John Reeves
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2271 - John Reeves
My daughter's Elora, who's married to Drew out there. She makes the jewelry. The last time we talked, I said she was Saks Fifth Avenue. She's gone beyond Saks Fifth Avenue. Drew and I are still muddling around in the Dollar General with what we do. We're just making a lot of stuff that people like, like the guitar picks and the ball markers and the pendants.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2271 - John Reeves
But she takes gold nuggets that she finds and uses ivory that she finds and puts it all together in some beautiful jewelry. And I'm plugging her. It's my daughter, Laura Longley Design.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The shine on that wood, you put that on there, and you can shine it to a mirror finish. You can see your face in it.
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It does because of the stink. Ooh. The stink is incredible.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We go in in the morning, there might be a wolf or a couple coyotes or a lynx or two just kind of rooting around in there going,
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, they're looking for it. And they find it. And they find bones. They'll come up to our pallets and take bones right off of them. Wow. And they'll chew them. Like, they'll chew chunks out of them. It's incredible. It's incredible. You know, the stink is unreal.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. Off a blue babe, which was 38 – the other bison I'd said was 38,000 years old.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. Well, you know, we all eat that shit. He had a stew made out of it. What was it like? I talked to him out at the boneyard. He came out there. He's up in years now. But Dale Guthrie, I believe his name is, and he wrote a book on it, on Ice Age stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
He made a big old casting of a woolly mammoth that I bought, not from him, but he sold it to somebody who sold it to another guy I knew who had it for sale.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, they found the whole bison, a mummified bison. If you saw that little, there it is.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I think it's 38,000, but that's all right. Wow. Dale Guthrie is the guy's name.
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#2271 - John Reeves
How do you not take pictures of your food? I told you the story of the guy that found that. Wow. It wasn't a good look. Yeah. But they closed his mine down. They had to take that out. They were supposed to get it out in a day, and it took them all summer. The miner got shut down.
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#2271 - John Reeves
He went over to a different creek. I think I told you this. It's called No Gold Creek. I don't think there's any gold on No Gold Creek. Didn't have a good winter.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That was the only other ground he had. They tied up the whole thing. I mean, you're done. And then when they were done, he went back in.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, it was patented land that he had. It was my company land. He was on my ground.
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#2271 - John Reeves
He was a nice guy. Oh, he let them do it? We're going to get in here. It will take us a day to get it out. He said, go ahead. I see. And then they said, we can't do this, the whole thing. And then they could never get him out of there. They took it out, took him all summer to get it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, you only get 100 days to mine where the water turns to ice.
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#2271 - John Reeves
If you're not mining then, you're done. So every day is a 1% day. Oh, that's terrible. Or 10%. You know, it's like every day.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah, it was horrible. He had nothing but pork and beans all winter. He's the one that found the woolly mammoth.
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#2271 - John Reeves
If you rely on somebody telling you, look, we'll get back in here. You can be back here day after tomorrow. Anybody, any miner that I know would say, okay, come do it. I know I'm going to lose a day, but we'll work on equipment that day. But if you come back in the day after tomorrow and they say, sorry, we're going to be here for a few months. What would you do?
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#2271 - John Reeves
You know, I can't even. It's not like I'm keeping this discovery a secret. People tell me. How many Instagram follows you have? 500 and over 500,000.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I appreciate you doing this because this gives us an ability to get the word out. Yes. And it's important to get the word out to get the other things to fall in place.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And I appreciate the fact that you enjoy the shit out of this prehistory stuff, dude.
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It's not even that complicated a puzzle. The puzzling part is, what the fuck is AM&H doing? They've had those bones in their basement for 100 fucking years. They were required in the original deal to do a report on every bone they took. And they were only supposed to take bones of scientific value. This bone has no scientific value to them. They took it. This bone has no scientific value to them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They took it. None of the bones they took have scientific value, primarily because they don't know where they found them. I have all that information in my files. I have all the stratigraphic information of everything they found. Don't you guys think you ought to weld it to me and we'll say, well, this bone came out of 35 feet on Woodchopper Creek.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Coldstream Creek, Miller Creek, whatever creek it came off.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The experts would come in. After I built the facility where they study them, I understand they're not going to – we have a lab in San Francisco. We're going to send the bones to San Francisco.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Uh-uh. We'll have a lab here. I'll build the motherfucker. I've already offered this up to them, and they still don't jump on a chance. How many dumb shits are around like me?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, that was a movie. By the way, I love that movie. It's a good movie. But I've learned my lesson on if you build it, they will come.
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Because we just built one. They didn't show up. So we use it for our own purposes.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They just can't take the bones out of Alaska. And they got to be like no bullshit researchers, scientists, people that know what they're talking about because I don't.
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#2271 - John Reeves
If I go to AMNH, let's say every day for, once a week for 52 weeks. It's the same displays every week. So all the stuff they collect doesn't go on display. It goes down in the storage or it goes out in the East River. The deal with my company, the nozzle men they called them, there were 200 guys working giants.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And the giant guys, the nozzle guys, part of the perks of working for that company was if you find a tusk, you can have it. They could take the tusks home with them. Really? Yeah, and the skulls and whatever else they found. No one cared back then. Nobody cared. The company didn't care. Take them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And then these guys from New York, the swift-talking city dudes, they come in and go, oh, we want them. So they made it so the men couldn't take them. And they took them all. Scientific value, nothing. They took them all. Well, let's just imagine you're the grandson of one of the old-style nozzlemen who's now dead, but he passed that tusk along to his kid, and now it's yours.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That tusk could be worth $200,000. That could come in handy to that family. Maybe they could have used that money along the way instead of not having it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And the letter that is on there talks about hundreds, hundreds of tusks that were shipped there. I've seen them. It's not like I'm making this shit up. I was down there. I took pictures of them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
In the basement. It's incredible. These big crates haven't been opened ever. And they're just filled with tusks. Well, the tusks are on these big shelves like you see at Costco. They go way up high. Yeah. Just shelves of tusks. Shelves and bison heads and stuff. And then the crates are the bones, leg bones, teeth.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Nobody gave a shit. My company didn't care until, you know, they didn't envision a guy like me come along and own in this company. When I bought the company, I started going through the files going, let's see what I bought. Oh, look at that. I got a lease with the government. Oh, here's another one. I got another lease with the government. Yeah, I got a piece over here a guy offered to buy.
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Now I don't want to sell it. So I go through all these things, and I find the deal with the bones. And I went to the museum. I said, I bought Alaska Gold Company. I want to go get the bones. He goes, I was wondering when you're going to show up. Off to New York we go. Got bullshitted. Oh, yeah, we're going to return them after we take care of the asbestos abatement problem down there.
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Anyway, I told you all this. They have yet to get a hold of us. It's gone to our state legislature to see if they can help. It's coming back to Alaska. Those are my bones. And if they're afraid that it's going to go, well, Reeves, you know, they're worth a lot of money. You know, he could sell them. Look, just send them back. And if I want to sell them, I'll sell them. They're my bones.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It doesn't even make any sense. It's a fucking hobby. You know, we're all queer for something. You know, some people collect stamps. Some people collect coins. My mom used to collect napkins, you know, quilts and stuff like that. I collect bones in historic sites. I got a degree in history. He probably didn't know that. Historic preservation. I like to fix up old shit.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Talking to a guy about Nenana, where the Golden Spike was driven by Harding. That just went up for auction on Christie's.
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#2271 - John Reeves
A Golden Spike, railroad spike, that Warren Harding came up and drove in the railroad back in the 20s when they completed the Alaska Railroad from Anchorage up to Nenana.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, they didn't leave it in there long. Oh. They drove it in. They took the photo op. They did all that.
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Pulled it out. Then somebody bought it and somebody else bought it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. And I know the guys that bought it. I was on the auction. I had the guy on the phone. It didn't take long for it to go past, and I ain't buying it. I don't want it. And it kept going and kept going and kept going.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I was going to stop at around $70,000. It kept going. It kept going. It kept going.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Oh, they gave money, but it wasn't sold. It was like a donation. I'm a benefactor. Here's for the new wing. Right. What do you got? You got any of that Egyptian stuff laying around? Yeah. I want a sarcophagus. What do you say, boys?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, you can. They're always getting arrested for stealing shit. Mostly they're museum employees. If you ever Google, it's amazing what these guys steal from the. Oh, yeah. Museums aren't money makers. You're gonna make money, you're not gonna go own a museum. You're gonna go do whatever you do to make money.
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#2271 - John Reeves
But museums don't make money, so the guys that work there, they go out in the field, and some guy says, well, look what I found. Well, that's very interesting. That looks like a saber-toothed, I mean, that looks like just a cow head. Well, can you find out for me? Sure, I'll take it off your hands.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, we got a site in Florida that we've allowed the University of North Florida to dig on for decades. It's on an Indian mountain there right on the St. Johns River. And every year I allow them to come out and dig. And they found, so far they've found hundreds of thousands of artifacts. We're talking about archaeological stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You know, arrowheads, shark's teeth with drilled holes through them, jewelry, beads, you name it. Whatever they made out of fish bones and animal bones.
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#2271 - John Reeves
My parents bought this property when I was a young guy. But I spent a lot of time as a 9, 10, 11, 12, 13-year-old kid just digging. I like digging in the dirt. And the Alaska stuff was about gold, but it didn't take long to find the bones. And the bones, to me, they're more fun. They're more fun. They're not worth anything to me because I don't sell them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They were obviously doing some stuff. They're not the only ones doing this. Smithsonian is doing this stuff, too. I'm sure. Yeah. There's not much I can do about it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And I've offered to make this happen. Let's get it back here. It's an endless tilt in the windmill and all that stuff. But I never met you before a few years ago. And prior to that, I would just say, the only guy I'll talk to is Joe Rogan about this. Because if I'm going to talk to anybody, I'm going to talk to the most influential man on earth. And you weren't supposed to call me.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Because I didn't want to tell this story. I just wanted to keep boning. And now that it's going, everybody wants me to do all this fucking work. I'm not a research scientist. I don't have all these machines. I can't do all this stuff. What are you asking me for? Go to AM and H. That's their job. That's what they got paid to do. What are you chewing my ass for?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. And we have some knowledge at the end of the day that we don't have now and we won't get if we don't do something like this because all my bones come from one little two-acre spot. And you talk about in situ, you know, in place. It's right there. Yeah. You can't find a bone here and find one nine miles away and somehow say they're from the same area.
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#2271 - John Reeves
But you can sure find them there, and you can find out where they exactly came from. You can figure out what that piece you're holding. You can tell how many times it had sex, male or female, what its diet was, where it traveled to. There's things that you can find out in a collagen that you could never find out 20, 30 years ago. So it's kind of cool. That's very cool.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I just got to wait for these other guys to come along. I talked to Max out there. He's my other son-in-law with Drew and married to my penultimate daughter, Jordan. And he's a really good lawyer. And his interest is in NIL. Have you heard of that?
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#2271 - John Reeves
NIL is name, image, likeness for the kids coming out of high school, college and stuff for the pro sports.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And he played football for Oregon. He was a center. I watched him play in the Rose Bowl. Good guy. And we were talking a little bit about the legalities of stuff like this. And he's pretty good on contracts, and he's read this stuff and said, ah, you got him by the balls, man, because he got the receipts. I guarantee you those guys don't have the receipts. They probably trashed them years ago.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I got every one of them. I got all the letters. I got the communications.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It's been a pleasure. It's always a pleasure seeing you and Jamie.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It's such a simple solution. Just do the right thing. Just do the right thing. And just call me up and say, okay, come get them. I'll have tractor trailers parked out there in 24 hours. Let's load them up, boys. They're going north. Put them on the rail out in Seattle. Send them farther north. We've got warehouses full of this stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I'm at the point now where I'm going, maybe I should just concentrate on what we do for a living instead of the hobby. I can keep digging them up, but what good is it? We're not going to study them. I'm going to leave that area alone. It's got good gold. I don't need to dig the gold out of there. The gold's beneath the bones. And we got to get to the gold. You got to go through the bones.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And we'll get the gold someday. But we found a spot out north of town where we couldn't get drilled to bedrock. It's 450 feet deep. The old timers tried to drill it. They couldn't go deep. They couldn't get to the bottom of it. And I think that's where the fucking hot stuff hit. Really? 25 miles north of town. I think that's where the hot stuff hit. 450 feet and you don't hit bedrock?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Unfortunately, I don't own that claim, but I know who does. I'm not telling them where it's at. Yeah. But I have the records that show what happened there.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Fuck yeah, it would be. There's a lot of answers in these bones that we don't know what the questions are yet. So it's nice that you enabled me to come in.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I'll set you up if you got any other players you want. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, the money we send to Ukraine and they can't find $100 billion of it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And we got a president now that's a business guy. Yes. I don't wake up every morning to see what the fuck he's done. I know that the business is in good hands and he'll take care of it. Because when you drive through it and you see what we got going, you realize, man, there's people trying to make it right. And most of the people in America are good people. It's not racists. They're not sexists.
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They're not bad people. Most people that you see every day are just good people.
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And the ones that want to shut the mining industry down, I'll use gold as an example. By the way, gold's gone up 1,000 an ounce since I saw you last.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They're talking about backing a crypto coin with gold. It's better than money.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah? Gold's where you find it. That's the bottom line, Joe. Right. But once you make a discovery, let's use load gold, which is still in the rock. Plaster gold, what we do, has been eroded out of the rock and is in the concentrates on bedrock. And you've got to wash it and sift it and sluice it. But load gold, you've got to crush to get the gold out of the rock.
