Paul Holes
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He is sobbing and saying, I hate you, Bonnie. I hate you, Bonnie, over and over. What was the significance of that? That he had some significant female in his life named Bonnie, and he had some anger against what Bonnie had done to him. And he's taken that anger out on this victim that he's raping.
He is sobbing and saying, I hate you, Bonnie. I hate you, Bonnie, over and over. What was the significance of that? That he had some significant female in his life named Bonnie, and he had some anger against what Bonnie had done to him. And he's taken that anger out on this victim that he's raping.
They had been bludgeoned in the head with a log that had been collected from a woodpile outside the house.
They had been bludgeoned in the head with a log that had been collected from a woodpile outside the house.
Charlene's body was processed for sexual assault evidence. and semen was found.
Charlene's body was processed for sexual assault evidence. and semen was found.
Holy smokes, this is like the big break because they got more insight, 50 cases worth of investigation.
Holy smokes, this is like the big break because they got more insight, 50 cases worth of investigation.
The DNA came back and it's looking like it's him.
The DNA came back and it's looking like it's him.
That turned out to be a gold mine for us because that second kit had sat in the coroner's possession for 38 years untouched. And so the swabs collected from Charlene Smith's body were pristine.
That turned out to be a gold mine for us because that second kit had sat in the coroner's possession for 38 years untouched. And so the swabs collected from Charlene Smith's body were pristine.
I started watching these PhDs, these genetic genealogists, explain the technology. And I was like, that looks interesting.
I started watching these PhDs, these genetic genealogists, explain the technology. And I was like, that looks interesting.
I created an undercover account. And I just uploaded the Golden State Killer's profile and allowed the GEDmatch servers to do their magic and produce the list of people that potentially shared some DNA with my offender. Why did investigators choose GEDmatch?
I created an undercover account. And I just uploaded the Golden State Killer's profile and allowed the GEDmatch servers to do their magic and produce the list of people that potentially shared some DNA with my offender. Why did investigators choose GEDmatch?
I got a list of individuals that shared DNA with the offender on the order roughly of third cousins to fourth cousins.
I got a list of individuals that shared DNA with the offender on the order roughly of third cousins to fourth cousins.
We start looking at his geographic profile and seeing that he has a Sacramento area connection and a Southern California area connection. We're evaluating these people that were of the right age, they were of the right physical size that we knew our offender to be, somebody who's roughly 5'8", 5'10", 160, 80 pounds. We had settled on roughly five. How do you narrow in on Joseph DeAngelo?
We start looking at his geographic profile and seeing that he has a Sacramento area connection and a Southern California area connection. We're evaluating these people that were of the right age, they were of the right physical size that we knew our offender to be, somebody who's roughly 5'8", 5'10", 160, 80 pounds. We had settled on roughly five. How do you narrow in on Joseph DeAngelo?
We started focusing on Joe DeAngelo because he looked better than the remainder. But still, at that point, he wasn't a prime suspect, was he? No. In fact, he was just somebody who rose to the level, as many people have. It wasn't anybody thinking, this is the guy.
We started focusing on Joe DeAngelo because he looked better than the remainder. But still, at that point, he wasn't a prime suspect, was he? No. In fact, he was just somebody who rose to the level, as many people have. It wasn't anybody thinking, this is the guy.
How did they get the DNA from him? By a surveillance team that watched him for days. And when he went to a public location, he discarded some of his DNA at that public location that was then collected.
How did they get the DNA from him? By a surveillance team that watched him for days. And when he went to a public location, he discarded some of his DNA at that public location that was then collected.
I was outside a restaurant in Colorado. I received a call from the Sacramento DA's office and they told me, don't say a word, but the DNA came back and it's looking like it's him.
I was outside a restaurant in Colorado. I received a call from the Sacramento DA's office and they told me, don't say a word, but the DNA came back and it's looking like it's him.
Finally, I got to see the face of the man that I've been hunting for 24 years.
Finally, I got to see the face of the man that I've been hunting for 24 years.
I wasn't because I had predicted that he likely would just be blending in.
I wasn't because I had predicted that he likely would just be blending in.
Now that we've identified DeAngelo, and he was a law enforcement officer, then it's like, well, sure. He's been through the academy. He's been working on the force. He understands all that, and he's using that to his advantage to commit these attacks.
Now that we've identified DeAngelo, and he was a law enforcement officer, then it's like, well, sure. He's been through the academy. He's been working on the force. He understands all that, and he's using that to his advantage to commit these attacks.
