Jenna Fischer
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Office Ladies
Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Jenna, tell them who you play. OK, I'm playing Jodi. She's the mother of Tommy, who's played by Mason Tames. And she's a widowed mom who's doing her best to get by and support her family. She's a waitress. She has kind of like a rock and roll past. And she's just trying to do the right thing by her kids. Right.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Your Aunt Wilma.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Well, it is such a great, fun part. You are going to shine. I can't wait for people to see you in this. And can I spoiler alert? Angela, you have been growing out your roots for this role. That is how committed you are. I am. You have not been coloring your hair because... For a month, y'all. Look at me.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Yeah. I like this choice. Yeah. Well, we had a big conversation. Does my character have a tattoo? Yeah. Because of her past. Oh. And I said, she definitely has a tattoo. I think the question is, is her tattoo in a place you can see it? Oh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Because it could be somewhere that you wouldn't see while she's just at home having coffee. What'd you decide?
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
She has several in places that you can see and not see. Oh. So there you go. That's what we went with. OK. All right. So we're sharing this with you because we are off this week. We are shooting the movie. We're in Oklahoma. We are. So today we wanted to bring you something that truly helped both of us so much as we kicked off 2025.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Yeah. So for some context, as 2024 was wrapping up, Ange and I sat down and we talked about what do we want for the new year for office ladies? You know, this is that time of year where you reflect. You reflect.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Because, you know, Billy Joe starred in Lee's movie, Ordinary World. That's right. And they stayed friends all these years. His family is very good friends with our family. You know... That this delights me. I know. You're very tickled by it. I am. And so the two of them came up with this story. And then Lee wrote the script. He's now directing it. Here's what it's about.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And then? On January 1st, this episode of Kendra's dropped and I listened to it and I immediately texted Ange about it. I was like, this is what we're doing. Angela, I need you to hear Kendra's approach to this conversation that we had already started, but she frames it in such a delicious way.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And lady, I loved that. I loved coming from a place of positivity rather than negativity. Yeah. And now our office ladies team keeps using this phrase. What's working? What is working? Yes, this has totally crept into our conversations during our team meetings. And using this, we have created new strategies to manage our workload. We've created new routines. It has been great.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Hello. Hi there. Okay. We have some really exciting news to share. We do. Jenna, tell them. All right. My husband, Lee Kirk, is directing a movie called New Year's Rev. And me and Angela both have parts in it. We do. I'm so excited. Tell them what it's about. Okay. Well, this is a story that he wrote with Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Yes. So I have to eat a pretty specific diet because of the cancer medicines that I'm taking. I have to eat like high protein, lots of fruits and vegetables, high fiber, low sugar. In fact, if I don't eat this diet, sometimes I don't feel well. Like it has a direct impact on how I feel in the day. And I was getting really overwhelmed with meal prep.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
Like mentally, like mentally figuring out how every meal was going to fit into this very specific box was exhausting. But I did not have the luxury of being lazy about this. Right. I had to do it. So I used her philosophy. I asked myself to look at each meal from the framework of what was already working. Because in the moment, it felt like nothing was working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
But actually, when I looked at it, my breakfast is working. It's easy. I eat the same thing every day. It's great. My dinners were working because I was already planning and prepping family meals that pretty much met my criteria. So really, the only thing that wasn't working was my lunch.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And Kendra suggests that you ask yourself if you can apply what is working about one routine to your routine that is not working. So when I dug deeper, I was like, well, why is breakfast working? And it's pretty much because I eat the same thing. And I don't care. I don't care that I eat the same breakfast. So I tried to apply that to my lunches.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
I picked three lunches that I could prepare easily, quickly, and that I could make in batches of like three to four days worth. So my three lunches now are soup, chili, or tuna salad. Done. They have all the stuff in them that I'm supposed to eat. And now I'm not making a new lunch every single day. And you're not stressed about it. No, and it's working. Now all three of my meals are working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
It's about three high school kids who get pranked into believing that their punk band was picked to open for Green Day on New Year's Eve in Hollywood. Yes. And so they take this crazy road trip across the country. Yes. All the while believing that when they eventually get to L.A., they're opening for Green Day. And of course, a bunch of crazy stuff happens on the road.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And just know we are having a good time in Oklahoma. We can't wait to tell you about it. Exactly. But now here is the Lazy Genius episode. It's a new year. Let's name what's working.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And some of the stuff that happens on the road is based on stuff that actually happened to Green Day during their years of living in a tour van. The movie stars Mason Tames and McKenna Grace, along with a whole bunch of other folks like me and Angela. It also stars Fred Armisen, Sean Gunn, and Bobby Lee. And the movie features a ton of Green Day music and ends with a Green Day concert.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
You know, you often hear about like the red flags to look for in a relationship. But what if, what if we like changed that focus and started making a list of the green flags that we were looking for in friends and partners? You know, like more like instead of framing it, here's what I'm avoiding, be like, here's what I want to run toward, right? Okay.
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
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Office Ladies Announcement & Lazy Genius’ It’s a New Year… Let’s Name What’s Working
And unfortunately, me and Angela don't have any scenes together, but we both have such fun roles. Yeah. So, you know, we got to do this table read.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
What inspired that? Had you been in a like a college production or what?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Wow. And so where do you go from there? Yeah, you grew up in Modesto, by the way.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
We got a fan question about that. We asked people to write in and someone actually said, Megan G from Albany said, my husband and I lived in Modesto, California. What does Timothy remember about growing up there? Folks are really proud of him out there.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
My favorite bread maker is in Modesto, Bonnie O'Hara. She has a home bakery, fresh breads and cookies and stuff.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I don't know. Bonnie was your neighbor? What's her? Bonnie O'Hara. And do we need a moment to Google?
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Okay. She wrote a cookbook. She's your favorite? Yeah. Yeah. Bread making for beginners. And I bought her cookbook. I started making bread thanks to her, but she has got a whole business in her... Like in her little home kitchen and she sells bread subscriptions.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
My starter, my sourdough starter's name was Goldie.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I didn't know your starter had a name. Yes, its name was Goldie.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Because you have to feed it every day. And I said, it's like taking care of a goldfish. So I named it Goldie. How did you know that?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I froze. I stopped talking. As soon as you guys started saying dingles, I haven't said a word.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
It's Amit R. from Edmonton, Alberta, who wants to know, on The Office, what was hardest to get used to, the improvising in scenes or learning to see the camera as a separate character? Take us back.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Hello there. Hi. We have a really, really fun episode today. I feel like we say that every week, but oh my gosh, if you don't leave with a smile on your face after you listen to this next hour. I don't know what's wrong with you.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
So you're in two episodes and then you got deleted from a third. But you'll probably be added back.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yeah. So do you still have it that says hottest in the office?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
And you have three children. I have three children. Have only two awarded you this award?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
And that's why, do you remember our storyline? It's coming back to me now. So we had gone on a couple of dates when Jim was away. Two dates. Two dates. And it was supposed to be a third, but then you didn't call me back. But you try to tell Jim that it was that I didn't call you back. And so I say, no, no, no. And then we will not leave you alone.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I do. I love my job. I feel so fortunate that I love my job too, Ange. Oh, yeah. My parents loved their jobs. My mom was a teacher. My dad was a plastics engineer. They loved what they did for a living. And they always told me, we just hope that you get to have a career that you also love.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
We're like, he has this great scene where he's like, man, why didn't you call her back? And you're like, for real? You want to know why I didn't call your wife back for a date like five years ago? And you eventually admit that it's because you thought I was a little dorky.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I'm in a full Halloween costume. Yes. And so I am... Like, I'm being pretty dorky.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I love that storyline so much. I want to ask you about The Sting. That's the first episode where you show up and you're this salesman and Michael's going to try to figure out why are you so good? You're this rival salesperson. Yeah. And so they set up that fake office. Yeah. And then Meredith is an Oscar come in. Meredith. Wait, her name is something Van Helsing. Oh, yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
It's been, my God, how long ago now? I mean, we probably shot that in 2010. Yeah. I mean, 15 years ago.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I can go a lot of places. I really fly under the radar. And I always have. I don't know if it's like some sort of like special gift or something. I don't know. But I... Like I was once rear ended by the paparazzi who were chasing Christina Ricci and I had to get out of my car and like exchange information with them and they never took my photo. Yeah.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Like that's that's like how invisible I am to that amazing world.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
And I do. What a gift, right? They supported me in my pursuit as an actress because they knew, well, that's the thing she loves. That's what makes her heart happy. Yeah. My sister's a teacher. It makes her heart happy. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing when that can happen. Yeah. All right.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I get recognized a ton at airports. Southwest Terminal in Austin. It's a great town. She'll get recognized. I won't.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
It's in the budget. We could go talk to people about bread in Austin.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
You're on our spinoff show, Office Ladies on the Road. Yeah, Office Ladies on the Road. Come on.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
We're taking some time. Yeah, we're going to think tank it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
In the episode Costume Contest, Michael says, you remind him of someone, and Kelly says, is it Josh Duhamel? Fan question from Keela V in Texas. Do you often get confused for Josh Duhamel? Follow up, I heard he was on your Christmas card once.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Well, listen, you all know that there are still so many people who were on The Office that we have not talked to, that we have wanted to have on the podcast. And today we get to cross one of those names off our list.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yeah, exactly. No, one time at a party, Amy and I were both at the party. And the guy I was with at the time, he came up to me and he's like, oh, my God, I'm so embarrassed. I just went up and I put my arm around Amy Adams. I thought it was you. I thought it was you. And I was like, nope, I'm over here. And then she came up and she was like, I met your date. It was so great to meet him. So, yeah.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
So we've talked about it a little bit, but. I don't. It's like I kind of see it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
You should play her short sister. Right. In something. Yeah. I want to ask you a little bit about Justified. Yes. I have only just started watching the series, but I am loving it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
So you're like, oh, I like the fit of these. I'm going to wear these all. Right. These are good boots. But nothing sentimental.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I think he is in that world. He's sort of a criminal, but also sort of not. He's questionable. I feel like a marshal would be needed to track him in some way. Yep.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yeah, because your time on The Office was after Deadwood but before Justified.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yeah. As a Deadwood fan, which I was, that was a thing that we did on the show a lot. We had a lot of folks who had been on The Sting. Wait, is that the name of the show? No. The Wire.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yes, the character of Danny Cordray was in two episodes that aired in the original broadcast, The Sting and Costume Contest. And, Angela, you bring up in our interview that he was also in a deleted scene for Michael's Last Dundies. Yep. Now, I love the setup to his character.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
This is that time of year when we set new rituals, new goals for ourselves. Maybe they're fitness goals. I mean, that's a pretty common one. Yeah.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
In the sting, Jim and Dwight are on a sales call to their client meeting at Frame Select, and they see rival salesperson Danny Cordray sitting in the lobby. I thought we should hear it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Timothy, we shared with our listeners that you and I recently connected at our mutual friend's birthday party.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
We got a fan question from Kim P in Chicago who said, the sexiest thing about you is your long relationship with your wife. Would you be willing to tell us your meet cute?
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
No, you are not. You are not. Okay. I have to assume that when you met her, you knew immediately that you needed to marry this person. She is one of the most phenomenal human beings I have ever met. One of the strongest, best first impressions a human has ever made on me. Your wife is like, she is, Alexis is like a gem of a human being.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
That she doesn't like really engage in the whole like Hollywood thing.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Oh, thank you. Yeah. The last thing we do on this show is season five of Office Ladies. The last thing we do on the show are our call sheet questions. These are questions that we would ask members of our cast and crew, and then we would put their little answers on the back of the call sheet. Yeah, we'd put their answers on the back of our call sheets.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Okay. First question is, what was your first job? It could be your first paid acting job or maybe your first job in general.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Nothing happened. We went on a couple of dates. He never called me again.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
That's fizzling. I mean, someone has to start the fizzle.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
All right. I've got the next one. What do you like to do on the weekends?
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
No, I liked him. For a couple of days. Four years ago. You know I have a kid with you, right? I just love this. There's so much information and history packed into these little couple of scenes.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
No, no, it's not natural. I have a new thing that I just implemented with my kids. I want to get your take on it. All right.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
So I heard this on a podcast. Which when I told my kids that, they were like, oh, mom heard a podcast.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Mom and her ideas. So the thought behind it is rather than make them a chore list that they have to do, you teach them how to notice what needs to be done and do it. Because the mental labor of making the list and-
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
saying what has to be done like that's half the chore so what you're wanting to do is like raise people who can see with their own eyes what needs to be done so i have this thing where this is a podcast called pipe dreams pipe dreams for parents pipe dream for parents next on the office ladies network there's a pipe dreams for parents who don't live practically
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
For 15 minutes, they have to walk around and see what needs to be done and do it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
You know? Yeah. I mean, I cleaned the toilets. I was bathrooms. That was my job in my house growing up.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I think in theory this is a really good thing, though. It's amazing. All right, our final question. Then we're going to let you go.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I mean, how fun. He is so funny. I know. And Angie, you actually ended up going to his tennis charity event. I did.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Is that what they call it? Super good, medium good, not so good? Is that how they come across? That is not how they did.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Well, Angela, another follow-up that we should give is that Timothy did go and see Rain's production, the closing night of Waiting for Godot, and loved it. Loved it. Took his mom. Texted us to update us, which I thought was so nice. Hey, ladies, by the way, we loved it. Loved the play. Well, a big thank you to Timothy for coming in the studio to talk with us. We hope you enjoyed this episode.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
And thank you to everyone who sent in questions. We just love hearing from you. Have a great week.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
She does. And listen, we've shared this before, but the character named Danny Cordray was inspired by our very own Randy Cordray. And I just love that his name made it on the show. I know.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yes, starting with Ashley S. from Kaysville, Utah, who wrote in to say, I find it funny that Michael has a talking head referencing the killer in Scream 2. One of the murderers is Timothy Oliphant. That murderer is now in the office. Ashley, this cracked me up. You know I'm a horror movie fan. You know I know Scream 2.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I held myself back from asking Timothy about Scream 2 in our interview because I didn't want to geek out too much. Let's hear this clip of Michael talking about Scream 2.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Well, Scream 2 was early in Timothy's career. I mean, he is playing a college student. He is so good in it. He is such a great villain. Like, he always often is playing kind of like the nicer guy. The hero guy. But always with a little darkness. It's interesting. We talked to him about it. Good catch, Ashley. I loved it.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
It's so good. I have not gotten to Dave Koechner yet. I haven't either. I just started watching it too. Well, everyone, thank you so much for writing in. We used a lot of your questions in our interview with Timothy as well.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yes. We were at a mutual friend's birthday party, and I asked him if he would come on the podcast. He was so lovely. He said, of course. We did this interview right before our holiday break, and it was just such a great way to end the year.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
So let's take a short break, and when we come back, our interview with Timothy Oliphant. It's the sweetest time of year. That's right, Valentine's Day is approaching and Macy's has the best of the best gifts for your loved ones. This Valentine's Day, let Macy's be your guide to gifting. I love shopping on macys.com. They really, really do have everything and their gift guide is amazing.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Oh my gosh, Angela, this is a harrowing statistic. Every 26 seconds, a burglary takes place, according to FBI data?
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
That's right. A little razzle dazzle. I do feel a little show busy when I come here because I'm coming into the heart of Hollywood. You know, when I first moved to L.A., I lived in West Hollywood.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
And I went by all this stuff all the time. And I moved out. I'm not in West Hollywood anymore.
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An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Yeah. Yeah. All right, I'm jumping in. Okay, jump in.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
Okay, here we go. So listen, we usually start with the same question. We usually ask people, how did you get- They offered it to me. Your job in the office, you already know.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Timothy Olyphant
I love it. Well, I was actually going to start with another question, which was how'd you get your start in showbiz? Like when in your life did you realize that you wanted to be an actor?