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#2271 - John Reeves
He says, but the good news is you don't have bronchitis. I said, okay.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And so from the moment of discovery until you produce it out of that gold mine, it takes average 29 years. Whoa. 29 years to go from finding it to having an operating gold mine or copper mine or lead mine or silver mine or zinc mine. Wow.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And that was about the time I was supposed to be in the studio with you, just a couple days before that. And I'm going, wow, this kind of screwed up my plans. As you know, best made plans and all that. Listen, the plans are all bullshit.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I know a couple of guys you couldn't tell they could rub two sticks together. Good friend of mine bought a bank because the bank had a big vault. He had three tons of gold that he was like a collector, a hoarder. Jesus Christ. He'd been mining for 40 years.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I mean. Three tons of gold. Got to remember there's a difference between a, if I was to ask you what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold, what would you tell me?
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#2271 - John Reeves
You'd be wrong because there's 16 ounces in a pound of feathers and there's 12 ounces, different ounces in a pound of gold. How come? Just the way it is.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It's plaster gold. It's the kind that we have. He was on my ground. And he would melt it and refine it if you wanted to get 24 karat. It generally runs about 85% pure in its form on my creeks. So if you find a one-ounce nugget, 85% of that's probably 24 karat.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It looks like a whale, actually. How big is it? Like in your hand. I got a picture of it on my page. My daughter's holding it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Seven-eighths. Really? Yeah. Damn. If you hold it one way, it looks like a whale. You flip it over, it looks like a dolphin.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, because it looks like something. It's called character. Oh. So if you have a nugget that looks like a whale or a dolphin, it generally goes for four or five times world market. Really? So if gold is $3,000 an ounce, that would be $12,000 to $15,000 for that character that you're buying. If you find a nugget that looks like a heart, no limit. Really?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Bunch of suckers out there. What about one that looks like a demon? That's big money. If you find one that looks like a pile of dog shit, you're going to get spot market.
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#2271 - John Reeves
But every little nugget has some kind of, or bigger nugget has some kind of character that you keep looking for. Like, what's this look like?
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#2271 - John Reeves
I've been gold mining, and I knew how to do it. I wasn't worth a shit, but I'm getting better at it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
De Beers. But you bring up an interesting point. The history of gold mining. Yeah. People don't even know how entrenched in our everyday lingo gold mining terms are. I'll give you an example. Struck it rich? Struck it rich. You hit the mother load. Right. Guy's into, he doesn't know the difference between shit and shinola. Oh, what's that? Shit and shinola is gold. Really?
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#2271 - John Reeves
You can't tell the difference between shit and shinola. I thought it was like poop versus shoe polish. Shinola is gold. Isn't shinola shoe polish? I don't know. I never had a pair of shoes that had shinola.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, he says, you need to quit smoking. I did. I went to the hospital. I was in there for almost five days. I haven't been in a hospital in a while, but they have it. St. Vincent's did a great job. The nurses have their little...
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Probably. I mean, it's those kind of things that are in our language, like pay dirt.
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You hit gold in the dirt. The way I've heard shit in Shinola was shits, shits, shits. Bedrock Schist. Sorry. Oh, I see. Schist and Shinola.
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I actually had to wear them in high school. My parents put me in a reform school.
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You look pretty sharp, and I saw what you were wearing.
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Yeah, it's hard for me. I shop at the same place Fetterman shops.
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I did. I did. What'd you get? I can officially announce that the end of 2024 is right now.
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machines they wheel around and they come into your room every it seemed like quite often to check your vitals to do this to do intravenous to do that yeah so i'm sitting in there and couldn't sleep so i'm one of those guys if you walk by the door and you see an old guy sitting on a bed looking out the door that's me so i maybe got an hour two hours of sleep at night
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That's because it's gotten so bad now that the only reason to run for politics used to be to make the money, not just get reelected. And it's the first thing they try to do when they get elected is start getting reelected.
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That's the only reason I can think of that people would want to get into that game.
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Yeah, he doesn't need the money. He's not doing it for the money.
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I did. I've smoked for over 50 years. And I know it's bad for me, and I've never been an anti-smoking crusader. But if anything good comes of my appearance with you today, it was that this Dr. F. Shari, total stranger, guy I never met before in my life, happened to tell me at the right exact time, you need to quit. And I've been thinking I need to quit for a long time.
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Yeah, well, AOC is the one that says he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met. Did she really say that? She really said that.
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Well, I wonder what she's worth. And Nancy Pelosi, I think, is way up there in the multiple, multiple million.
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My son, Kenzie, works for Palo Alto. He's got a master's degree in cybersecurity. He's working on another one, a master's in AI. Oh, wow. And after talking to him and seeing what he's doing, he did his master's thesis on hacking satellites. And when I heard that, I thought, you know, that puts a whole new light on Bitcoin for me.
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I'm going, I like gold. It's in your hand. You can see it. You can hold it. You can feel it. But here I brought you some Bitcoins. Catch. I just threw you 20 of them.
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See, I just don't understand it. I mean, for two years, Bitcoin went after the gold miners. Well, that's dumb. Why would you invest in gold when you can invest in Bitcoin? So I don't have a problem with Bitcoin. I mean, the guys that are making money on it are making bank. They're doing great.
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My loved ones told me that, my wife, my kids. And I never, okay, yeah, that's a good idea.
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One penny weight coins. There's 20 penny weights in an ounce. And there's an opening right now because Trump just banned the penny. It's about time. Each one of those pennies is worth about six cents. Two cents.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, but the copper itself. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. You got to mine it. Really? So each penny is worth six cents? I'm going to say five cents.
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#2271 - John Reeves
What's the price of copper these days? And you can figure out how many pennies makes a pound.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, but that's today's penny. From 1982, they were made in 95% copper.
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I see you guys do it all the time. I don't know how to do it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You go through a drive-thru to get food and you see the guy in front of you aiming his phone at somebody inside. Right. You don't see any cash flying around.
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I'm old enough to know and remember, if you were in a bank and a guy walks in wearing a fucking mask, usually you had to hit the floor. Right. There's a bank I go to in Jacksonville. We walk in the bank and the tellers are wearing masks. I'm going, this ain't right. What are you wearing a mask for?
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This one bank I went to, teller's wearing a mask. The next teller over is not wearing a mask.
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And you see them driving around with a mask on in the car. That's my favorite.
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And we're out on the field. We're out mining. We've got a lot of dust flying around. We have masks on.
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Well, we made a bunch of masks with my logo on it. So, you know, you're wearing one of these logos on your face.
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Well, you know, I don't want to put a mask on because I'm pretty good looking and shit.
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Well, the doctor told me we had lunch with him about a week ago. He says, the one that told me quit smoking. He goes, when I first saw you, I was wondering, what the hell am I going to do here? Because I'm sitting in there and he has no idea what my ailment is.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, well, since I quit, I don't cough anymore. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. I can breathe better, and I'm still getting better from the pneumonia. I'm sure. Because it takes a while to get over that.
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And so I am a big guy. And the one benefit that came from this is I don't smoke. And I still do the CrossFit, even though you look at me and you can't tell. But I've been doing it for a while. Well, that's great.
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#2271 - John Reeves
My trainer, Megan, was telling me that there's a difference between sick care and health care. And I said, what is it? She goes, well, sick care is when you're sick, you go to the doctor. Health care is your exercise, all the things you do to keep yourself healthy. You don't want to be sick. Right. And we're not paying attention to the health care part.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It was a couple days. Jesus Christ. When we had stuff we didn't want to put on the airlines. Got it. Wink. Government. I'm just teasing. We wanted a road trip. We wanted a little adventure. You know, you fly over this country at 45,000 feet and you're looking out the window. It's a big country.
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#2271 - John Reeves
There's some big farms on the way over that we saw coming across. There's a lot of people eating.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's right. And people say, oh, there's a revolution coming. It's here. I mean, the revolution is here. What we're seeing right now is history being made. Because the people that have been taken advantage of forever, in my opinion, are the people that are out there producing. The farmers, the miners. Oh, for sure. And the guys that I think...
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really control, have their hand on the throttle of this country if they ever decide to take their hand off the throttle is the truckers. Without the truckers, nobody eats. You're right. Nobody. You get nothing.
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That's right. And you're looking out and suddenly you see a little dot and see some houses. I wonder what those people do down there.
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I don't know. It's going to have to be an awful big truck to handle all the copper.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's what I don't get about the blues and the reds. Yeah. There's got to be some people on the blue side to go, it's a good idea that we're doing this.
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#2271 - John Reeves
What he's doing is a good idea because we're squandering a lot of money.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I don't know if you noticed, but after the election, at least in my opinion for myself, I had the right to make an opinion again. I can have an opinion. Yes. I can have an opinion. Finally, I can have an opinion after four fucking years.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I put in one post, I put, I have an opinion. I'm going to use it again. I think we should sink every commercial whaling ship in the ocean. Send them to Davy Jones' locker.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I thought I had bronchitis. Everybody in the house had it. We go to CrossFit, and they all had it. I go to CrossFit Jackson. My trainer's Megan Russell there, and she's going, ah, you might want to take it easy a little bit. Of course, I'm smoking cigarettes, and I got bronchitis. I go to a clinic. They give me some drugs. Yeah, you got bronchitis. Go home.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, that's, anymore you can't hardly tell what's true. I mean, the rumors that are floating around are, is it AI? Is it true? What am I looking at?
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And the rumors, we were talking about rumors on the drive, and I'm going, sometimes you just can't do anything about them. You just got to let them run. And if you can improve them, if you're involved in it, improve it somehow to make it a better rumor.
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One of the most recent rumors, and I was talking to Drew this morning, the rumor that Elon Musk was going to put four commercials on the Super Bowl about Doge and all the fine things they're doing.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, supposedly he was going to spend $40 million on it or something like that. Yeah, but that's just the internet. I know. It's crazy.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I was thinking at least there's going to be one a quarter. Didn't see one in the first quarter, and the second quarter is a half. And by then the game was kind of over.
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Max and Drew out there are saying it's because 75% of the people were Phillies fans in that stadium. I don't know. Could be fake news. The dude tweeted, I hate Taylor Swift.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Exactly. And by traveling, you have a chance at having an adventure. Yeah. Something cool could happen.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I saw a clip this morning with George Lucas was saying that he filmed the moon landing. Oh, you mean Stanley Kubrick? I'm sorry.
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What about Buzz Aldrin? I think he came out and said, no, I would know.
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Take that rumor and twist it around however you want. Make it something you can deal with.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You don't know what to believe. I mean, I just saw a clip yesterday with my voice again. What were you selling? I sent you something. I sent you one of them. Oh, yeah. No, it has you and me talking like this. And we're talking about some space enterprise with starships and shit. And I'm going, how do they do this?
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#2271 - John Reeves
And that will be used in the clip that we're going to see within a week. Probably. Your voice.
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You know, as I get older, you know, I forget shit. And I think it's true. I think that's a defense mechanism.
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So I don't want to remember that one. I'll forget about that one. But, you know, we both made it around one more time around the sun.
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And it's been an unbelievable year, you know, what we've both seen in the last year.
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Yep. Yeah. Like filled with turmoil. I think it's also because it's so quick. The information that you can get is coming at you from every direction. Yeah. Instantly. Instantly. But in 1920, that wasn't happening. No. It wasn't happening in 1880. No. It was like you didn't know like when Seward bought Alaska. You didn't know why he did that. Everybody said Seward's folly.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. How much? $7 million for Alaska. That's so funny. Two cents an acre. Now, let me tell you something. A guy named Klaus Naske, who was a doctor of history at the University of Alaska, I used to teach his kid how to swim. Him and I were at a social function someplace, and we were talking. And we were talking about the purchase of Alaska. And he goes, you know why we did that, right?
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I said, well, yeah, Seward wanted to buy it and $7 million. He goes, yeah, we gave $7 million to Russia. I said, okay, yeah, they sold it to us. He goes, why do you think they did that? I said, I don't know. They said it was because the seals were gone. You know, they had gotten all the seals trade done. He goes, that's not why.
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During the Civil War, Russia blockaded Charleston Harbor with their warships. And it helped the North win the Civil War. And a bill for that was $7 million. And they knew they couldn't just go out to America and say, yeah, the Russians helped us win the Civil War. Really? This is what he told me. Doctor of history. And I said the same thing. He goes, yeah. He goes, nobody talks about it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Nobody even mentions it. But Russia took the $7 million and they gave us Alaska. That'll justify this $7 million. Whoa.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, it makes Alaska the third largest fucking state. First, we got to get Greenland. Let's get Greenland so we got them surrounded, kind of.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I think Drew was talking about this the other day. Canada's got seven – I'm not sure how many provinces, but they're different. And so what they might want to do is make seven new states because the people in Alberta do different stuff than the people in – You can't just have the state of Canada. No, because it would be like L.A. and New York calling the elections.
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It's ridiculous. People forget what it's like to expand America. The last time we did it was Alaska.
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It's gotten—well, I know a few Canadians. They don't like Trudeau. They don't like what he's done to the country.
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Well, the farmers don't like him, I don't think. The miners don't like him.
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Anyways, Alaska, I think, coming from the guy that told me that, he's dead now, but I believe it. But back then there was no fact checkers. There was no way to tell people what was going on. So let's just tell them we bought it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I was talking to my accountant this morning. I think Greenland, if it became a state, it would be the largest state in the country.
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And then Alaska would be second. But Texas is always going to be screwed. No matter how many more states we get, Texas is always going to go down the list. Yep.
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Greenland, then Canada, Alaska, America. I kind of like Mexico, too. Might as well take all of it.
