Oliver Stone
Appearances
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Winner in the Oscar goes to Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone for Midnight Express. Oliver Stone, born on the 4th of July.
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It becomes a double-edged sword.
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That's probably true. It's probably true, yeah. We were having issues on the first. It was the wrong. He approached it. I have to say, he may not agree with me. He's right. But he approached the movie like it was the streets of San Francisco or something. You know, one of the TV series that he did. It was just not the depth that I was looking for. I needed to. He was a major figure in the film.
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He was the antagonist. And frankly, he got an Academy Award, so something happened. He deepened in that movie as an actor. What do you tell him, though? What do you tell him? Well, you have to, first of all, deal with it. You have to deal with what you're seeing. I mean, you may not be right. It might be too subjective. But tell the actor, be honest.
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If it's the time to be honest, sometimes you hold back.
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You have to be. You have to tell the truth to some degree. You can't just fake it. I hate those directors who always say, oh, great job, great job. The words become meaningless. The currency, useless. You have to have some truth factor in all your relationships. Otherwise, you're a boutique. Otherwise, you're just being a showman. You're a traffic cop.
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I think I was famous for walking on eggshells.
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No, I don't. I never said that on purpose unless something was going wrong. You know, for example, let's say an actress comes in and she's more concerned about.
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She's more concerned about her, the way she looks and the way she doesn't give a damn about the movie or the other people. It's just her. And when you have that kind of egocentric personality, you have to. You have to move away from that. You have to get more into the shadows.
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You have to start dealing with that psyche, and that's not easy sometimes because some people are very hung up on themselves. How much of it is private? How much of it is public around everybody? You know something? That's a good question because usually I keep everything private, but the crew feels it. The crew knows. In fact, sometimes the crew knows ahead of the director. You hear the words.
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You know, the ADs, they talk, and... The Cameron crews are very sharp. They've been on a lot of movies. If the actress or actor is a dud, they know it. And they'll let you know it. If he or she is not up to par, they'll let you know. It's an interesting thing that goes on. It's dynamic. By the way, let me ask you this.
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I went into arms as a soldier eventually in 67, 8. And I saw things that just shocked me. Open my eyes, I'd never be the same again. Combat is a searing experience. And devastating to what your sense of life is worth. Your sense of self. You have no illusions about yourself. Or what life comes down to. It comes down to a very basic thing. Survival.
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Yeah, I just asked him and he was very friendly about it. Yeah, he was making a comeback at that time. Was he upset that he was not the guy playing in Wall Street? No, because he was a younger man. It was another kind of time. 20 years had passed. So, in other words, Gekko was 60. Coming out of jail and Creed and all this stuff. He's coming up with his book launch. Yes, another young man.
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And Josh Brolin was playing a key role. He was playing the Gekko role as a young man. Oh, I'm sorry. So that was a whole different ballgame.
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If you like Gordon Gekko as a father, you might kill yourself too. Yeah, I'm looking at this. That was a great cast. And Frank Langella, I have to say, played an old tycoon. He was perfect.
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I had empty calories feeling. It's certainly watchable. It's good, well-made Ridley film, but I didn't care about the people. I wasn't invested. Your comparison of one versus two. One was a classic. Two was empty calories. Like a commercial product.
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Because you're a gladiator yourself. You know, you're powerful. And you probably didn't like the physique of the guy as much.
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He said he was dead. His character was dead. It's all fiction anyway. There was nothing realistic about it.
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Well, first of all, I would have conceived a different script. But it's important. It's a new concept. That was the way it was created, and maybe that's good. What does the dinosaur film have to do with the previous dinosaur film? Jurassic World. Jurassic World. What does that have to do with it? Why would you talk to the previous dinosaur?
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Everything, yeah. It's a whole experience. It's a life. No, I don't focus on one part or aspect of it.
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I love movies. I love movies, too, from your lens. There's actually three, four hundred. I mean, he knows. I watch old movies along with new movies. So I mix it up, and I get confused sometimes as to what... I don't remember all the things I saw. Give me a list and I'll tell you.
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Sound of Music. Really? You know, there are old movies. That's one of my dad's favorites. There's hundreds of movies that are great. Listen, if we stopped making movies now and no more movies were made, I'd be fine. I mean, there's enough there for the rest of time, you know, honestly. And also, I discover old movies that I didn't see, which is a wonderful experience.
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I think there's a... You know what? In the Renaissance, there's a period when they all talk about Italy and they all talk about Flemish painting. That's what we're in. The movie business was that moment. We have those hundreds and hundreds of paintings. We should enjoy them all.
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That's what critics do. I don't want to do that. They say the 10 best, the best. That's such a bullshit. That's not the question. Yeah, it is because you tend to narrow things down. People have to say, I saw that movie, but it's better than that one. Come on, just wake up.
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Ask Sean, he grew up in the 1980s. Ask him what, you remember, you saw it 20 times.
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Where's my camera? I don't see myself. You have six cameras on you.
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But what are some of the films that did less well in the 80s you loved? Countless, countless.
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Documentaries are very important to me, and I did 20 of them, or 15, I don't know. But the reason is they bring you back to the research world, the real world, the world that you're actually dealing with people who are live, and you're getting in touch with that aspect of yourself. Whereas if you live on a stage or live with a fictional film, it's another world.
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It's a good question.
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It's artificial, and you're constantly trying to create realities So it's a real challenge. That's why it's important to stay in touch with the real world. And a lot of Hollywood people do not. I mean, the reason I'm into contemporary events, I mean, look at the films I did in the last 20. World Trade Center, W, the film of George Bush. I stayed current. I wanted to know what was going on.
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What is the most impressive thing? Giving birth.
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The last one was Snowden. We did it on the cusp of what happened. And it was very important to me to know what was going on in computers at that point. I don't regret that. You know, they may not have done as well because the American century changed. After 2001, we became another animal, you know. And that affected the culture and the appreciation. And the generation changed.
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And a new generation came along who didn't know the same things that the 1980s and 70s generation knew. Think about it that way. Is that fair to say that you're an anomaly for that? No, I think I cared about events that were going on around us. And when I see some of the treatment of the current events, Hollywood doesn't care. They don't base their films on that.
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They don't want to reflect reality necessarily. Yeah, they'd love to get the money from it, but it's a creation of fantasy too. And the films don't deal with the American century. What did America become after 2001? Those films don't really deal with it. It's another, more imperialist, more authoritarian, more patriotic, more militaristic. I mean, come on. That has to be reflected in movies.
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Maybe Gladiator reflects that, but maybe it does.
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I meet a lot of Hollywood directors, producers. We never talk about current events because I don't get any sense, a lot of interest in it. We always talk about artificial stuff, which is fun sometimes. It talks about movies. That's another world.
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Documentaries as a whole, I've gotten so much introduction to the world through documentaries, meeting Chavez and Castro, meeting the Israelis, meeting Putin, and nuclear energy. That was not about a person. That was about an issue. Come on, that was a very difficult movie for me to make. All I talked to was scientists.
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He got kicked out of the hospital?
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He was happy. No, that's not true. You know, it takes a long time. You have to sit there and sit there. 12 hours sometimes. And it was a Saturday or something, and I wanted to see that game. So my wife was, my wife, I said, I'm going to go out and come back. And I came back with a pizza. I'll never forget. It was nauseating, the smell. She couldn't take it. So she asked me, get the fuck out.
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So often it's the importance of it, you know, like to me nuclear energy was very important because we're facing climate change. If you accept that, what are we going to do? Are we providing the solution? And if you study the issue and really study it and talk to people, you have to doubt the conventional idea that we're going to be saved by renewables. It's the first thing that comes up.
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People say, what are we doing? We still have, why are we not improving? Why is the carbon dioxide still the same? After all these renewables, after all the trillions of dollars we've spent. Look at Germany. I mean, the whole concept of going to nuclear was caused by that because we have to wake up and we don't. And that's why you have to make something because this is urgent. Look at that poster.
