Oliver Stone
Appearances
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Winner in the Oscar goes to Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone for Midnight Express. Oliver Stone, born on the 4th of July.
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It becomes a double-edged sword.
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That's probably true. It's probably true, yeah. We were having issues on the first. It was the wrong. He approached it. I have to say, he may not agree with me. He's right. But he approached the movie like it was the streets of San Francisco or something. You know, one of the TV series that he did. It was just not the depth that I was looking for. I needed to. He was a major figure in the film.
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He was the antagonist. And frankly, he got an Academy Award, so something happened. He deepened in that movie as an actor. What do you tell him, though? What do you tell him? Well, you have to, first of all, deal with it. You have to deal with what you're seeing. I mean, you may not be right. It might be too subjective. But tell the actor, be honest.
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If it's the time to be honest, sometimes you hold back.
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You have to be. You have to tell the truth to some degree. You can't just fake it. I hate those directors who always say, oh, great job, great job. The words become meaningless. The currency, useless. You have to have some truth factor in all your relationships. Otherwise, you're a boutique. Otherwise, you're just being a showman. You're a traffic cop.
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I think I was famous for walking on eggshells.
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No, I don't. I never said that on purpose unless something was going wrong. You know, for example, let's say an actress comes in and she's more concerned about.
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She's more concerned about her, the way she looks and the way she doesn't give a damn about the movie or the other people. It's just her. And when you have that kind of egocentric personality, you have to. You have to move away from that. You have to get more into the shadows.
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You have to start dealing with that psyche, and that's not easy sometimes because some people are very hung up on themselves. How much of it is private? How much of it is public around everybody? You know something? That's a good question because usually I keep everything private, but the crew feels it. The crew knows. In fact, sometimes the crew knows ahead of the director. You hear the words.
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You know, the ADs, they talk, and... The Cameron crews are very sharp. They've been on a lot of movies. If the actress or actor is a dud, they know it. And they'll let you know it. If he or she is not up to par, they'll let you know. It's an interesting thing that goes on. It's dynamic. By the way, let me ask you this.
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I went into arms as a soldier eventually in 67, 8. And I saw things that just shocked me. Open my eyes, I'd never be the same again. Combat is a searing experience. And devastating to what your sense of life is worth. Your sense of self. You have no illusions about yourself. Or what life comes down to. It comes down to a very basic thing. Survival.
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Yeah, I just asked him and he was very friendly about it. Yeah, he was making a comeback at that time. Was he upset that he was not the guy playing in Wall Street? No, because he was a younger man. It was another kind of time. 20 years had passed. So, in other words, Gekko was 60. Coming out of jail and Creed and all this stuff. He's coming up with his book launch. Yes, another young man.
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And Josh Brolin was playing a key role. He was playing the Gekko role as a young man. Oh, I'm sorry. So that was a whole different ballgame.
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If you like Gordon Gekko as a father, you might kill yourself too. Yeah, I'm looking at this. That was a great cast. And Frank Langella, I have to say, played an old tycoon. He was perfect.
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I had empty calories feeling. It's certainly watchable. It's good, well-made Ridley film, but I didn't care about the people. I wasn't invested. Your comparison of one versus two. One was a classic. Two was empty calories. Like a commercial product.
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Because you're a gladiator yourself. You know, you're powerful. And you probably didn't like the physique of the guy as much.
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He said he was dead. His character was dead. It's all fiction anyway. There was nothing realistic about it.
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Well, first of all, I would have conceived a different script. But it's important. It's a new concept. That was the way it was created, and maybe that's good. What does the dinosaur film have to do with the previous dinosaur film? Jurassic World. Jurassic World. What does that have to do with it? Why would you talk to the previous dinosaur?
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Everything, yeah. It's a whole experience. It's a life. No, I don't focus on one part or aspect of it.
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I love movies. I love movies, too, from your lens. There's actually three, four hundred. I mean, he knows. I watch old movies along with new movies. So I mix it up, and I get confused sometimes as to what... I don't remember all the things I saw. Give me a list and I'll tell you.