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Well, what I don't get, Joe, we got a pretty good Navy. We got a pretty good Air Force. We got a pretty good military base. What the fuck are we doing not sending A-10s down there into Mexico and taking those fentanyl labs out? What are you going to do, Mexico? You don't like us doing that? We just said they're terrorists. We're going to blow up their fucking buildings.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, tell them we're coming. But we're going to blow the fuck out of that stuff. They're going to have no infrastructure left. What are you going to do? No more avocados? Give me a fucking break. Send some A-10s. I've had A-10s on my ground. They've been buzzing my ground for years. They practice on my ground. Well, they're awesome. Those pilots are good. Yeah.
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A couple little warthogs in there to take care of business.
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Gangster. They knocked the shit out of the SEAL population. Oh, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.
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Like, what's the... I don't really know because we don't have any in our area, but I have a friend that's a mechanic who's telling me he had a... lady come into his auto shop and said something's wrong with her engine. And so he went out and told her, he said, it looks like you blew a seal. And she said, no, I had tuna fish for lunch.
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When we got to, I forget, Texas, there was a place called Bucky's.
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Well, this guy's like Dr. Emeritus in history. I mean, he knows his shit. The problem is then you have to trust those guys.
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That slings me up there in Nome. He sees a lot of that kind of stuff. Otters? All the sea life up there.
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Yeah, they're way out in the middle of the freaking ocean there.
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You get it from Slingsby. Yeah. Big crabs. You know, he goes out, drills through the ice, and brings them up. Through the ice? Oh, yeah. He gets them in the wintertime. Really? Yeah. So it's ocean ice. It's right offshore, right there in Nome.
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First time you go there, you're like, what the hell is this place? 200 gas pumps. Yeah. I'm like, what are you doing? We paid $1.47 a gallon. That's three times less than what I pay in Alaska. Yeah.
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They have a gold mining show that they film off the coast of Nome where they cut through the ice and they send divers down with suction dredges. Whoa. It's on Discovery Channel.
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Some of them stay down there all day, eight hours. They'll do a whole shift.
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They have suits on and they have warm water pumped into your wetsuit or your dry suit.
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Is this the show? Yeah. I've met her before. She's a nice lady.
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He's getting ready to go down. Yeah, that's Sean Pomerecki.
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Well, they probably make more off Discovery Channel than they do gold mining. Really? Yeah, I think.
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I know a few of these guys. They don't get much gold. But they're willing to do that. Oh, yeah. For not much gold. Yeah, but they get a pretty good paycheck. You got to remember something. You know this. There's nothing real about reality TV. That's true.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We did a stint with Discovery Channel. I'm sorry, National Geographic. No more.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, yeah. I mean, they want to make drama. They want to pit the kids against each other.
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It runs right through my property. I helped build that sumbitch. Anyways, I've never understood the economics of how that works.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Oh, cool. No, I was talking to the doctor. He says, you might go through some nicotine withdrawals. And I said, no, I won't. I quit. I'm done. He says, it's not the nicotine that's hurting you. It's the smoking that's hurting you. The carcinogenics going in your lungs and all the chemicals and all that bullshit. He says, nicotine's as good as caffeine. It's just straight up nicotine's fine.
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In my case, I got to the point in my life where I'm going – I've done it for so long, something's going to get me.
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But now I realize, hey, it won't be that. It won't be smoking. It might be a bear coming up on me without me seeing it. It might drive a cat over the edge. I don't know what will happen. But I honestly never thought I'd get past 50 when I was growing up.
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I thought I'd be dead by 45. Why? Why? Child of the 70s, man. It's all fucked up back then.
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You know, there's a former governor of Alaska named Walter Hickel that Richard Nixon appointed to be Secretary of the Interior in 1970. So he went and did that and went into Nixon one day and says, look, the Vietnam War is wrong. Nixon goes, you're fired. Get out of here. So he went back to Alaska. He became a governor, a great governor, probably one of the best governors we ever had.
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And at some point, he was a Republican, but the Republicans already had a candidate. The Democrats had a candidate. So he ran as an Alaskan for Independence candidate. Their party platform was to secede from the United States. And I used to be the treasurer for that group. I'm going, I like this guy. That sounds like fun. Let's do that. That guy got elected. Wow.
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And Jack Coghill was his lieutenant governor. I knew him quite well.
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This was all when Biden was there. I'm thinking worst case scenario, we're going to get the girl that didn't want to be on your show. If we get her, I want Alaska to become its own country. We just got to get away from this. It's a train wreck. But since Trump got in and he's doing the things that he said he was going to do, hey, I like the idea. You want to expand America? Expand America.
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It's a good idea. It's been done before. So you're willing to keep Alaska as part of America?
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People come up and go, give me some something. This is an issue. And I'm thinking, why is it an issue? I don't give a shit about that. That's not a good politician.
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A politician I knew that I talked to one day was a state senator. He goes, here's a trick. All you do when they say that, you go, I see.
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Well, President Trump just announced recently that he wants to get a gas line built through Alaska. And talking about governors, Governor Palin appointed me to be the gas line project coordinator for DOT back when she was governor. And there was another guy that worked for DOT named Frank Richards.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And so I went to work to get a gas line permit written and worked with a guy named Harry Noah, who was a commissioner under DNR's – I'm sorry, under Governor Hickel. He was a commissioner of DNR. So him and I worked on this permit to get a pipeline built through Alaska. It took us three years. I'm the guy that wrote it. I'm the guy that signed it along with Harry.
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#2271 - John Reeves
So when President Trump was doing an interview three days after he got elected, he goes, and we have a fully permitted pipeline in Alaska to go ahead and build a gas line through Alaska. I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the TV and back it up a little bit. I wrote the fucking permit. I signed the fucking permit. He's talking about some work that I did. That's all right.
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#2271 - John Reeves
So Frank Richards now is the president of the Alaska Gas Line project. And they just inked a deal with Japan who came in and said, yeah, we want to buy into this. It's a $44 billion project.
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#2271 - John Reeves
There's a thing called ANWR, the Arctic National Wildlife Range. I think it's, yeah, something like that. And when the president renamed, well, ANWR, you're not allowed to drill in ANWR. You can't drill for oil in ANWR. There's a lot of oil there, but the feds said you can't drill for oil there. You can't produce oil out of there. But that was for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
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#2271 - John Reeves
But if you change it to the America National Wildlife Refuge, kind of like the Gulf of America, you might be able to drill in there.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You get a little plastic bottle of water, right, 12 ounces. Yeah. You look at that bottle, you'll pay $2 for it in a 7-Eleven, you know, for that little bottle of water. Four of those bottles of water make a gallon. You're paying $8 a gallon for water. Water is the most abundant thing on the planet. It's everywhere. Right.
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#2271 - John Reeves
He did it. He signed it yesterday on the way across the Gulf of America. I was on the way over in Louisiana having dinner. I asked the waitress, I said, how far away are we from the Gulf of America?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Not yet. You can see videos where they stick sticks in the water and the sheen comes right out.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Except in some parts of California, apparently, they didn't want to have the reservoirs filled up. Right.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, we did eight years with that guy, right? Yeah. We got out of a long relationship.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We've got a pretty good group of legislators in Alaska.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. For the most part, they're all... They're going to have their squabbles and stuff, but pretty much everybody on the same page.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, it actually does. The people are generally nice to each other and considerate.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Remember we talked about that 60-foot diameter water line coming down from southeast Alaska to California? Yeah. That would have been helpful.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I used to always think that if I go bear hunting, I'm going to go with somebody who I can outrun. But now I get a lot of people asking me if I want to go bear hunting. No.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I have a grizzly bear hide I got from Slingsby up in Nome. And it's on that 1885 pool table that I told you. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to play on that pool table until you show up. Oh, Jesus. It covers that pool table. I'm sure. Got two of those now.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Not grizzly bears. I've seen polar bears and stuff like that. You've seen polar bears up there? Well, not in Fairbanks. I've seen north of Nome.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. They have them up there. I mean, they had one polar bear, apparently, I don't know if it's true or not, that walked into the interior of Alaska. I mean, it just went traveling. Really? Going to have me a little cross-country jaunt.
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#2271 - John Reeves
because they're afraid there'd be a water leak in the Pacific Ocean. You can't have water leaks.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, they eat nothing but meat. Yeah. They're badass motherfuckers.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Oh, so anyway, so you're looking at $8 a gallon for water. Yeah. But oil, first of all, you've got to go find it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Last time you and I were talking, you said you had a friend that makes pool cues. Yeah. Here's a chunk of mammoth ivory for him.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The exterior on that, the blue color, is called Vivianite. It comes from mineralization on frozen artifacts like that.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Then you've got to do all kinds of seismic work. Then you've got to drill. And then you've got to discover it. And then you've got to build a well. And then you've got to build feeder lines. Then you've got to get it to a pump station. Then you've got to get it somewhere in a pipeline. Then you've got to ship it 4,000 miles.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's the mineralization you see on that. We find it's actually easy to find bones sometimes because they're colored blue.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The one that was found over the hill from us, 38,000 years old. Wow. I haven't tested any of my step bisons. Wow. It's 400 bucks a pop, but I would bet that one's at least 20,000, 30,000 years old.
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#2271 - John Reeves
A couple days later, I'm sleeping in my chair, and my wife has one of those little oxygen modern things that you put on your finger. She wakes me up and goes, all right, let's go. What do you mean, let's go? Oxygen levels. You're going to the hospital. What? I'm sitting here taking a nap. No, you're going to the hospital. So I said, okay. So it's late at night. We go to St.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Burt Benrock, Burt gravel, you know, deep, deep, 50 feet down. And since we talked last, I think I kind of figured some things out. Yeah. All that material that has ended up where we're at came in, I think we talked about it, came in some kind of water event. Some flood. Yeah. And that's called the back channel to the pay, what we're digging up pay out of.
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#2271 - John Reeves
So there's a back channel that goes through that valley that's pretty decent in gold. I mean, pretty rich. And the miners used to drift mine that because they couldn't bucket line dredge it. And so it goes around where we're at and it keeps going downstream. So when we moved from where we were at down to, let's go find the back channel. And we set up over here where we started on the left limit.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We started going back up and we found some drift mines up there. And this bone here, I think it was from an old drift mine a couple hundred years ago, you know. that before the discoveries were even made. Some guys were out there digging around and had an old drift mine going.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Step bison. Wow. Either step bison or could be bear. I'm not sure.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And you're paying $1.47 a gallon. How's this working, boys?
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#2271 - John Reeves
They haven't told me, but there is, I mentioned last time, a research vessel that was out there. And in this business, if someone makes a discovery on my property that's significant, they don't talk about it. They don't want anybody to know about it. But there was a discovery made, not by Dirty Water Don or Dan Don. He's still out there, and he's found all kinds of stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yep. And – I posted a letter or part of that report that I was hoping that if somebody, I like people to think, here's where it's located, okay? Here's where it was dumped. And it said at the same point where they dumped it, where AMNH dumped it, is where the New York City Hospital dumped their stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
How hard would it be to go to the hospital and go, look at your records and tell me where you used to dump stuff in the 1940s? Just find out. Just ask them. AMNH ain't going to tell us.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I think he's found mammoth and bison and a jawbone. It could be a horse. I haven't seen any of it with my own eyes.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And here's what I was going to tell you. Someone with a research vessel with side scanning, sonar, and all that stuff apparently found something. I found a mound in the river. It's like 100 feet long, 40 feet high, 60 feet wide. Now, that wouldn't be 50 tons, but it could be a whole bunch of other stuff. And that's why the report said, this will be a significant challenge to future archaeologists.
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#2271 - John Reeves
This was written in 49. To future archaeologists. And I'm going, wait, archaeologists are human things. We're talking about paleontology, which is bone things. But AMNH is the one that called it archaeological explorations.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Why don't they come clean with the saber-toothed tigers?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, the experts out there will tell you that saber-toothed tigers weren't found in Alaska. But you have found saber-toothed tiger skulls. Well, so are they. I have a correspondence posted recently, two pages. It's filled with unbelievable things that... Yeah, that's one right there.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They say that, well, the letter says we have yet to find any human remains, but we found spear tips. Well, we found mammoth bones with spear tips in them, and we found that stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, my daughter's holding up a big mammoth hip bone, and it's got a spear. Where's that? Bone Rush, Alaska. I mean, our...
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#2271 - John Reeves
Spear tip's out, but we have the bone. We have a couple bones like that, Joe.