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There's not a person, not a face on it, right? That poster. It's not necessarily, it looked like a Walt Disney space picture or something. I'm not going to run out and see that. That's the problem.
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Because I had to. Because we're all going to fry. I don't want him to walk around and burn up. It's going to be very tough. Unless we deal with this energy issue, there has to be solutions. Everyone's thinking of the future. There's going to be a solution. We're going to figure it out. Well, we've got to get serious now, back then.
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You may not agree with me, and a lot of people don't, but my God, I think it's a burning issue of our day. But beyond Ukraine, beyond Joe Biden and Donald Trump, this is a real, real significant. Look at the figures.
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She was screaming. But then I came back. I saw him being born, by the way. I saw him coming out.
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So what did you learn at the end of the documentary? Among other things, the fear was ridiculous because there was none of those accidents really added up to anything compared to the other waste products of other energies such as gas and oil and coal.
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New countries are coming into it. Yeah, Russia is doing a very good job of constructing reactors abroad in other countries. They're selling the product. China is doing it. And they're also devised. They're working very hard. China and Russia have SMRs. which are the small modular reactors, they have them. The United States is still working on it. We're way behind.
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But I do believe we'll come up with a design for an SMR that will be accepted through our regulation process, which is tedious and costs... That's why it costs so much. We don't approve anything. It's like a bad business, right? We're... We're choked. We don't allow new stuff unless it's fancy and has a purpose. It's just very hard to get new designs in. We have to change our ways.
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And I think the SMRs, hopefully, will be there by 2030. Hopefully. I know Westinghouse is working on one, and General Electric. They have good stuff coming. What do you think about China? China is great. They're doing so much in terms of building, not only nuclear reactors, but they're building... I lament their use of coal still. Yes, that's very evil.
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But they are doing better and better and better, and they're amazing, some of their buildings. Amazing. They're the future. You're saying China's the future. It looks like it. They're doing the best, most modernistic work. And I have high hopes for the rest of the world. I mean, if you go to your countries, I mean, go out there to the stands.
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Go out to that, you know, I did a documentary about Kazakhstan. It's an amazing place. It's very future thinking. A whole new generation. building things, creating new cities.
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That's the way you think. Movies are a bad deal. Every time you have to make a new business every few years, it just doesn't work. You make a movie and they don't accept it. They don't understand it. It's ahead of its time, behind its time, whatever. It's not that easy, you know. So you spend two, three years of your life making a movie. I don't think it's an economical business.
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I wouldn't go into it for that reason. You go into it as an artist, and frankly, you say, I want to make this. My passion is here. It's the most important thing in the world to me right now, and blah, blah, blah.
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No, it didn't work for me. It doesn't work for me because you have to have a certain, he does what he does. You have to admire him. He was my teacher at NYU. Scorsese. He's lasted this long and he's great. He's good. Listen, he's made his deal.
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I was paying attention. How about later on?
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Yeah, my father would always talk about, we could have done it better, meaning there was something wrong with the hole in the movie and the hole in the story, the logic, the logic of it. But then you become too logic-ridden, and sometimes that undercuts you.
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And that's happened to me, I made films so, in a way, they wound themselves into a complicate, a knot by the third act, and then you gotta get out of the knot.
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You saw The Hand, my horror film, and Seizure, my first film out of NYU. Okay. Yeah, no, but I had written Midnight Express, so he knew that I was on my way in that business, and I'd written a Conan and my screenwriting stuff.
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No, I never saw it with him because my dad was, you know, he was an economist. He was very much a Wall Street man. But even at the end of his life, his conservatism was vanishing. He said at the end of his life, he said, you know, we made a big deal about Russia all my life. That was the thing of the Cold War. It was a really big deal. He scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
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So by the end of his life, by the late 70s and early 80s, you know, after the... Well, Reagan, it's true, he was in the middle of the Reagan era, but even Reagan started to let up after the near scare of Abel Archer in 1983. We had a near nuclear war with Russia. It was ridiculous. It was out of fear.
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And after that, if you remember, Reagan and Gorbachev got together in 86 and started the whole process of detente, which we've forgotten about. But we almost had a moment when we banned nuclear weapons completely from the earth. That almost happened. They'd reached a friendly moment when Reagan was a very affable man that way. And he said, why not? He said, why not? Why don't we get rid of them?
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And then, of course, the guy's on his spot. That's my father. And the guys behind him said, no, you can't do that, you can't. But George Shultz was in favor of that. He was the Secretary of State at that time. So it's possible. I mean, we can think differently, but sometimes we close up into our balls of fear.
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No, that was based on the fact that we had all those scandals and all those young people were starting to make money, you see. My dad was the old Wall Street. I pictured that in the picture with Hal Holbrook and the father figure of Martin Sheen, who was a union leader. The younger crowd was amoral. A lot of them were into the business. People were making... Big money.
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I mean, I don't know if you remember, 83, 84, 85, people were making millions of dollars at the age of 28, 29. That was outrageous. We never had even seen that kind of money before. Young people were supposed to, you know, you don't make big money until you're 40s, 50s, right?
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Yeah, that was a penny stock crowd, but they were never mainstream. They were the sidestream. The people I'm talking about were mainstream. They were joining the mainstream, and they were controlling the stocks. We had those people. They were coming on.
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And if you look very closely at the whole, the Gordon Gekko types ended up being the banks by the 2010 period when I did Wall Street Money Never Sleeps because that was the idea, is that the independent traders became this, by 2010, had so gamed the system and so inflated the system that they were the new chiefs. What do you think about Joseph Kennedy? What about him? I like him.
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I mean, he did amazing stuff. He created a clan. He nourished his kids to become leaders. And he was a very good father in the end. He turned out to be a very good father.
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No, he was the progenitor of a family. I admired John, as you know, and Robert very much, and Ted too, as well as the sisters.
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Is it on him? It's a wonderful book. Yeah, it's about Joe Kennedy, but it's a fiction. Fictionalized version.
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1969.
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312.
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There was a long period, and he was on the outs. Roosevelt wouldn't talk to him. He was down on his luck. He couldn't get the impact he wanted. He became frustrated during the war. He wasn't respected. And then after the war, he bounced back with his... His oldest son died, killed in an accident in war. And then his second son, he groomed belatedly for the presidency. He won the Senate.
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He won the House in 47 or 47, yeah, about 47. And then Senator in 52, right? So he groomed John as his replacements. And you don't want to do anything on them? It's a great story, but it's, I kind of, I know the story. I mean, I don't, the world doesn't know the story. There's another story about Kennedy I would like to sell. What's that? But they won't let me do that.
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I'm not going to give you a quick summation.
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Yeah, possibly. Well, there's no bottom to it because the CIA doesn't put that stuff on paper. But there are a lot of files on people in the CIA at that time, such as James Angleton. That was a big place to start. That's a counterterrorism chief. of all those years. James Angleton, you've ever heard of him? A very important figure. And you have to go into him to begin.
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And then there's other people like Bill Harvey and Phillips, David Atlee Phillips. There's Howard Hunt. There's the other guy, Joe Anides, George Joe Anides. Those guys you should track. And they've done nothing. The CIA has done nothing to cooperate with any official. They've been the most hidden organization ever. Only one time have they ever been examined, and that was in...
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Yeah, you got to fight for these things. What do you mean you got to fight for these things? The three hour movie in those days was not normal at all. It was a special event. When I grew up, it was a... what they called, you know, an intermission film. It was a spectacle. But by the time it's 1980s, 90s, it was turned into, you had to make it as a single feature.