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Sound of Music. Really? You know, there are old movies. That's one of my dad's favorites. There's hundreds of movies that are great. Listen, if we stopped making movies now and no more movies were made, I'd be fine. I mean, there's enough there for the rest of time, you know, honestly. And also, I discover old movies that I didn't see, which is a wonderful experience.
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I think there's a... You know what? In the Renaissance, there's a period when they all talk about Italy and they all talk about Flemish painting. That's what we're in. The movie business was that moment. We have those hundreds and hundreds of paintings. We should enjoy them all.
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That's what critics do. I don't want to do that. They say the 10 best, the best. That's such a bullshit. That's not the question. Yeah, it is because you tend to narrow things down. People have to say, I saw that movie, but it's better than that one. Come on, just wake up.
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Ask Sean, he grew up in the 1980s. Ask him what, you remember, you saw it 20 times.
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Where's my camera? I don't see myself. You have six cameras on you.
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But what are some of the films that did less well in the 80s you loved? Countless, countless.
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Documentaries are very important to me, and I did 20 of them, or 15, I don't know. But the reason is they bring you back to the research world, the real world, the world that you're actually dealing with people who are live, and you're getting in touch with that aspect of yourself. Whereas if you live on a stage or live with a fictional film, it's another world.
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It's a good question.
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It's artificial, and you're constantly trying to create realities So it's a real challenge. That's why it's important to stay in touch with the real world. And a lot of Hollywood people do not. I mean, the reason I'm into contemporary events, I mean, look at the films I did in the last 20. World Trade Center, W, the film of George Bush. I stayed current. I wanted to know what was going on.
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What is the most impressive thing? Giving birth.
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The last one was Snowden. We did it on the cusp of what happened. And it was very important to me to know what was going on in computers at that point. I don't regret that. You know, they may not have done as well because the American century changed. After 2001, we became another animal, you know. And that affected the culture and the appreciation. And the generation changed.
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And a new generation came along who didn't know the same things that the 1980s and 70s generation knew. Think about it that way. Is that fair to say that you're an anomaly for that? No, I think I cared about events that were going on around us. And when I see some of the treatment of the current events, Hollywood doesn't care. They don't base their films on that.
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They don't want to reflect reality necessarily. Yeah, they'd love to get the money from it, but it's a creation of fantasy too. And the films don't deal with the American century. What did America become after 2001? Those films don't really deal with it. It's another, more imperialist, more authoritarian, more patriotic, more militaristic. I mean, come on. That has to be reflected in movies.
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Maybe Gladiator reflects that, but maybe it does.
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I meet a lot of Hollywood directors, producers. We never talk about current events because I don't get any sense, a lot of interest in it. We always talk about artificial stuff, which is fun sometimes. It talks about movies. That's another world.
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Documentaries as a whole, I've gotten so much introduction to the world through documentaries, meeting Chavez and Castro, meeting the Israelis, meeting Putin, and nuclear energy. That was not about a person. That was about an issue. Come on, that was a very difficult movie for me to make. All I talked to was scientists.
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He got kicked out of the hospital?
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He was happy. No, that's not true. You know, it takes a long time. You have to sit there and sit there. 12 hours sometimes. And it was a Saturday or something, and I wanted to see that game. So my wife was, my wife, I said, I'm going to go out and come back. And I came back with a pizza. I'll never forget. It was nauseating, the smell. She couldn't take it. So she asked me, get the fuck out.
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So often it's the importance of it, you know, like to me nuclear energy was very important because we're facing climate change. If you accept that, what are we going to do? Are we providing the solution? And if you study the issue and really study it and talk to people, you have to doubt the conventional idea that we're going to be saved by renewables. It's the first thing that comes up.
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People say, what are we doing? We still have, why are we not improving? Why is the carbon dioxide still the same? After all these renewables, after all the trillions of dollars we've spent. Look at Germany. I mean, the whole concept of going to nuclear was caused by that because we have to wake up and we don't. And that's why you have to make something because this is urgent. Look at that poster.