Office Ladies
The Edge, Pt 2
No, we do not. But lady, Charles doesn't care about Bob's snarky attitude. And what comes next is my next piece of Charles wisdom. And it is maybe my favorite Charles speech in the whole movie. I have a clip. Here it is.
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The Edge, Pt 2
That's right, folks. That's right. Wisdom moment number three, what one man can do, another can do. We got a letter from Alexis B. in Winnipeg who said, Hi, office ladies. The reason I wrote today is that I want to send a special thank you to you, Jenna. I have never seen the edge, and I'm so sorry. I likely never will. It sounds too scary, but...
Office Ladies
The Edge, Pt 2
Jenna's quoting of the film has been playing in my head this last while, helping me to get through some more challenging times, reminding myself that what one man can do, another can do, has brought light at the end of the tunnel, even if I don't know what the whole story is with the bear.
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The Edge, Pt 2
As always, thank you both very much for your vulnerability, motivation, laughter, and your beautiful friendship. Looking forward to all your future episodes and the ones I will undoubtedly re-listen to along the way. Well, Alexis, I played this audio clip just for you so that you could hear it. You don't have to watch the whole movie, Alexis.
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The Edge, Pt 2
That's right. We were breaking it down for you. But what one man can do, another can do. Sam, you said you woke up this morning quoting it.
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Well, this is why humans don't do well during bear attacks because we can't think ourselves out of the situation. You can't process what's happening. Yeah. The injury patterns for bear attacks include blows to the face, head, chest, neck, and upper extremities, most likely. And even if you do survive the attack, your injuries can be anything from like major lacerations to fractures.
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That is some serious suspense. Very suspenseful. That is a lot of wind, lady. And I also thought that was a really nice example of the score. Remember, Roger Ebert pointed out the amazing musical score by Jerry Goldsmith. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Combo wind and music.
Office Ladies
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Comes right at them. And they try to lure the bear to this like X that they've marked on the ground with some twigs because they've made somehow. How did they make all this stuff? A big like something with like these wooden spears coming out of it.
Office Ladies
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They certainly did. And unfortunately, when they let the big medieval thingy, spiky thing down, it hits a tree first, which sort of breaks the momentum. And then it hits the bear. And it's like, oh, my gosh, it's like nothing to the bear. The bear's like.
Office Ladies
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Growling in their faces and all they have are like these self-whittled wooden branches with a little pointy thing on the end. They end up running away. Again, this is another long pursuit, like through woods, down an embankment, into some water.
Office Ladies
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You know, like when the bear is just like pouncing on your chest, it's just like crushing your rib cage to like internal organ damage. These are all things that are more likely to kill you than the lacerations actually. Yeah. The National Park Service said that the most important thing to do if you encounter an approaching bear is to stand your ground. Do not run.
Office Ladies
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They get down to their little waterfront. And to his credit, when Charles is in peril with the bear, Bob does step up and antagonize the bear. And then the bear turns on Bob and swipes him and gets him. Since I'm flying, I mean, the bear knocked them both. Like, pew, pew. Yeah. But Charles runs and gets a spear.
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And he does this amazing moment where he sort of braces the back of the spear into some rocks. To really anchor it. Yes. And then his option is he has to let the bear charge him and, like, fall on him. Impale himself. And he does. The bear impales himself completely. And then collapses dead on top of Charles.
Office Ladies
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Well, he's not. They did it. They killed this bear. And we're going to cut to them cooking the bear meat over a fire.
Office Ladies
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I'm sorry. Again, his negative review is another positive review. Okay, fine. But two stars, whatever. Again, what does it take, James? What does it take?
Office Ladies
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Ba-bump-choo! Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. On this night, they don't whittle anything, but they do...
Office Ladies
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Listen, it's possible that they did camp here for a period of time. It's not clear. It's not clear.
Office Ladies
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Yeah, they have a sort of renewed confidence. They have eaten. This thing is not stalking them anymore. And now they've made a compass out of Charles's pocket watch. Yeah. And this is when Charles says, you know what, when this is over, when we get home, I'm going to start my life over again.
Office Ladies
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Well, I don't disagree. And on that note, let's take a break. And when we come back, we will get to the final act of the movie. All right, we are back, and after a very long time of walking in their bearskin outfits, Bob and Charles come across a shack.
Office Ladies
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Instead, you're supposed to wave your arms, try to look or become as big as possible, even if it means you have to try to get like up on a hill or something. But never scream and never, ever make bear sounds. Don't growl. At the bear. And then when you move away, you're supposed to go sideways. Don't go backwards because that is seen as like- Retreating. Yeah. Try to go sideways.
Office Ladies
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excited are you to see this shack i'm so excited are you kidding me and by the way it is this shack looks like it has been abandoned forever and is falling apart and is in no way any kind of real shelter except when you have been living out in the wilderness for however long they've been gone yeah this looks like a mansion Yeah. I needed them to be like, oh, my God, or something. Yeah.
Office Ladies
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They just sort of just walk in and get down to the business of looking through all the contents of the shelter. This is my favorite part of survival films, by the way. Oh, yeah. Is when the people find something like this where they they get to root. for all their new supplies.
Office Ladies
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It's the part of zombie movies that I like, like in Dawn of the Dead, when they go through the mall and they get all the things they want to gather for their survival.
Office Ladies
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Yeah. One of the ones, it's like covered up with earth, but it goes down a hole. And there's spiky things.
Office Ladies
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But that's going to be important later. I'm glad you mentioned it. So they get inside and here's what they found. They found a teapot. Some whiskey. A rifle with bullets. An old map. A map. Yeah. And a canoe that floats. That floats. Oh, they're so excited. They're going to like kind of gather themselves. Bob is hitting the whiskey pretty hard. Charles is like, I'm going to make tea.
Office Ladies
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Oh, was that your favorite part of the movie? Was this like how I loved the John Wick coffee maker moment? Was this that for you, where he's in the wilderness, he's going to make himself some tea real quick?
Office Ladies
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Well, yes, because now is going to begin the final chapter of this movie. Chapter one, we had Man Against the Wilderness. Chapter two, Man Against Bear. And now the final chapter is Man Against Man. Because as Charles is starting the fire for his teapot, guess what he finds?
Office Ladies
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Mm-hmm. And he says, yeah, I guess you can kill me now that you don't need me anymore. Now that you know you can just ride this canoe down the river. You don't really need me. And Bob is like, you had no business being with that broad. Everybody knows it. She was just with you for the money. Yeah.
Office Ladies
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I think that what Charles was picking up on at the beginning of the movie, when he says, how are you going to kill me, Bob? He's picking up on the idea that he knows that Bob has it in him, that he's the kind of man who has thought, wouldn't it be great if Charles died and then we got all the money? I don't think he thinks, oh, this man will actually murder me. But he knows he's had the thought.
Office Ladies
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That's what I think the scab he's picking at when he says that. That he says, I know the character of you. Right. You're a man of poor character because you would wish me dead so you can have my wife and my money. Okay. That's what I imagine. I don't think obviously Bob didn't make a flock of geese fly into this plane and make them stranded.
Office Ladies
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At this point, Charles could just, quote, not survive this. And he can go back and have the wife and all the money. So, yeah. But I don't think he was always going to kill Charles. It wasn't. This is a man of opportunity. That's the character that he is, right? Yeah. He takes advantage of opportunities. Yeah.
Office Ladies
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Yep. Sidestep. Yep. If the bear charges you, this is where I think, I don't know how you do this. Do you charge it back? Nope. You just stand there.
Office Ladies
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Oh, I love man against man. I liked the survival. This is the outwitting. This is the part of survivor where you have to outwit.
Office Ladies
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Yes. And his leg gets impaled. Like he has clearly, the way it's twisted, it's clearly broken during the fall and it has a giant spike through it now.
Office Ladies
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He tourniquets his leg. And then we've got a cut. We never see him do it, but somehow he gets him out of the pit and puts him on the table up in the cabin. It's fine. Jump cut. It's fine.
Office Ladies
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He passes out from the pain. Yeah. And Charles is now going to sit and weirdly read the first aid brochure as if there's anything in there. There's a first aid kit in the wall of this cabin. And he's reading this brochure as if he's going to find any information on how to help this leg. Like every time I see this part of the movie, I'm like, what does he think he's finding in this booklet?
Office Ladies
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Yes. Again, we don't ever see how Charles got Bob in the canoe, but they're now sailing down the river and they're going to have a conversation. Yes.
Office Ladies
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Bob is going to ask Charles, why did you save me after everything that's happened? And Charles says, it's a challenge. And Bob says, I think it's because you've never had a friend.
Office Ladies
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Well, it doesn't look good. You think? Yeah, he doesn't look good. And that's when Bob is going to start crying. And he kind of knows he's dying. And he says, I've done nothing with my life. And I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I want you to know something. Mickey was never part of the plan to kill you. Well, I guess now it seems like there was a plan to kill him. He just says she was never in on it.
Office Ladies
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In most cases, a bear will veer off at the last minute. It's just like a really intense game of chicken. The vast majority of bears are uninterested in humans. And once they get close enough, like if they're charging you, once they get close enough to smell you and recognize you as human... They should retreat and go away. But a bear will attack anything that it deems to be fleeing prey.
Office Ladies
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Any of this business out here, she wasn't in on it. Yeah. What? Well, we don't know. And Charles is like, Bob, come on. It's fine. Bob, don't die on me. Don't die on me, Bob. And then what do we hear in the distance?
Office Ladies
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We're saved. Bob's dead. Bob's dead. And remember what Charles said most men die of in the wilderness. He died of shame because he couldn't go back. He couldn't face himself. And I don't think it's the affair. What he couldn't face was that he was willing to kill Charles.
Office Ladies
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We're also now going to see Bob's body is being unloaded from the plane. He's all covered up. And Mickey, you see Mickey standing there stoically waiting for her husband, but then also kind of.
Office Ladies
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She's looking up. Because she sees Bob didn't make it. There's all these reporters have gathered. And Charles goes up and looks at Mickey for a long time, gives her a hug. And then puts Bob's watch in her hand. Yep, for all the nights. And then the reporters are clamoring for a statement, and Charles is going to give us the final wisdom from the movie. Here it is.
Office Ladies
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That's right. In our lifetimes, every single one of us is put to the test. It's not going to come in the form or at the time you would prefer, but we'll all be put to the test somehow, some way. And so are you going to walk out of it? Are you? Are you going to die of shame? Which to me is just another way of saying, are you going to give up? Are you going to give up and give in?
Office Ladies
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Are you going to walk out of it? Because what one man can do, another can do. That's right. Your test is no different than someone else's test. It might be a different form. It might be a different time. But we will all have a test. Can you rise to the occasion? That's what this movie is asking. And that is why I love this movie.
Office Ladies
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The National Park Service says to be especially cautious of mama bears and cubs. Never get in the middle of a mama bear and her cubs. If they're walking in a line, don't cross it. Do not get in the middle of them. Also, do not climb a tree to get away. They will get you. If you're trying to escape a bear and you're wearing a backpack, keep it on because this might serve as protection.
Office Ladies
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It's making me tear up because it's the other part of this movie, which is that you do not do it alone. You don't do any of it alone. I did not do my cancer journey alone. Angela, you were there every step of the way. And so was my husband. And so were all the nurses and the doctors. And so were all the parents of my children's friends.
Office Ladies
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And there is a community for all of us when we are put to the test. There is. You have to find it. You have to let it in. People will give themselves to you. In so many ways to help you.
Office Ladies
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Yeah, I also think that, in a way, just their being there did save his life because it gave Charles purpose to get out. He wasn't ever alone. Right. Being alone in the wilderness is a lot harder than being with two other people in the wilderness, whatever your wilderness is. Right. You know? And so just their presence...
Office Ladies
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Well, thank you, lady. Thank you to everyone for writing in and for watching this along with us. I really mean it. I appreciate you sharing this movie that I love so much. We'll see you next week. See you then.
Office Ladies
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Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
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If a grizzly or a brown bear does attack you, lie flat on your stomach with your hands behind your neck and spread your legs so that the bear can't flip you over. If you try to fight back in any way, it might increase the intensity of the attack. So you wanna save fighting back as a last resort. If you feel like you're in a last resort situation like Steven was in the movie. Go for the nose?
Office Ladies
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The face. Okay. Find an object and hit the bear in the face. Like try to find a rock and just smash the bear's face. That's for brown bears. If a black bear attacks you, don't play dead. This is, look at all you have to be observing in this moment. Well, the brown bear, you said stand your ground, don't play dead. Until it's attacking you, then play dead. And spread your legs and cover your neck.
Office Ladies
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Lay on your stomach. Starfish. Yep. There you go. If a black bear is attacking you, it's said to try to get into a closed vehicle or building. I mean, duh.
Office Ladies
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I don't know. But in the rare case that a bear is stalking you and maybe like attacks you while you're in your tent or something, this is a predatorial bear and fighting back is the only option. Very, very rare. But kind of true that, like, the bear in this movie is hunting the people. I guess every once in a while. Finally, if you want to hear an amazing story of a bear attack...
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Yes, everyone. Welcome back. You know, once we got into it, we realized we had a lot to say about this movie. Yeah, we needed to make it a two-parter. Because it's so good. I think, Angela, wouldn't you agree? It's just because it's so good, there's so much to say. There is a lot to say. Wait, but it's because it's so good.
Office Ladies
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Oh, is it that podcast? Seth Rogen's Storytime. It is so good. Yes. He interviewed a guy who fought off a bear attack and lived.
Office Ladies
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Yes, do. Well, before we go to break, Sam, you also said that you had an observation about the edge that you want to share. Yes.
Office Ladies
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Is Lord of the Rings just like three people walking through a forest, like laying down wisdom? Honestly, most of it, yes. Well, I'm intrigued.
Office Ladies
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Why don't we take a break and then we'll finish breaking down the edge. Angela, you are still tracking the wind and I've got two more pieces of Charles wisdom for you.
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All right, we are back. Now, quick summary. Here is what has happened so far in the movie that we broke down last week. Three men, Bob, Charles, and Stephen, have been stranded in the wilderness after a small plane they were traveling in was hit by a flock of geese. While trying to survive in the wilderness, this group is also being stalked by a bear.
Office Ladies
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And then Stephen cut his leg trying to make a spear and Bob hung the bloody rag on a tree instead of burying it like he was told. He was specifically told to bury the bloody rag. And he didn't. The blood attracted the bear who charged their campsite. Stephen is dead. He was killed by the bear. Bob and Charles are alive and it's snowing.
Office Ladies
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You know, maybe if that reviewer guy, James, listens to our breakdown, he'll gain a new appreciation for the movie. Wow. You are still really sour about James. I might write him a letter. He might get a letter from me. He's going to be so confused because he wrote his review. In 1997. Yeah. You know what? It's never too late. It's never too late.
Office Ladies
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And, you know, they haven't eaten. They need food. So Charles makes a little wooden trap. And they're going to try to trap a squirrel. And they do it.
Office Ladies
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And this is when Bob, this is his moment that he becomes absolutely despondent.
Office Ladies
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Bob ran faster. Okay. He did. Okay. But now they're realizing that's it. That's the only time that helicopter is going to search that area. Their only option is truly to walk out of this situation. They are going to have to save themselves. Being rescued is no longer an option.
Office Ladies
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Here's what I wrote about this scene where Bob is losing it and Charles is trying to, like, you know. carry on carrying on i wrote during my cancer journey which was my wilderness i would go back and forth between being bob and charles and that's why i love this movie because i feel like these two points of view are in all of us right like In a moment of crisis, who's going to win?
Office Ladies
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Bob or Charles? But we need both. We need to have the release. We need to have the tears. We need to have the doubt. We aren't robots. But eventually we need Charles to get us be like, okay, did you get it out? Are you good? And now let's move forward. That's why I love the movie. I feel like we all have both of us in them. Bob and Charles. Bob and Charles.
Office Ladies
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But first, I said last week that I would tell you what to do in a bear attack.