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Frank Church's Committee of 1973-4. Frank Church, great, great, great senator. And they found a nest of evil that was so intense, with so many assassinations, sabotage, Against America's interests. Against America's interests. And they told us the whole time it was for our interest. We killed people who ended up being heroes. And we paid the price.
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I mean, we're paying the price now insofar as we have no idea what's our own history. No idea about, we've thwarted history and we're aiming, we're going towards a very dangerous moment right now, but that's another discussion completely.
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Well, they put him there in the first place.
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And that, because they don't want to, they were playing, the theater owners were putting pressure on the studios, you know, We want quicker turnovers. We want six turnovers a day. We want to sell popcorn in between. There's all kinds of economic reasons for it. A three-hour and 12 movies are killer. You only have four shows, three-day shows a day. Okay?
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Of course. Well, it seems like we have already accumulated such evidence. It's prima facie, it seems. How can you deny it? How can you deny it? Especially now that we're going through so much revelation on conspiracies left, right. This is what the world is. It's like been working that way.
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The United States has been working duplicitously for years to create this empire that we have, that we deny that we have. We have 800 bases. We're all over the world in every single spot. We have our finger everywhere. And we're stirring this constantly. We're busy like malevolent dwarfs, but we're there everywhere. And what concerns you about that?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
We're heading towards a nuclear war with, we created enemies that are not necessary. That's what mostly affects me. Because if we blow up this thing, it'll be like that scene on the beach when Fred Astaire says, I don't know how it started. It'll be like that. But we, I know how it started because it started here.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
These people who are running Washington right now, these neoconservatives that are in charge, are the most dangerous people we've ever had in the world. They're the antithesis of what America was about. Antithesis. Who? Who? Who? Well, right now, in this time period, it goes back to the 1990s when they formed up. But before that, it goes way back to the 1940s. Before that, to the 1919s.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Right now it would be, you know, the Biden administration is playing with fire. They've taken this thing to the edge with Russia. They're now the neocons?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
How weird is that? Yeah, isn't that so bizarre? How weird is that, Oliver, for you? The real liberals, people who are really into liberalism like me, who care about it, the John Stuart Mill kind, are disgusted by these people who are saying... a pro-war, they're pro-interference in other people's affairs. They're trying to tell people how to live. That's not the way Mr. Mill described liberalism.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Leave them alone. Let live and let live is my philosophy. Get along with your neighbors. What's going on now is Mr. Blinken and Sullivan and all these people that are in the administration are very dangerous people because they pushed this thing with Ukraine to a place where it had no American interests at stake, none. But Mr. Biden, without a mandate, declared that we have to –
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
weaken Russia without a mandate. He didn't put it up for voting. He said, do you want to go to war with Russia? Do you want to have American missiles flying into Russia? This is outrageous. It never would have happened. You realize in Kennedy's time, it would have been a declaration of war. That's what's going on without our knowing it. We're asleep to that because it's like boiling the frog.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
You should know that.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
They take it up, you know, a little incline by incline. Yeah, yeah.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Hour 45, perfect.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
JFK was a hit. Nixon was not because I think it was a darker poster and he was a darker man. John Kennedy was more popular. Also, people were interested in his assassination. Whereas the Nixon presidency was shrouded with
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
ambiguities and that was a problem selling it that was a problem selling we didn't have a big american star we had anthony hopkins who's just very good english he wasn't a big star at the time no he was not are you kidding what did you read this film was remains of the day and uh remains of the day was his biggest film legends of the fall
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I'm in the middle. I don't know. But there was a lot of evidence on Sean's side.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Now, with the world shifting as it is, I'm certainly independent. But I'm leaning back like my father to the Republican side because I'm disgusted, disgusted with the Democrats. And they're a constant attack. Actually, it's all their extremism of their attacks on Trump that have turned me off. The extremism of their attacks.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
What are you talking about? Everything he said was... I mean, I've seen it. In the newspapers, they say, falsely, he falsely says, or they constantly give him an adjective, which is unfair. In other words, there's nothing objective written about him. And... I saw Sean's documentary. It's wonderful, actually. One of the most affecting chapters is the one on Giuliani, who I did not like.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Giuliani had reached that place because of his rah-rah patriotism in 2001. I thought it was disgusting. He was overboard. I really did. When he was most popular is when I hated him because I thought he was taking advantage of this thing. He was no longer a prosecutor. He was... He was an opportunist. And what happened was that he actually makes sense in this documentary.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
His whole position makes sense. He explains himself. And it turned me around. I said, you know, I understand. And now the newspapers are attacking him constantly like some kind of fraud. That's when I appreciate what he went through. You understand? It's like I'm a contrarian, I guess you could say. But it's good to have contrarians in our society. We need them.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And I admire Sean, who is my son, who's done this on his own. I have nothing to do with his thinking. He's read his own books. He's formed his own conclusions. I was very impressed with what he just said. He explained these elections in a very clear, logical way to me. And frankly, we've been interfering in Russia so many times.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yeah, sure. Sure. He was a wonderful man.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I mean, Hillary Clinton is known for that 2006 period, the 2014 election. They were all over Russia.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
What do you think about it? Is there a party that's skeptical about it? You have to be disturbed by it, and there's still time to go. Look at all the damage that Biden's administration is doing to Trump right now. They're putting him in the spot. The problem is they know Trump is a hothead. I think he's smarter now. I think he's a little bit. But he's got to consider this as a threat to him.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
They want to go to a war. or some kind of war, they trap them. Israel has blown up the Middle East, blown it up. It's just like they're remaking the Middle East. That's what they said they'd do. Netanyahu vowed to do this, and he's done it. So many of these countries are out of commission now. And now Iran is the fucking next target of this guy, this madman. And we're in his pocket.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
We have no apparent say in what he's going to do.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yes, and AIPAC and all the Israeli mechanism that operates in the United States. Our vote, our Congress means nothing. Netanyahu comes and addresses them three times. They stand up like dogs, clapping for everything he says, like dogs. It was disgusting.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I'm not that patient. Maybe 12, 13, 14. And that's not working. I mean, I try to make change. Some directors will let it roll and roll and roll because it's tape. I don't feel that way. I feel it's a waste of energy. You've got to concentrate that energy.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
It was pretty painful.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
He's a good actor. Academy Award winner. Oh, wow. He reached that stage when drugs and stuff, whatever, medications had slowed him down. And then what do you do in that moment?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
You don't even mention APAC.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Oh, yeah, yeah. The other actor was sitting across the table from him, and those people who remember this know that the other actor was eating the tuna fish sandwich. for the scene, it was a lunch scene. So he's eating the sandwich and he ate 17 or 18 of them and I was really worried about his, yeah, but he was a strong guy and he managed to absorb it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Does this include the PAC expenditures or is a PAC excluded from that?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And are these PACs private? I mean, we don't know the numbers on the PACs.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
They were ham sandwiches, I think he was getting sick. Two sandwiches.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
The threat of saying we're going to campaign against you, that's just enough.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Both occur. You've gone through a process and you leave it. You become a bit of what you've done. And it's sort of a benchmark that tells you, I was here and now I can move on.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I learned a lot because we actually paid attention to Ukraine after the Putin interviews. That helped me. He said to me, I said, what's the big deal about Ukraine? I thought it was another Eastern European country that had gone to NATO. He said, for you it's not a big deal. For us, it's a very big deal. He says that on the tape. And I think
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I finally understood the importance of Ukraine because they've been invaded twice through the underbelly, through Ukraine, twice by Poland. And they were invaded by Napoleon. They were invaded by the Woodrow Wilson troops. Sixteen armies fought against the Bolshevik Revolution. Sixteen armies led by Britain and the United States. France, Poland. Poland sent a huge amount of men to Ukraine.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yeah, you're right.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Netanyahu. Netanyahu, yeah. I thought he was a mad... He was very extreme back in 2002. He was going on, and then the bomb went off as he was talking to us. It's in the film. It's called... Persona non grata. What? Persona non grata. Persona non grata. Persona non grata. Yeah, because he goes over to the window, and he says, look, that's... And he's right.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