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There's not a person, not a face on it, right? That poster. It's not necessarily, it looked like a Walt Disney space picture or something. I'm not going to run out and see that. That's the problem.
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Because I had to. Because we're all going to fry. I don't want him to walk around and burn up. It's going to be very tough. Unless we deal with this energy issue, there has to be solutions. Everyone's thinking of the future. There's going to be a solution. We're going to figure it out. Well, we've got to get serious now, back then.
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You may not agree with me, and a lot of people don't, but my God, I think it's a burning issue of our day. But beyond Ukraine, beyond Joe Biden and Donald Trump, this is a real, real significant. Look at the figures.
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She was screaming. But then I came back. I saw him being born, by the way. I saw him coming out.
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So what did you learn at the end of the documentary? Among other things, the fear was ridiculous because there was none of those accidents really added up to anything compared to the other waste products of other energies such as gas and oil and coal.
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New countries are coming into it. Yeah, Russia is doing a very good job of constructing reactors abroad in other countries. They're selling the product. China is doing it. And they're also devised. They're working very hard. China and Russia have SMRs. which are the small modular reactors, they have them. The United States is still working on it. We're way behind.
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But I do believe we'll come up with a design for an SMR that will be accepted through our regulation process, which is tedious and costs... That's why it costs so much. We don't approve anything. It's like a bad business, right? We're... We're choked. We don't allow new stuff unless it's fancy and has a purpose. It's just very hard to get new designs in. We have to change our ways.
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And I think the SMRs, hopefully, will be there by 2030. Hopefully. I know Westinghouse is working on one, and General Electric. They have good stuff coming. What do you think about China? China is great. They're doing so much in terms of building, not only nuclear reactors, but they're building... I lament their use of coal still. Yes, that's very evil.
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But they are doing better and better and better, and they're amazing, some of their buildings. Amazing. They're the future. You're saying China's the future. It looks like it. They're doing the best, most modernistic work. And I have high hopes for the rest of the world. I mean, if you go to your countries, I mean, go out there to the stands.
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Go out to that, you know, I did a documentary about Kazakhstan. It's an amazing place. It's very future thinking. A whole new generation. building things, creating new cities.
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That's the way you think. Movies are a bad deal. Every time you have to make a new business every few years, it just doesn't work. You make a movie and they don't accept it. They don't understand it. It's ahead of its time, behind its time, whatever. It's not that easy, you know. So you spend two, three years of your life making a movie. I don't think it's an economical business.
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I wouldn't go into it for that reason. You go into it as an artist, and frankly, you say, I want to make this. My passion is here. It's the most important thing in the world to me right now, and blah, blah, blah.
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No, it didn't work for me. It doesn't work for me because you have to have a certain, he does what he does. You have to admire him. He was my teacher at NYU. Scorsese. He's lasted this long and he's great. He's good. Listen, he's made his deal.
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I was paying attention. How about later on?
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Yeah, my father would always talk about, we could have done it better, meaning there was something wrong with the hole in the movie and the hole in the story, the logic, the logic of it. But then you become too logic-ridden, and sometimes that undercuts you.
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And that's happened to me, I made films so, in a way, they wound themselves into a complicate, a knot by the third act, and then you gotta get out of the knot.
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You saw The Hand, my horror film, and Seizure, my first film out of NYU. Okay. Yeah, no, but I had written Midnight Express, so he knew that I was on my way in that business, and I'd written a Conan and my screenwriting stuff.
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No, I never saw it with him because my dad was, you know, he was an economist. He was very much a Wall Street man. But even at the end of his life, his conservatism was vanishing. He said at the end of his life, he said, you know, we made a big deal about Russia all my life. That was the thing of the Cold War. It was a really big deal. He scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
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So by the end of his life, by the late 70s and early 80s, you know, after the... Well, Reagan, it's true, he was in the middle of the Reagan era, but even Reagan started to let up after the near scare of Abel Archer in 1983. We had a near nuclear war with Russia. It was ridiculous. It was out of fear.
