John Reeves
Appearances
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And I just don't want to disappoint you or disappoint the people that follow you or listen to these stories because, frankly, some of them might not be interested in it. A lot of them are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And don't forget what I told you about there's other people out in the river. Yeah. We're talking if I have a guy come up and go, hey, I want to go prospect this creek. And I say, okay, go ahead and prospect it. And they go prospect it and it comes in really hot. It's good. But somebody else comes along, I'm not going to send them to that creek. The other guy's already there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
So there are things happening in the East River that spread all over the place. This guy might find this. This guy might find that. These other guys might find that. I'm not going to tell any of them anything. Go about your business. I'm not going to divulge any confidential information to anybody. Keep looking. I don't envy them for it. We don't have to look. We go get coffee. We drive out there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
We pick up a tusk. Coffee's still too hot to drink. These guys got to get on a boat, go out in the East fucking river, put on scuba gear, go down there with zero visibility. That ain't easy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
My daughter out there, Lauren, she went on the boat with them, I think, last year. She was in New York, and she went along for the ride. And that ain't easy work. No. But I hope they find them. I hope they do, too. I hope they hit the mother load. Me, too. And I will tell you this. The mother load is still out there. I know that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yes, sir. You're the man. You're the man. You're the man.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
My kids like to look for bones, and I take them out in the woods, and we look for stuff. I just wanted to come by and introduce myself. And the excitement in is just him talking to me. I said, well, follow me over. I'll go show it to you right now. So we went over to the boneyard. He got out and he looked around. He just couldn't believe it. He picked up some bone parts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I said, well, now you're a boner. You just got to find one. And we bullshit a little bit. He goes, do you mind if I bring my kids out sometime? I said, bring them out this weekend. We'll fire the pumps up. I'll turn you guys loose, and then we'll come check on you once in a while. And they found a pallor too full of bones. Little fragments of leg bones. And then they came back the next weekend.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They found a mammoth tusk. And they found these sawed bones, a few of them. We got 15 of them now that they found. And so I told everybody those bones are now called the spitzer, the spitzer vines. Two little young daughters found them. Sometimes it just takes a new set of eyes. I don't know how many of those we've picked up in the past, but we never looked at it that way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
So I brought one with me. This is the one that I carbon dated. And so this is the one that's 200 plus years old. You see that notch right there? That's what I cut out to send in to get carbon dated.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Don't know how many, but I know there's others out there that are making finds. So are they using spotlights?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
The lady, Jeanette Rimes, a Dakota huntress, she thinks it's a moose leg bone. But set it on its end there, other end.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Now, 200 years ago, what kind of utility would that have to do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
The people that did that. Why would they have a bone like that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, but then what? You eat it. Maybe a candle? Maybe some marrow?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
But I think there's some utility to that bone is what I'm saying. Yeah. Just the way it sits. It could have put fire embers in it to keep, you know, overnight. Because this was 200 years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
This was 100 years before Fairbanks was discovered. This is even more of a mystery to me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
It's obviously owned by Russia. It's about the same time frame, yeah. Russians owned Alaska. And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't go up. They founded Anchorage in the late 1700s.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No. No? No, I agree with you. I don't know. Yeah. That's the whole thing. None of us know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, those two lilies you just showed, they looked like cups to me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No. No. Hmm. Hmm. That's right. Because up till now, the dating sequences have been 3,000 before present to now it's 40,000 years before present. That puts it up to 200 years before present. Which is interesting. It is interesting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, I'm in the gold mining industry, and we have a code that we don't talk about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I have no idea. Does anybody have a theory? There's probably a lot of theories. But that's the whole point about all this stuff. Nobody knows.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Which is I was hoping that was going to be the case. Yeah, that would have been wild. And when I got the carbon dates, I went, ah, damn it. But thinking about it, though, it's even more of an interesting thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I believe so. I have never seen it. But I know he found that was one of the first things he found. He found some mammoth ivory.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, we did find a skinning rock across the valley on top of a hill that still don't know how old that is or where that's from. A skinning rock? A skinning rock. It's posted there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, there's even a little indent on the side for your finger as you flesh something out. And what is it made out of? Stone from Eastern Europe. Remember, we talked a little. Oh, that's right. That's right. And it wasn't local. Right. So there was a lot of traveling, migrating, going on across that Bering land bridge because it was ice free corridor. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And it went all the way into the lower 48. So there's a lot of stuff that we find, as I said last time, that they say didn't live there, but it sure died there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Dire wolves being one of them. Sabertooth being another one. I found one and my company found one before I was around. Sent them to New York City. I asked to see them, but they didn't have them available. And let's see what else we got. Badgers, elk.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They didn't find the bones. But they literally didn't think that saber-toothed tigers lived in that area. They didn't think that. In fact, in that film, that documentary film, Pat Druckenmiller, who's the curator now and the director of the museum, says to their knowledge, none of them have ever been found there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
But to my knowledge, they have been because on a shipping manifest to AMNH that one was sent to them. The one I found was stolen by the British Museum, never returned. So I'm on kind of a little bit of a rampage these days about the museums and what they're doing with these collections. It's kind of a one-man thing. It's a cause. I think it's important.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No. And the AMNH is a private institution, but the Smithsonian is a public entity. It's owned by us. So they answered a different set of rules. The Smithsonian has to respond to a FOIA request. AMNH says, what are you going to do? Sue us. We'll stump break you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
With money, with lawyers, with all that litigation costs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, because I have another plan. This plan's going to work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I have people in our state legislature working on this right now. There's a senator named Click Bishop who's on the finance committee. He's on the resources committee. He's the majority whip, and he's making efforts to get the bones back to Alaska from the state of Alaska. Okay. Now, M&H might be able to take on John Reeves. This don't break me. But they can't do it to the state of Alaska.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
The state of Alaska will go toe-to-toe with them some bitches. Now, after we get that through the House and state legislature, the Senate and the House, we'll go to the congressional delegation. You've heard what an act of Congress is, don't you? You know what that is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
M&H, give them their goddamn bones back. AM and H is going to see the light. This is a political solution to this. Not lawyers, not all that stuff. I got nothing to gain from this. You know, I'm just trying to get them back in Alaska so we have that thousand piece puzzle to put together. They were supposed to be studied and researched and the answers to the extinction event are within the bones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
It's impossible for them to come up with any scientific research because they don't have the stratigraphic information. They don't even know where it was found. Right. But I do. Let's put it all together, boys, and then we'll study it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And that's why that cut bone, by the way, I noticed you don't have a spitzer bone out there in your lobby.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