There was a bomb that was going off in a grocery store. So he was, like, very concerned, but he had suffered greatly because his brother, John and Johan, was killed in the raid in... Uganda, wasn't it?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yeah. Yeah. The dictator of Uganda had taken hostages and the Israelis went in with a commando attack and they succeeded and they made two movies about it. One with Charles Bronson. It was wonderful. But his brother was the only one killed in that raid from the Israeli side. He was killed at the very end. So he's a hero in Israel. There was a lot of vengeance, personal hatred of the Muslim.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I felt that with him, that he did not trust them at all. And I felt that it was echoed by, but other people like Rabin and I also, Perez, Shimon was saying, you know, we have to get along, always.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
That was his, but at the same time, he also said, you cannot trust the Arabs because what they write, what their handwriting, the way they write is very flowery and it doesn't, it's not objective like scientific. That's his interpretation. It was an interesting viewpoint. Even Shimon, who was as humanitarian a person as I know, had distrust of the Arabs. And it's fundamental.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
My wife, my first wife, was Lebanese, so I felt differently. I liked them. I spent time in Lebanon before the war, 75. So I have no problem. And like Sean says, I feel like it's closer to the Crusades than it is to a religious issue.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
So Netanyahu was the only one that he walked away. Yeah, he was dangerous. Because he had such passion. Such passion. And he had a desire. He was young and strong and amazing stamina. Look at this. He's lasted like Putin. He's lasted 23 some years in business like this. Look what he's done, though. He's... Taking this closer to the nuclear winner than ever.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
There's no other person alive that is as dangerous. He's lobbied actively for a war against Iran, which is going to be a war not just against Iran. It's going to be a war against China. It's going to be a war against Russia. It's a very dangerous... Man, I mean, Syria, he's gloating. He's gloating over Syria, but that's not over. He's going to come back and haunt them.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
This thing is so ugly, it's gotten out of hand, and that's because of us supporting Israel blindly without ever questioning them. Kennedy questioned them. That was the whole point that, you know, Kennedy said this nuclear thing is going to stop. We're not going to give them nuclear weapons. And he was adamant about it, and he was going to stop it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
When Johnson took over after the assassination, Johnson turned a blind eye to it. When we knew for sure that they had a weapon in 67, Johnson made sure they didn't announce it. The Pentagon did not announce it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, it happens quite more than you think. People get nervous and they get upset because it takes time. And it's a grueling process over 60 days, 50 days. It depends. And I've seen many people lose their temper. Everyone loses their temper on something, right? Well, it's not fun. It's not fun to be the director of that person, but that happens. And we have to live with it. It's part of life.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, It came at that very strange moment when he's about to go. Remember how close he came to being evicted?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Yes.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Did he learn that from Roy Cohn?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Roy was a drinker, remember, in the movie.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
What did you think about it? I saw it twice.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I saw it twice in the first week. I very much enjoyed it. Very well done. What was your impression? I didn't walk away thinking that Trump was the monster of all time. That was part of that whole campaign. That's why the Democrats overdid it. They overdid everything on Trump. The movie flapped. I don't know why it flapped.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I always said to you, if you remember correctly, I said the worst president we've ever had was George W. Bush, George W. Bush. And I told you why. Because he started the whole war on terror. And I said, what's Trump compared to that? Why are the Democrats having this hysteria about derangements? And no one paid attention. But wait until this thing is cleared, if we ever get through it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
They're happy sometimes and they're miserable some other times. But it's a hard process. It's a life process. Every film takes something out of you. I feel like it's a tree with rings around it. You've got those rings, they build up. I don't know how in the old days they did 50, 60, 80 films. Okay. You have to, to a certain point, you have to be insensitive and cut it off. It's just a role.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
We're going to have to look back at that period from 2001. And that phony election with the Chads and all that. That was the worst moment for me in this century. I remember that night so well when I was going south with Scalia jumping in on the Florida thing and saying, there's an irregularity here. And then they suspended the recount. You wanted Gore at that time? I did want Gore, yes.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And I think it was a key election. I thought it was a whole century turned on it in a way. It was a strange date. It was one of those things like the McKinley election in 1900.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Kennedy was monitoring them and saying, what are they doing?
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
How do you think it's going to be with Trump? I'm worried about that part of it the most. Because I like the possibility. Trump could be, as Sean said, a crusading president. He could be really a change against war. He could move away from all these policies. But his commitment to Israel is insane because it's wholehearted and he has no modification on it.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And he doesn't understand the Arab position. He doesn't understand history, frankly. I wish Sean could spend some time with him.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Give him the Nobel Peace Prize.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
It's just a movie. And you get into a different attitude.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
It's a very key moment.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
That was interesting, as well as Don't Forget Venezuela, which, of course, has a lot of oil. You've said some good things about Maduro sometimes. I've said good things about Chavez, yes. Why Maduro, though? I don't know Maduro. I met him a few times with Hugo. Listen, I'm... Again, I told you earlier, the Democrats were so hysterical about Trump that it turned me off.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
If you look at how hysterical the United States has been on Maduro and the Venezuelan revolution, it turns me off because we've lied, cheated, put other people into, called them president. We played every dirty trick on Venezuela we can, starving them, suffering them. And they've withstood this as best as they could. And for that... They're the underdog, man.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
They're the revolutionaries in this case, believe it or not. Yes, they're not a tyranny because people can leave. They leave all the time.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
No, because they can leave whenever they want. They can walk across the border. Those people are there because there is a Bolivarian revolution.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And how many people did they make? I mean, you have to go back to the beginnings when he educated that population. He gave them a life. They didn't have a life until 1990.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
No, but you had some big fights. Of course I did. Every director has.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
No, I'm for the people.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And all the dirty tricks that go on with that.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
You know who the other candidate was? Mario Corino Machado? Right-wing lady. She's pretty wild. She's pretty much the old way. She's very clear distinction going back to the old Venezuela. There's no hope there.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, I haven't met her. Please don't fall for the propaganda.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Nothing. Shia was a good actor. Very...
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Maybe I'll investigate that. I'd love to go talk to him. If Trump turns his capacity on Venezuela, then we're going to have another war. That's going to be ugly, too. We don't want that. Yeah, this is not a... Those are the two threats right now.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I've heard them. Believe me, I've heard that.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, what do you think about Millet? I think he's working in his way. Absolutely. Everybody from Argentina tells me that. Not everybody. Some people are suffering, yes. But the truth is you can feel both ways.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Maybe we'll come around.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
And so for you... But he was working very hard. I remember that. And he was doing the songs too. He was dead. He was close to dead. He cost us a fortune in massages. You know what I mean? We had about... Every time he wasn't... We had to pay somebody. It was a fortune. Seriously. We went way over budget on that.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Well, the film was over budget because that was a big part of it too.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
It's the wasted money. Yeah, it's the fringes, the fringes. Well, we always try to keep that down in the pictures I made because they were dedicated to a purpose. You know, we're trying to get this thing done. And the studios were never that cooperative with my stuff. It was always a struggle to get it made. You can imagine, even JFK.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
So these were not movies given to the luxury system that Hollywood had in the 80s, 90s then. But Sean is right. The request would be for assistance and assistance and their publicist and that public. And by the time it grows into a little entourage of 10, 10, 8, 9, 10 people. Special people to help them with the accent and help them with the physical trainer has to go.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
Sometimes the gym equipment has to go. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You know, get used to, it's not like the old days, get used to life on location, for Christ's sake.
PBD Podcast
Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522
I haven't worked with that many of them. Stop it. You work with everybody. Yeah, but they were humble at that time. Everybody was humble. Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Pacino. Tom Cruise was young. He hadn't gone into that other hyperspace. You're talking about born on 4th of July. And Charlie was normal.