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And after that, if you remember, Reagan and Gorbachev got together in 86 and started the whole process of detente, which we've forgotten about. But we almost had a moment when we banned nuclear weapons completely from the earth. That almost happened. They'd reached a friendly moment when Reagan was a very affable man that way. And he said, why not? He said, why not? Why don't we get rid of them?
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And then, of course, the guy's on his spot. That's my father. And the guys behind him said, no, you can't do that, you can't. But George Shultz was in favor of that. He was the Secretary of State at that time. So it's possible. I mean, we can think differently, but sometimes we close up into our balls of fear.
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No, that was based on the fact that we had all those scandals and all those young people were starting to make money, you see. My dad was the old Wall Street. I pictured that in the picture with Hal Holbrook and the father figure of Martin Sheen, who was a union leader. The younger crowd was amoral. A lot of them were into the business. People were making... Big money.
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I mean, I don't know if you remember, 83, 84, 85, people were making millions of dollars at the age of 28, 29. That was outrageous. We never had even seen that kind of money before. Young people were supposed to, you know, you don't make big money until you're 40s, 50s, right?
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Yeah, that was a penny stock crowd, but they were never mainstream. They were the sidestream. The people I'm talking about were mainstream. They were joining the mainstream, and they were controlling the stocks. We had those people. They were coming on.
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And if you look very closely at the whole, the Gordon Gekko types ended up being the banks by the 2010 period when I did Wall Street Money Never Sleeps because that was the idea, is that the independent traders became this, by 2010, had so gamed the system and so inflated the system that they were the new chiefs. What do you think about Joseph Kennedy? What about him? I like him.
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I mean, he did amazing stuff. He created a clan. He nourished his kids to become leaders. And he was a very good father in the end. He turned out to be a very good father.
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No, he was the progenitor of a family. I admired John, as you know, and Robert very much, and Ted too, as well as the sisters.
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Is it on him? It's a wonderful book. Yeah, it's about Joe Kennedy, but it's a fiction. Fictionalized version.
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1969.
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312.
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There was a long period, and he was on the outs. Roosevelt wouldn't talk to him. He was down on his luck. He couldn't get the impact he wanted. He became frustrated during the war. He wasn't respected. And then after the war, he bounced back with his... His oldest son died, killed in an accident in war. And then his second son, he groomed belatedly for the presidency. He won the Senate.
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He won the House in 47 or 47, yeah, about 47. And then Senator in 52, right? So he groomed John as his replacements. And you don't want to do anything on them? It's a great story, but it's, I kind of, I know the story. I mean, I don't, the world doesn't know the story. There's another story about Kennedy I would like to sell. What's that? But they won't let me do that.
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I'm not going to give you a quick summation.
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Yeah, possibly. Well, there's no bottom to it because the CIA doesn't put that stuff on paper. But there are a lot of files on people in the CIA at that time, such as James Angleton. That was a big place to start. That's a counterterrorism chief. of all those years. James Angleton, you've ever heard of him? A very important figure. And you have to go into him to begin.
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And then there's other people like Bill Harvey and Phillips, David Atlee Phillips. There's Howard Hunt. There's the other guy, Joe Anides, George Joe Anides. Those guys you should track. And they've done nothing. The CIA has done nothing to cooperate with any official. They've been the most hidden organization ever. Only one time have they ever been examined, and that was in...
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Yeah, you got to fight for these things. What do you mean you got to fight for these things? The three hour movie in those days was not normal at all. It was a special event. When I grew up, it was a... what they called, you know, an intermission film. It was a spectacle. But by the time it's 1980s, 90s, it was turned into, you had to make it as a single feature.
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Frank Church's Committee of 1973-4. Frank Church, great, great, great senator. And they found a nest of evil that was so intense, with so many assassinations, sabotage, Against America's interests. Against America's interests. And they told us the whole time it was for our interest. We killed people who ended up being heroes. And we paid the price.
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I mean, we're paying the price now insofar as we have no idea what's our own history. No idea about, we've thwarted history and we're aiming, we're going towards a very dangerous moment right now, but that's another discussion completely.