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#2271 - John Reeves
In fact, I posted a picture of 12, or I think it was around 12 spear points that were sent to AMNH that disappeared. Shit disappeared.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I have a letter I just posted here just in case we wanted to talk about it from Childs Frick, who was head of AM&H back when this was all going on. His dad was Henry Frick. His dad was the most hated man in America for a while for killing his people. He was a steel guy, a steel industry founder.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, they wanted overtime pay and they didn't want to work so hard. He brought in the gang, those hired thugs, the Pinkertons or whoever it was.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I don't know how many they killed of his guys. He was ruthless. Henry Frick was ruthless. And his kid Childs was the one that set this deal up, this tripartite agreement, which is also included in this letter, about AMNH's responsibility with these bones was to just take those of scientific value and do a report on every one they took. They took over 40 years.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They took tons and tons and tons of them. Did no reporting, nothing. Dump 50 tons in the river because they didn't have a place to store them, apparently. They didn't care. That's crazy.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, you find a bone with a spear tip in it or a bone that obviously had a spear tip in it because of the way it's broken. I mean, I have a baby mammoth hip bone that is like that.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, our state legislature, I told you last time I was going to go political on this. I've got no desire to litigate this thing. Litigation just takes a long time. Politically... I told you last time we're going to go this route. And I have a letter I just posted from the Alaska State Legislature to AMNH to return the bones from the Senate majority.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The guy that wrote that is a fellow by the name of Click Bishop. And the Senate president signed it with him. But Click is a good, honest, decent gold mining legislator. He was termed out this time and decided not to run again because I suspect he'll run for governor here, and he'll probably win in a couple years. And Click is one of those guys that wants the bone back.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We met with him and his chief of staff, the president of the university, and the museum guys and some other state legislators. And we want him back.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. Yeah. Bring them home. Bring them home. Well, I made the offer to... Build the research facility. Store everything. We'll bring them all back here. The scientists can have access to them. But the bones are not leaving Alaska. They're not leaving Alaska.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Why would you? Why would I? Why would you? I don't. You shouldn't. And I get a lot of people, oh, I need a mammoth bone for our studies. You're just trying to collect something.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I'll never get it back. Come on up and find it. Yeah. Come find them. They're all over the place.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, downstream makes this one look like a piker. How big is that area? It's a mile long.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, it was incredible. So when we started back down at the mouth and headed up the left limit, we hit some fairly modern day drift mines on that side until we got farther up. And we went all the way up to where we had been set up before and we crossed back over tracing this back channel because that's where the gold was.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We didn't get maybe 50 feet, and we were finding these steel tubes sticking out of the ground. Well, that's how they used to melt permafrost, but this was virgin ground. It had never been mined. So we kept going, and we found some pretty significant things over there. And we're on the hunt.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, we can't seem to find anybody that's willing to come up there and study it. You know, I've made all these offers, generous offers.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Because they're scared that you're going to own everything and you're going to... Well, two of the employees at AM&H happened to have a conversation with somebody that Is related to the state of Alaska or employed by the state of Alaska where they said, we don't want the bones to get into Reeves's hands because they'll lose. The scientific community will no longer have access to them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
and they're real valuable, and we think he's going to sell them. Now, the people that he said that to was with some legislatures, university employees. Where we were at, you couldn't even count the fucking number of tusks.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We're not there to sell tusks. I want to figure out I'm goofball this way. What the fuck happened? Why did 80, 65% of the world's megaphone or North America, why'd it go all extinct all at once? Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. And they have in that collection that they didn't dump in the river in my collection was, let's say it's a 2000 square foot or 2000 piece jigsaw puzzle.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I got 42 pieces over here. They got the rest. I'm not going to solve anything with 42 pieces. I want it all. Put it all back in Alaska. Let the state of Alaska study the fuck out of it. And we will tell you how the extinction event happened. It's been, paleontologists know that. But they don't have money. They don't really want to put up with the shit they have to do to get it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, but I'm not digging it. I'm thawing it. Right. Take a scalp. You know how the paleontologists, you see them on TV with the little scalpel and, you know, toothbrush and shit. That don't fly around there. You got to melt it and get it the hell out of there. That's people that criticize for how we do it. But if we don't do it, we don't get it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And we're not going to use mechanical equipment on it because I don't want to destroy it. I could strip that old 2.1 acres in two shifts. And I'd lose every fucking bone. It'd be smashed.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You run a detent across that stuff, they ain't going to survive, man.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They're all connected that way, and they don't want to piss off a human age because we can't hire. This guy needs our grant money to do what he does, or he needs to be our employee. Hey, here's one for Elon Musk and his Doge guys. Go check into those guys and see where their money goes, the AMNH. See where their money goes, the federal grants they get. See where that stuff goes.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You know, might as well, because that's the only way you're going to bring them in to heal. These guys have been running unfettered forever. Nobody checks on it. The management's horrible. Nobody comes in and says, what did you spend that $2 million on? No. I don't know. Look at that funny-looking bird over there, Hunter. It's out of control.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I'm basing it on my interactions with them. But I will tell you this. One of the main people that people say, you need to litigate this. You need to sue their ass. I'm pretty good at that. I've been involved in two of the longest lawsuits in state history. And I've won both of them. I'm betting like Hall of Fame kind of stuff. But the guy that made the deal with me is, I can't depose him.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You can't depose them. It's like be deposing a cabbage in the head of lettuce. What do you mean? He's like Biden. Oh, he's gone? That's what I hear. Oh. But he's still employed. He's still pulling in a pretty good paycheck. To me, that, you know, maybe you do that in the private sector.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Maybe you do it, and I don't know how much money that AM&H gets from the feds, but we looked into it a little bit. They get some. If they don't want to give Alaska, the state of Alaska, if you look at who wrote that letter, it's not John Reeves now. It's the state of fucking Alaska. And I told you, it's the only way to get them back.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We got to get our politicians up there going, no, no, no, no, no. And are they willing to do this? They just wrote a letter saying that's what you're supposed to do. So what's the next step? I don't know. We haven't gotten a response from that fucking letter.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And I said, I know. You know, if you have the politics lined up right and you see the right people where they should be and you got people that want to just do the right thing.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. Drew and I, my wife and Laura went to New York to meet with AM and H, and they had to stand in the rain for four hours and then wouldn't meet with us.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They discover why all this megafauna, what happened? Why did the sea levels rise 400 feet all at once? What went on here? There's animals that we found they said didn't exist there.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They're doing a little backpedaling now, but... What they need to do is put all the pieces of the puzzle on the table and start putting it together.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I told you elk last time. You pointed out there's an island that has some elk on it. But they were planted there. They're not. Oh, they were?
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#2271 - John Reeves
And moose came in later, but they didn't even know moose was up there in that time. We found four of them. So moose were up there. And there was a transition from. From grasslands, which is good for the mammoth and the bison and the horses and the caribou, to the woodlands where browsers could feed the mastodons, the mammoths, or not the mammoths, the other animals that ate that kind of stuff.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And the carnivores were having a field day. They didn't care.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I have a little video of it. Where? It's on my phone someplace.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I have another picture up there if you want to pull that bison head up. The spear point in it, still in it. Really? Right here.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Not that one. That was fairly recently, Jamie. Oh, really? That I posted it, yeah.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Here's Click Bishop. He's the senator that sent the letter. Keep going.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Was it months ago or was it recently? Probably in the last week or two. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I gave you the wrong direction. See it anywhere?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Right by the arrow. Right by the arrow. Yep, go up right there.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, we live in the ice age. We go to work in the morning. We're in the ice age.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It's a different way to think. You see something, you go, okay, what the fuck? What is this? You find something, you go, that's not human. I mean, that tool was made by a human.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, we found that one tool that was obviously... shaped by humans, carbon dated 25,000 years old. Wow. And it looks like it was sawed. And it looks just like if I was to take this cup, you know, you hold it in your hand, just like something to mash anything with.
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#2271 - John Reeves
If you look closely, you can see there's some kind of organic material in some of those cracks and crevices. And you see some Schrager lines in there.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's a line in the mammoth ivory that's different than elephant ivory. Oh. You can tell the difference.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Without any prompting, Joe, I've given that thing to other people to hold. It sits like that. They pick it up. It's the first thing they fucking do.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, the other thing is, I said this last time, I'll say it again. We've lived with woolly mammoths for tens of thousands of years. We know what that thing, what that tool is. It's in our DNA. First thing we do when we pick it up, boom, boom, boom. We don't feel like that about rats. People go, ugh.
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#2271 - John Reeves
woolly mammoth little kids love them parents love them everybody likes woolly mammoths you think it's our dna because we used to hunt them no we live with them i think we domesticated them what i think we've lived side by side with them really i really do why do you think they domesticated them what makes you think that okay you got a big hairy animal right Boy, they got some, like, muskox.
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#2271 - John Reeves
You hunt them with a spear. I mean, you can knock one over if it's dead or you stick a spear in it, cripple.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, they didn't. It's like that polar bear you saw walk up that guy's truck.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And one man would go, what the fuck? You can do it to me. Right. Well, if you want to kill half your tribe, go try to stick a spear in that guy. Right. He's got 10-foot tusks.
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#2271 - John Reeves
With a spear that you're throwing. And people go, well, they had atlatl. Okay. Where are you going to build an atlatl on a grassland? Right. Where there's no sticks.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's what I'm saying. They had spears. If they had wood big enough for a spear, but atlatls are not spear size.
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#2271 - John Reeves
But if you had a spear that you crafted, we have a picture of spear tips that were sent to New York. And that other document in there talks about finding them in association with the bones. They weren't studying this stuff. They just wanted, AM&H just wanted the booty. That guy Charles Frick wanted these things back in New York City.
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#2271 - John Reeves
It's all artist's renditions. All of the stuff that we've been taught is based on what somebody painted or drew or sketched.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Or even some of the cave drawings that shows people sitting on woolly mammoths.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, I've seen them before online. If you believe everything you see.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, and it takes a while back then to get the word out. Yeah. I mean, people had to travel to spread the word. They didn't, I don't think they had smoke signals that they could explain it in the sky. I don't think you'd be able to explain a bow and arrow in the sky with smoke signals. I'm willing to go out on a limb on that. When we come up with the expression the cloud, we use a cloud now.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, and the way we collect, we don't get all the small stuff, but we bail all the small stuff out of the drainage and we stack it so it can be gotten later. We don't lose any of it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I bet we have millions of what I call microfossils. Millions. Really? And the stuff that we bale with the equipment and just stack it up.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I found one in 1974. That was the first one? Yeah, but I was mining up north.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Did it have the teeth in it and everything, or was it just... It had one full tooth and one broken half. Really? And I think I told you... The British Museum visited. Yeah. Got to take it back and clean it and restore it and send it back to me. Never saw it again. Of course.
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#2271 - John Reeves
By the way, I want to thank you for your podcast and the one with President Trump.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The Smithsonian. AM&H got in trouble for grave robbing. Most museums have done that. They've taken artifacts from cultures and they just keep them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Look at that one. That's a cave lion skull that we found.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's the best one ever found in Alaska. Wow. My son Kinsey and I found that together.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I thought that was great. And I made the mistake of complimenting you on that page. I said, I really enjoyed the podcast between you and President Trump. Jesus Christ. 8,000 people coming at me. I'm stopping to follow you. You're a nasty person. I hate you. This is on your page? On my page.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Right. And AMNH says they don't have one, but we were going through the shipping records and we can see where they were shipped one. The correspondence that I just posted talks about them getting them and camels and other, you know, other things that were sent somehow disappeared.
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#2271 - John Reeves
They got a bunch of mint La Brea tar pits. I mean a bunch.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Wow. Wow. When you come up, give me enough of an advance notice and maybe send Jamie up in advance and we'll put a little... Jamie never leaves his apartment.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Carl will get along just fine with our dogs. He'll run off. We'll put up a putting green for him. He'll attack your dogs. He's a little torpedo. You need to start coming up there in the summer and we'll do some podcasts. Podcasts from Fairbanks, the Bone Crew. Bring your friends with you. It'd be like protect our parks only different.
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#2271 - John Reeves
At least half a dozen. Wow. At least. I mean, it's just, I don't know because we have 300,000 fossils. And you haven't examined all? Oh, fuck no. No. We only have time to pick them up. And maybe I'll take a picture. Or maybe Drew will or one of my guys, my kids, my wife, somebody might take a picture of it. Or we'll take a picture of them holding it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
The bones ain't going anywhere. Right. If the timing ain't right, the timing ain't right. If the politics aren't right, I'm not going to litigate this. It's not worth my time.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I know. A great man once told me that. The problem is I don't take advice and I don't give advice. I'm trying.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I don't want to. If they're not going to play fair, I don't want to play with them.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, that pneumonia has a certain amount of recovery time. I'm sure. How long is it? Three months, maybe. Really? God damn. It took 50 years for me to fuck up my lungs. But I'm cleaning them up now.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, we were talking about the gas line. Right. Got that going.
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#2271 - John Reeves
There always is. You're going to have people sue people. We don't want this. We, Alaska's.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, but that oil pipeline has been running for a long time. Provides 12% of our country's gas, oil. No problems. Well, we had a problem at, you know, Bly Reef. What was that? Exxon Valdez.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I brought you some goodies. What'd you bring? Well, some things that you can remind you of the boneyard. Oh, okay. We make a little bag here for you too, Jimmy. What do you got here, buddy?
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#2271 - John Reeves
Some little pendants. You can give them to your kids or whoever to put on a necklace. Those are pieces of mammoth ivory.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That's a pennant. That's probably 30,000, 40,000 years old. Isn't that nuts? Drew and I make those.
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#2271 - John Reeves
We just use broken stuff. Yeah. We have tons of broken tusks. They can't be restored. Complete tusks, we just restore them and then move on to the next one.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Vincent's Clinic, go in. It's late. And sitting there waiting for the doctor, Arian F. Sherry, great guy, it turns out. He comes in and looking at me. He's young enough to be one of my kids. He goes, stethoscope, listening to my lungs. He goes, do you smoke? I said, yeah. He says, you need to quit. I said, I just did. He goes, what? I said, I just did. I'm done. Now what do we do?
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#2271 - John Reeves
I don't tell them that. I just say, hey, go fuck yourself. Got an image show.
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#2271 - John Reeves
No, I just don't sell tusks. I don't sell any bones. Not even a... I can give the stuff away because I own it. I can give it away. But I don't sell it.
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#2271 - John Reeves
There has been expressions of interest, but they want to come up and They have no place to study stuff. They want to send it all outside to their house and wherever, their university, wherever. And you don't want that.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Now, you recall last time I was here, I gave you some gun grips from the guy that makes those Burkett Customs. Well, since then, he got into making firearms.