PBD Podcast
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Charlie Sheen you know it was Willem Dafoe has always been I can't really I don't relate to those kind of people I wouldn't hire them in the first place if possible what would it be mother if they had that reputation you hear about it you know you don't want to have all you don't want all the fringes you have to be careful So you have to set the rules at the beginning.
PBD Podcast
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Listen, I'm going to make this kind of movie. It's going to cost this amount. We got to move at this pace. Are you going to be on board or not? Otherwise, you have to walk away. But sometimes you need them to get the fucking film financed.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2171 - Who Shot JFK?
No, I didn't. In the film, if you look closely, there's no such statements. No, I didn't. If you look closely at the film, there's no... It accuses President Johnson of being part of a complicit and a cover-up of the case.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
I never realized Kennedy was so dangerous to the establishment.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
President Kennedy was murdered by a conspiracy that was planned in advance at the highest levels of our government, and it was carried out by fanatical and disciplined Cold Warriors.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
Y'all got to start thinking on a different level like the CIA does. Now, we're through the looking glass here, people. White is black and black is white.
The Daily
J.F.K., the C.I.A. and the Original ‘Deep State’
The Secretary of Defense should be fired immediately if he's not man enough to own up to his mistakes.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It wasn't as appreciated as it is now. It should be read. How was it received in Washington? Oh, I would think a lot of people didn't like it because they saw him as some kind of idealistic fruitcake. Yes. I really think so. Certainly he'd fired Dulles and he'd fired the top people at the CIA, but I think there's a deeper...
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And this was very much the feeling that McCarthy was saying they're in the schools, they're in the churches, they're in the... But that's just, it was such paranoia. And I think you know that now. You grew up like conservative too. Yes.
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People in economic activity also were upset with him because there were changes in the economics of the play. The Democrats were gearing up for the future. They were going to win the next election. That second term was very important. And they had a third-term possibility with Robert Kennedy and a fourth-term possibility with Teddy Kennedy. There was a possibility of another Roosevelt.
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That was what was terrifying to the Republicans, I think, certainly to my father. And I think that ties in, you asked earlier why, you know, why, and I'm racking my brain, but I go back to my father who was a stockbroker, a very good one, and he was intellectual, he wrote about it.
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To him, it goes back to World War I again, to this concept of they changed their system, they broke the rule, the international, the rules-based order was changed because now Yes. Not only did they break the treaty, no secret treaties was one of the first things they did. And all these treaties from World War I came out. The secret treaties that France, England had signed before the war.
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So you see, that came out and the German treaties came out. So... But it was economic in the sense that in the United States, we had a lot of strikes going on domestically. We'd had strikes going on since the 1870s. There was a worldwide sentiment for revolution in the workers' socialist movement. It infected France, it infected England. I mean, it's well known.
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And Germany was very much moving towards a workers' revolution. So that was the most scary thing to Woodrow Wilson. It was the Russians are going to destabilize the whole world. And Churchill was right there and he wasn't a leader, but certainly the English felt the same way. They were the leaders of World War I. So they had a stake in getting rid of Russia.
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That's why the Starmer's recent comment the other day about punishing Putin to the maximum, It's very striking to me. The British have led the charge against Russia forever.
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see no reason to be at war with russia and i don't know why russia would be an enemy they're part of the west it's shocking to me because what biden did and i voted for him in 2018 he never talked about changing the russia policy yes he never did he never gave us any kind of knowledge of education about what he was thinking but he seems to be
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uh all-out all-out cold warrior yes everything he's done has been to antagonize him in fact he called he called the president of russia a thug and a murderer before he got elected so he hasn't been very diplomatic no i would say not about it it must be strange for you to to have grown up in the democratic party republican party
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Yeah, may I finish my point?
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It's complicated. We're talking about why. I just feel the economics are crucial to understand in the sense that The fear of the Russian Revolution affecting American workers was gigantic. Workers started to emigrate to Russia in the 1920s to work there. Conditions were supposed to be better. We talk about it in the book. And America was moving away from the capitalist ideal that existed.
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I think that plays a huge role coming after World War II, also after World War I. Of course, World War I leads to World War II in my mind, but let's jump to World War II. After World War II, they were terrified, the Republicans were terrified that the Depression would return. The Depression had been a horrible experience for many Americans. They were poor. They had nothing.
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They were terrified that it would come again. So the whole concept started up in the Congress of 45 with the Republicans winning. They won a lot of seats, right? 46, yeah. And they're talking about an economy, a war economy all of a sudden, like keeping people at full employment. What are we going to do with all these men coming back? Yes. And the women have taken their jobs.
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We got to keep people working. So we're going to get into this military business. And that's what we did off and on. We did it through the era up to where Eisenhower says in 1960, you know, he's built the greatest nuclear force and army of all time. Because in 1960, we have how many warheads?
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And China.
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It's very important because there is... It's Annie Jacobson's book. There's no partial victory in this book. It's impossible. Once it gets, it's a chain reaction. Once this thing starts, there's so many different aspects to it. It's a bureaucracy beyond belief. The names, all the names of all the systems we have protecting ourselves. One thing, it's clockwork.
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It's so rare if this, if it hangs, we don't have a fail safe is what I'm trying to say. We really don't. So what does it look like once the chain reaction begins? Oh, she describes it beautifully, minute by minute. She talks about what's going to happen to you, me, and forget about Los Angeles, forget about New York.
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And then nuclear winter is something we discovered in what year?
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Everything has turned around. Everything has turned around. With Peter, we were talking last night, and Peter was my co-author on Untold History of the United States. He taught me a lot of this history because he specializes in it for many years.
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That was the idea in Failsafe. Kubrick didn't know anything about nuclear winter when he did the movie, but he had the underground system being described by the Dr. Strangelove, remember? Yes. By the way, I did a clip. I showed Strangelove to Putin. Dr. Strangel, I showed it to, I wanted him to sit through that climax. Had he seen it before? No, he never heard of it, I don't think.
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And he sat through it with me and it's on film. His reaction is,
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Oh, he knows. He's a very realistic man. This is serious. He doesn't bullshit. He talks very straightforwardly, and I think we don't understand that. Our language is a little more rhetorical than his. Yes. He's pretty consistent. He said this is a red line in Ukraine, and he always has maintained that, and he went to war for it. The red line being NATO up against his border.
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But here we are with this situation where Democrats want war, they push war, they're pushing the strategy of weakening Russia, which is a self-defeating suicidal strategy. What's the purpose of it? What did they do to us? What did they do? I don't understand. I don't know. What did they do to hurt us? And what has Ukraine to do with that distance for us to do this involvement with NATO?
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The Russian minority in Ukraine. They moved into Donbass. Donbass and Lugansk were the issues at that time. Now...
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that was that was what was at stake yes they promised the ukrainians promised to means one and next two they promised to respect the autonomy of those people they never did they started killing them and that there was terrorism ukraine changed in 14 after maidan it became truly a dangerous country because they had a lot of zealots in the government.
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They weren't Nazis, but they were a lot of people like that who were working with the Ukrainians and terrifying the Russians. I don't know, you saw my movie, we've been talking about Ukraine in winter. It's about that Maidan and how these people got into power. That was a violation of the neutrality of Ukraine, which had existed since the end of the Cold War. It's a sad story because we wanted it.
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It was our entree. Obama said, we want neutrality. We want this and that. We want to have a good relationship. And meanwhile, he betrayed it. He betrayed it with the, Maidan broke into violence. I don't know if you know all the details, but there was a lot of killing of the protesters.
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And the evidence is really pointing heavily to the neo-fascists there who came in and shot these people from these rooftops that were controlled by the Ukrainian side. It's a very sad story.