That's what we call the spitzer bones. Oh, yeah. You ain't got one of those in your lobby. No, I don't. I'm going to fix that shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I've got people going, oh, he needs to get a Cadillac and mount it on the hood. Well, that's not a bad idea. As long as you don't drive it around.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
It needs to be preserved. The Blue Bay bison was 38,000 years old. And they could have known each other back in the day. Well, it looks old as fuck. It is old as fuck.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I do when I have people like Eric Spitzer and his daughter show up and they're just the happiness. They're just so gleeful. Yeah. And sometimes I need to see that to remember that what we're doing is kind of worthwhile.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
It means that people enjoy it and they like seeing it and they like doing it. We just haven't figured out a way to let everybody do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And it's partially my fault because I tell everybody, look, Until we get our bones back from the bowels of the AM and H, nothing's going to get studied. If they want to do this and continue doing this, they can deal with Drew out there because we're not going to just say, okay, we'll study 20 pieces of the 1,000-piece puzzle. We're just two guys with one giant.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
My company had 200 giants running at the same time for over 40 years. recovered tens of thousands and thousands of bones, all of which were taken to New York, 50 tons of which were dumped at least one time in the East River and maybe more than that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They won't talk to me. Why won't they talk to you? Well, when Drew and Elora and I and my wife went to New York a few years ago, they were supposed to meet with us, and they decided to have us stand out in the rain for four hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They had so many of them, and they said, ah, nobody's going to give us any money for this. I have an idea that's a good cover story for making sure your wealthy donors get a little something-something and getting them off the books.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Museums aren't money-making institutions. Right. And so I think a lot of the times they get something donated, especially when there's no control at all. There was no control on what was going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
$100 billion to Ukraine. We could have built a gas line from the North Slope to the lower 48 and a water line from Southeast Alaska to Northern California and took care of the people in Maui. Yeah. And still have some change left over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Thank you, sir. Cheers, sir. Good to see you again. Good to be seen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, they are. And seemingly they don't care what we think. No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I think, you know, I'm in business, you're in business. We have a divided Congress. We got half, a little bit more than half, that think this president we got should be impeached. We got the other lower, a little bit less than half. Not one of them think he should be impeached. So my belief as a business guy is as long as they're fucking with each other, they're not fucking with me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They're leaving us alone. Right. And that's kind of what's going on right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No. So you went all the way to New York to meet with them? Well, I went there to the Explorers Club to show the documentary. There was a screening of the documentary on the Boneyard. And what, did they just decide that you're too problematic? I think so, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
That's the best case scenario. They stay busy with themselves and do what we want.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
But if the other part is I don't want to let my bones leave Alaska. Right, of course. They never seem to come back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
In that case, I think the guy never even got back to the museum. I think he just took it home. He was working for them, but they're a bunch of—it's like we don't sell bones from the boneyard. We don't sell bones. We've given some bones away. That's because I own them. I can give them away. They didn't own them. You know, museums don't own them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, La Brea, there's a lot of them at La Brea Tar Pits, I believe. Alaska's a, you know, you keep it in perspective. I'm down here in your neck of the woods. There's probably 200,000 or 300,000 more people live in this city of Austin than live in the entire state of Alaska. The whole state.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yesterday, Drew and I were going, hey, let's drive out and look at the farms in the countryside. We drove for two hours. We couldn't get out of town. We ended up at the airport every time. But there's a lot of, boy, there's a lot of building going on over last year. Yeah. Seems like there's a whole lot. Yeah, it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Not anymore. No. It's blown up. When are you guys going to get a football team?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Because I don't think they ever envisioned somebody like me owning this company.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
So we looked around, looked around, and said, well, let's just look around a little bit more. Saw parts of Austin that probably are not on the beaten track. But, hey, I thought, well, let's drive down to the border and see if we get kicked out of Mexico. Yeah. He goes, it's 485 miles. I said, we ain't going. Yeah, it's a haul.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I don't blame the people for wanting to come here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. It's just it doesn't seem to be any management of what's going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
To some degree. I'm a gold miner after all. Yeah. You know, Mark Twain said a miner is a liar standing next to a hole in the ground. Oh, that's funny.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You know, you talked about AI. Well, someday, and probably not too far in the future, you'll be able to do your podcast without even being here. AI will have you sitting there, have me sitting here, and it will be guessing what we're going to talk about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And the other thing is you don't know if what you just saw is real. Right. That's a real problem now. That is a real problem because – Right now, the stuff you say, it can't be real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You know, I've been thinking, you know, the speed of light was always the standard growing up. Nothing faster than the speed of light. Then I thought, there is something faster than that. It's the speed of thought. We can think faster than that light can travel. I'll give you an example of that. I saw it online. It has to be true. There's 200 billion trillion stars in a known galaxy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
That's not just some guy making that shit up. That's a real smart person that's done the studies on this universe. 200 billion trillion galaxies. Or stars. How many planets would that be if they averaged five apiece? Yeah. That's a bunch. That's a bunch. That's such a massive thing to think about. There's no point in even thinking about it. You know, it's by me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And time, and I've heard you say this, is something we made up. Right. There's no such thing as time. Right. This is the only time right now. Yeah. It's gone already. Yep. It was here. It's gone. Right. Now, you talk about be nice.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Maybe the whole thing. Maybe those people, aliens, whatever you want to call it, visited Earth about 65, 75 million years ago and they said, hey, no life like us can live here with these dinosaurs running around. Yeah. Let's burn this son of a bitch down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I think the pandemic brought on a whole series of mental disorders in this country. Oh, yeah. In this world. We're getting set up for it again probably. Yeah. And you were talking once about quiet desperation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
There's a lot of people that were worried. I was worried. You know, I have a family. When all that started going on, going, oh, no. Yeah. I want to protect my family if I can. I can't. Nobody can. Not when they're making viruses in labs. For what reason? Right. Why would you make that virus? Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You know, just make them go nuts. Kind of like what's going on. Right. We got shit going on. You know, talking about planet killers. We can kill this planet right now if we want. If all those triggers get pulled and all the... Oh, yeah. Many times over. Yep. That's where we're at. It's unfortunate that we have to live like that and think about that. We shouldn't be thinking about that. No.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. This is just the stuff they threw in the river is not even the good stuff. I don't know if you saw that little video I posted of their collecting techniques where they threw them in a big pile. No idea where they came from. Wow. It's on my Instagram.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I thought I was protecting the world. You know, you get so many years, and we've made it both around one more trip around the sun since I saw you last time. Yeah. And Willie Mammoth's had a built-in escape. You get six sets of teeth. When the last set is gone, you starve to death.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And our ancestors that were living with us, and I'll say this because I know, they were living with us back in the Ice Age. They weren't working against us, and we weren't working against them. All that we wanted to do was survive from one day to the next.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And that's all they wanted to do. I went off on this a little bit recently about the way we portray mammoths being the extinction caused by humans. I'm going, no, you got it all wrong. We live with them side by side for tens of thousands of years. What if we kind of lived together? What if we went out and collected their wool and made clothing? What if we didn't run them off cliffs?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I've seen the spear tips. You're not going to stick that through five inches of fur, three inches of skin, leather, to hit a vital organ in a woolly mammoth thrown by a guy from me to Jamie. First of all, you're not going to get that close. It'll stomp the shit out of you. Wooly mammoths have 10, 12-foot tusks. They just don't stand there going, oh, stick a spear in me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They're swinging their head, and they're cleaning stuff out. The short-faced bears knew better. Short-faced bear will go after a baby mammoth, but not a big wooly mammoth. I think they were kind of like domesticated to some degree. Same thing with Musk Oxen. I talked to Matt Slingsby up there in Nome about this. He spends a lot of time out there with the Musk Oxen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