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Well, they put him there in the first place.
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And that, because they don't want to, they were playing, the theater owners were putting pressure on the studios, you know, We want quicker turnovers. We want six turnovers a day. We want to sell popcorn in between. There's all kinds of economic reasons for it. A three-hour and 12 movies are killer. You only have four shows, three-day shows a day. Okay?
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Of course. Well, it seems like we have already accumulated such evidence. It's prima facie, it seems. How can you deny it? How can you deny it? Especially now that we're going through so much revelation on conspiracies left, right. This is what the world is. It's like been working that way.
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The United States has been working duplicitously for years to create this empire that we have, that we deny that we have. We have 800 bases. We're all over the world in every single spot. We have our finger everywhere. And we're stirring this constantly. We're busy like malevolent dwarfs, but we're there everywhere. And what concerns you about that?
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We're heading towards a nuclear war with, we created enemies that are not necessary. That's what mostly affects me. Because if we blow up this thing, it'll be like that scene on the beach when Fred Astaire says, I don't know how it started. It'll be like that. But we, I know how it started because it started here.
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These people who are running Washington right now, these neoconservatives that are in charge, are the most dangerous people we've ever had in the world. They're the antithesis of what America was about. Antithesis. Who? Who? Who? Well, right now, in this time period, it goes back to the 1990s when they formed up. But before that, it goes way back to the 1940s. Before that, to the 1919s.
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Right now it would be, you know, the Biden administration is playing with fire. They've taken this thing to the edge with Russia. They're now the neocons?
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How weird is that? Yeah, isn't that so bizarre? How weird is that, Oliver, for you? The real liberals, people who are really into liberalism like me, who care about it, the John Stuart Mill kind, are disgusted by these people who are saying... a pro-war, they're pro-interference in other people's affairs. They're trying to tell people how to live. That's not the way Mr. Mill described liberalism.
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Leave them alone. Let live and let live is my philosophy. Get along with your neighbors. What's going on now is Mr. Blinken and Sullivan and all these people that are in the administration are very dangerous people because they pushed this thing with Ukraine to a place where it had no American interests at stake, none. But Mr. Biden, without a mandate, declared that we have to –
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weaken Russia without a mandate. He didn't put it up for voting. He said, do you want to go to war with Russia? Do you want to have American missiles flying into Russia? This is outrageous. It never would have happened. You realize in Kennedy's time, it would have been a declaration of war. That's what's going on without our knowing it. We're asleep to that because it's like boiling the frog.
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You should know that.
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They take it up, you know, a little incline by incline. Yeah, yeah.
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Hour 45, perfect.
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JFK was a hit. Nixon was not because I think it was a darker poster and he was a darker man. John Kennedy was more popular. Also, people were interested in his assassination. Whereas the Nixon presidency was shrouded with
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ambiguities and that was a problem selling it that was a problem selling we didn't have a big american star we had anthony hopkins who's just very good english he wasn't a big star at the time no he was not are you kidding what did you read this film was remains of the day and uh remains of the day was his biggest film legends of the fall
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I'm in the middle. I don't know. But there was a lot of evidence on Sean's side.
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Now, with the world shifting as it is, I'm certainly independent. But I'm leaning back like my father to the Republican side because I'm disgusted, disgusted with the Democrats. And they're a constant attack. Actually, it's all their extremism of their attacks on Trump that have turned me off. The extremism of their attacks.
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What are you talking about? Everything he said was... I mean, I've seen it. In the newspapers, they say, falsely, he falsely says, or they constantly give him an adjective, which is unfair. In other words, there's nothing objective written about him. And... I saw Sean's documentary. It's wonderful, actually. One of the most affecting chapters is the one on Giuliani, who I did not like.
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Giuliani had reached that place because of his rah-rah patriotism in 2001. I thought it was disgusting. He was overboard. I really did. When he was most popular is when I hated him because I thought he was taking advantage of this thing. He was no longer a prosecutor. He was... He was an opportunist. And what happened was that he actually makes sense in this documentary.