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This NATO... Also, for me, as a half-European, my mother is French, I spent time in Europe as a kid. What I've seen is a huge change in Europe. That's what's terrifying to me. Why? The people don't want war, but the EU, which is this political overrider, seems to want war. And because the leadership in the EU is...
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We announced it as we were catching the butchers, the people who were dictators in Serbia.
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And that was our excuse. But essentially, it was a much more... important destabilization of, we bombed a city in Europe. Yes. Belgrade for 99 days. I mean, think about it. We came into the war and called it, it's a complicated war. There were two peace treaties. Don't have time here to go into it. But essentially, we wanted to balkanize Yugoslavia, which we did. Yes.
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The same way we're going to balkanize Syria now. Yes. This is American policy. Divide, conquer, divide, conquer. Balkanize it. Cut it up into Kosovo was a violation at the deepest level of everything we're talking about. We talk about the rules-based order. Yes. They had a referendum that was a little bit shady. And we said, they're free. They're no longer part of Serbia.
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Kosovo was a gangster state. It's a whole, I was there, I don't know. I can't tell you. It's grim what happened to them.
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And don't forget, in Iraq, when we went in there, Germany, France, and Russia did not join. They did not agree with that. Schroeder and Chirac. It's important because what's happened now is the opposite. France and Germany are all for leading the charge. there's been a change in values. And you say, where? I don't know why.
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I think there's some kind of, NATO is not the one, but it's sort of an elitism that has come into being in Europe, an elitism of the leaders coming from a university where they're trained to be leaders. but they all think alike. That's what surprises me. Frankly, Farage, whatever he says, he's different. At least he says something that's different. Le Pen says something different.
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So that's why these people are appealing to people because they're saying there has to be some peace. This is madness.
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that's part of it too the media is in on it and they're very very critical of people who who differ in this country you've noticed the censorship has gotten far where you you suffered from it yeah well certainly i suffered from it i mean it's you're you're insulated because you're epic tenure but uh how many oscars have you won uh i won three you've won three a long time ago right
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um no but essentially i got cut off because i did the putin interviews didn't help me in in hollywood but you've been cut off before then i think hadn't you no my my ability to make films was choked a little you know there is a after 2000 things changed in the united states because we became the victim. We were suddenly the patriotism of the soldiers. We started Pearl Harbor, Black Hawk Down.
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All the films were different mentality than what I was presenting, which was a reality, I thought, to the American public, that this military has to be Why are we doing these military expeditions overseas? This is like in Vietnam. This was my main point. I kept going at it and going at it. And I guess all of a sudden it became okay. But the people never voted. There was no candidate.
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There was no election that said, I'm against any empire. I want to bring it back like back in William Jennings Bryan's back in 1898. I don't want empire. We never got the choice.
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very elite people who seem to come from the same school, factory, or whatever they're produced by. They seem to think the same way, that Russia is going to invade Europe again, that we're back to that World War II argument, which was nonsense in the first place. Yes. So here, Russia wants Ukraine, and then they're going to go for Poland. That's what Kamala Harris said at one point.
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Nor Robert Kennedy, nor Lyndon Johnson.
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Connolly. Jackie Kennedy. So many people. Hale Boggs. Friedel Castro, Charles de Gaulle, various British leaders, Harold MacMillan. Did you ever talk to Castro? You knew Castro. Yeah, sure. What did he say about it? He was so sad because he really was like Kennedy and he was hoping for a deal. They were in backdoor negotiations.
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Kennedy understood the Cuban Revolution and he said eloquent about it. He understood why the people were, that Cuba had been the most corrupt island in the American empire and the Caribbean since the platinum in 2001, 1901. But a lot of this is economic. Let's not lose sight of that. You see what they got after World War II was an economic empire, which is, it was working.
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People were investing in the war economy and they were prosperous. Yes. But you saw the budgets grew and grew and grew. Here we are now with a trillion dollar defense budget, right? Which is insane because we have how many bases abroad? 800 bases? That was never the intention of Eisenhower or any of those people to control the world, to dominate every place in the world.
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This is Asia and Europe and South America. This is a gigantic empire. Do you realize how busy they are every day trying to run this thing?
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everything is coming i personally i believe there's an invasion coming up it's either going to be iran or but i hope not israel is a proxy army for us certainly trump supports them you know that trump supports trump is very zealous about israel scary but also don't overlook venezuela which is still the one of the richest countries in the world with all its oil
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Some people believe that is an easy target for Trump to knock off. I pray not, because it's going to be a battle. But this doesn't end, is what I'm saying. They plot every day. Imagine the world map. You've got the China challenge, right? Sending ships constantly stating our supremacy, right, in the seas, freedom of the seas. Freedom of navigation. And China... It's crazy.
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I mean, I understand economically, take it on, be competitive with China, fine. But we can be economically friendly. In other words, we can be competitors. I don't see why we can't be in business together, as with Russia. Russia was a capitalist country. It's no longer a communist country. So as much as we hate communism, it doesn't make sense to antagonize Russia.
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That's the stupidest statement I've ever heard, I think, from a political leader. Just ignorant. No education, no history.
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They can be our partners in climate change in so many ways. Their nuclear energy industry is one of the best in the world, as is China. They can teach us. We can build SMRs in quantity if we wanted to. We can really solve climate change. We don't have to sit here victims of it. But this is all, this is Kennedy thinking. This is what we need. We need leadership.
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We need a de Gaulle, somebody who has a vision of the world. Trump, to some degree, has a vision.
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Condemned the NATO expansion for sure. In 99, Clinton expanded NATO. Yeah. And Kennan was horrified, horrified.
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It's got to be education. It's got to be propaganda. They believe these things. The woman who runs the EU, Ursula, she constantly says these things that are...
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ignorant ignorant of what's happened in the last 20 30 years ignorant what happened in the 90s in russia she's just they're not taking this into account i talked to mackerel at one point and he was a very reasonable man i thought he was saying things like we need more nuclear energy in france right great and now he turns around and he's saying that putin's he's ready to send french troops into ukraine
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No, I say that was the original reason we were antagonistic to Russia. Yes. It wasn't military. It was economic. Because we had strikes in this country, and we were trying to control labor. And the large corporations were in a deathly struggle with labor. Up until the end of World War II, Taft-Hartley, that was a big issue.
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There were so many strikes during the war, people don't even take that into account. There was huge strikes in Detroit, cars, steel. And after the war, it was continuing. And until Taft-Hartley came along, which allowed them to close down any strike that was dangerous to the national security, I think, But in the 30s, that's what motivated Roosevelt's turn to the left.
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No, it's very hard for me. I mean, a military-type theme, these kind of things I'm talking about with you, I couldn't do this as a movie now. I could do the Putin interviews because that was a documentary. Yes. And I could do nuclear energy because I cared about that. That was a documentary, pro-nuclear energy. So I'm interested in ideas, but in terms of drama, I have to curb it.
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I can't go to where my imagination wants to go. Why? Well, they say to you, they never tell you the truth. They tell you it's too controversial, too political, too this, too that. I don't think I've lost my touch. I have to live with it. It's okay. I live with it. I'm writing a book, another book. I wrote a book or a memoir, a first part of my life.
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The British are the worst stormer. This new prime minister, Labour prime minister, you know who he is? He said yes two days ago. He said, we have to punish Putin to the maximum. because he's relentless. That's what he said. We have to punish. So there's an aspect, a personal thing about Putin.
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I'm going to write another one from 40 on, the age of 40 to wherever I am now. So,
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That's the thing. They don't take on the biggest. Oppenheimer is an interesting movie. I liked it as a movie. I loved it. There are some flaws in it, you know. The big flaw being that Truman is honestly pictured knocking Oppenheimer. Remember, that's a great scene in the movie. But what's ignored in the film is, for example, General Groves.