Office Ladies
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And then, you know, then sometimes we're Steven. Sometimes the situation is just going to get us. It just is. There's nothing you can do. You can't win them all. I know. Who would you be in the wilderness? Like, if you were in this movie, if you were having this literal thing happen to you, not metaphorical, are you Bob, Charles, or Steven? Who are you?
Office Ladies
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I don't want to go. All right. Let's see. Where are we? Oh, they are going to walk along the river and Charles is going to go fishing because they really need to eat. They're not going to get out of here if they don't get some food. I don't know what happened to their squirrel.
Office Ladies
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Well, let's get to it. First of all, brown bears, like the one in the movie, are more aggressive than black bears. However, the chances of being attacked by a bear are exceedingly rare, but it does happen. And according to all the experts, staying alive during a bear attack requires a presence of mind that is difficult for humans to muster under pressure.
Office Ladies
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Yeah. Well, now they're trying to fish. using parts of Charles's watch. He has to keep dismantling this gift from his wife to survive. He uses almost all of it. He does. But guess what happens while he's fishing? The bear comes back, y'all. He comes back. Charles gets back to the campfire and they make like a circle of fire around their fire and they're standing in the circle of fire.
Office Ladies
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Yeah. And they only have one option. Charles says they're going to have to kill him. They're going to have to kill the bear.
Office Ladies
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This is wisdom moment number three. The most famous. This is after Bob says, how? How are we going to kill the bear? And Charles says, we're going to use the same principle as the deadfall. We're going to use the bear's own weight and we're going to get it to impale itself onto a spear that we've whittled when it's attacking us. And Bob's like, well, how are we going to get the bear? To come out.
Office Ladies
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And he's like, we're going to have to lure him. We're going to lure the bear to us.
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Well, we should back up a second because we skipped a scene, which is Dwight and Michael are in Michael's office and they are brainstorming about what motivates people the most. Yeah. What's an incentive? Yes. Because he's going to have to motivate the sales team to win this prize today. At 3 minutes and 15 seconds, Dwight is hanging out over Michael's shoulder in that traditional spot.
Office Ladies
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There's no credenza yet in Michael's office in season one.
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Yeah, I noticed going back again, I really saw how this was our real scene. Building. Yes. This wasn't our set yet. Well, I also want to note that Dwight is not wearing a mustard shirt in this episode. Oh, wow. I didn't catch that. Kind of a good catch. That is a good catch.
Office Ladies
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Well, like you said, Michael's going to get a glimpse of Katie through the blinds and he's going to decide he does want to speak with her. Yeah. And he's going to go out and he's going to tell her she can have the conference room.
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And we talked about this in our original breakdown. But lady, if you can believe it, I have more to tell you about American Way magazine. I love American In-flight magazines. I do too. And I'm sad a lot of airlines don't have them anymore. That's what I was going to share. Oh. American Way magazine has been retired. Oh, no. Yeah.
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According to an article in USA Today from June 2021, Dana Lawrence, American Airlines Managing Director of Global Brand Marketing, said airlines are eliminating magazines due in large part to travelers changing tastes for in-flight entertainment since the introduction of Wi-Fi on planes. Oh. But then I got into the history of the American Way magazine. Is this going to make me more sad?
Office Ladies
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I don't know. I found it fascinating. It started as a 22-page booklet called The American Way in 1966, and it was just an annual publication. And in the first issue, flight attendants were called stewardesses, and business travelers were pitched family fairs, offering half-price tickets for your wife. It was like so Mad Men, this whole era. But then it moved to a monthly magazine.
Office Ladies
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And American Way is very proud that they've had a few pop culture moments. They called them out in this article, specifically the fact that Michael Scott, played by Steve Carell, bragged that he subscribed to it. They mentioned that he has that line where he says... There's some great articles in there. They did a great profile last month of Doris Roberts and where she likes to eat in Phoenix.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
I loved it. American Way said they did feature an article with Terry Bradshaw and where he likes to eat in Phoenix. So if you want to look that up, you can at least find that out. And then did you know that 12 years later, our very own Mindy Kaling was on the cover of American Way magazine? She tweeted about it.
Office Ladies
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She said, I'm proud to grace the cover of Michael Scott's favorite magazine, American Way. That's so funny. Well, I have to go find that because I want to read it. Well, by 2021, Delta, Southwest, and United had also retired their in-flight magazines. But United decided to bring their Hemispheres magazine back in digital form. Virgin Atlantic has also brought their magazine back online.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
You all know we discussed the first time we broke this down how I wrote an article about winning the poker tournament in Scotland for Hemispheres magazine, and I thought I would share an update. Okay. My family went back to Scotland in 2022. We returned to the same pub, the Wally Dug. This time with your kids. Yep. There was no poker tournament. We wanted there to be so bad.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
We were like, guys, listen, if we get there and there's a poker tournament, buckle in because mom's going to enter again.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
But there was no poker tournament. But when we got there, the bartender was like, oh, my gosh, you're that girl who from the TV show that won the poker tournament here. And I was like, yes. And it had become like she said, we get all these American tourists who come here now. Yeah. Because you told that story. But it was sweet. We took a photo with our kids.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
And now on our shelf, we have the photo of me and Lee from our first trip and then a photo with the kids.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
Hello. Hi. Let's tell everybody what we're doing today because this is exciting. I'm so excited about it. We watched the Hot Girl Peacock Superfan episode. So much extra stuff. So much extra stuff. You know, we went into our mailbag and you all suggested that we watch and break down some of these Peacock Superfan episodes. There are some people who don't even know these exist.
Office Ladies
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Well, this scene of him watching Katie, like, unpack her purses and he's just lingering. Oh, man. It's a little expanded from the original. There's just a lot more of him awkwardly watching her and asking if there's anything he can do to help, you know, until she's finally like, a cup of coffee would be great. And then he's like, I knew it.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
And then there's a new talking head from Michael where he says, it's probably not charming to say so, but people find him charming. There's a whole runner of Michael in this episode talking about just what a catch he is, how charming he is.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
Well, what's interesting is that this is the first and only time we see this full hallway on the show. It was the hallway that goes behind the back window of the conference room. To get to it, you would go through that door next to the storage shelf and like go to the left.
Office Ladies
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You go through that door and then that's where that hallway was. And this was a real thing in this real building. But it was really weird because it was like there was a window at the end of the conference room, but it just went to this hallway. And then on the other wall of the hallway were a couple of windows that actually went outside.
Office Ladies
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I don't know what this hallway was for. It made no sense. It made no sense. It's like where the hallway, it's where Dwight lit the fire. Yes, that's right. But that was after we had recreated it on our set. We recreated part of this hallway. But in that episode, which is stress relief, when Dwight starts the fire in the trash can, you only see the right corner.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
You never see this view behind the conference room again. Right. So when we were watching the final episodes of the show and I became very curious about where does this door go? And I wrote Dave Rogers and I said, where does that door go by the storage shelf? Yeah, what's the story? What happens if you turn left? We know what happens.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
You get to our hair and makeup stations and you get to where we would eat lunch. But I'm like, where in the world of this building of this show did we think that went? And Dave Rogers, we joke about it. He sent me back a dissertation. About the hallway? All the hallways of Dunder Mifflin.
Office Ladies
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So Dave shared with me that there are a lot of Dunder Mifflin floor plans that were made by fans that try to explain where all of the doors and hallways go in our world. Most of those show this hallway as leading to a set of stairs. So you know that door that's at the end past the break room? Yes, yes, yes.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
Yeah. So, you know, we broke down Hot Girl before in our original rewatch, but there are added scenes. And we also found so many more things that we could talk about. Well, Jenna, are you going to do a summary?
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
Most of the fan theories, they have drawn a set of stairs that you can get to from either that door by the break room or a door at the end of this little hallway. Okay. But there was no door at the end of this hallway.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
Oh, well, I don't know. If you need to clear a room of smoke, you might open a window and blow it out the window. I don't know. Anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well. I was going to say, in reality, both of those doors led to a big storage closet, which is where I believe props would keep our props. But in the world of Dunder Mifflin, we created our own Dunder Mifflin floor plan.
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Because we had to have a sense of where did these things go in the fictional world. And even on the Tundra Mifflin floor plan, this hallway goes nowhere. Oh, no. It goes to nothing. On our official floor plan, we do show that the door by the break room does lead to a fictional staircase. And I think that is the staircase that...
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Would go to the spot where we saw Pam crying on the bench when Dwight comforts her. Which was the side of the warehouse. Yeah. So that door by the break room, I believe, would take you down to that part of the building. And then also in our like Dunder Mifflin lobby elevator area, there is a staircase that would lead you down to Caffeine Corner. Right. Okay. Okay.
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But my one question when looking at all these floor plans was where is that long hallway that Michael is always running down that connects between those two stairwells? Oh, the writer's hallway?
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I really sat with that question, Angela, in planning this episode. Yeah. I'm going to do a title. Okay. Is it Hot Girl? Just curious. I'm going to say this. Okay. Season one, episode six. All accurate. Written by Mindy Kaling. Directed by Amy Heckerling. Yes. I'm going to give you a summary. Okay. I'm not going to give you any fast facts, though. Okay. I'm not going to, you know.
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We know it was the writer's hallway, but like where – because there's windows.
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Why didn't they go to so many places? It's true. The kitchen. Yes. Also, looking at this floor plan, there is another door that we never reveal where it goes or what it is. It leads to nowhere. And that is the door in the annex by Kelly's desk. Yes. The door by accounting we eventually reveal is a storage locker where the dock crew keeps their stuff.
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I don't know. Well, anyway, there it is, everybody. That was... The hallways. The dissertation on hallways and doorways. I was talking to Paul Lieberstein recently, and he pointed out that none of the windows of our interior set match the windows of our exterior building. And it said it's always driven him crazy, and fans never talk about it.
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He said there's all these floor plans and people worry about the hallways and the doors, but no one talks about the windows.
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You know, I'm glad that was cut from both the original and the superfan. I don't think I ever need to see that. It's so gross. Well, now Dwight is going to have a talking head. This was also in the original episode where he just talks about how the purse girl, like, hits everything on his list. We talked about this scene because it has the very famous line that shrewds produce very thirsty babies.
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Dwight doesn't need the boobs for him, though. They're for his babies. For his babies. Yeah. That's why he likes her boobs. That's right. I thought the angle of this talking head was very interesting. He's inside the conference room, but... He doesn't have Stanley's desk behind him. Nope. It's actually like he's sitting almost right by the door to the conference room, which is closed.
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And over his shoulder, you can see Jim. You can see Creed at the copier. Leanne crosses behind him.
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Well, behind Katie's shoulder, we have the Dunder Mifflin Calendar Blitz. Yeah. It's this whiteboard, and it looks like a sales chart. Maybe this is where we're figuring out who's going to win this incentive at the end of the day. And the names on it were very curious to me. Oh. They were Jim, Dwight, Stanley, Phyllis. Andy. Andy? Yes. Andy. Roger. Who's Roger?
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I feel like I keep doing them. And it ends here. Okay. All right. You heard it. But here's your summary because I couldn't give that up. Okay. The appearance of an attractive purse saleswoman sparks a romantic rivalry between Michael, Dwight, and Jim and causes Pam to examine her own feelings. Okay. Okay. Now, I'm not going to leave you hanging here in the top of show.
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And Michelle with one L. Who the hell are Roger and Michelle?
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Well, he also has a line where he asks her if she knows the difference between a snake and an eel. And if not, he can look it up. I looked up the difference between a snake and an eel. Well, an eel is ocean, right? It's a saltwater animal. Well, Angela, according to AmericanOceans.org, there are several differences between snakes and eels. Should we start with their habitat?
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Yeah. Well, eels can live in both freshwater or saltwater. In fact, the European eel migrates from freshwater to saltwater to breed. However, snakes are found mostly on land. but in a variety of habitats like deserts, forests, and swamps. Both snakes and eels lack pectoral fins and have scales, but eels have a slimy skin, whereas snakes have dry, scaly skin. Eels have gills. Snakes have lungs.
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Eels have a tail fin that runs the length of their body, but snakes have no tail. Also, diet. Most eels are carnivorous and they eat fish and crustaceans and worms. Snakes are also carnivorous and eat things like rodents, birds, and other reptiles. I mean, I've got more. Do you want to hear about their reproductive cycles? I don't know. Well, buckle in because I'm going to tell you.
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So I like to walk in my neighborhood. I like to walk in the fresh air. And then I like to do one of the Peloton meditations and total body stretches. That is an example of like one fitness thing I'll do in a week.
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I don't know if I want to know how they do it. Eels lay their eggs in the ocean and the larvae drift back to freshwater environments. Snakes lay eggs or give birth to live young. So different. I knew that snakes laid eggs. Well, I think it's very different. Yeah. Snakes and eels are not closely related is the bottom line. Snakes are reptiles. Eels are fish.
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They belong to totally different classes of animals.
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Everyone, take that into your weekend. Oh, my gosh. If you meet a set of twins, they might look very similar. But they're not. They're different people. Oh, gosh. And the next time you encounter a set of twins, you're going to remember this podcast and the moral of the story.
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Exactly. Exactly. They look the same, but they're different. But also, I want to say something. But also, snakes and eels don't even look that much alike. They're both like... I don't know. Long. They're both long and I guess they don't have feet.
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We did promise we would give top of show shares. And I've got a big one for you.
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In our original breakdown of this episode, we mentioned that Amy Adams, who stars as the purse girl, Katie, was Mindy Kaling's first choice for the role. But what we didn't share was that Amy Adams was not the first person cast in the role. Nope. We originally shot Hot Girl for an entire day with a completely different actress in the role of Katie.
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Now Michael is going to offer to give Katie a tour of the office and he tells Ryan to watch her purses.
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Then we have a new Dwight talking head. It's a classic. This is some classic Dwight here where he describes his ideal woman. Oh, yeah. You know, his ideal woman would be Koniko Taka, whose parents were assassinated and she was taken in by a wealthy, cruel businessman. But then she practiced Aikido for years. Yes, to one day secretly avenge her parents' deaths. This is who Dwight wants.
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And it also says groceries. 10 minutes, 10 seconds. Yes, it is on the wall, and it is right by the door that leads to the bullpen.
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Also, there's another sign by Oscar. It's another all-hands meeting. You know that all-hands meeting that's been up by Pam's desk this whole first season? It's on Saturday. No date. Just Saturday. It's a lot of meetings. Pam has a talking head where she says she likes having Katie around because it's another person for Michael to interact with. Now we've got a couple of new moments.
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We see Kelly trying to pick out a purse and Ryan is sort of now, I guess, in the role of salesperson. I went to the shooting draft because I was like, what is happening?
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And then also, this is our first moment of Kelly and Ryan. And it's so weird because I wonder if this happens to people when they're rewatching the show. I know what's going to happen with Kelly and Ryan. And by the way, Kelly right now is still old Kelly. She's not full Mindy yet. And so I'm like, okay, the purse she picked up is leading toward full Mindy. Yeah. But she's still kind of dressed...
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Like old Kelly. Yeah. And I don't think there's any flirtation here. In fact, at the end of this episode, Dwight is going to give Kelly a purse, almost like hinting that there could be romance there. Yeah. All the romances are off, and I'm a little confused because I know too much.
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When we get to our episode on all about Ryan Howard, I think we're going to have – we'll really track his – what would you call that? Deception. Yes. All right. Now we have another new scene, Angela, that you pointed out in our All About Michael Scott episode. Michael is continuing to give Katie a tour of the office.
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Now Michael is going to introduce Katie to Toby. And they kind of hit it off. Yeah. Toby notices that she has a Bishop O'Hara ring. And he's like, oh, my God, did you go there? And she's like, yeah. And he's like, I went there. And they're starting to bond. And, of course, Michael has to cut it off.