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His whole position makes sense. He explains himself. And it turned me around. I said, you know, I understand. And now the newspapers are attacking him constantly like some kind of fraud. That's when I appreciate what he went through. You understand? It's like I'm a contrarian, I guess you could say. But it's good to have contrarians in our society. We need them.
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And I admire Sean, who is my son, who's done this on his own. I have nothing to do with his thinking. He's read his own books. He's formed his own conclusions. I was very impressed with what he just said. He explained these elections in a very clear, logical way to me. And frankly, we've been interfering in Russia so many times.
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Yeah, sure. Sure. He was a wonderful man.
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I mean, Hillary Clinton is known for that 2006 period, the 2014 election. They were all over Russia.
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What do you think about it? Is there a party that's skeptical about it? You have to be disturbed by it, and there's still time to go. Look at all the damage that Biden's administration is doing to Trump right now. They're putting him in the spot. The problem is they know Trump is a hothead. I think he's smarter now. I think he's a little bit. But he's got to consider this as a threat to him.
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They want to go to a war. or some kind of war, they trap them. Israel has blown up the Middle East, blown it up. It's just like they're remaking the Middle East. That's what they said they'd do. Netanyahu vowed to do this, and he's done it. So many of these countries are out of commission now. And now Iran is the fucking next target of this guy, this madman. And we're in his pocket.
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We have no apparent say in what he's going to do.
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Yes, and AIPAC and all the Israeli mechanism that operates in the United States. Our vote, our Congress means nothing. Netanyahu comes and addresses them three times. They stand up like dogs, clapping for everything he says, like dogs. It was disgusting.
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I'm not that patient. Maybe 12, 13, 14. And that's not working. I mean, I try to make change. Some directors will let it roll and roll and roll because it's tape. I don't feel that way. I feel it's a waste of energy. You've got to concentrate that energy.
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It was pretty painful.
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He's a good actor. Academy Award winner. Oh, wow. He reached that stage when drugs and stuff, whatever, medications had slowed him down. And then what do you do in that moment?
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You don't even mention APAC.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. The other actor was sitting across the table from him, and those people who remember this know that the other actor was eating the tuna fish sandwich. for the scene, it was a lunch scene. So he's eating the sandwich and he ate 17 or 18 of them and I was really worried about his, yeah, but he was a strong guy and he managed to absorb it.
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Does this include the PAC expenditures or is a PAC excluded from that?
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And are these PACs private? I mean, we don't know the numbers on the PACs.
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They were ham sandwiches, I think he was getting sick. Two sandwiches.
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The threat of saying we're going to campaign against you, that's just enough.
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Both occur. You've gone through a process and you leave it. You become a bit of what you've done. And it's sort of a benchmark that tells you, I was here and now I can move on.
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I learned a lot because we actually paid attention to Ukraine after the Putin interviews. That helped me. He said to me, I said, what's the big deal about Ukraine? I thought it was another Eastern European country that had gone to NATO. He said, for you it's not a big deal. For us, it's a very big deal. He says that on the tape. And I think
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I finally understood the importance of Ukraine because they've been invaded twice through the underbelly, through Ukraine, twice by Poland. And they were invaded by Napoleon. They were invaded by the Woodrow Wilson troops. Sixteen armies fought against the Bolshevik Revolution. Sixteen armies led by Britain and the United States. France, Poland. Poland sent a huge amount of men to Ukraine.
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Yeah, you're right.
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Netanyahu. Netanyahu, yeah. I thought he was a mad... He was very extreme back in 2002. He was going on, and then the bomb went off as he was talking to us. It's in the film. It's called... Persona non grata. What? Persona non grata. Persona non grata. Persona non grata. Yeah, because he goes over to the window, and he says, look, that's... And he's right.
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There was a bomb that was going off in a grocery store. So he was, like, very concerned, but he had suffered greatly because his brother, John and Johan, was killed in the raid in... Uganda, wasn't it?