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Leslie Groves is one of the most anti-communist generals we ever had, a total cold warrior from beginning to end. He said, quote, the quotes in the book, from the beginning, the Manhattan Project was created to address the Russian Empire. You know the line? Yeah, of course. Nothing more. It was not about Japan. It was about Russia.
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Well, yeah, the Russians were in the war at that time. We knew that Japan was finished, but we had to keep going in those crucial few days to establish the weapon. And Leslie Groves, I mean, Matt Damon played him a very good performance, but I don't know. That's not Leslie Groves. It's not Leslie Groves.
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And it doesn't go into the issue of whether, why we, Oppenheimer, I don't know, I'm sure Oppenheimer got an inkling of it later, no? Yes. At the time.
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And then he got into trouble. That's when he really, he was in trouble.
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Once you cross the Rubicon, you have to cross.
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so speaking you're across the rubicon yes i i have crossed it um but when you came back uh from interviewing putin for your documentary it was released what was the reaction like quiet in l.a people they don't talk to me publicly they it's always behind closed doors right did you hesitate before doing it not really because it was fascinating new material my producer set up
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no i was doing snowden in 2013 which was a very brave movie because we were dealing with a man who was exiled who i thought was a hero and was treated i agree as if he was a traitor so i wanted to make that move in making that movie i had to go to moscow to finish it and i met putin there and we talked about snowden first because that was where we met and what he said about snowden is he says in the movie is it's very true he didn't like what snowden did no
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And he would have punished him probably the same way, but he understood the mechanics of it. Meanwhile, we got to know each other and my producer said, let's do an interview with him because he's a crucial figure right now. Yeah, we didn't know what was coming. We didn't know about the coup at that point. So we set up these interviews and we were talking
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The coup had just happened at that point, so he was upset. And I, as an American, didn't really know the situation, so I was treating it like, you know, Ukraine, okay, what's the big deal? I mean, it's another one of the countries like Georgia, I thought.
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Like Biden made it personal, saying he can get a thug and a murderer, and Starmer saying he has to be punished. Putin has to be punished, not Russia. It's bizarre. We didn't talk like this back when we were mature, back in the 50s, 60s, when we talked about Russia as an enemy because we thought it was adversarial. Yes.
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And he looked at me, no, it's not a big deal for us, Mr. Stone. And he explained in the movie, what? I think he says that on tape. And I understand Ukraine better and better, but at first I didn't, I talked to Ukrainians. It was evident. I mean, it was coming. This thing is very dangerous.
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It was a firecracker from 2014 on because it was a violation at the heart of the Soviet empire, of the Russian empire. That underbelly is where the invasions happened.
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It's not just him. It's Russia. If he goes, if he's out and if Biden gets his wish and all these nutcases want to remove him, take him out. Fine, kill him. But it's not going to solve it. Russia is Russia. It's going to stay loyal to what it believes in. There is a... They don't have a democratic vote, but they have a consensus. If Putin was not doing what the people wanted, he'd be out.
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That's the way it works. It takes maybe a couple of years more, but it doesn't. That's the way Russia works. if the Tsar didn't work out, they get rid of him, you know? And they shot him too. Remember, that's one of the reasons the Japanese were terrified of the Russians and why they surrendered, because they didn't want the Russians to invade the homeland. That was a big fear.
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But the Russian people are very strong, but they're passive. So they talk in certain ways. You know, we believe the Moscow crowd, but the Moscow crowd doesn't talk for Russia. It's a bigger consensus.
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Absolutely.
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I disagree with that, but we thought so and we acted as such, but we didn't personally insult Khrushchev or Brezhnev. Of course. And here we are insulting them constantly. So Biden, I think, is, some people say Blinken has taken control of his mind. I don't know. But Anthony Blinken is trained in the Hillary Clinton diplomatic school. He was, for many years, he's been under her wing. Yes.
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So is, I gather, Jake Sullivan.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
A lot. I can't tell you. I mean, he's a cool customer, as you know. He's seen a lot. He's been there for 23 years. I mean, he knows every world leader. He's seen six American presidents come and go. I would say he qualifies as a statesman and a wise man. Yes. And we don't pay any attention to him. We should. We should respect him. He has the experience.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Okay. Yeah.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
He understands the American system, how it sends new leaders in and they change the policies all the time. But he thinks there is a deep state. That deep state. In the United States. Yeah. And that's what he has to deal with. And that deep state is very dangerous because when we started our conversations over three years, it was... our partners, the Americans. And I got irritated.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
I said, why do you keep saying our partners, the Americans? They don't express these sentiments at all towards you. You're considered a murderer by Mr. Biden. And they think you kill people, you know, that you're some kind of character out of a James Bond spy movie. They keep talking about KGB, ignoring the fact that George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush was the head of the CIA.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
What does that mean? They're a strong Christian culture, very much this concept of a, they don't, interesting thing, they go to church, they don't sit. at all during the service. They stand the whole time. That's serious too, if you remember going to Sunday school. So we're more Protestant. We're a divided culture and there are so many sects.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
There's the Jewish sect, there's Arabs, there's this, and then we're all into different things. Some people are atheists, some people don't know agnostics, this, that. The Russians feel that we have lost touch with Christianity and that we're moving towards more of a satanic culture. And I can understand why, because we have embraced the bomb.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Here's the episode. I've been talking about it off and on since 2014 when the Ukraine thing happened. Yes. I was saying this is frightfully like there's a lot of elements of World War I, the alliances, the NATO alliance and the United States' involvement.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
We've embraced regime change, corruption in all these countries. We believe in the dollar controlling the world. They don't see hope in our way of life. They see people who are exhausting themselves competitively. And dropping dead, you know, our health, as Means told you in your interview, we spend more on health than anybody and we die sooner. Our expectation, life expectancy is very low.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
And our quality of life is not up to the other countries, you know. Europe is better. So there is a lot of big question about America. We say we're, you know, we see ourselves as a great country. And I think in many ways we are. And I'd like to see it. But I think our greatness is tied to some humility in the sense of,
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
What we were fighting for, Abraham Lincoln, in holding the country together, made some of the greatest speeches and a purpose of life. But he was a very strong Christian. Remember that? Yes. Very strong sense of God. And that, you know, the grapes of wrath are marching on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Putin goes to church, but he's not an evangelist or anything like that. Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
no it's uh interesting but i i you're asked that they fundamentally have to be respected you people who really study your russian culture love it i've saw americans over there they love it they they read the literature they understand the culture they speak russian uh it's a you have a russian background you told me your story well um
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
The whole concept of what Rome, I mean, Rome moved east, the new Rome, and that they were the inheritors of our empire. And that's where they fought the Turks and all that. There was all these conflicts. But it's interesting what's going on with Ukraine because they changed the rules in the church. They formed a new church. They're no longer Orthodox Russian. Yes.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Well, they don't have religious freedom there. And they're accusing the Russians of distorting their religion.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
But it's very strange. So Ukraine is also, this is, it's a religious battle too. They changed everything Russian. Do you know that Zelensky didn't even speak Ukrainian? He learned it, he learned it quickly.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Yeah. So they really banned the language. They really went against Russia. They tried to root it out. They hated Russia. Some people hated Russians, and they turned it into a campaign like Hitler, a Hitler campaign of genocide. Against Russia. Against Russia, yeah. That war in Donbass started in 2014, 15. Yes. Maybe 16, but it got worse and worse. It was in 22 when the thing blew up.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
They were on the verge of invading Donbass. They had 100,000 troops on the border, Ukrainian troops, well-trained by the Americans. With all our work there, our CIA, our advisors, we had really trained that Ukrainian army. That was a deliberate, deliberate manipulation. We did not abide by the treaty. The treaty was intended for a peace, make an interim peace.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
But as Merkel said, the Ukrainians saw it as a way to use the time to build up their army. Yeah, they wanted to buy time. Hollande also said that. To reconquer Donbass. That's what they wanted to do. And they would have killed a lot more people.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Well, he announces everything, so Biden is counter-moving him on every regard. It's very dangerous. You can't say what you're going to do in a new administration, especially this one, right? What do you do? I mean, how do you...