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#2271 - John Reeves
So he made it, Drew and I, a couple 1911s. I posted those. Real nice that he's getting into that.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah, that's a section of a mammoth tooth that's been cut. Wow. And the one on the bottom is mammoth tusk.
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#2271 - John Reeves
No, I think he might have put a little coloring in it. Oh, wow, that's beautiful. In the epoxy.
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#2271 - John Reeves
That is beautiful. And he got our name on the guns, too. Wow. And the logo. Now we can say we were insured by Burkett. Don't rob a bank with that gun because they're going to know who you are. Yeah. They got cameras that'll tell them. That's pretty dope. Anyway, so he did that. And then the other guy who you both have carvings from, Chuck Leak is his name.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And you know that one thing that you have, the pipe with the tusks? Right. I don't think you've ever used it. No. No. That's his kind of stuff. Oh, I see. So he knew I was coming on your show, and he goes, can I make you and Joe a special carving? Can you give Joe his when you see him? I said, yeah. I'll give it to him when I go down there. So I brought it to you. It's here in this box.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yeah. All right. His name's Chuck Leak, probably the best ivory carver on the planet. There's a picture of him carving a, he carved a letter opener for the Pope. There's a piece of tape there in the middle, Joe, on the front, right where your hand is.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I've had him make me one for every animal that we've found. He's got them with horses.
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#2271 - John Reeves
No. Anyways, Chuck has made, for every animal that we've found out there, he's taken a mammoth tooth and carved the animal inside it just like that mammoth.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, I want to get the saber-toothed tiger back right now. I can't seem to find it. One museum stole one, and I think the other museum stole one, too. So one museum stole one? The British Museum stole one. And AM&H says they never got one. But the correspondence that's listing there talks about them being shipped to New York. Talks about the agreement we had with AM&H.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Sorry. Sorry. Otto Geist was a scumbag that collected for him. He was a railroad field hand. Now he ended up with a doctorate in anthropology from the University of Alaska who was in on this whole deal.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Well, maybe they can rebuild it after they rebuild Hawaii and North Carolina and take care of some of those guys.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I have a letter posted of what I consider a pretty... Interesting way to offer a bribe back in the day. Really? Yeah, it's posted. How did they do the bribe? It was a letter from Charles Frick to the president of the University of Alaska. And the sentence that got my attention was, well, first of all, you invited him to join him and his wife in New York City for a night at the mansion.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And then the last sentence was, and we can discuss things that man always needs more of.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Back in the day, it was a king's English. They talked proper and all that.
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#2271 - John Reeves
Yep. We saw a lot of it in Georgia when we went through.
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#2271 - John Reeves
And we all collect stuff. What do you collect? What's your favorite thing to collect? Pool cues. Pool cues. There you go.
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#2271 - John Reeves
I got more if he needs more. I don't know what size he needs or how thick it should be. I don't know either.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I just don't want to disappoint you or disappoint the people that follow you or listen to these stories because, frankly, some of them might not be interested in it. A lot of them are.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And don't forget what I told you about there's other people out in the river. Yeah. We're talking if I have a guy come up and go, hey, I want to go prospect this creek. And I say, okay, go ahead and prospect it. And they go prospect it and it comes in really hot. It's good. But somebody else comes along, I'm not going to send them to that creek. The other guy's already there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So there are things happening in the East River that spread all over the place. This guy might find this. This guy might find that. These other guys might find that. I'm not going to tell any of them anything. Go about your business. I'm not going to divulge any confidential information to anybody. Keep looking. I don't envy them for it. We don't have to look. We go get coffee. We drive out there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We pick up a tusk. Coffee's still too hot to drink. These guys got to get on a boat, go out in the East fucking river, put on scuba gear, go down there with zero visibility. That ain't easy.
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#2080 - John Reeves
My daughter out there, Lauren, she went on the boat with them, I think, last year. She was in New York, and she went along for the ride. And that ain't easy work. No. But I hope they find them. I hope they do, too. I hope they hit the mother load. Me, too. And I will tell you this. The mother load is still out there. I know that.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yes, sir. You're the man. You're the man. You're the man.
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#2080 - John Reeves
My kids like to look for bones, and I take them out in the woods, and we look for stuff. I just wanted to come by and introduce myself. And the excitement in is just him talking to me. I said, well, follow me over. I'll go show it to you right now. So we went over to the boneyard. He got out and he looked around. He just couldn't believe it. He picked up some bone parts.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I said, well, now you're a boner. You just got to find one. And we bullshit a little bit. He goes, do you mind if I bring my kids out sometime? I said, bring them out this weekend. We'll fire the pumps up. I'll turn you guys loose, and then we'll come check on you once in a while. And they found a pallor too full of bones. Little fragments of leg bones. And then they came back the next weekend.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They found a mammoth tusk. And they found these sawed bones, a few of them. We got 15 of them now that they found. And so I told everybody those bones are now called the spitzer, the spitzer vines. Two little young daughters found them. Sometimes it just takes a new set of eyes. I don't know how many of those we've picked up in the past, but we never looked at it that way.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So I brought one with me. This is the one that I carbon dated. And so this is the one that's 200 plus years old. You see that notch right there? That's what I cut out to send in to get carbon dated.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Don't know how many, but I know there's others out there that are making finds. So are they using spotlights?
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#2080 - John Reeves
The lady, Jeanette Rimes, a Dakota huntress, she thinks it's a moose leg bone. But set it on its end there, other end.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Now, 200 years ago, what kind of utility would that have to do that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
The people that did that. Why would they have a bone like that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, but then what? You eat it. Maybe a candle? Maybe some marrow?
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#2080 - John Reeves
But I think there's some utility to that bone is what I'm saying. Yeah. Just the way it sits. It could have put fire embers in it to keep, you know, overnight. Because this was 200 years ago.
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#2080 - John Reeves
This was 100 years before Fairbanks was discovered. This is even more of a mystery to me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's obviously owned by Russia. It's about the same time frame, yeah. Russians owned Alaska. And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't go up. They founded Anchorage in the late 1700s.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. No? No, I agree with you. I don't know. Yeah. That's the whole thing. None of us know.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, those two lilies you just showed, they looked like cups to me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. No. Hmm. Hmm. That's right. Because up till now, the dating sequences have been 3,000 before present to now it's 40,000 years before present. That puts it up to 200 years before present. Which is interesting. It is interesting.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, I'm in the gold mining industry, and we have a code that we don't talk about.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I have no idea. Does anybody have a theory? There's probably a lot of theories. But that's the whole point about all this stuff. Nobody knows.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Which is I was hoping that was going to be the case. Yeah, that would have been wild. And when I got the carbon dates, I went, ah, damn it. But thinking about it, though, it's even more of an interesting thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I believe so. I have never seen it. But I know he found that was one of the first things he found. He found some mammoth ivory.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, we did find a skinning rock across the valley on top of a hill that still don't know how old that is or where that's from. A skinning rock? A skinning rock. It's posted there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, there's even a little indent on the side for your finger as you flesh something out. And what is it made out of? Stone from Eastern Europe. Remember, we talked a little. Oh, that's right. That's right. And it wasn't local. Right. So there was a lot of traveling, migrating, going on across that Bering land bridge because it was ice free corridor. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And it went all the way into the lower 48. So there's a lot of stuff that we find, as I said last time, that they say didn't live there, but it sure died there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Dire wolves being one of them. Sabertooth being another one. I found one and my company found one before I was around. Sent them to New York City. I asked to see them, but they didn't have them available. And let's see what else we got. Badgers, elk.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They didn't find the bones. But they literally didn't think that saber-toothed tigers lived in that area. They didn't think that. In fact, in that film, that documentary film, Pat Druckenmiller, who's the curator now and the director of the museum, says to their knowledge, none of them have ever been found there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But to my knowledge, they have been because on a shipping manifest to AMNH that one was sent to them. The one I found was stolen by the British Museum, never returned. So I'm on kind of a little bit of a rampage these days about the museums and what they're doing with these collections. It's kind of a one-man thing. It's a cause. I think it's important.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. And the AMNH is a private institution, but the Smithsonian is a public entity. It's owned by us. So they answered a different set of rules. The Smithsonian has to respond to a FOIA request. AMNH says, what are you going to do? Sue us. We'll stump break you.
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#2080 - John Reeves
With money, with lawyers, with all that litigation costs.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, because I have another plan. This plan's going to work.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I have people in our state legislature working on this right now. There's a senator named Click Bishop who's on the finance committee. He's on the resources committee. He's the majority whip, and he's making efforts to get the bones back to Alaska from the state of Alaska. Okay. Now, M&H might be able to take on John Reeves. This don't break me. But they can't do it to the state of Alaska.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The state of Alaska will go toe-to-toe with them some bitches. Now, after we get that through the House and state legislature, the Senate and the House, we'll go to the congressional delegation. You've heard what an act of Congress is, don't you? You know what that is.
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#2080 - John Reeves
M&H, give them their goddamn bones back. AM and H is going to see the light. This is a political solution to this. Not lawyers, not all that stuff. I got nothing to gain from this. You know, I'm just trying to get them back in Alaska so we have that thousand piece puzzle to put together. They were supposed to be studied and researched and the answers to the extinction event are within the bones.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's impossible for them to come up with any scientific research because they don't have the stratigraphic information. They don't even know where it was found. Right. But I do. Let's put it all together, boys, and then we'll study it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that's why that cut bone, by the way, I noticed you don't have a spitzer bone out there in your lobby.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's what we call the spitzer bones. Oh, yeah. You ain't got one of those in your lobby. No, I don't. I'm going to fix that shit.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I've got people going, oh, he needs to get a Cadillac and mount it on the hood. Well, that's not a bad idea. As long as you don't drive it around.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It needs to be preserved. The Blue Bay bison was 38,000 years old. And they could have known each other back in the day. Well, it looks old as fuck. It is old as fuck.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I do when I have people like Eric Spitzer and his daughter show up and they're just the happiness. They're just so gleeful. Yeah. And sometimes I need to see that to remember that what we're doing is kind of worthwhile.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It means that people enjoy it and they like seeing it and they like doing it. We just haven't figured out a way to let everybody do it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And it's partially my fault because I tell everybody, look, Until we get our bones back from the bowels of the AM and H, nothing's going to get studied. If they want to do this and continue doing this, they can deal with Drew out there because we're not going to just say, okay, we'll study 20 pieces of the 1,000-piece puzzle. We're just two guys with one giant.
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#2080 - John Reeves
My company had 200 giants running at the same time for over 40 years. recovered tens of thousands and thousands of bones, all of which were taken to New York, 50 tons of which were dumped at least one time in the East River and maybe more than that.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They won't talk to me. Why won't they talk to you? Well, when Drew and Elora and I and my wife went to New York a few years ago, they were supposed to meet with us, and they decided to have us stand out in the rain for four hours.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They had so many of them, and they said, ah, nobody's going to give us any money for this. I have an idea that's a good cover story for making sure your wealthy donors get a little something-something and getting them off the books.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Museums aren't money-making institutions. Right. And so I think a lot of the times they get something donated, especially when there's no control at all. There was no control on what was going on.
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#2080 - John Reeves
$100 billion to Ukraine. We could have built a gas line from the North Slope to the lower 48 and a water line from Southeast Alaska to Northern California and took care of the people in Maui. Yeah. And still have some change left over.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Thank you, sir. Cheers, sir. Good to see you again. Good to be seen.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, they are. And seemingly they don't care what we think. No.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I think, you know, I'm in business, you're in business. We have a divided Congress. We got half, a little bit more than half, that think this president we got should be impeached. We got the other lower, a little bit less than half. Not one of them think he should be impeached. So my belief as a business guy is as long as they're fucking with each other, they're not fucking with me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They're leaving us alone. Right. And that's kind of what's going on right now.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. So you went all the way to New York to meet with them? Well, I went there to the Explorers Club to show the documentary. There was a screening of the documentary on the Boneyard. And what, did they just decide that you're too problematic? I think so, yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's the best case scenario. They stay busy with themselves and do what we want.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But if the other part is I don't want to let my bones leave Alaska. Right, of course. They never seem to come back.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In that case, I think the guy never even got back to the museum. I think he just took it home. He was working for them, but they're a bunch of—it's like we don't sell bones from the boneyard. We don't sell bones. We've given some bones away. That's because I own them. I can give them away. They didn't own them. You know, museums don't own them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, La Brea, there's a lot of them at La Brea Tar Pits, I believe. Alaska's a, you know, you keep it in perspective. I'm down here in your neck of the woods. There's probably 200,000 or 300,000 more people live in this city of Austin than live in the entire state of Alaska. The whole state.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yesterday, Drew and I were going, hey, let's drive out and look at the farms in the countryside. We drove for two hours. We couldn't get out of town. We ended up at the airport every time. But there's a lot of, boy, there's a lot of building going on over last year. Yeah. Seems like there's a whole lot. Yeah, it is.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Not anymore. No. It's blown up. When are you guys going to get a football team?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because I don't think they ever envisioned somebody like me owning this company.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So we looked around, looked around, and said, well, let's just look around a little bit more. Saw parts of Austin that probably are not on the beaten track. But, hey, I thought, well, let's drive down to the border and see if we get kicked out of Mexico. Yeah. He goes, it's 485 miles. I said, we ain't going. Yeah, it's a haul.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I don't blame the people for wanting to come here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. It's just it doesn't seem to be any management of what's going on.