He sees how they protect their young. I can see kind of us living with those guys, domesticating them to some degree. Hey, you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone, but let's work together. We didn't always stick spears in them. You know, all the paintings you see now, even prints online shows this caveman sticking a spear in a mammoth. I call bullshit on that. And you know why I can do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Because nobody can say you're full of shit. Because they don't know either.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Everybody's encouraged me to litigate this. I've been involved in litigation before and I have a pretty good track record because I protect my property rights. I don't care if it's real property or intellectual property.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
There were very few people in the Ice Age anyways. Very few. They didn't travel in groups of 100 or 200, I don't think. We'd have found evidence of that. But if your choice is to go, let's go knock over that caribou over there, or let's go over there to that woolly mammoth and half of us get killed. What do you say, boys?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, first of all, you can go kill that caribou, skin it, gut it, and eat it for a few days. Meat won't go bad. Right. You knock over a woolly mammoth with 2,500 pounds of meat, you ain't going to eat very much before it all goes bad.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And, you know, we have a woolly mammoth brain in one of our permafrost tunnels. Oh, really? Yeah. We're way ahead on this frozen DNA stuff. We formed a little. We have permafrost tunnels. They stay frozen year-round. There's no electricity. There's no cost to it. It just stays frozen. And that's what you have to do with DNA material, keep it frozen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
So you find something substantial, you put it in one of the tunnels. We'll come back to that later. We'll get that later.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No, it's outside the skull. Really? Yeah, it was found frozen. And we've had paleontologists.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Probably the woolly mammoth got ripped apart and the brain got frozen into the gravel and the muck. How intact is it? Half of it's there. Wow. And the paleontologists.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I don't know if I posted one or not. I'll have to look. That's pretty intense. It is. I think I got one. If not, I'll ask you if he's got one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Those guys were all up in Fairbanks, the ones you're talking about. Brought them out to the boneyard and showed them some of the stuff we got. I'll go out on a limb here. This ain't about cloning woolly mammoths. It's about cloning humans.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think they're already doing the humans. We just don't know about it because of the ethical issues it brings up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
By the time they tell us... All I know is that some of my DNA material is in that permafrost tunnel.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And with instructions, if down the road somebody in the family wants to bring the old man back, I'm your huckleberry.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Get your horse cloned. Yeah. Race horses. Ooh. Dolly, sheep. Yeah. I think Dolly was the first one.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. That looks like a guy I saw just outside the hotel last night.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. And they denied it for – check this out. So it says I – How?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Our site is called Clone Fathers. And we haven't done a lot with it because it's emerging technology, let's say. But can you imagine raising your own clone? Imagine raising a little you? Uh-uh. I'd have to put it in a bag and throw it into the river.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, your folks were telling you don't do that, and you did it anyway. They weren't telling me shit, which is why I did it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, you've done quite well. And congratulations on being the most widely watched podcast on the face of this planet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No, you're bringing a lot of needed information to the world. You really are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
That's it. Kind of what Drew and I are like. We're just two guys in a truck. Yeah. We leave the house in the morning and the phone rings.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And I think what resonates with people about our boneyard is that it's real time. This shit's going on real time. Real time. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not going, oh, well, that bone there is only 190 years old, so I better put it away so nobody knows. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then boom. No, it's 190 years. Okay, now we got a real problem. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It is. Yeah. And like I said, we don't sell them. How could you put a price on that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Anyways, that's their collecting techniques, and they sent everything. They weren't supposed to take all that stuff. They were only supposed to take bones of scientific value, and they were supposed to research every one they took. And they were supposed to, under the agreement I had with them, or my company— do a report annually on everything they took.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that's what I took. I was a little aggressive on that because I wanted to make sure they had enough material.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It could have been a whipsaw. Who knows? It could have been a little handheld.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No. I mean, they had pens back in the day with feathers. Maybe a good asterisk. They wrote a constitution with that shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
There you go. We have some that aren't empty of the marrow, but we only sampled one so far. We might have to sample one or two more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Of the 300,000 we found, that's the only one I ever carbon dated. We've had maybe 10 others carbon dated by other people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
40,000. That's off the most latest one. It probably goes back farther than that. But 50,000 is about as reliable as you can get on carbon-14. And what animal is it that was 40,000 years old? Woolly mammoth. It was mammoth ivory. So it went from 40,000 to our next oldest was 22,000. There's a lot of thousands in between them. What happened then? Yeah. We're the people. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I posted that, Joe, and about half the comments were, Jesus Christ, learn how to take a picture, would you? Yeah, right? The only thing in focus is the bed of your pickup truck. That's true. But that's the problem with iPhones, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You see what I did to the one I gave you? A lot of people go, you need to carbon date all your fossils.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And it was a tripartite agreement with the University of Alaska, AMNH, and my company, Fairbanks Exploration. And they didn't do any of it. And when I bought the company, I went to the University Museum, and the curator there, I said, I bet you know why I'm here. He goes, I think I do. I said, I want the bones back. He goes, let's go to New York City. Let's go get them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
okay that 400 bucks a pop and i got 300 000 that's 1.2 million i'm sorry 120 million you want me to spend well also with that maybe it's an old bone that someone carved thousands of years later that's possible it was on top of a tail and by one at the boneyard yeah we have gravel and gravel pits and mines everywhere how could paleontologists with a straight face say that's natural