And we didn't know, was Bonnie his mom, a wife, ex-wife? Girlfriends, we just knew that there was a Bonnie in his life.
And we didn't know, was Bonnie his mom, a wife, ex-wife? Girlfriends, we just knew that there was a Bonnie in his life.
When we're looking at Joe DeAngelo, we run across a newspaper article of an engagement to a Bonnie back in 1970. So now we have a guy that has a Bonnie in his life. And we couldn't find any indication that they ever got married.
When we're looking at Joe DeAngelo, we run across a newspaper article of an engagement to a Bonnie back in 1970. So now we have a guy that has a Bonnie in his life. And we couldn't find any indication that they ever got married.
I don't believe it at all. Completely faked. Thought it was a big show.
I don't believe it at all. Completely faked. Thought it was a big show.
This is a physically capable 72-year-old man. For him to be in that wheelchair based on what was seen in the week prior, he's faking it. The week before he was arrested, he was seen riding a motorcycle? Yes. He's the ultimate tactician, and now he is employing a strategy to get sympathy. I'm a frail old man.
This is a physically capable 72-year-old man. For him to be in that wheelchair based on what was seen in the week prior, he's faking it. The week before he was arrested, he was seen riding a motorcycle? Yes. He's the ultimate tactician, and now he is employing a strategy to get sympathy. I'm a frail old man.
um you know gone on vacation somewhere still there is much speculation about one big question why did the golden state killer finally end his years-long crime spree what do you think happened in 1981 he ends up going in to kill gregory sanchez and sherry domingo he gets in a physical fight with six foot three gregory sanchez and i think that physical altercation with sanchez scared him
um you know gone on vacation somewhere still there is much speculation about one big question why did the golden state killer finally end his years-long crime spree what do you think happened in 1981 he ends up going in to kill gregory sanchez and sherry domingo he gets in a physical fight with six foot three gregory sanchez and i think that physical altercation with sanchez scared him
We don't have an attack for five years. But then he runs across beautiful 19-year-old Janelle Cruz and can't help himself and kills her. But at this point, he's an aging offender.
We don't have an attack for five years. But then he runs across beautiful 19-year-old Janelle Cruz and can't help himself and kills her. But at this point, he's an aging offender.
I think it's possible, but it's also possible there's attacks out there that we haven't linked to him.
I think it's possible, but it's also possible there's attacks out there that we haven't linked to him.
I saw glimpses of the evil when he saw a female and his face turned into rage briefly. And I thought, that is the real Joe D'Angelo.
I saw glimpses of the evil when he saw a female and his face turned into rage briefly. And I thought, that is the real Joe D'Angelo.
That tearing sound, he's doing that purposefully because he knows the victims can hear that. He wanted to inflict absolute fear and suffering in these victims. And that was his primary goal.
That tearing sound, he's doing that purposefully because he knows the victims can hear that. He wanted to inflict absolute fear and suffering in these victims. And that was his primary goal.
Is this my last moment alive?
Is this my last moment alive?
He always had a mask on. He always had gloves on. Sometimes he would break into the house the night before. Part of that is probably to figure out the layout of the house.
He always had a mask on. He always had gloves on. Sometimes he would break into the house the night before. Part of that is probably to figure out the layout of the house.
It tells me that this guy has the self-confidence and his abilities to be able to go into a house with the threat of this male present and take control.
It tells me that this guy has the self-confidence and his abilities to be able to go into a house with the threat of this male present and take control.
Finally, I got to see the face of the man that I've been hunting for 24 years.
Finally, I got to see the face of the man that I've been hunting for 24 years.
In attack number three, they're confronted with this man. He's got a mask on, he's got a T-shirt on, and he's got a gun in one hand and a padded baton in another hand. and he says freeze or I'll shoot. When you look at his tactics, He definitely had an understanding of how law enforcement would respond to this type of attack. He understood how law enforcement would investigate that.
In attack number three, they're confronted with this man. He's got a mask on, he's got a T-shirt on, and he's got a gun in one hand and a padded baton in another hand. and he says freeze or I'll shoot. When you look at his tactics, He definitely had an understanding of how law enforcement would respond to this type of attack. He understood how law enforcement would investigate that.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
She had been shot twice in the head and in the back.
She had been shot twice in the head and in the back.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
A common misperception about serial predators is that every single time they commit a crime, they commit it the same way.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
A murder happens. The case goes cold. Then, over 100 years later, we take a second look. I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
On our podcast, Buried Bones, we reexamine historical true crime cases.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network.
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw her alive. So how did they eliminate him?
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Buried Bones on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.