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Yeah. Yeah. The dictator of Uganda had taken hostages and the Israelis went in with a commando attack and they succeeded and they made two movies about it. One with Charles Bronson. It was wonderful. But his brother was the only one killed in that raid from the Israeli side. He was killed at the very end. So he's a hero in Israel. There was a lot of vengeance, personal hatred of the Muslim.
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I felt that with him, that he did not trust them at all. And I felt that it was echoed by, but other people like Rabin and I also, Perez, Shimon was saying, you know, we have to get along, always.
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That was his, but at the same time, he also said, you cannot trust the Arabs because what they write, what their handwriting, the way they write is very flowery and it doesn't, it's not objective like scientific. That's his interpretation. It was an interesting viewpoint. Even Shimon, who was as humanitarian a person as I know, had distrust of the Arabs. And it's fundamental.
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My wife, my first wife, was Lebanese, so I felt differently. I liked them. I spent time in Lebanon before the war, 75. So I have no problem. And like Sean says, I feel like it's closer to the Crusades than it is to a religious issue.
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So Netanyahu was the only one that he walked away. Yeah, he was dangerous. Because he had such passion. Such passion. And he had a desire. He was young and strong and amazing stamina. Look at this. He's lasted like Putin. He's lasted 23 some years in business like this. Look what he's done, though. He's... Taking this closer to the nuclear winner than ever.
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There's no other person alive that is as dangerous. He's lobbied actively for a war against Iran, which is going to be a war not just against Iran. It's going to be a war against China. It's going to be a war against Russia. It's a very dangerous... Man, I mean, Syria, he's gloating. He's gloating over Syria, but that's not over. He's going to come back and haunt them.
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This thing is so ugly, it's gotten out of hand, and that's because of us supporting Israel blindly without ever questioning them. Kennedy questioned them. That was the whole point that, you know, Kennedy said this nuclear thing is going to stop. We're not going to give them nuclear weapons. And he was adamant about it, and he was going to stop it.
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When Johnson took over after the assassination, Johnson turned a blind eye to it. When we knew for sure that they had a weapon in 67, Johnson made sure they didn't announce it. The Pentagon did not announce it.
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Well, it happens quite more than you think. People get nervous and they get upset because it takes time. And it's a grueling process over 60 days, 50 days. It depends. And I've seen many people lose their temper. Everyone loses their temper on something, right? Well, it's not fun. It's not fun to be the director of that person, but that happens. And we have to live with it. It's part of life.
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Well, It came at that very strange moment when he's about to go. Remember how close he came to being evicted?
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Yes.
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Did he learn that from Roy Cohn?
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Roy was a drinker, remember, in the movie.
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What did you think about it? I saw it twice.
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I saw it twice in the first week. I very much enjoyed it. Very well done. What was your impression? I didn't walk away thinking that Trump was the monster of all time. That was part of that whole campaign. That's why the Democrats overdid it. They overdid everything on Trump. The movie flapped. I don't know why it flapped.
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I always said to you, if you remember correctly, I said the worst president we've ever had was George W. Bush, George W. Bush. And I told you why. Because he started the whole war on terror. And I said, what's Trump compared to that? Why are the Democrats having this hysteria about derangements? And no one paid attention. But wait until this thing is cleared, if we ever get through it.
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They're happy sometimes and they're miserable some other times. But it's a hard process. It's a life process. Every film takes something out of you. I feel like it's a tree with rings around it. You've got those rings, they build up. I don't know how in the old days they did 50, 60, 80 films. Okay. You have to, to a certain point, you have to be insensitive and cut it off. It's just a role.
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We're going to have to look back at that period from 2001. And that phony election with the Chads and all that. That was the worst moment for me in this century. I remember that night so well when I was going south with Scalia jumping in on the Florida thing and saying, there's an irregularity here. And then they suspended the recount. You wanted Gore at that time? I did want Gore, yes.
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And I think it was a key election. I thought it was a whole century turned on it in a way. It was a strange date. It was one of those things like the McKinley election in 1900.
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Kennedy was monitoring them and saying, what are they doing?