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. I have my friends at AMNH. They said with witnesses, unfortunately for them, two of the uppity ups there said the reason they don't want to give the bones back to me is they think I'm going to sell them. Now, let's think about that for a second.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I met with the University of Alaska State Senate recently. Drew and I met with them. And we said, we had this deal lined out 22 years ago. They were supposed to return everything in the basement to Alaska. We agreed to it. I funded it. I put money in the account to make that happen. Time goes by, well, we can't because there's asbestos in the ceiling. Blah, blah, blah. It has to be abated.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Okay, abate it. Let me know when you're done. I'll come get them. Well, we got sidetracked 15 years at the Boneyard, 16 years. I said, nah, that's unfinished business. I need to go get those. In the meantime, they said, fuck this guy. Fuck this dirt tramp. We're going to keep him. He's just going to sell him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that was something that I saw online after I came out and I said that We domesticated the woolly mammoth somebody sent me that picture. It's a guy on top of a mammoth. Yeah a guy on top of a mammoth whoa And you know how your kids, you got a golden retriever. You know how your kids take a brush and that dog just lays there and they comb the hair out of it?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Why wouldn't we do that with the woolly mammoths? Well, listen, we know people ride elephants.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, we don't know yet. Does it look like a rat or a shrew? When Dick Maul was up there doing his research for that film, you know, Dick Maul?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm just waiting for you to say what an unfortunate name. Yeah, it is an unfortunate name. He said, keep your eyes out for arctic ground squirrel. And that's been a few years ago. This year, we just found that this year. We've never found one before. And it was still frozen. So that looks like it could be a ground squirrel. Could be.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So we all went to New York City to get them. And they gave me a nice tour downstairs of the basement and showed me the tons and tons they had down there, hundreds and hundreds of mammoth tusks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I've got other pictures of it where you can actually see the ribs. I mean, it's really unbelievable. Well preserved. I gave it to the museum up there. I said, here, you guys, this is out of my league. You guys do the research. And they took it and they're still studying it. But they've had it since July.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's a mammoth tooth that my buddy that carved those pipes.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Wow, that's cool. A couple of faces. By the way, this is a good time for me to give you something that I got from him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I can't believe Joe Rubin put a walrus dick in his mouth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They get wild. Yeah. You never know what happens. Ooh, sick.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In those crates, the wooden crates and everything else.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Anyways, he carved that up. And I said, well, I'm going to give it to Joe. It's a good conversation starter.
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#2080 - John Reeves
How do you remove a raccoon baculum? Is that what I just read? Yeah, how do you remove it? From where? Raccoons. Yeah. Carefully? I guess. Here's a little bag for it. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Pretty cool. Yeah. But we've just been doing what we did when we saw you last time. Just continuing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Nothing. They're supposed to do reports and research on them. They haven't done anything in 100 years.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I told you that, hey, man, I don't have a whole lot new to report on all the new bones we found because we're finding so many different kind of things we've never found before. But when we moved the whole operation down to where we started, bought a new pump, started up that left limit, we're starting to find all kinds of shit. We're just trying to find. That's what's still in the basement.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, when that guy wasn't looking, I grabbed a sample of that. asbestos-containing material where the lights are.
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#2080 - John Reeves
What's funny about that is, so what? It's my stuff. Right. It came off patented ground. I can sell it if I want to. Yeah. But I don't need to and I don't want to. I want to study it. I want to find out what happened. Why did all the animals go extinct? Right. 65% of the megafauna at the same time. Right. Something big going on. Something big.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And Pat Druckenmiller says the secrets are in the bones. They have diagnostic tools now. They can tell what the animal was eating, how many times it had sex, how far it traveled, how long it lived, things that we don't even know what the questions are yet. We just need the puzzle pieces back so it can be studied.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, they don't have the stratigraphic information about where that stuff comes from.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Hypothetically, let's say you found a dude. Right. And hypothetically, let's say the university did come look at it. And hypothetically, they said, okay, you need to go turn yourself in to the troopers. Why? Because those are human remains. So if somebody did find that, they'd have to go to the troopers and fill out a report. So we found a dead body. You'd have to say we found human remains.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Right. And let's say the person taking the report said, let me get a homicide team out here to talk to you. And you hypothetically said that bone is older than everybody in this building, all their ancestors combined and going back 100 generations. Well, we're not interested in that then. Get out of here. Well, get out of here after the report's written. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I have all of that. Yeah. And one of the authors of that report I read last year, uh was trying to get us together so we could make some sense out of this collection and like drew and i were talking earlier it's like a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle i only got 20 pieces i want the whole thing on the table and we'll research all of it because the secrets to the extinction event are in those bones
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#2080 - John Reeves
Hypothetically, let's say it was 10 feet away from a woolly mammoth skull. Hypothetically. Hypothetically.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That would be very interesting. It would be very interesting. That's a really interesting hypothesis.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yep. Woo, wild stuff. We have no idea the range that we find. Yeah. Because we've only sampled a few of them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We don't know how far it goes. We just know it's there. We know that in front of it, downstream of it, is decomposed bedrock. And decomposed bedrock in that area has gold in it, but it's very hard to recover the gold from because it's a clay and you can't wash it very good. But underneath that's another layer of bedrock. Did something come in hot? Something came in hot.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Something caused a lot of water to melt real quick. Sea levels rose 400 feet worldwide. 400 feet. We came from Jacksonville yesterday. The east coast from Jacksonville was 85 miles farther east. That was all dry land. Holy shit. And now it's – worldwide this happened. Yeah. Talk about climate change. You know, climate change is climate change. It's always going to be a climate changing. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And – I'm comfortable with that. You know, we say, oh, we're melting the climate. We're melting the world. We're doing all this shit. Don't worry about the world. The world will take care of itself. You know, we don't have to be assholes. We don't have to pollute it. But we should take some care of it. But now let's go electric vehicles all the time.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, people who are saying that don't realize how much more copper has to be mined, how much more lead has to be mined. You're using fossil fuels for all that. You're not going to get a D-11 dozer on batteries. You're just not. You've got to use fossil fuels.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, nowadays people want to get something done. They always put in the effects on the climate will benefit us from this study. You know, if we do this study, it's good for climate change. I know the guys that are cloning the woolly mammoths are saying, you know, they want to bring them back and put them in Siberia to keep the permafrost from melting and the methane gas from escaping.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But for some reason, I have an idea that as soon as they get one out there on the steps, somebody's going to come along and go, hmm, I'm going to shoot me a woolly mammoth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's never enough. Never enough. No. I mean, you know, we're involved in the fossilized ivory market a little bit because we find broken tusks and we make stuff out of it. And there's very few American craftspeople that use woolly mammoth ivory to manufacture stuff. And I know last time we talked about it, you're going, ah, it might be kind of, but that's what we do. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like I said, this is an adorable little hobby. That's what my wife calls it. But when I go to pay $400 for a carbon-14 sample, that means that's 100 gallons of fuel I didn't buy. So I kind of go like this. I just assume buy the fuel because this little hobby pays for itself. You guys buy this, and I'll buy fuel, put it in the pump, and I'll go find more. And we'll just do that.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We'll make real nice things out of it. And this is a good time to give you this.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. Spoiling me, buddy. My daughter, Laura, Drew's wife out there, Laura Longley. Last time I was here, I told you she's Saks Fifth Avenue. She's beyond Saks Fifth Avenue. She wanted to give you that. Oh.