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It's economic with Trump. That's what I think.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
So it's possible we're not going to go that way. That's the only hope we have, to make a deal.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
We're going to have to inherit Ukraine. We're just going to have to pay it, keep paying and paying and paying. We got to keep it up. And somehow he'll make some kind of phony state, you know, like create like a Laos or Vietnam. Yeah, kind of a half state and keep it alive. Spend a lot of taxpayer money and it's a front. A front for what? For NATO in a way, but Ukraine has to stay NATO free.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It does. And so does Georgia. Otherwise, it's going to be, the Russians won't accept that.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
That's basically it. They never invaded Europe. They never could. They never had the intention to. And Mr., as I said to you earlier, Kamala Harris said something so stupid, like the moment they win in Ukraine, they're going to march into Poland. It's nuts.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
I mean, this doesn't make any sense. It's not at all that way. He didn't do anything like that. He was in office for 23 years. What did he do? Very little in terms of expansion. It was just their borders, their security. That's what it's about, their security. Let me thrive. Let me build up my country economically. Let me do this. And that's what he did with Russia.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Russia did very well up until the war.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It's a good line.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Oh, he wants to keep what he earned. Yeah.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
America was fine with that. That's what they said, weaken Russia, weaken Russia. Yeah, weaken Russia. And build up our armaments industry.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
How close do you think we are to nuclear war right now? That's why I came up here. Yes. Or down here. Yes. Just tell you, I'm scared. I'm really scared.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Henry Wallace was from Iowa. Yeah.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Yeah, Wilson wouldn't meet with Ho Chi Minh from Vietnam. Yes. Famous story, yeah. Yeah. There's an interesting... Played by Arthur Miller. His first play, All My Sons. You ever see it? No. Yeah. Oh, they made it. It was a big hit before Salesman. And it was made into a movie. But it's about war profiteering. There are two sons and the...
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
The older son goes against the father when he finds out that the father has been making defective parts and his brother is killed in one of the planes that crashes because they're defective, which happens a lot more now than ever because we have such a corrupt system. They have crashes of this new F-35. It's the biggest boondoggle of all time.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
So it seems like this, and that play had a huge impact. It was Broadway, 1945, six. You know, that's part of the reality of war is that people make money with it. And people knew that then at that level. And it goes on and on. It's gotten worse. The profiteering, Gerald Nye should come out of the fucking woodwork now and investigate.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Well, people like me followed Robert Kennedy, too. I followed Robert to Trump's camp. Yes. Not that I was, Robert was, I was the medium. Yes. He's, I like what he's saying and I hope he does it. I hope he achieves it. Whether Trump keeps his word with him, we'll see. I think he will. Do you know others in Hollywood who did the same? Yeah, I think there's a lot of people who went with Kennedy.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
I think a lot. To Trump? Yeah. Amazing. Did they talk about it? For Kennedy, so their vote canceled out, you know. Yeah. In California, Kennedy was on the ballot. He asked all his people to vote in swing states for Trump. Anyway, I like people who are shaking up the system, who are asking questions. And the media is very, very hard on these people. Very hard. Yes.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It's like dissent is not allowed anymore. This is not the American way.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Why not? If he's willing to break with some of the pharma companies and some of the... And that's going to be hard because of money, but who knows how it works. Trump's a... He's an idiosyncratic candidate. Yes. He knows that he is. He's a... I don't think he's a one-shot. I think Vance will inherit, and people like that, they will inherit that. What do you think of Vance?
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Well, I think he'll do what Trump wants. Yeah, I think that's important. There's got to be some change. If there's no change in this world, America cannot continue on this course. It cannot. And it knows it. It knows it in its gut. You know it. I do know it. Yeah.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
They much more accept it, yeah. So do you- That was the critics.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Oh, I know. Yeah, it did well. It did very well, surprisingly well.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Which is why I did this documentary that I want you to see. revisited. This is about the Assassination Records Review Board. They did good work. They didn't do everything, but they did some very good work and brought out new facts that are in this. So why aren't, why are the intel agencies still holding on? Trump had a shot in 2016 and he blew it. He got pressure. From Pompeo?
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
From Pompeo and those guys. And then Biden killed it. And Biden... know what he was doing. This is a very bad action he did. He's undercutting Congress, but they've been doing that for years anyway.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Well, there's obviously some bullshit in there. Yeah, obviously. I mean, I'm not saying those are the who killed them names, but we should know more about those CIA guys. There's files on them. Yes. What was Angleton up to? That's a big deal. James Angleton, the counterterrorism chief. What was Phillips, Dave Phillips, David Phillips up to?
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
And its hatred for Russia is astonishing to me, considering the recent history, the last 20 years before that, there was no reason for us to pick on Russia and go back to this Cold War, Neo-Cold War that we have. That's what I don't understand. And I've been talking to Peter about it.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
He was a very important factor in the Latin American operation from Guatemala on. He was the handler for Oswald. And Clay Shaw is in there. There's a bunch of people that are, oh, the fellow for Joe Enides, the Moreland chasing, George Joe Enides. He's dirty all the way. He was in from the beginning and they covered it up at the time. They brought him back as a witness for the HSCA.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Anyway, oh, and Harvey, Bill Harvey. I think he needs to be checked out.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
You know, they declare everything a secret, everything practically. It's just, it's standard now.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Yes. It's a habit. It's like a dog peeing on a hydrant. It just goes on and on and on. I don't understand. If there's names and stuff, they redact it. They redact it. So I'm not looking to government, but I am looking to honesty. That's what I'm looking for. And these bureaucrats in the government, how do they feel? What do they feel about their lives?
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Are they working for us or are they working for secrecy? The people have not been dealt with honestly. And we know that. I think Americans know that. I think Americans are very cynical about the government.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
He was commuted.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
He pleaded a one charge. Yes. But he can't come here.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
I think it's a mystery. In what sense? I think it's a mystery. I don't think it's solved. No. Because all the events of 9-11 have not come out. No, they haven't. Why do you think that is? I would have to really study this, but it's just so many questions I have, so many... This is not the subject today, but it leads to this...
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
feeling that there's a cabal or something in washington that has been there kind of a strange ghost-like cabal that goes back to the 60s with kennedy's murder yes that continues in some strange embodiment today and i don't ask it sounds it sounds like it but it's a strange concept but i you have to think about it well we can't assess it because the files are still classified
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Let's talk about conspiracies now. I mean, a lot of the lunatics have come out of the asylum, no doubt. Yes. But there's a lot out there in the public that really should be examined and questioned and asked. And that's what the establishment's freaking out because we're overloading it. You know, it's running over the rapids now. They can't defend them anymore. Yes.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It defies logic because he says it's the neocons in Washington that started, and they never left, you know, they were always there. Brzezinski from the Carter days. These are old arguments. I heard them with my father, who was a conservative, relatively conservative, in New York City back in 1950. that the Russians were going to invade us.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Well, yeah, in a sense, I mean, I'd love to see Kennedy understood better by the mass because, you know, you still hear this silly, Lee Harvey Oswald did it stuff, you know what I mean? Allegedly, they never said alleged, you know, alleged killer. They always say killer. But, you know, those are... I feel sorry that that happened, but that's a bigger story now.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It's a bigger story because now it's the world is at stake. It's not the life of one man. He had a vision, as Peter said, of humanizing Russia, bringing them into the world community. That was defeated when he was killed. That was very badly defeated. Khrushchev fell shortly thereafter, the premier of Russia. He fell too because he wasn't sufficiently strong with the United States. So