or wealthy background. I was adopted.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
by school teachers grew up in a normal suburban neighborhood we didn't always have money but I was able to get here and my wife's the same story you know she came here with nothing and she's had a great life her family's had a great life I love that about this country and the idea that I could restore that as my life's work for other people To me, that is exhilarating. That excites me.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
If that could be the only thing I do with my career, that would be an incredibly rewarding outcome.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And also, on behalf of all Canadians, I want to thank you for your immense courage and the personal political and non-political price that you have paid for standing up for your convictions and defending freedom of speech, because I know you have paid a very big price for that. But you have never bent. You have never backed down. You've had a spine of steel.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And there are countless other people who will have the freedom to express themselves because you paid the price for them. So thank you.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And it might seem like a simplistic question, but it's actually the most important question in life. Why? Why are you doing what you're doing? And our answer to that is, is to bring back the Canadian promise that anyone who works hard gets a great paycheck and a pension that buys them good food and a nice home and a safe neighborhood.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Thank you. Thank you.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That anyone from anywhere can do anything and that people are in charge of their own lives. That's effectively what we want to deliver.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I think people are sick and tired of grandiosity. In fact, I think there's something grand about a family that can... It can go on a nice road trip and share stories and build lasting memories that the kids will remember when they're 85 years old.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
That's right. But I think those things are grand. And I think the problem we've had in this country and in all of the countries that have been afflicted by this horrendous utopian wokeism is that it's been focused on the grand, the grandiosity of the leadership of the egotistical personalities on top and not the things that are grand and great about the common people.
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And that is another reason why I think we're doing very well. People are saying, finally, there's someone who's focused on letting me take back control of my own life and create a great future for my family. And so that is, to answer your question, one of the reasons why we've had such incredible success over the last two years.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
Well, I look back at everything I've done for my entire political career to the time I was a teenager. You know, some people even dug up my old university essays, and I've been saying precisely the same thing the entire time. You know, when I was 20, I wrote an essay, As Prime Minister I Would, and the title was Building Canada on Freedom.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
The entire piece was about making the government small and maximizing personal freedom. That's basically what I'm doing now. So you have consistency going for you. Well, there were things, when I launched my leadership race, I literally had the same language in my leadership launch speech that I had put in that essay 22 or 23 years earlier.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And when I was part of the Harper government, we basically fought for and did the same things then that I'm proposing to do now. So as much as you can be assured of anything any political leader says, I've got evidence to back it up.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
I'm not going to do that. And it will be hard because the temptation will be... This is the mistake that conservative parties around the world have made countless times. They think...
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
well, anybody who's got a conservative mindset is already voting for me so I can go off and chase the ideas of my political opponents and then everyone will love me because I'll have the conservatives due to the fact that I have the name conservative and then I'll have all these other people because I've embraced their contrary direction
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511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
And in the short term, it works because you manage to have all of these people under, and all of the different political ideologies captured in one tent. But the problem happens when the policies are a disaster. And then people wake up and go, oh my God, my taxes are now up. The inflation is out of control. The deficit is spiraling. There's crime on the streets.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
511. Canada's Next Prime Minister | Pierre Poilievre
So does the temptation exist to try and take on the political policies of the socialists in the short term? Sure, but it's one that I will fiercely resist because I know that by the fourth year of my mandate— people would be enraged because their lives would be even worse. So it will be tough though. Like it's going to be a trade-off.