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#2080 - John Reeves
She didn't know if you wear jewelry or not, but I said I'll give it to him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And she also said, you know, Joe gets all the stuff. I want to give something to his wife. So, this is for your wife. Okay. Elora made that, too.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yep. Wow. Little gold. There's a little tiny gold in the top.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like I said last time, she was Saks Fifth Avenue, but she's putting those guys to shame with this stuff. She finds the ivory. She finds the gold. She makes the stuff.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I bet that other one I sent you hasn't ever seen a match either.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If I was an astronaut, I wouldn't. Even if I didn't go into space, I'd do it. Now, the other thing is... I had a guy call me. He goes, I love that Joe Rogan podcast. I want to make him some pistol grips for a 1911. I said, I don't know if he's got a 1911. He says, well, give me his address and I'll mail it to him. I said, I ain't going to do that. I'm going to see him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If you want me to give them to him, I'll give them to him. But I'm not giving out his address. He says, okay. So he sent me these. Burkett Customs is the name of his operation.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Only Mammoth. There's a little wrench in there for you to attach it to your 1911.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It all starts with a broken, for us a broken tooth or a broken piece of ivory.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. They're little ivory shards. You give them a piece of sandpaper, and you sand it to a mirror finish. That's what you make stuff like what we make out of. Those are raw shards. Okay.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, you don't have to steal the ball marker from you. But I made you a ball marker. Awesome. Thank you. You're welcome. And Joe, too. And there's a guitar pick in each one of those, too.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like I told you, Drew and I are – We're the dollar general. I told you that last year. But I think we got a meeting with Family Dollar coming up next week. Yeah? No, I'm just bullshitting you. We just enjoy working with it. It's a really cool material to work with. Because you take a piece, Joe, and you look at it and go, what can I make out of that? It might take a week or two to figure it out.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We've had people contact us about that, and I'm going, hey, man, I don't know how to do it. I can't make pool cue stuff, but I have the raw ivory if you need a little bit to do it. You can do it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. No, it's... Something happened. Something big time.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think so. And if I can get the other stuff back... Well, you saw the video. All that stuff probably got dumped in the East River. You know, it's a mammoth-like bum, but it's broken at the end, and we don't want it. It's not museum quality. Throw it away. Right. And so a lot of that, they say in a report, mistakes made in the field. Well, those are your people.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Those are your employees that made those mistakes. Don't blame it on my company, guys.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It means they didn't document where they came from. Oh, I see. And the paleontologists, if they don't know exactly what level of soil, where it came from, they want all that stuff. And if they don't know that stuff, it's got no scientific value, none. And so the stuff they sent back, none of it, maybe a couple pieces, have scientific value. They weren't supposed to take that. And they know it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that's why they don't want to return it, because... It's quite valuable.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You saw that film, 12 tons in one year. Yeah. They did it for 1928 to 1958. That's nuts. That's a lot of tusks. And they talk about hundreds and hundreds of them shipped there. I've seen them. I mean, I saw them. And when I met with the head guy, I said, I want them all back. I want all the bones back. And he said to himself, who is this fucking guy? Get him out of my office.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Next time he shows up, make him stand in the rain. Which we did. It's not like I'm afraid of getting wet or dirty.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know the picture you pulled up with the guy riding the mammoth? Mm-hmm. There's a picture right next to it showing it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, the short-faced bear, that jawbone you just saw. No, those are badass. They're extinct.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And we have those up north. We found one. Really? We found more than one. The American lion. Really? Oh, yeah. The skull that you see sticking out of the muck bench, that's what Dick Moe calls the American lion. Wow. And when we were going through just some bones I had on a pallet, and he goes, oh, do you know what that is? I said, no, it's a lion scapula. I told him, we got a bunch of those.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The skull I have, they say, is the best one of the four that have been found. Wow. And some guy offered me 85 grand for it, and I said, ah, there's the door.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The problem is it scares them. It's a scary sight because we're not talking about dirt and rocks. We're talking about melting ice. You get over next to that muck bench and you look up 60 feet and up there's trees and there's not boulders but big chunks of ice that can fall. And so we're real careful with our guys. Don't go under there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. We had a piece of ice we knew was going to collapse, and we kept working on it to make it happen quicker by undercutting it with a giant.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Right. It collapsed two days after we shut the pumps off. We knew it was going to go. We said, okay, stay out. That was five stories tall, the piece that broke off. Wow. It took us a whole summer to get rid of it with the giant. But within that thing was about half a dozen tusks. Wow. So we just sprayed it and sprayed it and come back and get a tusk. We restore the tusks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If they're not broken, we fix them. We got a bunch of them restored. A bunch.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I think I mentioned to you it goes all the way – it goes downstream where there is a creek that's a mile long. And that creek is going to – if we ever get to it, someday somebody will get to it. Maybe Drew and Allura or my other kids might get to it, my grandkids.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Sometimes we'll hang out. If we see something coming up, we'll aim it. But a lot of times that one's an automatic giant. It'll sweep by itself. You turn the pumps on and it just goes back and forth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Expedition. It's going to take massive amounts of money, and I'm not opposed to having them do that. But generally speaking, what I get is some guy goes, hey, I'd like a man with tusks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But the stuff, the little things on the side, the micros, we spend a lot of time looking for tips, spear tips.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We found one mammoth hip bone with a spear tip still sticking in it. Really? And I've got that one posted, a little video thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Got to be tens of thousands. There's got to be some people in there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Now they're going to tell me that tip went through the fur and the hide and hit a vital organ in a mammoth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But remember, the steppe had no trees, no wood. It's all grasslands. And so the browsers, you know, the woolly mammoth, the caribou, the steppe bisons, they eat grass. And the moose came in later, the browsers. And there was no wood to fashion a spear out of, really, to speak of. It was all grass. So I'm thinking they kind of might have moved through a little bit, got a little bit farther south.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Maybe they went somewhere else that was on the limits, that was emerging into uplands.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The carnivores had a field day up there because the short-faced bears, the cave lions, they had all kinds of stuff to eat. Cave bears. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They were eating good. And that was for thousands of years they did that. They got along. You know, that balance is there. We have them right now with wolves. You know, you'll have a year with a lot of wolves, and then you'll have –