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And unfortunately, she just wasn't quite right for the role. They had to let her go. We replaced her with Amy. And it's so funny because in our original breakdown, we talk about how when Amy was shooting with us, she told us a story about how she had just been fired from a job when we were all on set together. It's such a common thing in the business. It's almost like a rite of passage.
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Sounds like she got everything. Well, now we are going to go into the kitchen. Roy, Jim, and Pam are eating lunch. And Roy just keeps going on and on about how attractive Katie is. And we talked a lot about this in our last breakdown. You know, Pam is seated in between Roy and Jim and Roy is like, I don't understand why you don't go for her helper.
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You know, if we weren't dating, I'd be all over that. And Pam's like, we're not dating. We're engaged. She storms out of the kitchen. Mm hmm. Here's something we did not talk about in our last breakdown. I have something as well. Is it at 12 minutes and 52 seconds?
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At the end of the scene? No. I'll let you go first then. Mine's at the very end of the scene. It's a button at the end of the scene.
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Where is Jim from originally? How long has Pam known Roy? Does Jim's family live in town? Do his brothers and parents live in town? Do we know? Their house was in town with the clown. Oh, yeah, that's right. So they did. But how long has Pam known Roy? I mean, in my backstory, Pam and Roy at least went to high school together. Yeah.
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Well, I'm just as excited about this, but at 12 minutes and 52 seconds, Jim John is eating carrots. Oh, yes. I saw that. I think this is the first Jim John carrot eating.
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Yeah. And I actually wrote about it in my book, The Actor's Life, because while I was writing my book, I got fired from a show and I share all about it in my book. But I also did some research and I thought you might enjoy some of these tidbits. Okay. For example, did you know that Lisa Kudrow was originally cast as Roz in the pilot for Frasier? No. Mm-hmm. Yes.
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And Roy has pizza. Jim has a talking head now where he just talks about like, hey, you know, Pam and I are good buddies. She comes to me with her problems like work or Roy.
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It's powerful. I saw two things in this scene that are great examples of stuff we've talked about on the podcast before. Let's hear them. At 13 minutes and 27 seconds, Dwight's chair does not have arms. This was the crap chair that we used to pass around. Yes. It's in this scene. I didn't think it ever played prominently in a scene.
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But somehow before Rain started this scene, he got the crap chair and there are no arms on this chair.
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And it made me laugh. It brought me back because I was like, I remember when I get stuck with that. Chair without the arms.
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We just move it around to all our desks and you'd be like, oh, it really motivated you to get to set early. Also, at 13 minutes and 35 seconds. There is so clearly a fakey document on Dwight's monitor and Jim's monitor. I saw that. It's also on Meredith's monitor. The same one? No, they're all slightly different. But, I mean, they really look almost like a sticker.
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You can just tell that these computers don't really work. If you like just notice that in every single scene, it's the same fakey document on these monitors. But I think especially telling is the fact that Kate is not playing solitaire in the background. Right.
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I have a lot of hearing about them that I want to do. So we're a good match.
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We're inventing a lot of phrases that are going to catch on this week.
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And Ray Romano was originally cast as the handyman in News Radio. Really? And he was let go. And Bob Odenkirk was supposed to play Nathan on Will and Grace, but he was let go and replaced with Woody Harrelson.
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This is where you want to go for cheese, Ange. Oh, I know. I love their cheese. There's such a huge selection. Yes. And not just that. They also have all the best, like, little extras that go on your cheese board. The nuts and the dried fruit and the little jams and the big stuff.
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All right. We are back. And Jim is really trying to pump Dwight up to get him to have the confidence to go in and talk to Katie. And he says, listen, if there's a lull in the conversation, just buy a purse.
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Well, like I said before the break, I am ready to receive this information into my ears.
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So did a bunch of men start carrying satchels to be like Harrison Ford in that movie? Yes. Wow.
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It feels like this episode falls in that time period of the 90s, early 2000s.
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Well, Allison Jones shared with us that Amy Adams was everybody's first choice for Katie the Purse Girl. But there was this concern that Amy and I looked too similar. And I guess one of the writers even said, I'm sorry, we can't cast her. She's like Jenna 2.0. And so they got cold feet and they cast someone else.
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I just want bigger pockets. I actually want to put everything in my pockets. Well, I don't want a purse.
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Well, Dwight's going to take Jim's advice. He's going to go in and he's going to buy a purse from Katie. And then Jim is going to run over to Pam's desk and they're going to do that little thing you do where you like make up dialogue. Flirty flirt flirt. As they're watching him through the window, they're like, oh, look, I love this. This is wonderful.
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Yes, this was added in the Superfan episode. This flirty moment at reception with Jim and Pam is expanded. And this is when Pam tells Jim that Michael has been talking to Katie as well. Yeah. And the shot from our opening credits was taken from this scene. Oh, yeah. Of Jim and Pam at reception. That's from this moment of them watching Dwight in the conference room.
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I also want to note that there's this moment... In this scene when Pam mentions that his cell phone ringtone is still Mambo No. 5, we kind of cut to Michael in his office. It's at 15 minutes, 34 seconds. And you can really tell that that is real sunlight coming through the window, that that is not fakey window, that this is from the real building.
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So she leaves and as she's leaving, Katie goes, come back. Was that scripted or improvised?
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Well, now Michael tells Katie, I got to show you something. Come to my office. He bought the flippin' Starbucks digital barista for $1,000. Yes. And he has a talking head where he says coffee is the great incentivizer. Really speeds people up.
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Someone dropped her off at this business park. And she didn't know anyone there. They just dropped her off. I mean, we talked about this before. All day she needed to be in the conference room. How long does it take to sell purses to 16 people? Yeah. And who dropped her off? And why won't they come pick her up? Well, I don't know. They're not going to.
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But when it didn't work out, they decided to cast Amy and just lean into the fact that she and I looked similar. Because that wasn't the idea behind the role at first. That was not part of the conception of Katie the purse girl. And then that is why they added that line. She's like Pam 6.0, which is just so amazing because that writer had said it up in the writer's room.
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But Michael is going to insist on driving her home. She reluctantly agrees. And now we get this amazing new Michael talking head where Michael is just talking about why women find him attractive. It is so all over the place. It's brilliant. I thought we should hear it.
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feel like Michael Scott could be on our episode today. I know. With all these phrases that he's coining. I know. I looked in the script. This talking head is not in it. Nope. It is not in our candy bag alts. Nope. I really think that this was just Steve improvising.
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19 minutes, 24 seconds. Dwight is drinking coffee, as you mentioned, out of a football mug.
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But not a team mug. It's just a mug with a football on it that says football. I noticed this mug a few times in season one. It is the weirdest mug. I feel like if you could recreate this mug for someone, it would make an excellent deep cut gift for an office fan. Oh, yeah. Also, there is so much background activity in this scene. Meredith is at the supply shelf. Stanley walks in and sits down.
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We all got up from our desks in season one. It's hilarious.
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Okay. Do you like Steve Miller? No. Because I'm in a Steve Miller tribute. Oh. It's so funny. It's so good. So good. That was an extra scene for the super fan.
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And he doesn't know where anything is anymore. He doesn't. Yeah.
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I do. I do. Mine looks like four folders. Mine is like shit everywhere. I know. Next up in the conference room, Stanley has just purchased a purse. And Michael is going to bring Katie an espresso from the machine that is an incentive prize.
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I can clean it. Now we're gonna go to the kitchen. Jim enters, asks Dwight for his stapler. Dwight says, it's in my purse. Of course, everyone gets a little snicker.
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Again, so much deep background movement back there in the annex. Devin is walking around.
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Yes. Of course, Pam is going to go out and tell Jim all about this conversation. They're laughing about the futon. When Roy comes in, he wants to make up with Pam. We talked about this last time. He's going to tickle her into forgiving him. Yes.
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Because he's going to find someone in a second. She's not all that happy about it.
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Well, Angela's in the conference room, and she's looking at purses. And we talked a lot about this scene in our original breakdown.
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We had a lot of fun. You can tell. Thank you. You guys were good together. Thank you. I actually think there's a spinoff with you, me, and Amy.
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Dwight is watching Angela and Katie through the window, and he is going to get up his nerve to go in and ask her out. But she turns him down. She's pretty harsh.
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Luann crosses twice in the background of this talking head. Creed crosses. Devin. Then at the end, Creed again. I was just like, there's so much crossing. Also, what's really hilarious is that both Creed and Luann cross into the accounting nook by your desk, Angela, which means that they would cross there and just stand there and then come out. And cross right back.
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But where do they – they must have just been standing in the corner.
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They're messing with your stuff, Ange. They're snooping around. Oh, dear. Now Michael is going to ask Ryan for some help cleaning out his car. This is one of my favorite scenes. It's one of my favorite scenes of the whole series. Blue Blast.
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25 minutes and 8 seconds. Fakie water bottle label and then fakie blue blast label.
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Jenna F. from Los Angeles wants to know, how much of this was improv?
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Jim is very smooth when he wants to be, huh? Did he flip the charm switch or what? He waited till the end of the day. Everybody was coming at her all day. Yeah. He played it so cool. Yeah. We're going to go back to Michael's car. And I love this. This is the scene where he finds all the Filet-O-Fish wrappers. The smell-alike. How many Filet-O-Fishes do you eat?
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And Michael is like, that's from a couple of months.
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I've done this so many times. Now he can throw it away. Now he can. But now this scene is expanded and Michael is going to ask Ryan to hook him up with some great music to play.
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While they're having this conversation at 26 minutes and 59 seconds, there is this angle on the parking lot and there is this brick wall behind the car. And, you know, this is because this was a real parking lot at a real building. But... Once we move locations, you will never see this brick wall again. And I thought it was interesting that we didn't try to recreate that.
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What? That's probably going to be better than mine.
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Yeah. We let it go. We let it go. We were like, I mean, I guess I'm not surprised because what were we going to build a brick wall? But I don't know. Brick wall.
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Well, now Pam is hanging out at Jim's desk. She's bored. She's like, what are you doing for the weekend?
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going out with katie he sure is oh pam's face oh pam's face and guess what she's gonna do yeah she's gonna help roy's cousin move oh the romance yeah she has this line where she says um we're gonna help roy's cousin move because roy's got a truck well this made me laugh because when lee and i started dating he said he always had to help people move because he had an azuzu trooper
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He was the guy with the big car. He was. He's like, it's a real thing.
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No, there's not. Well, now Michael's going to have another talking head where he's talking again about being a ladies' man.
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Well, now it's the end of the day. And here's that moment. I said, Dwight goes over and gives Kelly his mini briefcase purse.
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I hit it right in the middle. Find your push. Find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.com. Are you struggling for a gift idea? I'm going to help you out. Okay.
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I so remembered doing this scene. And have you ever, like, had this happen before? I feel like I have this stored in my body from my youth or something where, like, you know – You're going to see maybe a cute boy that you like. And so you put on a lipstick. Yeah. Or you put on mascara. You do something. You do something. And then to just kind of like get noticed.
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But then when you see yourself in the mirror, you realize how it's just like too much. And then you feel like all cringy inside.
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Yes. Well, now everyone's leaving for the day. It's dark out. Everyone's walking to their cars at the same time. Michael's walking out with Katie and Jim. And this is when we find out that Jim is just going to give Katie a ride home after they get drinks. Yeah. And Michael's like, oh, yeah, yeah. As they're walking out, Did you hear Katie's line, which I think has to be an improv by Amy?
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What, what? She goes, everyone's like, good night, good night. And she goes, good night. It was nice to meet some of you.
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Yes, the truck that we talked about the first time that David Denman and I got left in when the entire production wrapped for the day.
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He also read a profile on Bronson Pinchot and his adventures in Tuscany that was very charming. He also read profiles on Red Buttons. Yeah. He really loves that magazine, guys.
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Well, everyone, that was the super fan episode of Hot Girl. I really loved rewatching it with all that extra footage.
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And when we come back, we will break down this super fan episode of Hot Girl. And we have lots of fun new stuff.
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So listen, if there are any more superfan episodes that are some of your very favorites, let us know. Write to us in Dear Office, ladies. We want to know which superfan episodes or just which episodes do you love the most.
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And if you take nothing else from this episode, just remember the moral of the story is that if two things look the same, that doesn't mean that they are.
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Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
We are back and we kick things off with the same scene you would have seen in the broadcast episode. Michael is sticking some pencils in his computer keyboard. He looks like he's, I don't know, bored. He's not working. Nope. And then you come to realize Jan is on speakerphone. Yeah. She and Alan have created an incentive program to increase sales.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
And at the end of the month, Michael can reward the top seller in the office with a prize worth up to $1,000. Yeah.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
And he also wants to know, you know, if you're not still currently in sales, but maybe if you used to be in sales. And she's like, no, Michael, you're not eligible to win. Yeah. And then next up, we have an added scene, which is so good. Oh, my gosh. I loved it so much.
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
All these dudes are watching Katie at front reception as she is trying to sell Pam and Angela these little purses. At one point, she holds up this little red purse to Pam, and she's like, this color looks really good on you. This is really great for you. Lady, that's the color you say looks really good on me. It made me laugh out loud. Oh.
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
I don't want to interrupt you. Sorry. We don't usually allow solicitors in the office.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
Right. No, that's what I mean. I can't. I'm just the receptionist. I can't authorize you to, like, come in and set up or anything.
Office Ladies
Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
I love it. She turns to you, Angela. She's like, who would authorize? Is that you? I was like, no. No. My favorite line is when she says, I have some really great fakes. You won't even be able to tell the difference. Yes. All right. Fan question from Jenna F. in Los Angeles. Jenna F. remembers that a lot of this scene was improvised. Angela, can you confirm?