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#2080 - John Reeves
To some degree. I'm a gold miner after all. Yeah. You know, Mark Twain said a miner is a liar standing next to a hole in the ground. Oh, that's funny.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, you talked about AI. Well, someday, and probably not too far in the future, you'll be able to do your podcast without even being here. AI will have you sitting there, have me sitting here, and it will be guessing what we're going to talk about.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And the other thing is you don't know if what you just saw is real. Right. That's a real problem now. That is a real problem because – Right now, the stuff you say, it can't be real.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, I've been thinking, you know, the speed of light was always the standard growing up. Nothing faster than the speed of light. Then I thought, there is something faster than that. It's the speed of thought. We can think faster than that light can travel. I'll give you an example of that. I saw it online. It has to be true. There's 200 billion trillion stars in a known galaxy.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's not just some guy making that shit up. That's a real smart person that's done the studies on this universe. 200 billion trillion galaxies. Or stars. How many planets would that be if they averaged five apiece? Yeah. That's a bunch. That's a bunch. That's such a massive thing to think about. There's no point in even thinking about it. You know, it's by me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And time, and I've heard you say this, is something we made up. Right. There's no such thing as time. Right. This is the only time right now. Yeah. It's gone already. Yep. It was here. It's gone. Right. Now, you talk about be nice.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Maybe the whole thing. Maybe those people, aliens, whatever you want to call it, visited Earth about 65, 75 million years ago and they said, hey, no life like us can live here with these dinosaurs running around. Yeah. Let's burn this son of a bitch down.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I think the pandemic brought on a whole series of mental disorders in this country. Oh, yeah. In this world. We're getting set up for it again probably. Yeah. And you were talking once about quiet desperation.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's a lot of people that were worried. I was worried. You know, I have a family. When all that started going on, going, oh, no. Yeah. I want to protect my family if I can. I can't. Nobody can. Not when they're making viruses in labs. For what reason? Right. Why would you make that virus? Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, just make them go nuts. Kind of like what's going on. Right. We got shit going on. You know, talking about planet killers. We can kill this planet right now if we want. If all those triggers get pulled and all the... Oh, yeah. Many times over. Yep. That's where we're at. It's unfortunate that we have to live like that and think about that. We shouldn't be thinking about that. No.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. This is just the stuff they threw in the river is not even the good stuff. I don't know if you saw that little video I posted of their collecting techniques where they threw them in a big pile. No idea where they came from. Wow. It's on my Instagram.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I thought I was protecting the world. You know, you get so many years, and we've made it both around one more trip around the sun since I saw you last time. Yeah. And Willie Mammoth's had a built-in escape. You get six sets of teeth. When the last set is gone, you starve to death.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And our ancestors that were living with us, and I'll say this because I know, they were living with us back in the Ice Age. They weren't working against us, and we weren't working against them. All that we wanted to do was survive from one day to the next.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that's all they wanted to do. I went off on this a little bit recently about the way we portray mammoths being the extinction caused by humans. I'm going, no, you got it all wrong. We live with them side by side for tens of thousands of years. What if we kind of lived together? What if we went out and collected their wool and made clothing? What if we didn't run them off cliffs?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I've seen the spear tips. You're not going to stick that through five inches of fur, three inches of skin, leather, to hit a vital organ in a woolly mammoth thrown by a guy from me to Jamie. First of all, you're not going to get that close. It'll stomp the shit out of you. Wooly mammoths have 10, 12-foot tusks. They just don't stand there going, oh, stick a spear in me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They're swinging their head, and they're cleaning stuff out. The short-faced bears knew better. Short-faced bear will go after a baby mammoth, but not a big wooly mammoth. I think they were kind of like domesticated to some degree. Same thing with Musk Oxen. I talked to Matt Slingsby up there in Nome about this. He spends a lot of time out there with the Musk Oxen.
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#2080 - John Reeves
He sees how they protect their young. I can see kind of us living with those guys, domesticating them to some degree. Hey, you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone, but let's work together. We didn't always stick spears in them. You know, all the paintings you see now, even prints online shows this caveman sticking a spear in a mammoth. I call bullshit on that. And you know why I can do that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because nobody can say you're full of shit. Because they don't know either.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Everybody's encouraged me to litigate this. I've been involved in litigation before and I have a pretty good track record because I protect my property rights. I don't care if it's real property or intellectual property.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There were very few people in the Ice Age anyways. Very few. They didn't travel in groups of 100 or 200, I don't think. We'd have found evidence of that. But if your choice is to go, let's go knock over that caribou over there, or let's go over there to that woolly mammoth and half of us get killed. What do you say, boys?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, first of all, you can go kill that caribou, skin it, gut it, and eat it for a few days. Meat won't go bad. Right. You knock over a woolly mammoth with 2,500 pounds of meat, you ain't going to eat very much before it all goes bad.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And, you know, we have a woolly mammoth brain in one of our permafrost tunnels. Oh, really? Yeah. We're way ahead on this frozen DNA stuff. We formed a little. We have permafrost tunnels. They stay frozen year-round. There's no electricity. There's no cost to it. It just stays frozen. And that's what you have to do with DNA material, keep it frozen.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So you find something substantial, you put it in one of the tunnels. We'll come back to that later. We'll get that later.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No, it's outside the skull. Really? Yeah, it was found frozen. And we've had paleontologists.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Probably the woolly mammoth got ripped apart and the brain got frozen into the gravel and the muck. How intact is it? Half of it's there. Wow. And the paleontologists.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't know if I posted one or not. I'll have to look. That's pretty intense. It is. I think I got one. If not, I'll ask you if he's got one.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Those guys were all up in Fairbanks, the ones you're talking about. Brought them out to the boneyard and showed them some of the stuff we got. I'll go out on a limb here. This ain't about cloning woolly mammoths. It's about cloning humans.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think they're already doing the humans. We just don't know about it because of the ethical issues it brings up.
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#2080 - John Reeves
By the time they tell us... All I know is that some of my DNA material is in that permafrost tunnel.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And with instructions, if down the road somebody in the family wants to bring the old man back, I'm your huckleberry.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Get your horse cloned. Yeah. Race horses. Ooh. Dolly, sheep. Yeah. I think Dolly was the first one.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. That looks like a guy I saw just outside the hotel last night.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. And they denied it for – check this out. So it says I – How?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Our site is called Clone Fathers. And we haven't done a lot with it because it's emerging technology, let's say. But can you imagine raising your own clone? Imagine raising a little you? Uh-uh. I'd have to put it in a bag and throw it into the river.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, your folks were telling you don't do that, and you did it anyway. They weren't telling me shit, which is why I did it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, you've done quite well. And congratulations on being the most widely watched podcast on the face of this planet.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No, you're bringing a lot of needed information to the world. You really are.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's it. Kind of what Drew and I are like. We're just two guys in a truck. Yeah. We leave the house in the morning and the phone rings.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I think what resonates with people about our boneyard is that it's real time. This shit's going on real time. Real time. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not going, oh, well, that bone there is only 190 years old, so I better put it away so nobody knows. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then boom. No, it's 190 years. Okay, now we got a real problem. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It is. Yeah. And like I said, we don't sell them. How could you put a price on that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Anyways, that's their collecting techniques, and they sent everything. They weren't supposed to take all that stuff. They were only supposed to take bones of scientific value, and they were supposed to research every one they took. And they were supposed to, under the agreement I had with them, or my company— do a report annually on everything they took.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that's what I took. I was a little aggressive on that because I wanted to make sure they had enough material.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It could have been a whipsaw. Who knows? It could have been a little handheld.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. I mean, they had pens back in the day with feathers. Maybe a good asterisk. They wrote a constitution with that shit.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There you go. We have some that aren't empty of the marrow, but we only sampled one so far. We might have to sample one or two more.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Of the 300,000 we found, that's the only one I ever carbon dated. We've had maybe 10 others carbon dated by other people.
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#2080 - John Reeves
40,000. That's off the most latest one. It probably goes back farther than that. But 50,000 is about as reliable as you can get on carbon-14. And what animal is it that was 40,000 years old? Woolly mammoth. It was mammoth ivory. So it went from 40,000 to our next oldest was 22,000. There's a lot of thousands in between them. What happened then? Yeah. We're the people. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I posted that, Joe, and about half the comments were, Jesus Christ, learn how to take a picture, would you? Yeah, right? The only thing in focus is the bed of your pickup truck. That's true. But that's the problem with iPhones, right?
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#2080 - John Reeves
You see what I did to the one I gave you? A lot of people go, you need to carbon date all your fossils.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And it was a tripartite agreement with the University of Alaska, AMNH, and my company, Fairbanks Exploration. And they didn't do any of it. And when I bought the company, I went to the University Museum, and the curator there, I said, I bet you know why I'm here. He goes, I think I do. I said, I want the bones back. He goes, let's go to New York City. Let's go get them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
okay that 400 bucks a pop and i got 300 000 that's 1.2 million i'm sorry 120 million you want me to spend well also with that maybe it's an old bone that someone carved thousands of years later that's possible it was on top of a tail and by one at the boneyard yeah we have gravel and gravel pits and mines everywhere how could paleontologists with a straight face say that's natural
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. I have my friends at AMNH. They said with witnesses, unfortunately for them, two of the uppity ups there said the reason they don't want to give the bones back to me is they think I'm going to sell them. Now, let's think about that for a second.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I met with the University of Alaska State Senate recently. Drew and I met with them. And we said, we had this deal lined out 22 years ago. They were supposed to return everything in the basement to Alaska. We agreed to it. I funded it. I put money in the account to make that happen. Time goes by, well, we can't because there's asbestos in the ceiling. Blah, blah, blah. It has to be abated.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Okay, abate it. Let me know when you're done. I'll come get them. Well, we got sidetracked 15 years at the Boneyard, 16 years. I said, nah, that's unfinished business. I need to go get those. In the meantime, they said, fuck this guy. Fuck this dirt tramp. We're going to keep him. He's just going to sell him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that was something that I saw online after I came out and I said that We domesticated the woolly mammoth somebody sent me that picture. It's a guy on top of a mammoth. Yeah a guy on top of a mammoth whoa And you know how your kids, you got a golden retriever. You know how your kids take a brush and that dog just lays there and they comb the hair out of it?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Why wouldn't we do that with the woolly mammoths? Well, listen, we know people ride elephants.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, we don't know yet. Does it look like a rat or a shrew? When Dick Maul was up there doing his research for that film, you know, Dick Maul?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm just waiting for you to say what an unfortunate name. Yeah, it is an unfortunate name. He said, keep your eyes out for arctic ground squirrel. And that's been a few years ago. This year, we just found that this year. We've never found one before. And it was still frozen. So that looks like it could be a ground squirrel. Could be.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So we all went to New York City to get them. And they gave me a nice tour downstairs of the basement and showed me the tons and tons they had down there, hundreds and hundreds of mammoth tusks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I've got other pictures of it where you can actually see the ribs. I mean, it's really unbelievable. Well preserved. I gave it to the museum up there. I said, here, you guys, this is out of my league. You guys do the research. And they took it and they're still studying it. But they've had it since July.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's a mammoth tooth that my buddy that carved those pipes.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Wow, that's cool. A couple of faces. By the way, this is a good time for me to give you something that I got from him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I can't believe Joe Rubin put a walrus dick in his mouth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They get wild. Yeah. You never know what happens. Ooh, sick.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In those crates, the wooden crates and everything else.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Anyways, he carved that up. And I said, well, I'm going to give it to Joe. It's a good conversation starter.
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#2080 - John Reeves
How do you remove a raccoon baculum? Is that what I just read? Yeah, how do you remove it? From where? Raccoons. Yeah. Carefully? I guess. Here's a little bag for it. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Pretty cool. Yeah. But we've just been doing what we did when we saw you last time. Just continuing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Nothing. They're supposed to do reports and research on them. They haven't done anything in 100 years.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I told you that, hey, man, I don't have a whole lot new to report on all the new bones we found because we're finding so many different kind of things we've never found before. But when we moved the whole operation down to where we started, bought a new pump, started up that left limit, we're starting to find all kinds of shit. We're just trying to find. That's what's still in the basement.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, when that guy wasn't looking, I grabbed a sample of that. asbestos-containing material where the lights are.