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, they'll kill everything, all the moose. And you'll have a few years where the wolves disappear because there's nothing to eat. And then the moose come back. And then the wolves come back. I mean, it's just time. Constant cycle. Constant cycle. Yeah. I've got a creek now with two packs of wolves on it that when I invited you to go hunting on.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There won't be a moose left on that creek, I don't think, this summer.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't think the people in Colorado understand what just happened.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I have that video of a little young wolf that's right by our road. You know, we're driving down to look at a cut. And he's just sitting there looking at us like, hey, what's up? Then he's howling, and you can hear another one in the background howling. They show up at the boneyard going, time to eat. Oh, right. Oh, yeah, they smell that rotten flesh. I'm sure, right?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, the stench of that, you can't avoid it. How bad does it smell when you start excavating? It's the kind of stench that you'll never forget, but you'll never smell it anywhere else. So the invite is still open for you to come up there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Do it. Yeah. But here's the other caveat to that. We built our new building. We put two 1885 Brunswick pool tables in there. Got them restored. I saw. And I told Drew, I said, you're welcome to play on it, but I ain't playing until Joe Rogan plays on it with me. And as soon as you cue it up and rack it, I'm going to run out the door and leave. Okay. I'm not a very good pool player.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I know what it takes. I know you're a good pool player.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We're trying to figure out a way to do it while we don't have to be there. Put the auto giant up there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In one day. A whole woolly mammoth. And a half. And a half. And we got the other half the next day.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The museum I saw in the Yukon, they use a metal frame. And they attach it somehow to that. But I've seen these woolly mammoth replicas that they have of the skeletons. And you see the tusks going out. And I'm looking. And there's nothing supporting those tusks. Those are made out of foam. You can't hold a 250-pound tusk in a skull without it just breaking.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You've got to have something underneath it to support it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. We have all the bones. We have whole herds of those things. Wow. And just a matter of that thing that we invented called time. Yeah. My time is better spent collecting it than it is trying to put it together.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I told you last time that that guy Chuck says there's 10,000 of those dead animals on my property.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. He's the carver. And he's dealt more woolly mammoth bones and tusks than anybody I know. Probably in the world.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And all at once might have spent 500 years. Right. Might have been 1,000 years. Right. But faster than they could, you know, adapt to it. Yeah. So. And, you know, all the silt and all the shit that covers the ground there, that's left over from the melting glaciers. The glaciers melted and the wind came in and blew all that stuff, deposited itself on the gravels and the.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's why in gold mining you've got to strip that shit off to get down to the gravel and the bedrock. That's all covering it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that was told to me by one of the guys that wrote that report. That I read on your show.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But I think there's another one in there earlier. I bet. By about 20,000 years maybe.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, like I told you last time, I think it's all secondary deposition from water because there's such a wide spectrum of them and very few mummified remains, although we found some this summer. And I think I told you last year that the oldest sample we took was 22,000 years old. And some people, you know, I have that Ice Age Fossil Works, buy little shards of ivory.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I've heard you talk about the pyramids and the engineering that went into it. How do you move a block like that 500 miles?
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#2080 - John Reeves
So well intricately cut. You can't even put a razor blade between the fits. Yeah, amazing. You can't do that now.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I got to think Elon Musk has come back. He might have been there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We can't even tell what happened in the case of that spitzer there, what happened 200 years ago. Right. Who were those folks? Who the fuck did that? Right. And why? Why?
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I told the one guy, I said, why don't you carbon date it if you want to know the story. So he sent it off to a lab and had it carbon dated, 40,000 years old. Wow. So there might be enough in there for two dryness events.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Nobody thinks nothing about nothing because Fairbanks wasn't there. Fairbanks wasn't discovered until 1902. So they have no idea. Eight or 12% of the carbon dating, you know, they say that. They spread out a long timeline. 12%, I think, came in around 1600, late 1600s for that. Then it's under the 1700s, there's more than the early 1800s.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then pretty soon they have a, okay, 95% certainty that it's 190 years old or something like that. But we can't even tell why, who, what, where, when. Right. 200 years ago. Give me 2,000. Well, we got Jesus over there with the shroud. Somebody 500 years ago said, I'm going to make some money on this. I'm going to get me some tourism business.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Then go 20,000 years before that. Might as well really get going here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Look at Austin. Tell me that's not going to happen here in 1,500 years. Right. Or any city in the country.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, it's – but we're only here for like maybe 100 if we're lucky.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm thinking 100 and you may not be that lucky. Maybe 80 is better.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, if I could tell, Drew. Drew, I'm going to run it over the 966. I'm going to scamper on up the ladder, and then I'm going to run that son of a bitch. But we translate it into that, Drew, I'm going to shuffle over to that machine over there. Can you lift me up with the loader to get inside it?
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, it's just I had one shoulder out last year. I couldn't pull myself up a ladder. And I go, rotator cuff gone. Got to get you some stem cells. I just need a new me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They took, you got to remember there's 200 nozzles running. They took them all. They took hundreds and hundreds of thousands of bones to New York City. Hundreds of thousands. I've only got a couple hundred thousand. They took millions. And they got them all. They got them, every one of them. And the guy that was their collector, he was just a field hand on the Alaska Railroad.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they said, hey, you want to collect bones for us? He said, sure.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So he ended up, when it was all said and done, with an honorary doctorate from the University of Alaska, who was in on it, by the way, on this tripartite agreement, and probably influenced by, you know, Charles Frick, the son of the industrialists that used to shoot his laborers because they wanted more money in the steel industry. Yeah, Henry Frick was a prick.