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How do you think it's going to be with Trump? I'm worried about that part of it the most. Because I like the possibility. Trump could be, as Sean said, a crusading president. He could be really a change against war. He could move away from all these policies. But his commitment to Israel is insane because it's wholehearted and he has no modification on it.
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And he doesn't understand the Arab position. He doesn't understand history, frankly. I wish Sean could spend some time with him.
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Give him the Nobel Peace Prize.
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It's just a movie. And you get into a different attitude.
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It's a very key moment.
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That was interesting, as well as Don't Forget Venezuela, which, of course, has a lot of oil. You've said some good things about Maduro sometimes. I've said good things about Chavez, yes. Why Maduro, though? I don't know Maduro. I met him a few times with Hugo. Listen, I'm... Again, I told you earlier, the Democrats were so hysterical about Trump that it turned me off.
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If you look at how hysterical the United States has been on Maduro and the Venezuelan revolution, it turns me off because we've lied, cheated, put other people into, called them president. We played every dirty trick on Venezuela we can, starving them, suffering them. And they've withstood this as best as they could. And for that... They're the underdog, man.
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They're the revolutionaries in this case, believe it or not. Yes, they're not a tyranny because people can leave. They leave all the time.
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No, because they can leave whenever they want. They can walk across the border. Those people are there because there is a Bolivarian revolution.
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And how many people did they make? I mean, you have to go back to the beginnings when he educated that population. He gave them a life. They didn't have a life until 1990.
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No, but you had some big fights. Of course I did. Every director has.
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No, I'm for the people.
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And all the dirty tricks that go on with that.
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You know who the other candidate was? Mario Corino Machado? Right-wing lady. She's pretty wild. She's pretty much the old way. She's very clear distinction going back to the old Venezuela. There's no hope there.
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Well, I haven't met her. Please don't fall for the propaganda.
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Nothing. Shia was a good actor. Very...
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Maybe I'll investigate that. I'd love to go talk to him. If Trump turns his capacity on Venezuela, then we're going to have another war. That's going to be ugly, too. We don't want that. Yeah, this is not a... Those are the two threats right now.
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I've heard them. Believe me, I've heard that.
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Well, what do you think about Millet? I think he's working in his way. Absolutely. Everybody from Argentina tells me that. Not everybody. Some people are suffering, yes. But the truth is you can feel both ways.
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Maybe we'll come around.
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And so for you... But he was working very hard. I remember that. And he was doing the songs too. He was dead. He was close to dead. He cost us a fortune in massages. You know what I mean? We had about... Every time he wasn't... We had to pay somebody. It was a fortune. Seriously. We went way over budget on that.
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Well, the film was over budget because that was a big part of it too.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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It's the wasted money. Yeah, it's the fringes, the fringes. Well, we always try to keep that down in the pictures I made because they were dedicated to a purpose. You know, we're trying to get this thing done. And the studios were never that cooperative with my stuff. It was always a struggle to get it made. You can imagine, even JFK.
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So these were not movies given to the luxury system that Hollywood had in the 80s, 90s then. But Sean is right. The request would be for assistance and assistance and their publicist and that public. And by the time it grows into a little entourage of 10, 10, 8, 9, 10 people. Special people to help them with the accent and help them with the physical trainer has to go.
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Sometimes the gym equipment has to go. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You know, get used to, it's not like the old days, get used to life on location, for Christ's sake.
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I haven't worked with that many of them. Stop it. You work with everybody. Yeah, but they were humble at that time. Everybody was humble. Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Pacino. Tom Cruise was young. He hadn't gone into that other hyperspace. You're talking about born on 4th of July. And Charlie was normal.
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Charlie Sheen you know it was Willem Dafoe has always been I can't really I don't relate to those kind of people I wouldn't hire them in the first place if possible what would it be mother if they had that reputation you hear about it you know you don't want to have all you don't want all the fringes you have to be careful So you have to set the rules at the beginning.
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Listen, I'm going to make this kind of movie. It's going to cost this amount. We got to move at this pace. Are you going to be on board or not? Otherwise, you have to walk away. But sometimes you need them to get the fucking film financed.