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#2080 - John Reeves
What's funny about that is, so what? It's my stuff. Right. It came off patented ground. I can sell it if I want to. Yeah. But I don't need to and I don't want to. I want to study it. I want to find out what happened. Why did all the animals go extinct? Right. 65% of the megafauna at the same time. Right. Something big going on. Something big.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And Pat Druckenmiller says the secrets are in the bones. They have diagnostic tools now. They can tell what the animal was eating, how many times it had sex, how far it traveled, how long it lived, things that we don't even know what the questions are yet. We just need the puzzle pieces back so it can be studied.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, they don't have the stratigraphic information about where that stuff comes from.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Hypothetically, let's say you found a dude. Right. And hypothetically, let's say the university did come look at it. And hypothetically, they said, okay, you need to go turn yourself in to the troopers. Why? Because those are human remains. So if somebody did find that, they'd have to go to the troopers and fill out a report. So we found a dead body. You'd have to say we found human remains.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Right. And let's say the person taking the report said, let me get a homicide team out here to talk to you. And you hypothetically said that bone is older than everybody in this building, all their ancestors combined and going back 100 generations. Well, we're not interested in that then. Get out of here. Well, get out of here after the report's written. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I have all of that. Yeah. And one of the authors of that report I read last year, uh was trying to get us together so we could make some sense out of this collection and like drew and i were talking earlier it's like a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle i only got 20 pieces i want the whole thing on the table and we'll research all of it because the secrets to the extinction event are in those bones
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#2080 - John Reeves
Hypothetically, let's say it was 10 feet away from a woolly mammoth skull. Hypothetically. Hypothetically.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That would be very interesting. It would be very interesting. That's a really interesting hypothesis.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yep. Woo, wild stuff. We have no idea the range that we find. Yeah. Because we've only sampled a few of them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We don't know how far it goes. We just know it's there. We know that in front of it, downstream of it, is decomposed bedrock. And decomposed bedrock in that area has gold in it, but it's very hard to recover the gold from because it's a clay and you can't wash it very good. But underneath that's another layer of bedrock. Did something come in hot? Something came in hot.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Something caused a lot of water to melt real quick. Sea levels rose 400 feet worldwide. 400 feet. We came from Jacksonville yesterday. The east coast from Jacksonville was 85 miles farther east. That was all dry land. Holy shit. And now it's – worldwide this happened. Yeah. Talk about climate change. You know, climate change is climate change. It's always going to be a climate changing. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And – I'm comfortable with that. You know, we say, oh, we're melting the climate. We're melting the world. We're doing all this shit. Don't worry about the world. The world will take care of itself. You know, we don't have to be assholes. We don't have to pollute it. But we should take some care of it. But now let's go electric vehicles all the time.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, people who are saying that don't realize how much more copper has to be mined, how much more lead has to be mined. You're using fossil fuels for all that. You're not going to get a D-11 dozer on batteries. You're just not. You've got to use fossil fuels.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, nowadays people want to get something done. They always put in the effects on the climate will benefit us from this study. You know, if we do this study, it's good for climate change. I know the guys that are cloning the woolly mammoths are saying, you know, they want to bring them back and put them in Siberia to keep the permafrost from melting and the methane gas from escaping.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But for some reason, I have an idea that as soon as they get one out there on the steps, somebody's going to come along and go, hmm, I'm going to shoot me a woolly mammoth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's never enough. Never enough. No. I mean, you know, we're involved in the fossilized ivory market a little bit because we find broken tusks and we make stuff out of it. And there's very few American craftspeople that use woolly mammoth ivory to manufacture stuff. And I know last time we talked about it, you're going, ah, it might be kind of, but that's what we do. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like I said, this is an adorable little hobby. That's what my wife calls it. But when I go to pay $400 for a carbon-14 sample, that means that's 100 gallons of fuel I didn't buy. So I kind of go like this. I just assume buy the fuel because this little hobby pays for itself. You guys buy this, and I'll buy fuel, put it in the pump, and I'll go find more. And we'll just do that.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We'll make real nice things out of it. And this is a good time to give you this.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. Spoiling me, buddy. My daughter, Laura, Drew's wife out there, Laura Longley. Last time I was here, I told you she's Saks Fifth Avenue. She's beyond Saks Fifth Avenue. She wanted to give you that. Oh.
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#2080 - John Reeves
She didn't know if you wear jewelry or not, but I said I'll give it to him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And she also said, you know, Joe gets all the stuff. I want to give something to his wife. So, this is for your wife. Okay. Elora made that, too.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yep. Wow. Little gold. There's a little tiny gold in the top.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like I said last time, she was Saks Fifth Avenue, but she's putting those guys to shame with this stuff. She finds the ivory. She finds the gold. She makes the stuff.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I bet that other one I sent you hasn't ever seen a match either.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If I was an astronaut, I wouldn't. Even if I didn't go into space, I'd do it. Now, the other thing is... I had a guy call me. He goes, I love that Joe Rogan podcast. I want to make him some pistol grips for a 1911. I said, I don't know if he's got a 1911. He says, well, give me his address and I'll mail it to him. I said, I ain't going to do that. I'm going to see him.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If you want me to give them to him, I'll give them to him. But I'm not giving out his address. He says, okay. So he sent me these. Burkett Customs is the name of his operation.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Only Mammoth. There's a little wrench in there for you to attach it to your 1911.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It all starts with a broken, for us a broken tooth or a broken piece of ivory.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. They're little ivory shards. You give them a piece of sandpaper, and you sand it to a mirror finish. That's what you make stuff like what we make out of. Those are raw shards. Okay.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, you don't have to steal the ball marker from you. But I made you a ball marker. Awesome. Thank you. You're welcome. And Joe, too. And there's a guitar pick in each one of those, too.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like I told you, Drew and I are – We're the dollar general. I told you that last year. But I think we got a meeting with Family Dollar coming up next week. Yeah? No, I'm just bullshitting you. We just enjoy working with it. It's a really cool material to work with. Because you take a piece, Joe, and you look at it and go, what can I make out of that? It might take a week or two to figure it out.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We've had people contact us about that, and I'm going, hey, man, I don't know how to do it. I can't make pool cue stuff, but I have the raw ivory if you need a little bit to do it. You can do it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. No, it's... Something happened. Something big time.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think so. And if I can get the other stuff back... Well, you saw the video. All that stuff probably got dumped in the East River. You know, it's a mammoth-like bum, but it's broken at the end, and we don't want it. It's not museum quality. Throw it away. Right. And so a lot of that, they say in a report, mistakes made in the field. Well, those are your people.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Those are your employees that made those mistakes. Don't blame it on my company, guys.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It means they didn't document where they came from. Oh, I see. And the paleontologists, if they don't know exactly what level of soil, where it came from, they want all that stuff. And if they don't know that stuff, it's got no scientific value, none. And so the stuff they sent back, none of it, maybe a couple pieces, have scientific value. They weren't supposed to take that. And they know it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that's why they don't want to return it, because... It's quite valuable.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You saw that film, 12 tons in one year. Yeah. They did it for 1928 to 1958. That's nuts. That's a lot of tusks. And they talk about hundreds and hundreds of them shipped there. I've seen them. I mean, I saw them. And when I met with the head guy, I said, I want them all back. I want all the bones back. And he said to himself, who is this fucking guy? Get him out of my office.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Next time he shows up, make him stand in the rain. Which we did. It's not like I'm afraid of getting wet or dirty.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know the picture you pulled up with the guy riding the mammoth? Mm-hmm. There's a picture right next to it showing it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, the short-faced bear, that jawbone you just saw. No, those are badass. They're extinct.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And we have those up north. We found one. Really? We found more than one. The American lion. Really? Oh, yeah. The skull that you see sticking out of the muck bench, that's what Dick Moe calls the American lion. Wow. And when we were going through just some bones I had on a pallet, and he goes, oh, do you know what that is? I said, no, it's a lion scapula. I told him, we got a bunch of those.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The skull I have, they say, is the best one of the four that have been found. Wow. And some guy offered me 85 grand for it, and I said, ah, there's the door.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The problem is it scares them. It's a scary sight because we're not talking about dirt and rocks. We're talking about melting ice. You get over next to that muck bench and you look up 60 feet and up there's trees and there's not boulders but big chunks of ice that can fall. And so we're real careful with our guys. Don't go under there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. We had a piece of ice we knew was going to collapse, and we kept working on it to make it happen quicker by undercutting it with a giant.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Right. It collapsed two days after we shut the pumps off. We knew it was going to go. We said, okay, stay out. That was five stories tall, the piece that broke off. Wow. It took us a whole summer to get rid of it with the giant. But within that thing was about half a dozen tusks. Wow. So we just sprayed it and sprayed it and come back and get a tusk. We restore the tusks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If they're not broken, we fix them. We got a bunch of them restored. A bunch.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I think I mentioned to you it goes all the way – it goes downstream where there is a creek that's a mile long. And that creek is going to – if we ever get to it, someday somebody will get to it. Maybe Drew and Allura or my other kids might get to it, my grandkids.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Sometimes we'll hang out. If we see something coming up, we'll aim it. But a lot of times that one's an automatic giant. It'll sweep by itself. You turn the pumps on and it just goes back and forth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Expedition. It's going to take massive amounts of money, and I'm not opposed to having them do that. But generally speaking, what I get is some guy goes, hey, I'd like a man with tusks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But the stuff, the little things on the side, the micros, we spend a lot of time looking for tips, spear tips.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We found one mammoth hip bone with a spear tip still sticking in it. Really? And I've got that one posted, a little video thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Got to be tens of thousands. There's got to be some people in there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Now they're going to tell me that tip went through the fur and the hide and hit a vital organ in a mammoth.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But remember, the steppe had no trees, no wood. It's all grasslands. And so the browsers, you know, the woolly mammoth, the caribou, the steppe bisons, they eat grass. And the moose came in later, the browsers. And there was no wood to fashion a spear out of, really, to speak of. It was all grass. So I'm thinking they kind of might have moved through a little bit, got a little bit farther south.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Maybe they went somewhere else that was on the limits, that was emerging into uplands.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The carnivores had a field day up there because the short-faced bears, the cave lions, they had all kinds of stuff to eat. Cave bears. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They were eating good. And that was for thousands of years they did that. They got along. You know, that balance is there. We have them right now with wolves. You know, you'll have a year with a lot of wolves, and then you'll have –
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, they'll kill everything, all the moose. And you'll have a few years where the wolves disappear because there's nothing to eat. And then the moose come back. And then the wolves come back. I mean, it's just time. Constant cycle. Constant cycle. Yeah. I've got a creek now with two packs of wolves on it that when I invited you to go hunting on.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There won't be a moose left on that creek, I don't think, this summer.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't think the people in Colorado understand what just happened.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I have that video of a little young wolf that's right by our road. You know, we're driving down to look at a cut. And he's just sitting there looking at us like, hey, what's up? Then he's howling, and you can hear another one in the background howling. They show up at the boneyard going, time to eat. Oh, right. Oh, yeah, they smell that rotten flesh. I'm sure, right?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, the stench of that, you can't avoid it. How bad does it smell when you start excavating? It's the kind of stench that you'll never forget, but you'll never smell it anywhere else. So the invite is still open for you to come up there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Do it. Yeah. But here's the other caveat to that. We built our new building. We put two 1885 Brunswick pool tables in there. Got them restored. I saw. And I told Drew, I said, you're welcome to play on it, but I ain't playing until Joe Rogan plays on it with me. And as soon as you cue it up and rack it, I'm going to run out the door and leave. Okay. I'm not a very good pool player.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I know what it takes. I know you're a good pool player.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We're trying to figure out a way to do it while we don't have to be there. Put the auto giant up there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In one day. A whole woolly mammoth. And a half. And a half. And we got the other half the next day.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The museum I saw in the Yukon, they use a metal frame. And they attach it somehow to that. But I've seen these woolly mammoth replicas that they have of the skeletons. And you see the tusks going out. And I'm looking. And there's nothing supporting those tusks. Those are made out of foam. You can't hold a 250-pound tusk in a skull without it just breaking.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You've got to have something underneath it to support it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. We have all the bones. We have whole herds of those things. Wow. And just a matter of that thing that we invented called time. Yeah. My time is better spent collecting it than it is trying to put it together.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I told you last time that that guy Chuck says there's 10,000 of those dead animals on my property.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. He's the carver. And he's dealt more woolly mammoth bones and tusks than anybody I know. Probably in the world.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And all at once might have spent 500 years. Right. Might have been 1,000 years. Right. But faster than they could, you know, adapt to it. Yeah. So. And, you know, all the silt and all the shit that covers the ground there, that's left over from the melting glaciers. The glaciers melted and the wind came in and blew all that stuff, deposited itself on the gravels and the.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's why in gold mining you've got to strip that shit off to get down to the gravel and the bedrock. That's all covering it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that was told to me by one of the guys that wrote that report. That I read on your show.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But I think there's another one in there earlier. I bet. By about 20,000 years maybe.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, like I told you last time, I think it's all secondary deposition from water because there's such a wide spectrum of them and very few mummified remains, although we found some this summer. And I think I told you last year that the oldest sample we took was 22,000 years old. And some people, you know, I have that Ice Age Fossil Works, buy little shards of ivory.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I've heard you talk about the pyramids and the engineering that went into it. How do you move a block like that 500 miles?
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#2080 - John Reeves
So well intricately cut. You can't even put a razor blade between the fits. Yeah, amazing. You can't do that now.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I got to think Elon Musk has come back. He might have been there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We can't even tell what happened in the case of that spitzer there, what happened 200 years ago. Right. Who were those folks? Who the fuck did that? Right. And why? Why?
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I told the one guy, I said, why don't you carbon date it if you want to know the story. So he sent it off to a lab and had it carbon dated, 40,000 years old. Wow. So there might be enough in there for two dryness events.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Nobody thinks nothing about nothing because Fairbanks wasn't there. Fairbanks wasn't discovered until 1902. So they have no idea. Eight or 12% of the carbon dating, you know, they say that. They spread out a long timeline. 12%, I think, came in around 1600, late 1600s for that. Then it's under the 1700s, there's more than the early 1800s.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then pretty soon they have a, okay, 95% certainty that it's 190 years old or something like that. But we can't even tell why, who, what, where, when. Right. 200 years ago. Give me 2,000. Well, we got Jesus over there with the shroud. Somebody 500 years ago said, I'm going to make some money on this. I'm going to get me some tourism business.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Then go 20,000 years before that. Might as well really get going here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Look at Austin. Tell me that's not going to happen here in 1,500 years. Right. Or any city in the country.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, it's – but we're only here for like maybe 100 if we're lucky.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm thinking 100 and you may not be that lucky. Maybe 80 is better.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, if I could tell, Drew. Drew, I'm going to run it over the 966. I'm going to scamper on up the ladder, and then I'm going to run that son of a bitch. But we translate it into that, Drew, I'm going to shuffle over to that machine over there. Can you lift me up with the loader to get inside it?