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#2080 - John Reeves
He had a gang of gunmen come in when they were striking to make better wages. And yet he was killing them. This is in our steel industry.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It was on the Men Who Built America. It was on that show. Ah. He was the old man, so it was back when the steel industry was just getting going with Carnegie and those guys. Childs was his kid.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Wow. That's what he did, too. Oh, man. And the guy, so the guy that his kid, Childs, is the one that was head of AMNH. And he hired this guy Geist to go out and collect fossils in Alaska, and he just didn't. He just didn't limit himself to here. He went out to the West Coast.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Otto Geist went out to Nome and St. Lawrence Islands, dig up babies out of the permafrost because they wouldn't decompose. He put them in pickle jars, sent them back to Henry or Charles Frick and AMNH. I've seen these jars of pickled babies. And now they're being repatriated. And 60 Minutes just had a big thing on Cambodia and all the things they stole out of there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
AMNH and Smithsonian and all those guys are in on it. They just don't want to return them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
That was a good segment on 60 Minutes. I quit kind of watching them a long time ago, but this kind of piqued my interest because it's all about what they're doing. They're doing it right now. It's not like this has just happened in the past. These guys are like real-life Indiana Jones. Let's go out and plunder and bring it back home. Some of it gets to the museum. Some of it goes home.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I've heard people that say they've been in Autoguide's house in Europe. He's got all kinds of stuff in his house that came out of our boneyard area. Really? Out of Fairbanks. Yeah, skulls, short-faced bears, saber-toothed. Anyways, he ended up with a doctorate and the streets named after him up in Fairbanks. You find a guy that's willing to do anything for anything. That's what they found.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They found him. And Charles Frick had no problem. Look at his dad was a prick. That's dad.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
So you ask what I want to do. I want to make things right, at least on the bones that came out of Fairbanks. I want the proof that men and animals lived together. It's there. Whether they haven't studied those bones in 100 years, I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And I've posted that picture before of the burnt bedrock and the gravel above it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
If they do, they don't talk about it. Well, of course, they're not talking to me. Right. They might talk to our legislature, though.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, there's a whole bunch of spear points they found out in Esther, which is one of my areas. This disappeared between Esther, Alaska, and New York City. Just disappeared for 15 fucking years. They found them in North Dakota because some guy was trying to track them down. And they got some of them back. But I've asked for reports on those. They haven't done any. Wait a minute.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You guys were supposed to report on everything you took. You haven't done any of it. And that's my leg that I'm standing on. I could litigate this if I want to. I'm not afraid of that. But I wanted this to be a good story when I started off. We're bringing the bones back. We're going to make things right. We're going to study it. We're going to solve some issues.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
We're going to solve some historical questions. Let's all get together and do it the right way. Let's do the right thing for once. No. Do you have the signed contract with notarized copies from 1928? That's not how business worked back then. You had the Boston men who financed it through the United States Smelting and Refining Mining Company. Went to AM&H. AM&H.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, we'd love to get those bones. We'll go get them. But here's what you got to do. They didn't do it. So I'm saying give them back. That's why the University of Alaska went with me to New York City and said, we want them back. But they know. They're in the business of fucking longevity, Jew. They know how long people live. This outlasts us some, bitch. We're an institution. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And the problem with this deposit, now, I've got to be careful what I say after last time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
We don't ever die. Right. People come in. They raise hell. Then they go away. Well, that's probably true in my case. But Jew out there, go ahead and deal with him. He plays hardball.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Exactly. People want, oh, send me these bones so I can carbon date them for you. Carbon date them up here. Get your ass in Alaska and set up a research. I already built it for you, for Christ's sake. I spent a million dollars doing it. It's done. I built it last year. I'm anticipating they're all coming back. I might not know how it's going to go, but I know how this is going to end.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
We're going to get the bones back in Alaska. So just stop doing this bullshit. Let's just do the right thing here, boys.
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#2080 - John Reeves
When I was here with you last time. Did you get crazy? What did you say? I'm afraid I bullshitted you a little bit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
The problem is in organizations like that, the younger scientists don't want to ruffle feathers because that's a career ender for those guys. Oh, he raised hell with the uppity ups at Smithsonian or whatever museum. Stay away from this guy. And they all want to be successful in their careers, and I get it. Right. But maybe somebody out there goes, you know what?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And there's a few of them out there. I've talked to a few of them. They can't go public. Right. And I don't blame them. They've got to put beans on the table, too. Right. But some of the plunderings that have gone on, Mongolia, that area, that's been plundered for their cultural artifacts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And the people that know about it are at the Museum of Natural History, and they can't say anything about it because they don't want to lose their job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Because when I got back to Fairbanks, my surveyor comes up to me. His name's Albert. He says, you got a lot of nerve bullshitting them like that. I said, what are you talking about? He said, you told him the site that you dug all these up is five acres. I said, yeah. He goes, it's 2.1 acres. Wow. Okay, I'm going to tell him I'm sorry. I apologize.
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#2080 - John Reeves
What's the coin of the realm? It's gold, right? Yeah. It's been the coin of the realm since the beginning of time. What's the oldest profession?