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Peacock Superfan Episode: Hot Girl
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Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Oh my gosh, Angela, this is a harrowing statistic. Every 26 seconds, a burglary takes place, according to FBI data?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Lovers podcast just for you.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like at first you were just like, hey, let's just make a compilation of, like, bonus material that people can find on Peacock. So they don't have to go to the DVDs and it will be this amazing office portal.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I don't know. But is this really just like it's like a two man operation? Is it mostly just you and Rob?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I like how you just jumped right in with it today, Ange. What is happening in the new year? Are you becoming me? I think so. Because look, I'm taking us on a tangent. Should I read my diary, my journal? And I'm just like, let's get to it. I feel like I want to. I want to. What's happened this year?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, that's what's interesting to me, because sometimes when I'm watching the super fan episodes, I'll notice, well, this scene is all new or this talking head is all new. But then I'll be watching a scene like how we watched Hot Girl. And there's the scene where Michael is in the conference room with Katie and he's just watching her unpack. And I notice, wait.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
This scene is in the original, but I think this has like four seconds of extra creeper stare from Michael. And so, yeah, like this would just be like an example of a couplet that gets added back, not a whole scene.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, let's get to it then. Dave Rogers worked on The Office from 2005 to 2013. He started as our editor, but then, as you all know, he started directing in season five.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I remember doing every once in a while those alternate versions of scenes. And I think there's an alternate version of – Jim and Pam walking out of the elevator at the end of the job or something. Or Jim walking out or me walking out. I remember we were trying to figure out that moment.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I think you did. You were like, do you remember how we did these alternate?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
It was so... Trippy. And I remember now that I was a little bit like, can't you do this with stand-ins? Because when Jim goes down on one knee for Pam, like, that's such a big moment for our characters. And I don't want to, like... do it here in the parking lot as a screen test or a camera test. You want to live it the first time. I want to save it. Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And I want there to be cars whizzing by and I want there to be rain.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
But somehow you guys convinced me and I do remember going out in the parking lot that day.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, Angela, I guess you are going to share some digital clutter with us now. So you are... Staying in your wheelhouse in a way. I'm a combo.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Are there any things that you found that are like your favorite finds?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Yeah, you couldn't plug it in an episode now because there would be the wrong people in the background. Right.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
They were so cute. They are all these videos of you kind of showing different aspects of the show. You would introduce different actors or different crew members. And you sent me this one, Angela. It's cute patoot galore.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, and something that's really nice about that example is that, you know, because the Meredith storyline of her getting sunburned had to be cut out for time, that also meant like you couldn't even go to her for reactions because she would have had this sunburn on her face that made no sense.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
So then she kind of ends up not existing in those episodes as much as she would have if she didn't have the sunburn. So now it's like this whole character gets to come back. Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, and of course, we have Ricky Gervais in a cameo on the show. And now I love that in the super fan episode, Stephen is represented, too.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
But what happens when you get to an episode and I'm thinking of like moving on, there's no deleted scenes for that. That was an episode. That was Jon Favreau's episode. That was one episode that got turned into two episodes. We even had to shoot an extra storyline to fill it out. And that had to be added in. So like, is there anything extra? For that? What do you do?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Have you had any episodes yet where there's just like, I got nothing?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
We will break down Dave's super fan list. Yeah. Okay. Dave's top five.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
If it's more than top five, let us know. But you can start with top five.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, we often debate on the podcast, does a deleted scene count toward the universe of The Office or a character? And we sort of came to the conclusion that no, that like if it's said in a deleted scene, it didn't count. So, for example, in the episode Baby Shower, there is this deleted scene about where it implies that Kevin might be the father of Jan's baby.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Okay. Okay. This is one of my favorites. We love Mafia. In our rewatch episode.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Did you put it in digitally now? In those later episodes?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
There are some things that we cannot bring back or reinsert. It's like the Voldemort.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Because the thoughtfulness with which – and the care that you put into each one of these episodes. Just talking about – How much time it must have taken you to be like, OK, I want to preserve this very funny Aaron storyline, but I know I can't ever destroy the painting. And then but you figured it out.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And I know you have taken that same love and care with every single episode, which and it's just what you put into your work. It's just such a beautiful thing to see. And we're so lucky. Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I mean, and thank God it's you. Yeah. Really. Thank God this wasn't just footage that you just turned over to Peacock and then someone who was never part of the show started tinkering with it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
When I heard that they were going to do these super fan episodes, I panicked a little bit.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Yeah. And then when I heard it was you and it was Rob Burnett and that it was Greg and was, you know, overseeing it, I was like, OK, good.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I think I noticed something like that in this Hot Girl superfan episode. There are so many talking heads of Michael talking about why he's so attractive to women or why he's handsome or why he's a catch. And they're kind of sprinkled throughout the episode. And I didn't notice them in the script either. I feel like these were some Steve improvs. Or candy bag alts. Yeah, there's like three.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And you even have one that's like as the tag for And I was like, oh my gosh, I bet you must have just unlocked all of these amazing bits of Steve explaining why Michael is such a ladies man.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
That was based on my document that I wrote about Pam. Yeah. That I was like, why is she still with him? Because there's such a mismatch. And I was like, you know what? I think it is. I think it's that her family loves this guy, you know? And when your family likes your boyfriend and the families like each other and she likes his family, it's sort of like you're so enmeshed.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And I remember like somebody, Ken Kwapis or someone asking me questions and I weaved that into a talking head.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, I wonder how many subscriptions to Peacock we just sold in this podcast today.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And this is not a sponsored episode. We don't get anything for this. I mean, we don't get money for the episodes that air on Peacock. But what you have done here is a gift. It is a gift to fans. It is a beautiful thing. And it's just we're so excited that we get to talk about it and highlight it for that reason. Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And Greg was so gracious to have us on set. That was crazy, though, just pulling up and then the first person we see is Sergio. And then we walk a few steps. Yeah. Then we walk a few steps and then there's Kasha. Then we see Kelly Cantlie in the hallway. And then there you are. Yeah. I mean, it just was, it was so special. Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
They are lovely. I feel like I can reveal this one thing because I found it really charming. which is that we also got to tour the writer's space, which was really neat. When I went into the writer's room and they had all the cards on the board, just like we had cards on the board.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
But then I looked over at the episode that you were shooting and there were three photographs from the office and they were shots of us in cars driving.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
And I asked about it. And Kelly said, oh, yeah, that's because we have some driving shots coming up. And we were just looking at for research, how do you shoot in a car? Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
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An Interview with Dave Rogers
Aw, thanks, Dave. Thank you. Dave Rogers is the best. The best. Dave, thank you so much for being in studio with us today. We just love you.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
I know. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next week. Have a great one. Have a good one.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
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Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Angela, please. Are amazing. You are an amazing interviewer. You discussed mini donuts, moisturizing his hands, the knobs in the room.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, you definitely have to post that video on our stories because it's really fun to see as well. I feel like I was there because he was editing Pam during this interview. So I'm up on the screen. It was really cool.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
You do? The first time you hear it, that's me, not the computer. Yeah, and the second time is the computer. I know. It's like, which one's which? You don't know. Should I do it right now? Please, of course. It's so good. That was Angela. That wasn't Sam. No. That was me. Okay.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Well, one thing is for sure, Dave is the Office Encyclopedia, and he is here with us today in studio to talk about how he has taken on the very big task of assembling all of the Office superfan episodes on Peacock.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Yeah, I mean, he shares how they decide what footage to add. And he also, I mean, my gosh, he told us so many treasures that he found while putting these together. It's such a great conversation.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Oh, and one last thing. We also talked with Dave just a little bit about the new spinoff show, The Paper. He is working on that as well. So that was fun. Yeah, I know. I can't wait till he can share more about it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
You have contributed so much to Office Ladies, but like now here you are in person. It's such a treat.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Dave Rogers
Yeah, I mean, how did this come to be? Like, when did they first approach you about creating these superfan episodes? Do you remember that conversation?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
There's also a Stony Clover Lane fanny pack. Oh my gosh, stop it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
That's so interesting. I mean, our perspective was that you were nailing it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah, it was such a fully realized character from the beginning.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yes. Well, the camera was part of my audition. Yes, same. So from even the audition process, they were wanting me to relate to or not relate to the camera, throw looks to the camera. And... Mm-hmm.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
Hello. Hi there. We are so excited because today we get to share our interview with Kathy Bates. Kathy flippin' Bates. We got to Zoom with Kathy Bates, lady. I'm still kind of pinching myself about it.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Well, you're really playing two characters, right? So you're playing this sort of like explain that to people because if you watch the first episode, if you watch the pilot, it's one of the best pilots of anything I've ever seen. I remember seeing the pilot for Breaking Bad and thinking, wow, that was a great pilot. And I felt the same way when I saw the pilot for Matlock.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
The twist at the end is genius. But you had me from the minute you stood at that coffee counter. Yes. And you're bumbling. You get a guy to pay for your coffee. You get the candies and the packets. You're putting your candies in your hand. And you trick your way in to this law firm into their boardroom into a job.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
You guys know that Kathy Bates appeared in eight episodes of The Office over season six and seven. She was Sabre CEO Joe Bennett. And she shares some really fun memories about her time on the show.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Well, the way you talk about it and the way your face lights up and the way you talk about the people and the crew and the experience, it just reminds me so much of working on The Office.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
It had me from the minute, like that first scene in the coffee shop. Oh my gosh. The pilot is one of the best pilots I've seen. I told her that too. Yeah. Well, we want to share a little bit about her new series. Kathy Bates plays a wealthy retired lawyer named Madeline Kingston.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Sure. So I was diagnosed last December, December 2023. In January, I had a lumpectomy. And then I had a reconstructive surgery. I had a breast reduction and lift. And what they were able to do was take some of my own breast tissue and sort of fill in the hole where they removed the cancer. So I was reconstructed on the one side using my own tissue, and then they made the other side match.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And then I did 12 rounds of taxel chemotherapy. I got that once a week. And I did three weeks of radiation. And my breast cancer is triple positive. So it was positive for estrogen, progesterone, and HER2. And so for a year, I received these immunotherapy infusions of a drug called Herceptin, which is a miracle drug that was discovered in my lifetime.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
before this drug was introduced to the treatment plan for women with HER2-positive breast cancers, the survival rate was one of the lowest of the breast cancer diagnoses, and now it's one of the highest. And so I feel very blessed that this is part of my treatment plan. And so I've got a few more infusions of that ahead of me. I get those once every three weeks.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And then I will be on tamoxifen, which is an estrogen blocker, for five years. And that's my treatment plan. So I'm finished with the big three, as I called them, the surgery, the chemo, and the radiation. And now I still have a few things ahead of me. But I... I'm riding waves of random side effects every day. It's a little different.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I don't know if you can relate, but one of the hardest parts of this whole process has been just the intense need for flexibility on a day-to-day basis according to what my body can do. And And that's hard for me because I'm a real planner. I love a schedule. I love to do what I say I was going to do. And so, um, so that's kind of where I am in the process.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
And she returns to practicing law as a way to seek justice for the death of her daughter, Ellie, who died as a result of the opioid epidemic. But now you don't find that out till the end. Of the pilot. Yeah. Yes, that's right. When we meet her, we meet her in her fake identity as a sort of like needy widow named Maddie Matlock. Who had like a crappy ex-husband. Yes.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I got steroids before each round of chemo. And I found that the steroids, the side effects of the steroids... having me be real amped and then crashing kind of right as the chemo would hit me, that was a rough couple of days, yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah, something like 20% of breast cancer patients develop lymphedema. And it's because when you get your breast cancer surgery, something that is just standard is they remove some of your lymph nodes to test them for cancer to see if the cancer has spread that from the breast, those lymph nodes underneath your arm, that's first stop shopping for the cancer.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
So they test those lymph nodes, but they remove them. And when you mess with the lymphatic system like that, when you do that surgery, you increase your risk of developing lymphedema. And, um, And it was something that luckily my doctor did explain to me before my surgery. They educated me on the warning signs about my arm swelling or my legs or ankles swelling.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And my cancer was on my left side and I had my lymph nodes removed on my left side. And they have told me that whenever I get a blood pressure cuff, it needs to be on my right side. And if I'm going to get an IV, it needs to be placed on my right side, because that is just how incredibly vulnerable your lymphatic system is to disturbance.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And she's raising her grandson on her own. And she is raising her grandson, but not on her own because her husband's still living. Stay with me. And her husband is nice. And her husband is great. Stay with us. And she gets a job at the law firm that she believes has hid evidence that could have saved her daughter's life.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I do like how my shirts fit me better now. I'll say that. And my hair, Kathy, after chemotherapy, so before chemotherapy, my hair was... almost all gray. And after chemotherapy, my hair is growing in not gray. Oh, my God. So I heard that people said, oh, if you have straight hair, it might come back curly. If you have curly hair, like it'll come back a different texture.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
It might come back a different color. And you're not having to color your hair.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah, it was hard. When I heard that I was going to have to have chemo, my first two thoughts were, I don't want to throw up and I don't want to lose my hair. That's what I associated chemotherapy with. And I didn't throw up, but I did lose my hair. And it didn't occur to me until it was happening that it is all your hair. It's your eyebrows and your eyelashes and all of it everywhere.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And it's weird. My eyebrows came back real quickly, though. I was happy for that because I was not great at drawing them in. But it's really weird to not have eyelashes anymore.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Herceptin. Yeah, it's a targeted immunotherapy. I mean, really, it's only been out for about 25 years. And it has just drastically changed the prognosis for women with HER2 positive breast cancers.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah, kind of test run. So she's in. She's very excited. I just loved this conference room scene. They're all having this meeting and they're in litigation with this other company and they're trying to figure out, like, what would this company be willing to settle at? Right. What would they be willing to settle at?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I am not. No. And I'm really grateful for that. And after my surgery, my doctor also prescribed some physical therapy. So I was able to get that side moving. You know, it's very tender, though. I have to say of all my scars of...
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
all of the ways that I've been poked and prodded in this process of getting a port and all the things, that scar underneath my arm from where they removed the lymph nodes is the most tender. It's still tight when I try to raise my arm above my head. It is really, truly such a sensitive area.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah. January is the anniversary of my surgery. I look at all you've done in a year. I know. Well, you know, Kathy, I remember you worked right after your chemotherapy. You went back to work pretty quickly. And I read something that you said, which was that it was a little bit of an opportunity to be not a cancer patient. You got to play a character. Yeah.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And I have kept working through my treatment. And I needed that for my mental health. I needed a place that I went throughout the week. And I just laughed with my best friend. And we talked about these great memories of our time on this show together. Because really, truly, it is so many appointments.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
It is so much of my life and my time is spent with doctors and being a patient that I needed a place where I wasn't that.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And all of a sudden, like from the back of the room, you hear her be like, I know the number they're willing to settle at and I'll tell you what it is if you give me a job. And everyone's like, who is this lady? Right. Where did she come from? Right. And then she goes on to explain how she found out the number they're willing to settle for. And it's much higher than this law firm thought.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
How are you doing emotionally? Oh, you're so kind to ask. How am I doing emotionally? I'm okay most of the time, but at least once a week, I get mad because... Every day I feel like I have to swim upstream a little bit. I have to swim against the current just to have a normal day. And it's exhausting. But I am really so very well supported by my husband and by friends, by Angela and
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
But I did notice that there was a real swell of support during chemotherapy, I think because people know how hard that is to get through. And when the chemo was over, some of the support went away. Sometimes I feel like I'm bothering people or I feel like they're gonna get frustrated with me. They're gonna be like, geez, is this ever gonna end with her? And that's how I feel.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I feel like, geez, is this ever going to end with me? But I do still need support. And I think that's something I would want people to know if they have a friend or a family member going through this, is that the struggle doesn't end when the treatments, quote unquote, end, you know?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I actually thought we should listen because I loved it so much. Yes, a great scene. Here it is.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah. I got one that was once a week. Do you recall the name of it? Mine was called taxol. You know, I think that's the same one I had, but only every three weeks. Oh yeah. They can do it in, in other doses. Yeah. They can do it. Yeah. Did you know that it comes from the, uh,
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
No, but can I tell you something? So every time they brought, I'm going to get emotional, every time they brought the chemotherapy in to the room and every time they bring the Herceptin in, My husband would go up to it and he would thank it for being there. He would say, thank you. We welcome you into Jenna's body to do your work. You are welcome here. We are so excited to have you here.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
We are happy you exist. And we welcome you into her body to rid her of this cancer.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
My husband said... He said, if when it gets in the room, we tense up and we hate it and we're negative. He said that it's just he was like, I want us to have a different attitude when it comes in the room. I want us to have an attitude of gratitude. I want us to thank it for being here. And he said, I think that that will that openness in your body to accept this medicine will help it do its work.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah. Yeah. And I can't believe what you said about that tree.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
No one is hired without a two-week trial. What's their ceiling?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Well, that sounds lovely. I'm done. Okay. But Kathy, you've also like traveled the country in an RV, right? Yes, I did.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I'm curious, what was your favorite spot that you visited in your RV? Did you go to a lot of national parks and things?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
It's so good. So good. But I think what I like about the show is how, you know, people doubting you or people not believing in you or people not seeing you, like that can be really hard, but you can also turn it to your advantage. Yeah. Yeah. And make it work for you. And I really like that.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
That sounds lovely. Well, Kathy, you are such an icon of the entertainment business. You're such an icon. And I wondered if we could end the interview by asking you, what is the best piece of advice you received in your career? And what advice might you give an aspiring actor?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah, I love that. I feel like it's sometimes hard to be an artist because you do have to keep that open heart. in order to do the work. But that makes it so that you're, I don't know, it's so easy to get wounded when you have that open heart. So it's such a balance.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Kathy, it was such an honor to work with you. Yes. You know, you did something at our first table read together that I never forgot. You sat down at the table and you had the script and you got out a golden folding fan, the kind that you go like, snap. And you would fan yourself because you were hot. And I thought to myself, one day I am going to earn the right to fan myself with a golden fan.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And so, Kathy, my goal in life is to win a Tony. I want to do a Broadway show. I want to win a Tony. And when I walk up on that stage to accept my award, I am going to get out a golden fan and I'm going to fan myself in your honor.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Well, you know, Angela, we also said we would share a swipe up in our stories where people can learn more about lymphedema. And I would also like to include a link to the breast cancer risk assessment test. It is a test that you can take online at home to calculate your risk for developing breast cancer. And it's kind of based on your age, breast density, family history.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And if you have an increased risk, you can share those results with your doctor, and you might qualify for additional diagnostic testing. For example, if you are at a high risk but you're younger than 40, you might qualify for an annual mammogram much sooner. I have said before that my success with treatment is due to my very early detection, so it's really worth taking the test.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Well, everyone, thanks for listening today. We're going to be back with you on Friday with a special holiday bonus episode.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
She's like, I think people don't notice me, so I hear it all. Yeah. Well, Angela, you have a Matlock fun fact to share with us.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
A little office Matlock connection there. Yeah. Well, something else about Kathy Bates is that she and I are both breast cancer survivors. Kathy is actually a two-time cancer survivor. Kathy was diagnosed with ovarian cancer in 2003 and breast cancer in 2012.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Head over to Masterclass.com slash Office Ladies for the current offer.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
After being treated for breast cancer, she developed lymphedema, and she is now the spokesperson of the Lymphatic Education and Research Network, and she talked with us about that as well. I really appreciated getting to talk with her about this. When you are a cancer patient, there's a language that goes with it. I say to my other breast cancer ladies, like, we speak cancer.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And so I got to kind of speak that language with her a little bit and feel really heard. She was so kind.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Yeah, I really admire her too. You know, she's talked about this desire to be useful. And her character talks about that on Matlock being useful. And that's something that I felt with my own journey. If I could just make
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
this somehow useful yeah it keeps me going i really identified with that when she talked about that but guys it was just an honor to have worked with her and to have her on the podcast we're gonna take a quick break and then our interview with kathy bates This segment is brought to you by Macy's. Hey, everyone. This is your friendly reminder that the holiday season is upon us.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
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Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Lady, I'm so excited that we partnered with them this holiday season because they are truly, actually making my holiday shopping so much easier. I know. Because I have spent so much time with the gift guides. So what did you get your sister? I got her an air fryer. Wow. Great.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
And I know she's going to be excited about it because she recently told me that her kids' new favorite thing to make at home are pan-fried potatoes. But it drives her crazy because of how the oil splatters all over the stove when they make it. Because I think they like to make it, but they don't love to clean it up, I guess. Well, that's usually the case, right?