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, it's just I had one shoulder out last year. I couldn't pull myself up a ladder. And I go, rotator cuff gone. Got to get you some stem cells. I just need a new me.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They took, you got to remember there's 200 nozzles running. They took them all. They took hundreds and hundreds of thousands of bones to New York City. Hundreds of thousands. I've only got a couple hundred thousand. They took millions. And they got them all. They got them, every one of them. And the guy that was their collector, he was just a field hand on the Alaska Railroad.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they said, hey, you want to collect bones for us? He said, sure.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So he ended up, when it was all said and done, with an honorary doctorate from the University of Alaska, who was in on it, by the way, on this tripartite agreement, and probably influenced by, you know, Charles Frick, the son of the industrialists that used to shoot his laborers because they wanted more money in the steel industry. Yeah, Henry Frick was a prick.
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#2080 - John Reeves
He had a gang of gunmen come in when they were striking to make better wages. And yet he was killing them. This is in our steel industry.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It was on the Men Who Built America. It was on that show. Ah. He was the old man, so it was back when the steel industry was just getting going with Carnegie and those guys. Childs was his kid.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Wow. That's what he did, too. Oh, man. And the guy, so the guy that his kid, Childs, is the one that was head of AMNH. And he hired this guy Geist to go out and collect fossils in Alaska, and he just didn't. He just didn't limit himself to here. He went out to the West Coast.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Otto Geist went out to Nome and St. Lawrence Islands, dig up babies out of the permafrost because they wouldn't decompose. He put them in pickle jars, sent them back to Henry or Charles Frick and AMNH. I've seen these jars of pickled babies. And now they're being repatriated. And 60 Minutes just had a big thing on Cambodia and all the things they stole out of there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
AMNH and Smithsonian and all those guys are in on it. They just don't want to return them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That was a good segment on 60 Minutes. I quit kind of watching them a long time ago, but this kind of piqued my interest because it's all about what they're doing. They're doing it right now. It's not like this has just happened in the past. These guys are like real-life Indiana Jones. Let's go out and plunder and bring it back home. Some of it gets to the museum. Some of it goes home.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I've heard people that say they've been in Autoguide's house in Europe. He's got all kinds of stuff in his house that came out of our boneyard area. Really? Out of Fairbanks. Yeah, skulls, short-faced bears, saber-toothed. Anyways, he ended up with a doctorate and the streets named after him up in Fairbanks. You find a guy that's willing to do anything for anything. That's what they found.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They found him. And Charles Frick had no problem. Look at his dad was a prick. That's dad.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So you ask what I want to do. I want to make things right, at least on the bones that came out of Fairbanks. I want the proof that men and animals lived together. It's there. Whether they haven't studied those bones in 100 years, I don't know.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I've posted that picture before of the burnt bedrock and the gravel above it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If they do, they don't talk about it. Well, of course, they're not talking to me. Right. They might talk to our legislature, though.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, there's a whole bunch of spear points they found out in Esther, which is one of my areas. This disappeared between Esther, Alaska, and New York City. Just disappeared for 15 fucking years. They found them in North Dakota because some guy was trying to track them down. And they got some of them back. But I've asked for reports on those. They haven't done any. Wait a minute.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You guys were supposed to report on everything you took. You haven't done any of it. And that's my leg that I'm standing on. I could litigate this if I want to. I'm not afraid of that. But I wanted this to be a good story when I started off. We're bringing the bones back. We're going to make things right. We're going to study it. We're going to solve some issues.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We're going to solve some historical questions. Let's all get together and do it the right way. Let's do the right thing for once. No. Do you have the signed contract with notarized copies from 1928? That's not how business worked back then. You had the Boston men who financed it through the United States Smelting and Refining Mining Company. Went to AM&H. AM&H.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, we'd love to get those bones. We'll go get them. But here's what you got to do. They didn't do it. So I'm saying give them back. That's why the University of Alaska went with me to New York City and said, we want them back. But they know. They're in the business of fucking longevity, Jew. They know how long people live. This outlasts us some, bitch. We're an institution. Right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And the problem with this deposit, now, I've got to be careful what I say after last time.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We don't ever die. Right. People come in. They raise hell. Then they go away. Well, that's probably true in my case. But Jew out there, go ahead and deal with him. He plays hardball.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Exactly. People want, oh, send me these bones so I can carbon date them for you. Carbon date them up here. Get your ass in Alaska and set up a research. I already built it for you, for Christ's sake. I spent a million dollars doing it. It's done. I built it last year. I'm anticipating they're all coming back. I might not know how it's going to go, but I know how this is going to end.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We're going to get the bones back in Alaska. So just stop doing this bullshit. Let's just do the right thing here, boys.
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#2080 - John Reeves
When I was here with you last time. Did you get crazy? What did you say? I'm afraid I bullshitted you a little bit.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The problem is in organizations like that, the younger scientists don't want to ruffle feathers because that's a career ender for those guys. Oh, he raised hell with the uppity ups at Smithsonian or whatever museum. Stay away from this guy. And they all want to be successful in their careers, and I get it. Right. But maybe somebody out there goes, you know what?
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#2080 - John Reeves
And there's a few of them out there. I've talked to a few of them. They can't go public. Right. And I don't blame them. They've got to put beans on the table, too. Right. But some of the plunderings that have gone on, Mongolia, that area, that's been plundered for their cultural artifacts.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And the people that know about it are at the Museum of Natural History, and they can't say anything about it because they don't want to lose their job.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because when I got back to Fairbanks, my surveyor comes up to me. His name's Albert. He says, you got a lot of nerve bullshitting them like that. I said, what are you talking about? He said, you told him the site that you dug all these up is five acres. I said, yeah. He goes, it's 2.1 acres. Wow. Okay, I'm going to tell him I'm sorry. I apologize.
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#2080 - John Reeves
What's the coin of the realm? It's gold, right? Yeah. It's been the coin of the realm since the beginning of time. What's the oldest profession?
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's right. You got the prostitution, you got the gold, and you got people that are willing to die for one or both of those things. And so it's been the basis of conflict forever. You can melt all the gold down that's ever been mined on the planet. It's still here. It hasn't gone anywhere. You can't get rid of gold. You can't vaporize it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You can melt it, but it would fit in an Olympic-sized pool. That'd be all of it that's ever been mined.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. And if you've been watching the price of gold in the last year, it's up 12% since you and I met last time. And it'll probably keep going because people are, they buy it to hedge against inflation. You know, Costco started selling gold bars. Really? Costco. You can buy gold bars from Costco? Gold bars from Costco. And they sell out as soon as they put them up for sale.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They sold $100 million worth of them in the first quarter.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't know. You don't know? I think Dirty Water Don and those guys found three so far.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Dudes like this in the USA, man. You think so? Oh. Well, this guy. Yeah, at least one.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That hammer's for splitting a skull open. I'm sure. It's not for making a house. 2,000 human bones.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, there was just a story out recently where they have like 12,000 human bones they got to return to someplace.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think there's a bigger system of water in play that we don't really understand yet. When we started going up the gulch, it's what it is, the gulch. And it's about... Not the way I can describe it. It sure is narrow, but it sure is long. So this year we decided, let's go back to the beginning. And we moved the pump and everything back down to where we started 15, 16 years ago.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, the bone rush you started. You started it. No, you started it. I couldn't do it without you. Hey, you know what? We're tied inextricably at the hip about this. I've had ample opportunity to be interviewed. I don't do it. I'm here with the greatest communicator on the face of the planet. And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but I got an MS and BS. So you put me in here with you.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If I don't know it, I'll make some shit up. But for the most part, I'm not kidding. Your ability to communicate is letting people throughout. your listening world, that there's something wrong here. These people need to step up. After our broadcast, after our podcast last time, within two days, AMNH put out a press release denying this ever happened.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that seems silly if you've actually visited the bones themselves. Yeah, they denied the existence of that report that I read from. So I posted that cover today in case Jamie wanted to look at it. That report was written, co-written, by one of their own employees at AM&H. Now, come on, boys. You can bullshit everybody. You can't bullshit everybody.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, look at that. That says early man. Robert L. Evander. So let's read. Yeah. They wrote the report I read.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Thinking, okay, let's see how wide this is. As soon as we started doing it, we started finding more tusks, more animal parts, more of everything. And we found those crazy sawed bones.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because I think it gets back to the whack-a-mole game. You know, some guy steps up and goes, I'll do it. And they go, well, you're not going to have work in the industry anymore. Right. Yeah, we're going to blackball you. They're afraid to. It goes against the grain. They don't want to stick up for some dirt tramp in Alaska saying, come on, let's study this stuff.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I already built a building for you. I did it already. That is what's really crazy.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You saw the pictures of it. Yeah. I got all the receipts in there. I mean, I got everything they need. Just bring the bones back and I'll build another building just like it. You know, What do you want me to do? People go, well, have you carbon dated all your? No, it's not my job. Well, have you done this and have you done that? What are you asking me for? Why don't you call AMNH and ask them?
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#2080 - John Reeves
They're the ones that are supposed to do this shit, not me. I don't have the skill set. I'm not a paleontologist. I'm just a simple fucking boner making my way through life. Well, super boner, actually, Joe.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You're going to be a boner. I need to be. You need to come up, bring your friends with you. Yeah. We'll go out there and have a boner party.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It'll put you on the manual giant. It'll work out there. Is it hard to hold on to? Not really. No? You can make it look like it is. You know, just move it around a little bit. Mm-hmm. My kids do it. I mean, my kids are a great support. My wife. We're all in on this.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I'm glad you did. And I told you last time it took me three years of saying I only talked to Joe Rogan about it. knowing that's not ever going to happen because I didn't want to talk to nobody about it. But when we talked about it, I got to tell you that my Instagram blew up and went from like 40-something thousand people following my page. I think it's at 370,000 now.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We'll see what happens by this time next year when you come back again. Sweet Jesus, I might build a political base. I might have enough people that can contact their legislators.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You're not going to believe this because we got all excited when we found them. Yeah. Plus or minus 200 years. They're 190 years.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they're – They're not doing themselves a service doing this. This is a big disservice. And did you just invite me back for next year? Yes. Let's do it again.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There is a mystery, and it's being played out. Not only on my Instagram page, where it's the only place, but with you. If you want to know about it, you've got to come here. You've got to listen to the Joe Rogan experience. Because I ain't talking to the so-called mainstream media.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm not interested in being a story one night by some guy sitting in a studio that's never even gotten dirt under his fingernails. You come out here, you walk around in this shit, motherfucker, and you listen and you smell what we're dealing with here. This is the Ice Age, baby. We live in the Ice Age. People say, think outside the box. We live outside that sumbitch.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If you're in the Ice Age all day, it changes you. Maybe it makes you fucking crazy. I don't know. I think you might have been a little crazy to start with.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I really do. Either that or the universe says we need some prick out there. Yeah, that's our guy.
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#2080 - John Reeves
This is a story about how these were found. I got a call one day. I was out there at the Boneyard. My daughters have a tourist business around the corner a little bit called Gold Daughters. And Elora called me up and goes, Dad, there's a state trooper over here wanting to talk to you. And I look around my truck to see what I got in it. I said, okay, I'll be right over. I go over.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, this is, like I said, this is my cause. Last year I said, okay, everybody, it takes a family 21 seconds to take a leak. That was a great contribution to mankind's knowledge because I got a lot of people going, you're right.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And somebody else said, hey, I pissed for 55 seconds. If guys would drink beer, I guarantee you they could. But see, I like to think that people can still think. So I also like to think that there's a certain degree of what you do goes into the presentation of what you do. It's in the presentation. Can I give you an example? Sure. Three guys go fishing in Valdez. They leave Fairbanks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So each guy pulls out $10 out of his wallet and gives it to him. Gives him the key, and they go to their room. The night clerk comes in a little bit later, the night manager. He says, hey, boss, we rented that last room out. He says, all right, what did you get for it? He goes, $30. He goes, you overcharged them by $5.
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#2080 - John Reeves
He kept two bucks, right? Right. 27 plus two is 29. Where the fuck did that other dollar go? I don't know.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's the presentation. Where did it go? They paid 30. They got a dollar back and the clerk kept two. Where I'm going is it's the presentation. It's the story. It's the way you tell it. 29 bucks is not 30 bucks. They spent 30 when they walked in.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Where I'm going with it is I'm throwing this out there for the people that listen to this show going, that don't make sense. Right. It doesn't make sense, Joe. They go, what the fuck? Maybe you're thinking that right now. What the fuck? Where'd that dollar go?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm not going anywhere. I'm talking about the presentation. I understand. You know, and sometimes things get lost in the presentation. Mm-hmm. You know, AMNH can say, well, we did this, we did that, we did the other thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Nothing happened. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where that other dollar went.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No, it's not. And like I said, it's the— It's the way it's laid out. I'm laying it out as clearly as I can to these guys. You have the opportunity to do the right thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And we had some stuff going on at the time. I didn't think there was any reports filed any place. But I go over there and introduce myself to this guy, and his name is Eric Spitzer. He's the head state trooper in Fairbanks. He says, I was just out in the neighborhood. I wanted to come by and introduce myself. I saw you on Joe Rogan's podcast. I love fossils. I love what this is all about.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We have 20 pieces of the puzzle. It's the thousand pieces I want. I won't get them all because I know a bunch of them were stolen.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, and when I got a hold of you and I said, I don't know if I have anything, you know, I was trying to give you an out, like, just in case he's got nothing for me. I was trying to manage expectations is what I was trying to do. I just, a lot of people liked my podcast with you last time.