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's right. You got the prostitution, you got the gold, and you got people that are willing to die for one or both of those things. And so it's been the basis of conflict forever. You can melt all the gold down that's ever been mined on the planet. It's still here. It hasn't gone anywhere. You can't get rid of gold. You can't vaporize it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You can melt it, but it would fit in an Olympic-sized pool. That'd be all of it that's ever been mined.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. And if you've been watching the price of gold in the last year, it's up 12% since you and I met last time. And it'll probably keep going because people are, they buy it to hedge against inflation. You know, Costco started selling gold bars. Really? Costco. You can buy gold bars from Costco? Gold bars from Costco. And they sell out as soon as they put them up for sale.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They sold $100 million worth of them in the first quarter.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't know. You don't know? I think Dirty Water Don and those guys found three so far.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Dudes like this in the USA, man. You think so? Oh. Well, this guy. Yeah, at least one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
That hammer's for splitting a skull open. I'm sure. It's not for making a house. 2,000 human bones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, there was just a story out recently where they have like 12,000 human bones they got to return to someplace.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I think there's a bigger system of water in play that we don't really understand yet. When we started going up the gulch, it's what it is, the gulch. And it's about... Not the way I can describe it. It sure is narrow, but it sure is long. So this year we decided, let's go back to the beginning. And we moved the pump and everything back down to where we started 15, 16 years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, the bone rush you started. You started it. No, you started it. I couldn't do it without you. Hey, you know what? We're tied inextricably at the hip about this. I've had ample opportunity to be interviewed. I don't do it. I'm here with the greatest communicator on the face of the planet. And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but I got an MS and BS. So you put me in here with you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
If I don't know it, I'll make some shit up. But for the most part, I'm not kidding. Your ability to communicate is letting people throughout. your listening world, that there's something wrong here. These people need to step up. After our broadcast, after our podcast last time, within two days, AMNH put out a press release denying this ever happened.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that seems silly if you've actually visited the bones themselves. Yeah, they denied the existence of that report that I read from. So I posted that cover today in case Jamie wanted to look at it. That report was written, co-written, by one of their own employees at AM&H. Now, come on, boys. You can bullshit everybody. You can't bullshit everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, look at that. That says early man. Robert L. Evander. So let's read. Yeah. They wrote the report I read.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Thinking, okay, let's see how wide this is. As soon as we started doing it, we started finding more tusks, more animal parts, more of everything. And we found those crazy sawed bones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Because I think it gets back to the whack-a-mole game. You know, some guy steps up and goes, I'll do it. And they go, well, you're not going to have work in the industry anymore. Right. Yeah, we're going to blackball you. They're afraid to. It goes against the grain. They don't want to stick up for some dirt tramp in Alaska saying, come on, let's study this stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I already built a building for you. I did it already. That is what's really crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You saw the pictures of it. Yeah. I got all the receipts in there. I mean, I got everything they need. Just bring the bones back and I'll build another building just like it. You know, What do you want me to do? People go, well, have you carbon dated all your? No, it's not my job. Well, have you done this and have you done that? What are you asking me for? Why don't you call AMNH and ask them?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
They're the ones that are supposed to do this shit, not me. I don't have the skill set. I'm not a paleontologist. I'm just a simple fucking boner making my way through life. Well, super boner, actually, Joe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You're going to be a boner. I need to be. You need to come up, bring your friends with you. Yeah. We'll go out there and have a boner party.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
It'll put you on the manual giant. It'll work out there. Is it hard to hold on to? Not really. No? You can make it look like it is. You know, just move it around a little bit. Mm-hmm. My kids do it. I mean, my kids are a great support. My wife. We're all in on this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I'm glad you did. And I told you last time it took me three years of saying I only talked to Joe Rogan about it. knowing that's not ever going to happen because I didn't want to talk to nobody about it. But when we talked about it, I got to tell you that my Instagram blew up and went from like 40-something thousand people following my page. I think it's at 370,000 now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
We'll see what happens by this time next year when you come back again. Sweet Jesus, I might build a political base. I might have enough people that can contact their legislators.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You're not going to believe this because we got all excited when we found them. Yeah. Plus or minus 200 years. They're 190 years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And they're – They're not doing themselves a service doing this. This is a big disservice. And did you just invite me back for next year? Yes. Let's do it again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
There is a mystery, and it's being played out. Not only on my Instagram page, where it's the only place, but with you. If you want to know about it, you've got to come here. You've got to listen to the Joe Rogan experience. Because I ain't talking to the so-called mainstream media.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I'm not interested in being a story one night by some guy sitting in a studio that's never even gotten dirt under his fingernails. You come out here, you walk around in this shit, motherfucker, and you listen and you smell what we're dealing with here. This is the Ice Age, baby. We live in the Ice Age. People say, think outside the box. We live outside that sumbitch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
If you're in the Ice Age all day, it changes you. Maybe it makes you fucking crazy. I don't know. I think you might have been a little crazy to start with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I really do. Either that or the universe says we need some prick out there. Yeah, that's our guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
This is a story about how these were found. I got a call one day. I was out there at the Boneyard. My daughters have a tourist business around the corner a little bit called Gold Daughters. And Elora called me up and goes, Dad, there's a state trooper over here wanting to talk to you. And I look around my truck to see what I got in it. I said, okay, I'll be right over. I go over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
You know, this is, like I said, this is my cause. Last year I said, okay, everybody, it takes a family 21 seconds to take a leak. That was a great contribution to mankind's knowledge because I got a lot of people going, you're right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And somebody else said, hey, I pissed for 55 seconds. If guys would drink beer, I guarantee you they could. But see, I like to think that people can still think. So I also like to think that there's a certain degree of what you do goes into the presentation of what you do. It's in the presentation. Can I give you an example? Sure. Three guys go fishing in Valdez. They leave Fairbanks.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
So each guy pulls out $10 out of his wallet and gives it to him. Gives him the key, and they go to their room. The night clerk comes in a little bit later, the night manager. He says, hey, boss, we rented that last room out. He says, all right, what did you get for it? He goes, $30. He goes, you overcharged them by $5.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
He kept two bucks, right? Right. 27 plus two is 29. Where the fuck did that other dollar go? I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
It's the presentation. Where did it go? They paid 30. They got a dollar back and the clerk kept two. Where I'm going is it's the presentation. It's the story. It's the way you tell it. 29 bucks is not 30 bucks. They spent 30 when they walked in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Where I'm going with it is I'm throwing this out there for the people that listen to this show going, that don't make sense. Right. It doesn't make sense, Joe. They go, what the fuck? Maybe you're thinking that right now. What the fuck? Where'd that dollar go?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
I'm not going anywhere. I'm talking about the presentation. I understand. You know, and sometimes things get lost in the presentation. Mm-hmm. You know, AMNH can say, well, we did this, we did that, we did the other thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Nothing happened. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where that other dollar went.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
No, it's not. And like I said, it's the— It's the way it's laid out. I'm laying it out as clearly as I can to these guys. You have the opportunity to do the right thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
And we had some stuff going on at the time. I didn't think there was any reports filed any place. But I go over there and introduce myself to this guy, and his name is Eric Spitzer. He's the head state trooper in Fairbanks. He says, I was just out in the neighborhood. I wanted to come by and introduce myself. I saw you on Joe Rogan's podcast. I love fossils. I love what this is all about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
We have 20 pieces of the puzzle. It's the thousand pieces I want. I won't get them all because I know a bunch of them were stolen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, and when I got a hold of you and I said, I don't know if I have anything, you know, I was trying to give you an out, like, just in case he's got nothing for me. I was trying to manage expectations is what I was trying to do. I just, a lot of people liked my podcast with you last time.