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
It's kind of like a toy for adults. I feel like it's something you might not buy yourself, but you would love as a gift. Yeah. I have one, too. I love it. Give love. Give an air fryer. You're going to put a swipe up in our stories, too, right? For sure. In general, I love small kitchen appliances. I love a blender, a mini food processor, a rice cooker. That is my personal favorite.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
I'm going to add a rice cooker to our gift guide. I use my rice cooker so much.
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
They've got clothes, accessories, collectibles, and more. One of my very good friends loves Disney stuff. There are a lot of people that collect Disney stuff. They have got a jean jacket. It's so special. It's so unique. You've got Daisy Duck and Minnie Mouse. They're dressed like they're in a marching band. They've got the batons on. It's such a cool jacket.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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An Interview with Kathy Bates
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Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Hi, how are you? Well, thank you. Who's this puppy on your lap? This is Zelda. Hi, Zelda.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
It's so fun to get to see you again after all these years.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
We're good. We're loving this new job of podcasting. Kathy, I only got dressed on the top. Look at this. Just got my pajama pants on the bottom. I didn't even get dressed. I'm still in bed. You are a master podcaster then.
Office Ladies
An Interview with Kathy Bates
Oh, I see. That's how we do it. Kathy, thank you so much for joining us today. We are so excited to talk with you about The Office. about your new show, Matlock. We are huge fans of Matlock. Thank you. Yes, we are loving it, Kathy. Yeah, and we also want to talk about your work with the Lymphatic Education and Research Network. Yes. Do you mind if we start with the office? No, I don't mind at all.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
He is really good at putting IKEA furniture together. I think he kind of likes it. I just want to throw that out there. I think he is excited to do it. I'll ask him. Okay.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
The Converted Garage. And I just love the IKEA list for how to craft the perfect sleep. I love, for example, that they mention sound in their list of sleep essentials, because I actually sleep with a white noise machine in my bedroom. It's a huge part of my sleep strategy. My sister travels with one. Yeah. Yeah. Ich denke so. Ja.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
That's good. That's amazing. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you, lady. You know, everyone, Angela and I thought that it would be fun to break down the all abouts of our office characters on our birthday weeks this year. And my birthday is Friday. That's right.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
If she was going to poison the food of someone at that table, wouldn't it be me?
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Oh, Jim, I don't think you're going to abandon this party here all by itself.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
You can buy new stuff, but you can't buy a new party. That's true.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Oh my gosh, that gets played so often. I really, I felt that deeply. Don't get you hangry. I don't skip a meal. Cassie, was hast du?
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Ja, aber ich meine, wenn du diese Person wirklich magst, dann solltest du sehen, wo es geht.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Let's give Michael a round of applause for emceeing tonight, because this is a lot harder than it looks. And also because of Dwight, too. So... Finally, I want to thank God, because God gave me this Dundee. And I feel God in this Chili's tonight. That is such amazing dialogue. That was all written for me. It is so great.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
You know, in researching all about Pam Beasley for this episode, I found out a piece of information and Bracing. Bracing. And remember that pastor who said I was wrong?
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
There's a deleted scene that was added to the Peacock Superfan episode. Shut the front door. Where Pam and Jim are talking about their lives. Mm-hmm. And Jim brings up the kiss at the Dundies. Sort of says like, oh, but you were, I mean, you were kind of drunk. And Pam says, I know what I was doing.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I know, and I had forgotten, but we did all these scenes up on the roof and we're eating pizza and it was supposed to be kind of like a throwback to when they ate the grilled cheese on the roof. Sure, sure, yeah. And we had all this dialogue where they wanted us to just reminisce about our relationship. And I can't remember if that was improvised or if that was written. I don't remember.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I'm glad you said something. You guys, in our rewatch, I've shared this before, I absolutely love Ryan. I love the way BJ Novak plays the character of Ryan. When I listened to that, his delivery is still so funny to me. We couldn't get through that scene. I mean, we busted up so many times.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
BJ Novak ist einer meiner liebsten Menschen jemals. Ich würde das lieben.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I know, I know. And this is like such a thoughtful gift. And I love this fakey book that I can hide things in. I know. Oh, I love a sneaky book. It looks like a real book. It really does. It's really pretty. Wow, you crushed it on the birthday gifts, Ang.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I have another one. We move. The other tenants follow. The bank takes the building, takes your farm, takes your car and beats the crap out of you. Pennyless you die. And my daughter Cece dances on your grave. Fully clothed. That's such a good speech.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Oh, and you tear up. Mm-hmm. I think it's one of my finest acting moments of my whole career, frankly. And I really credit Ken Kwapis for getting that performance out of me. It was just, I mean, I don't even know how I did it.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Like, perfect. It's so raw. And it really could only occur... Like, if you gave me that scene in a movie and I had to just do that, I don't know if I could have done it. But because I had the history of her story of years of playing this character and I had that relationship with Ken Kwapis...
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
And so much of my reaction was from locking eyes with him and what he was giving me on the other side of the camera. It was that look that like your dad gives you when he's proud of you. And it just melted me. So there were all of these circumstances that led to that moment happening. And I love that we captured it.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Yes. That's so important. He was as invested in my character story as I was. Yeah. Yeah. I love that moment too. Well, lady, now it's my turn to do some sharing. Well, we've started this tradition of each sharing an area of interest about our character.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
But you can, because my character won't be robbing a bank the whole time. It'll just be a bank robber running errands. Yes. Okay. Yes. So who am I when I go to the grocery store? Or how do I interact with the world? So I went to the grocery store as Pam. And I remember this very clearly. I was in line with my groceries and someone cut in front of me. How do you think Jenna feels about that?
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Oh, Jenna would be like, excuse me, I'm standing here. I would. I would say, the end of the line is back there. Excuse me. Yeah, you'd be very fair, but you would let them know. Correct. Yes. Mhm. And so I wanted to basically go out in the world and have people throw scenarios at me and see how Pam might react.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Ja. That's how you handle those line cutters. I just shame them. Yes, exactly. I'm like, matter of fact, information, the end of the line is back there. Polite about it, but, you know. You're like, shame. Clearly this is super important to you, so why don't you have it? We're going to let you have it. Well, interestingly enough, I also went to the movies as Pam. You did? Yes, I did.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Well, maybe I should start sharing what I'm reading and we can do a little like book club with people. I would love to do a book club.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
What did Pam go to see? I don't remember what she went to see, but I have a very distinct memory that when she went up to get her snacks, my snack of choice is Diet Coke and Junior Mints.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I did not know that. That's what I would always get at the movies. Pam ordered a Diet 7-Up and Popcorn. Ja, sie macht es. Sie liebt es. Wow. Okay. When I am working on a character, a lot of times I will create a song list. We all know I made Sounds of Scranton. That was when we were doing the pilot. Well, in between Season 2 and 3, I made Pam Songs. That's what I called my playlist, Pam Songs.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Please tell me you're going to share your Pam songs. I'm going to share my Pam songs. So on my Instagram lately, I've been sharing guitar riffs because I'm working on a song list for the character that I'm going to play in Lee's movie. Right. Jodie. Right. And a lot of people asked if I would be willing to share my Pam song list. So I'm going to do it today.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Now, just to be clear, sometimes songs make the list because of their lyrics. Sometimes it's just the vibe of the music.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
sometimes there's an even more specific reason so here we go first song on the list is phone call number 27 by admiral twin there's like a phone that rings at the beginning of the song oh so it's like you know because pam's gonna be answering phones that's right okay the next song is one by amy man then 50 ways to leave your lover By Paul Simon. Because she wants to leave Roy. Maybe.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Remember, I made this for between Seasons 2 and 3. So this is after Jim has confessed his love at Casino Night. And then she's going to come back. So I was trying to create a vibe for her. The next is called Another First Kiss from They Might Be Giants.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Okay. It says, happy birthday party animal. Love, Sam, Cassie and Angela. I literally love it. Sam, that is the most Michael Scott card. Thank you. Who got the Trader Joe's gluten-free cinnamon coffee cake muffin? I did.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Und dann der Song, Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want von The Deftones. Und ich habe einen Audio-Clip von diesem. Also, erinnerst du dich an den Episode in Season 3? Es war zurück von der Verabschiedung und es ist der eine, wo Pam weint in der Halle und Dwight kommt, um sie zu beruhigen. Ja.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Ich habe gesagt, als wir das Episode unterbrochen haben, dass ich, um zu weinen, Musik gehört habe. Das ist der Song, den ich auf Wiederholung gehört habe. in order to cry in that scene. And here's a clip. Yeah. Okay, that's it. It's like, that song would not make me cry. It's that phrase, please, please, please let me get what I want. Lord knows it would be the first time. It's so visceral.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I hear the pain in the song and it just triggered me. That song is only like two minutes long and I just listened to it on a loop.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Der nächste Song auf meiner Liste ist Come Away With Me von Norah Jones. Und dann der Song NYC von Interpol. So this song is on the list because this is the song that John and I listened to in the parking lot during season two, The Client. So in the episode you hear a different song. You hear Sing by Travis. That's not what we were actually listening to.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
We were listening to John's actual iPod and this was a song. On one of his playlists? Yes. And he was like, oh, here's a good one. So this is the song we were listening to. I have an audio clip. Okay, so that's a good piece of trivia.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Yes, that's what we were swaying to in the parking lot. And I would like to thank John Krasinski because I could not remember what the song was. So I texted him and he remembered. And as soon as I turned it on, it was like a time machine. I heard that and I was like transported back in time to shooting that scene. It was so wild. Yeah. Musik macht das. Es ist wirklich mächtig. Es macht es.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Okay, also hier ist der Rest meiner Liste. Somewhere Only We Know von Keen. Cruel to be Kind von Nick Lowe. Somebody to Love von Queen. Through Any Window von Willie Wisely. Danny Says von The Ramones. Our Love von Rhett Miller. Und One Down von Ben Folds. Und ich weiß nicht, kannst du Playlists teilen?
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Listen to me. Here's the funny thing. You guys, I do not make playlists in my real life as Jenna. I don't make I just don't. I listen to podcasts. I don't listen to music. But weirdly, when I am playing a character, they get a song list and music is a huge way into character for me.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
If you have to play Jenna Fisher in a movie one day, your playlist is nothing. Silence. Your playlist is the news. That's what I listen to.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
And... I love you and hate you for this. Because they are so delicious. But they are like... Don't read the calories. I know. Don't read it. It's your birthday. It's your birthday.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I believe that. Yeah, that tracks for me. I'm not sure if that means the documentary was about her. I want to hear more. Okay.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Wow. There you go. Well, thank you. I love these muffins and I will not buy them for myself. So thank you. But gift accepted. Sure.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Well, I remember talking to Greg about this when I saw that I had the last talking head. I was so honored and nervous. And he said that he always kind of thought the documentary crew was following Pam, that that was true.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Nun, du weißt, dass die Dokumentation nicht aufhört, wenn Michael verlässt. Ja. Und ein paar Leute verlassen auch in Season 9. Und die Dokumentation wird nicht aufhören, wenn sie auch verlassen. Du weißt, Andy geht weg und es folgt ihm nicht. Right. Kevin. Ja, genau. And you know, the documentary crew does capture a lot of private moments for Jim and Pam.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
They do follow Pam out of the office quite a bit. I mean, the cameras are there for the birth of the baby. I know. The cameras are there for the proposal, for the wedding, you know. I mean, I know they went to these personal events for other people, too. When Pam found out she was pregnant, they were there. Yeah.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
But I do have one piece of evidence that I think contradicts this theory, which is that... They don't really show much of her at art school. And that's kind of a big thing for her to have done. And they don't show much interest in her. So I believe that this documentary really was about a paper company. I think that is what is the main subject about the lives of people in a paper company.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I think that's true. Well, there you go. Well, I loved your area of interest. Should we take a break? And then we're going to come back and you've got a Q&A for me, Angela. I do.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Well, here's what I can tell you. All of my scripts... My breakdown, everything from the beginning of me being part of this project. My name was Pam Beasley. Not Pamela. Nope. But I did reach out to Greg, because he always has a good story for how he picked someone's name. Yeah. First of all, he confirmed that this character's name has only ever been Pam Beasley. There were no other alternates.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
But here is how he came to name her. Pam to me has a Midwestern sweetness that felt right, and I liked how similar the Jim and Pam sounds are. Oh, then they're both three letters.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Greg. I love him. So that's how he came up with the name. I love it.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I don't think she would have gone on a date with him. And when she said in that game, who would you do? And she said Oscar or Toby, she was just saying that because she couldn't say Jim. Right. I don't think Pam ever saw Toby that way.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Oh, Erin, I absolutely loved Season 3 as Pam for this very reason. I loved Season 2, but I just love Pam figuring out who she is away from Roy and away from Jim. Ich auch. Ich dachte, es war wirklich wichtig. I know one of my favorites. What is it? Michael Scott Paper Company. Yes, I actually pulled a fan question that I saw from Audrey D. in Lafayette, Louisiana. My birth town.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Yes, who said, Hi ladies, I'm 15 and a huge fan. I was wondering, at what point in the show do you think Pam was at her happiest and most authentic? For me, it seems like the Michael Scott Paper Company arc. Well, I have to agree with that too. And I liked that we had these moments on the show where we got to see Pam flourishing separate from her love relationship. Yeah.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
And I made a list of a few others that I just loved getting to do on the show. My nothing to do with Jim storylines. Lice. Lice. I mean, I guess it kind of has something to do with Jim, but. It's really about Pam and Meredith. It is. And I loved it. Everything party planning committee, especially the dueling Christmas parties. Yes. I loved her relationship with Karen in that episode.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
But oh man, there's some good ones. While I also loved Big Pregs Little Pregs. Yeah. I love my cold open with the chore wheel. Yes. And Pam's just like love of order and chores and things that spoke to me.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
And I loved the episode Vandalism when she teams up with Dwight and they are like paint the truck and all that stuff. I just love that. And then I just, I loved every, every bit of her relationship to Michael. Yeah. You know?
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Schau dir den Pam Teapot an. Oh mein Gott, es ist ein Teapot und es hat eine Liste und einen kleinen Pinsel und ein bisschen Hot Sauce und einen kleinen Timer. All the things that were in the teapot. I know.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I'm Jenna Fischer. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Lovers Podcast just for you.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Well, Matt, I appreciate this question because a lot of the role of Pam Beasley is nonverbal. You know, it's a lot of reacting. Yes. And so I had to really say a lot without a lot of dialogue. So I went back to a couple of exercises that I did in acting school. One of them was called Private Moment and it's an exercise in stillness.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
You have to come to class and recreate an ordinary moment and try to do it in front of people as unselfconsciously as possible. It's supposed to be a moment in silence without any speaking and also something that you would normally do alone. But it should be very ordinary and very simple.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
So it could be as simple as putting on shoes in the morning or brushing your teeth or washing your face or sitting on your bed and writing in a journal. And you just have to move through that moment without trying to push it all.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Yes, completely non-performative in any way. Ja. Ja. We do this in our life all the time. We can sit in a work meeting and we're literally talking, but also making a grocery list in our head. It's like we can think one thing and say another thing. So that was another thing I brought to Pam.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
And early on, I would write her interior monologues in my script and I would actively think them as if they were like alternate lines for my brain. And that's how I tried to get certain things to play out on my face when I didn't have dialogue.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
So like if there was a moment in the script where I was supposed to steal a glance at Jim, I would think to myself, don't look at Jim, don't look at Jim, don't look at Jim. And then I would look at him. And I would sort of hope that that would reveal how much Pam really wanted to look at him. Because I would be thinking, don't look at him, don't look at him, don't look at him.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Which is why I think your character was so layered rather than like that one note of bitchiness. You always had your secondary emotion that you were playing.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Wow. This is fun, Angela. But this is also getting me excited for when we do all about Angela Martin and celebrate your birthday.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Yes, yes. And I saw this question as well, Angela, and I'm so excited to get to talk about this, because people ask all the time about my chemistry with John. And for a long time, when the show was on the air and even afterward, people would get upset when they learned we were not a couple in real life. I know, people still want to believe it.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Und ich habe dieses Interview einmal gemacht, wo ich über all das in einer wirklich knusprigen Weise gesprochen habe. Und ich wurde dann verabschiedet und all diese Klickbait-Artikel wurden viral. Und die Verabschiedung hat sich über und über wieder reprintiert. Ich habe es sogar in einem Buch gesehen, Angela. Ich meine, ich erinnere mich an das.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Yes. Since we're talking about this. I mean, this is the time. I was on Watch What Happens Live, which, by the way, is a show that I love. And Andy Cohen is amazing. Such a fun show. Also from St. Louis. Yep. So this is no reflection on it. But a fan called in to ask how John and I had such great chemistry while not being a couple in real life. And I said this quote. I looked it up, Ange.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Here is my quote. Direct quote. Yes, I said this quote. There's like a real part of me that is Pam and a real part of him that's Jim. And those parts of us were genuinely in love with one another. In real life, we aren't totally Pam and totally Jim. So in real life, we're not like the perfect match. He was like a type of spouse that I had for a long time.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
How do you even have a Pam Sass T-Shirt? I thought you only had Angela Sass. No, I bought Pam Sass too. You love the Sass.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Well, is it misquoting or is it clickbaiting? Yeah, it's clickbaiting. I feel like it was clickbaity. I mean, I know why it was hard to describe it. It's because you don't want to let people down, right? Yes, I was always afraid to tell people that in real life we're just friends. You know, because the fandom for Jim and Pam is so strong.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
But yeah, we were just great scene partners and we had this... Deep mutual respect for one another. That's it. We never dated or anything. Just friends. But oh my goodness, Angela. The clickbait.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
I woke up to my phone blowing up. And it was not just tabloids. This was everywhere. It was like every website and on TV shows. It was insane.
Office Ladies
All About Pam Beesley
Why are you allowed to take three words and turn it into a new context? I don't know. Is what I don't understand.
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All About Pam Beesley
Now we're adding emotion to it. Yes, and it goes on and on like that. All the articles just pulled the phrase genuinely in love as if the context of what I said wasn't important. Mm-hmm. I never said we were genuinely in love.
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Oh, his phone had been blowing up too. And I was like, John, I was clickbaited. And he said, oh, I know. I read the whole quote. And you guys, you have to know that me and Lee are good friends with John and Emily. Yeah, you guys have done vacations together. You've done playdates with your kids. Yes. And John says, you know, I actually have a press junket coming up.
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So I'm happy to say that you were misquoted. I know. I was like, John, no, everyone's going to ask you about this now at this press junket. He said, don't worry about it. I'll say you were misquoted. And I said, that's great. Just simple. She was misquoted, guys.
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Okay, well that did not go well either. After he tries to set the record straight, all these headlines come out that say, John Krasinski says he was not in love with Jenna Fisher. But all the stories still imply that I was in love with him. So that news cycle goes out. That's not helping. No, and so now my phone is blowing up again and John calls me and I'm like, hey.
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We have a lot to eat and drink. Thank you everybody. This was wonderful. I feel this is a great birthday kickoff.
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And he's like, I am so sorry. I was trying to help. And at that point I said, just forget it. Just forget it. I'm never getting rid of this. And of course, here I am talking about it again. And I guess probably opening myself up to more of this clickbait bullshit.
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I guess my long answer to the fan question, when did I realize that I was part of one of television's greatest love stories and how did that feel then and now? Well, I realized pretty early on that people have a strong attachment to Jim and Pam, but I never really thought about how that attachment might become sort of weird with global news stories, clickbait articles and stuff.
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Well, you know, I remember early in my career for a really long time, there was this misquote about me that was in an article I was doing about animal rescue. And I had said in my interview that during my time in animal rescue, I said that I had rescued and rehabilitated and found homes for 12 cats. Well, the article just said I had 12 cats.
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So like for years when I would do other interviews, they would ask me about my 12 cats. And I would have to say, I don't have 12 cats.
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We know you love tacos. Do you ever arrive places and they've put tacos like in your dressing room because they googled you and they know how much you love them?
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That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm saying. Well, I think it's on my Wikipedia page. It might be. Your love of tacos and my 12 cats. I said it one time. And my genuinely in love. Oh, lady. Well, listen, the bottom line is I am really proud of the work. Ja. Ja.
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Oh my gosh, there are so many. I mean, I love the injury. That's kind of where it starts. I loved vandalism. But my favorite Ich weiß, es klingt verrückt, aber ich denke, Dwight ist der Einzige, der mir die Wahrheit erzählt. Dwight, bin ich jetzt heiß?
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And I can we take this opportunity really quickly for me to explain. Yes. So I worry that maybe I have misrepresented the show Bible or maybe I have because I had never really seen it. So the show Bible is simply a list of. Ja, das ist wahr. Das ist das, was im Kanon existiert. Ja. Aber ich muss sagen, es ist wirklich lustig, es alle listet auszusehen, weil du Dinge vergessen kannst.
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Hm. Ich denke, Jim lügt mir, dass ich nicht zu Kathy attraktiv bin.
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Yep, that's the Dwight I need. I love it. I love that scene. You know, we all have that friend who can really give it to you straight. Yeah. And it doesn't hurt your feelings and you actually need it because the rest of the world is gaslighting you. Yeah. And I love that scene. And then, of course, this episode has the whole Mike Tibbetts runner, which was so much fun to shoot.
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No. It is my honor to have played Pam. I'm getting choked up. I don't know why. What a legacy. I do not need more. I don't. I don't need more. I remember being at Greg Daniels' house at dinner and the show was coming to an end. And I said, I have no more career goals. This was it. I wanted to play a character that meant something to people on an ensemble television comedy and I did it.
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That's all I wanted when I came to Los Angeles. So it's my honor to be remembered for doing that thing. I mean, who gets to do that? What a gift. What a gift. I do want to win a Tony Award, though. I do have a new career goal. Well, you know what? A late in life new career goal.
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Du weißt, das Quote, ich habe es gesagt, ich habe es nicht geschrieben. Das ist das Herz von Greg Daniels. That's the message he wanted people to take from this character and this beautiful arc that he crafted along with all the other writers for me to play. And I mean, letters like that are exactly why I don't need to be remembered for doing anything else.
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Vielen Dank, Sam, Cassie und Angela, für meine Geburtstagsfeier. Letztes Jahr wurde ich 50 Jahre alt und ich habe keinen großen Geburtstag bekommen, weil ich eigentlich in Chemotherapie war für meinen 50. Geburtstag. Also dieses Jahr ist ein extra spezialer Meilenstein und Sie haben es am besten ausgelöst. Vielen Dank. Na, lasst uns ein paar Kekse essen. Lasst es uns machen.
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Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss-Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
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Lady, I walked into the studio today and I had to take a picture because the point of view, my microphone, it has a mountain of goodies. There are flowers, there's gift bags, there's muffins and a card with dogs and birthday hats, which I can't wait to open. I mean, my goodness.
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I loved it. Do you ever think like what if you had like a show Bible for your life? What would the entries be?
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You know what? That makes me think of those journals that are like one line a day journals where you're supposed to just write one line a day. I always start those and I get about 15 days in and then I forget to do it.
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Well, lady, thank you. Why don't we go to break? And when we come back, we'll keep talking all about Pam Beasley. I'm not gonna lie, everyone. This is triggering my social anxiety a little bit. Why? It's such a spotlight. It's like my birthday and it's all about Pam Beasley. And I'm feeling a little...
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So we went to Ikea and we got everything you need to make a nice cozy retreat. Well, Ange, I just love how thoughtful you were in putting this room together. And IKEA points out that sleep is very personal. In fact, IKEA sells six sleep essentials. Sound, light, air quality, comfort, declutter and temperature. So this is their thing.
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And they say creating your optimal mix of essentials will help you to relax and will contribute to better sleep. So I have to ask you, Angela, how did you apply the six IKEA sleep essentials to your design of this room? Well, what's so funny is that I didn't even know I was doing it, but I did it.
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Oh, yes. Well, listen, why don't we take a break? And when we come back, it'll be time for some subtle sexuality. I think Keanu has some subtle sexuality.
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So if I had to plan a good Valentine's Day, honestly, I think it would just be like maybe they get to finally go have a nice dinner, maybe go to a Philly basketball game. I don't know. Maybe they could do like a brunch date and then go to some art museums. I guess it depends on who plans it. Exactly. I know what they don't want to do on Valentine's Day.
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They do not want to be in a thruple with Robert California.
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Yeah, of anyone on the show, we know Phyllis is having a good Valentine's Day. Yeah. Michael would probably want to be the center of attention. So he would like take his date to his improv show. Yes. That would be his gift to her. To make her watch him do improv. Yes. That was Cassie's idea. I absolutely love that, Cassie. Well, Macy's really does fit so well into anyone's Valentine's Day plans.
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In fact, I have a pitch for people this Valentine's Day. If you haven't gotten them anything, you could make like a little coupon for like a shopping spree. Oh, that's fine. And then you just take them to Macy's and you can sit and watch them try stuff on or like smell the perfume or whatever it is, but like a shopping spree date.
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You know, you often hear about like the red flags to look for in a relationship. But what if, what if we like changed that focus and started making a list of the green flags that we were looking for in friends and partners? You know, like more like instead of framing it, here's what I'm avoiding. Be like, here's what I want to run toward. Okay.
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Hello, we are back and we're going to start breaking down this webisode. So Nate told us that when he and Jonathan were approached to write the next set of webisodes, Mindy pitched an idea that Kelly and Aaron were creating a Twilight fan fiction movie. So Nate and Jonathan worked with her to develop that idea. They kind of landed on a structure where we would see the making of the movie.
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And then the final webisode in the series would be Kelly and Aaron's short film. Well, I guess the folks at NBCUniversal were worried about clearance issues. So they had to go back to the drawing board. Nate and Jonathan brainstormed some other areas that had that same kind of structure. And they pitched the idea that Kelly and Aaron start a girl group and make their first music video.
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Well, Nate said Mindy loved this idea. Right. Fun and sparkly. And so did the execs at NBC. And so they were given the green light to write it.
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Mm-hmm. Got it. All right. Well, we start with part one. It's titled Creative Differences. We find out that most of the office is away at a software training program. I guess this is how they explained why we're not all in the background.
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They sent you, Angela, to represent accounting. Clearly. Well, this is when we're going to find out. that Kelly and Aaron have decided to film their music video. We find out that the name of their band is Subtle Sexuality. We go into the kitchen and we see a shot of Kelly doing Ryan's makeup for the shoot.
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Cracked me up. Then Ryan has a super douchey talking head. Oh, yeah. He's explaining why he's participating in the music video. And he's like, what can I say? I love music. And then he goes on to say, in fact, if he had to choose a life without sex or a life without music, he would choose a life without sex. I don't believe him. Well, he says, girls will find other ways to take care of me.
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All right. Now we're going to move to the parking lot and we're setting up our first shot of the music video.
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Yes. Ryan comes out. He's very impatient. He's like, my blood sugar is low. When are we getting to me?
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I also want to point out that Kelly has a splint on her finger. It's on her left pointer finger. This will pay off later. Yes. Also, lady, when I was watching Mindy try to smoke this cigarette in this scene, it was making me laugh. Did you ever have to smoke for a role?
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I had to smoke in a movie. I had to smoke a lot in this movie called A Little Help. And I loved it. It was just a great part. It's a really great movie. And I was so afraid that I was going to look like a non-smoker, which is what I am. Right. For all the things you're saying. I mean, I'm sure a real smoker, they can probably tell right away. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, I started smoking as soon as I got the part. I just started slowly smoking. Like what? Like those... I couldn't do the fakies. I couldn't do the fakie clove cigarettes. So I had like a four-month period of my life where I smoked cigarettes. That's insane, lady. I know. Insane. Yeah. Was it gross? Do you want the truth? Or do you want me to say what I should say? Cassie?
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I think I know what you want to say. There was a lot about it that I liked. OK, well, you don't smoke, everybody. You know, there was a lot about it that messed with my sinuses. And I was like, by the end of the four months, I was like, this is I can't do this and I have to quit. And I did. And I'm glad I did. But you smoked for the movie. And I smoked not just on camera. I mean, I had to smoke.
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In my life, I would, you know, practice smoking while I drove my car because I had a scene where I had to smoke in the car. And then I had a scene where I was walking down the street talking to someone. So I would practice that. I had to practice lighting cigarettes because I wanted to get all the business correct.
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But, you know, I really enjoyed having a cup of coffee and a piece of chocolate cake and a cigarette. I'm not I mean, I'm so sorry. Sounds so I don't know. It sounds so gross to me. It was so good. And I mean, I feel so bad saying this. Children don't smoke. But yeah, it was something about it. And it was, you know, it was relaxing all the things why people get addicted to it. I get it.
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I get it. But I stopped because it also would make me wake up and I would blow my nose and it would be like brown. And then I would have a sore throat and I would cough. I mean, it had a horrible and a short period of time had horrible effects on my health.
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The next webisode in this series is called The Replacement.
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Erin is trying to calm Kelly down when Kevin approaches. And he says, you know what? Do you need someone to step in for Ryan? Because I'll step in. I'll do it.
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Kelly still has a splint on her finger here. Still on her left hand. Still on her pointer finger.
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No, I agree. And I was wondering... If Ed, like, just already kind of had that skill or if he read the script and was like, oh, boy, kind of like you with the improv. Because that happens. Like, sometimes they'll write something for you to do and you're like, wait, what?
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Well, I remember when they were getting ready to shoot this, that they were singing the songs on set between scenes.
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Like they were actually working on this stuff. It was really fun.
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Yeah, because they had to like lip sync it. Yeah. Well, listen, Ryan is going to interrupt and he's finding out that he's being replaced. He is not happy about it.
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All right, so now it is time. Part three of this web series is the music video. It is the music video for Subtle Sexuality's song, Male Prima Donna.
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Eve Nelson wrote the music for this song. She was our go-to music person. She is an Emmy Award-winning composer. She also wrote the original music for the song in Scott's Tots and all of the music for Threat Level Midnight.
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Is that from when they were recording the song? Yes. And you can see Eve there, too. Listen, not only is this song amazing, I can't get enough of the costumes in this music video.
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This was where they went in a new direction. They're dressed as like, yeah. Yeah. Sexy pirates.
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But then there's also a few shots of them as they're lip syncing and dancing to this song where they're just in their work clothes.
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There is a portion of the music video that finally explains the splint on Kelly's finger. Erin has a lyric that explains it. I thought we should listen. Yeah. She got stitches. It really hurt. I love it. What's interesting is that at one point there's a shot of Kelly and the splint is on her ring finger. Oh. Not her pointer finger. It traveled. Yeah. Not sure which finger was injured.
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Okay. Andy, clearly in the story of making this video, didn't have a lot of time to put a costume together. So what he's done is he's kind of transformed his work outfit into a costume. So he's wearing his T-shirt and he's wearing his same suit jacket, but he's ripped the arms off. And then he's wearing his tie. And he's tied his long sleeve shirt around his waist.
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Yeah. So it's kind of flowing. He has also just cut off the bottom of his pants. Why? So it's an interesting look. Andy's portion of the song is pretty fabulous. I thought maybe we should hear it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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At the end there, Andy's harmonizing with himself. Yeah. And they do this special effect where there's like three Andys in one shot.
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It's great. So now... Ryan comes in and his outfit is pretty incredible. Angela, do you have a breakdown of this one?
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So she's handling the power very well. Cracked me up. You know what I love about this is that Mindy had a real vision. I mean, you can hear the detail and the research that she put into this look and this music video and how it was going to look. I mean, it's really phenomenal. It's really well directed.
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This is what you think. You thought I was going to dress like subtle sexuality?
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It's really pretty fabulous. The whole thing is pretty fabulous. And that's it. That's the end of this webisode, Subtle Sexuality. We're going to take a break. But when we come back, we are going to talk about Subtle Sexuality's follow-up music video, The Girl Next Door, and their making of documentary.
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Well, I wanted to wear this because I love it and I don't care that it's Christmas themed. The holidays are over, but I didn't get to wear it in the holidays. So I'm going to wear it today. I'm bringing that energy into the new year.
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Yes, the first supplemental video they released was a making of like a faux documentary of the band called Part-Time Band, Full-Time Legend.
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Yeah. Pushed any further. There's a chyron on the screen that says Kevin Malone, Scranton music critic.
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Yes. Kelly's talking head, she's titled as lead singer. And she's going to explain, they were just kids, you know? They didn't care what they were singing. They just wanted to be original.
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And then Andy has this talking head. His title is the Nard Dog. He's going over, like, what does he love about subtle sexuality? And he just sort of says it's like an opportunity for him to express his musicianship and his sexuality all at once.
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Yeah, I was about to get on the highway and I saw my tire gauge go red. It was almost flat. I had enough time to stop, fill it with air and then drive it to the tire place. Where you met several folks that work at the tire place were in this Keanu Reeves sweatshirt. I did, but let me tell you something. They got me fixed up in 20 minutes.
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like the talking heads that you see like during like a bachelor or bachelorette show exactly like a reality show where they go to talk about if they got the rose or not and they're surrounded by candles and some backdrop yeah Mindy thought of everything so the next part of this documentary is going to reveal it's showing us their popularity and so Kelly and Aaron are in the conference room they've got a table full of merch there's a line out the door of people who want their autograph yeah
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Lady, did you see who was first in line? Tom Melby. Tom Melby. I know. We loved him. He was like our, what would you call him? Everything. He was like our everything man. He was like our handyman. Our superintendent, if you will, of the property. And his house was right behind our studio. Yeah. He was the person who would go in and water the plants when we were all on vacation. I know.
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I ran into him recently. We were out at a farmer's market and he was there. He was sitting and he was having a margarita. Yeah. And I said, Tom Melby. And he couldn't believe it. And we got to chatting. He was so sweet. He just said how much he loved our book. And he just is a dear, dear person.
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I just love that he's in this webisode. Me too. So listen, this table is full of merch. There's CDs and people are wearing subtle sexuality t-shirts. I was like, oh my gosh, where is all this? I wish I had a subtle sexuality t-shirt.
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Oh my gosh. I love it so much. And they're different. You put different images.
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Lady, I am going to say it right now. This is your superpower. What you just did with these t-shirts and bringing it in for everyone. You're always bringing in gifts. Do not let this go to live a normal life this year, okay? Keep this going in this year.
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And I think it's thanks to Keanu because when I walked up and I said, hey, I got my tire, I think is... Can I please take your picture so people know what you look like right now? He pointed at my sweatshirt and he laughed and he said, that is amazing. Oh, I love it. And we were just, we hit it off from the beginning.
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All right. So listen, now we're going to have a series of talking heads where everyone is kind of reflecting on the popularity of their male prima donna hit. Yes. They're so funny. My favorite is Ryan's. I have to play it. Okay.
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Like his delivery of it is so funny. I know. It's just so good. So good.
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Yeah, but that's not the only drama that befell the singers of Male Prima Donna, Angela. Yeah. We now learn that they've kicked Andy out of the band. Yeah. Which Andy doesn't seem to know. Yeah.
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And now Kelly and Aaron are going to announce that, you know what, despite all of this drama, they're moving forward with their new song, The Girl Next Door.
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So that ends this making of documentary. And next, they released the song and music video, The Girl Next Door.
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Amazing. And Erin had her own thank you section. Here is who she wanted to thank. Kelly Kapoor for letting me express myself through the song you wrote. Ellen DeGeneres for teaching me how to dance. Ryan Howard for being so nice. Andy Bernard for being so nice. Michael Scott for hiring me and giving me the best job in the world.
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That nice man that called the ambulance after I fell out of the tree. Thanks, whoever you are. Those were her thank yous.
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Yes, this music video was also directed by Mindy Kaling, and it was written by Kelly Hannon, Jonathan Hughes, and Mary Wall. I should have said before that that making of video, that was written by Kelly Hannon and Jonathan Hughes as well. And directed by Mindy. I think so. I couldn't find a credit for it, but I'm assuming directed by Mindy.
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Was an office fan as well. Oh. Told him about our podcast. Took a photo. I told him I'd throw it up in our stories since he was my hero of the day. Oh. Amazing. Well, listen, that wasn't going to be my top of show share today. I actually have a fun one if you don't mind taking another minute. I saw this meme, lady. What? I saw a meme. Remember memes?
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All right. This is me as Rye. So are you coming to my basketball game tonight? It's the state finals.
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Oh, okay. But wait, everybody. Now Erin is going to enter in a very sexy strapless party dress and she just kind of like struts past the table.
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It's really amazing. I mean, the whole music video is just like Mindy sort of pining away for the popular guy who's completely obsessed with Aaron. She's like rides a bicycle with the basket in the front. I love Mindy's look with this, the pigtails and the glasses. And she's wearing this pink hoodie, but sometimes a yellow hoodie.
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Yeah. My personal favorite shots are when Mindy is like singing behind the window and it's like the rain is dripping down. But if you look beyond just the pane of glass that she's singing in front of, there's like no evidence of rain. It's like sunny in the parking lot and even the windows next to her. It's amazing.
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He did. Did you notice there is this one part where Aaron is like making out with Ryan in front of Kelly's desk? And I don't know if you could tell, but I think it's really obvious that they are not actually kissing.
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It's not a gif. No, it doesn't move. Okay. And it says that what you should do to find out your fortune for the year 2025 is you should look up what movie was number one at the box office when you turned 10 years old. And that movie is like Your fortune for the year.
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I have this whole backstory that it was because like Kelly didn't want Aaron and Ryan to really kiss in this music video. Oh, absolutely not. It's very funny.
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They had not been dismissed yet. Yes. Is what you're saying. Exactly. Right. We were not promoting a group that hazes. Right. Into their own dismissal. That's right. Got it. That was very liar, liar of you, Angela. That was sort of keeping with Cassie's theme of the year. That was utter truth.
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It was. It sure was. I think it's a real kick in the nuts, I don't know, for Andy that one of their tour stops was at his alma mater and he's not even in the band anymore. I have a feeling.
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Lady, all of this music video stuff, it got me thinking I was in a music video and you were in a music video. I know. Isn't that crazy? Being in music videos is super fun. Yeah. I was in a music video for the old 97s. It was for their song Good With God. It was actually directed by Lee. What'd you do in it? Well, I had this fun little moment at the top.
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We did one of these things like they did with Girl Next Door where there's like a scene that leads into the music video. Yeah. And it was starring me and Fred Armisen and the band. Oh, wow. And so the premise was that I was going to be like interviewing the band for my music show called An Hour and 60 Minutes.
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Because I know he plays drums. He's a drummer. He's really good. So we were like, how about we have Fred sit in as the drummer while you guys film this music video? So he did. So Fred is drumming in this music video for real. And then so for the top bit, we were like, how about the bit is that we ask Fred to sit in as the drummer and we say you don't have to say anything during the interview.
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But then Fred keeps answering the questions as if he's a band member. Yeah. And he sort of takes over the interview. It was really funny. It was so fun. What a great pivot. It was a lot of fun. But Fred is a good friend of ours. He was in Lee's movie Ordinary World. We know him. Yeah. He's awesome. He could make me laugh reading the phone book. He's so funny. So funny.
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And of course, Rhett and the band are amazing. The old 97s. I mean, I love them. They're great.
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I looked up all of our birthdays, and I can tell you everyone's fortune for the year. Really? Mm-hmm. All right. Angela, your movie is Superman II. Oh. And in Superman 2, Superman gives up his powers to live a normal life with Lois Lane at the exact same time that three big villains are let onto the planet. The ones dressed all in black? Yes, and they don't have their, he doesn't have his powers.
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It's a great song. Did you get paid? Is it your first like professional on-camera gig? If it was pre-LA? Yeah. Is this your Jurassic Park water ride moment? Yes. Was dancing repeatedly to this song?
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Well, before we go, everybody, we did have some fans send in a bullshit card about this whole episode series. Oh, bulls**t card.
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Let's hear it. You mentioned it in our intro. Fans said they think it's crazy that Kelly, Ryan, and Aaron were in a band that made two music videos, and this fact never made it into an actual episode of the show.
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And listen, finally, in researching this webisode, I found the most amazing fan tribute video. It's phenomenal. A group of women hired a professional videographer and they recreated the male prima donna music video shot by shot.
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All right. Well, everyone, there you have it. That's our breakdown of subtle sexuality. And before we go, yesterday was World Cancer Day. And I'd like to mention an initiative that I'm supporting called Screening Time Off. I am so glad you're doing this. Well, I think you guys know my breast cancer was discovered during a routine mammogram and ultrasound.
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I had been putting them off because, well, it's annoying trying to find time for cancer screenings and doctor's appointments. But luckily, I went when I did. My cancer was found early and it was treatable. But if I had waited a few months longer, things could have been way worse.
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So that's why I'm trying to get the word out about the Screening Time Off program, which encourages employees to take time to step out for screenings by asking employers to join Screening Time Off to take the pledge that you will let your employees off to get these screenings.
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Yes. So get your screenings, everyone. And if you would like to be the world's best boss, do you see what I did there? I do. You can learn more and sign up at workingwithcancerpledge.com. I'll share all of that in our stories. Well, thank you, everyone, for listening. And a big thank you to Nate Fetterman and Joya Balfour for sending us so much great stuff about this episode.
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They were like in a little triangle, but like an asteroid hit it or something, and they all came to Earth. They all came to Earth. You remember it. So listen, Ange, I think the moral here is do not give up your superpowers this year to live a normal life. We need you.
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Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
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I can make this. I've made this. You've made this. I make Josh's recipes all the time. I do his baking recipes. I do his one sheet meals. Oh, my gosh. He's got soups. I know.
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I promise you're going to love it too. All right, Ang, I loved that. And now, Sam, it's your turn.
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Here's yours. Okay. D2, The Mighty Ducks. Oh, all right. Oh, okay.
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Yeah. And here's what happens in that. You know, they're high on their wind, so they're kind of leaning into their fame. Mm-hmm.
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And they have to get back into training so that they can take on Iceland. Oh. So I don't know what this is, Sam, but I think. Iceland's coming for you.
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Okay. Cassie, your film is Liar Liar. Hey, that's a great one. So I think this year you won't be able to tell a lie and this will lead to hilarious hijinks.
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Oh, that's a great one. Yeah, I actually I turned it on this morning and watched a little bit of it with my breakfast.
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I don't know. Here's what I think. I'm going to have a year of political and social drama, lots of stressful situations coming at me constantly, all of which can be solved with a little dancing.
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And I'll say I loved having a little side of Kevin Bacon with my eggs this morning.
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See what I did there? You did a dad pun. You did it. I wore Keanu, but this Christmas, Sam, maybe it's Kevin Bacon. Maybe Kevin Bacon on a sweatshirt.
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Thank you. All right. That's it. Well, that was a fun meme. Yeah. So, everyone, you can find out what your fortune is for the year by finding out what movie was number one at the box office when you turned 10 years old. Have fun.
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Yes. This webisode starred Mindy Kaling, BJ Novak, Ellie Kemper, Oscar Nunez, Ed Helms, and Brian Baumgartner. Here's a little summary for you. Kelly and Aaron form a girl group called Subtle Sexuality, and they produce their first music video for their song Male Prima Donna. The music video stars the two of them, Anne Ryan and Andy. Oscar is annoyed, and Kevin is looking for a way to participate.
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She really did. She really came through. So you guys remember when we shared about the accountant's webisode, we talked about how incredibly popular these webisodes were. I mean, groundbreaking, award winning. Well, Subtle Sexuality continued the trend. Subtle Sexuality ran on both NBC.com and Hulu.
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And Joya Balfour told us, to this day, Subtle Sexuality remains the most streamed web series of any scripted show on NBC. And it beat all but three of the network's full episodes during its first week online. It also became a number one music video on iTunes and the number four single.
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Well, fans couldn't get enough of this Aaron and Kelly storyline. They even had a follow-up song and music video, Girl Next Door. You can still watch all of this on Peacock.
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Yes, we're going to break all of this down. And I wanted to share, you know, the first webisode series, The Accountants, was written by Paul Lieberstein and Mike Schur. It was directed by Randall Einhorn. Subtle Sexuality was directed by Mindy Kaling. And it was written by our writer's assistants, Nate Fetterman and Jonathan Hughes. You guys might remember Nate Fetterman from Stress Relief, right?
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When we broke down that episode, he had the makeout scene with Cloris Leachman, and he shared his story with us. It's a great story. If you want to go back and listen to it, it's awesome. Well, we reached out to Nate again, and he shared a bunch of stuff with us that we'll be sprinkling in today as we discuss these webisodes.
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You're like the person lowering the curtain at the end of the show.
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Wait, did you when the tire went across the stage, did you finally go to black? I did. OK, so you got his signal.
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Didn't Greg Daniels go to a few of those shows? I mean, maybe not Dave's in particular, but...
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Welcome to Second Drink, your little escape from the holiday frenzy. This week, it is sexual harassment. And in this episode, we meet Todd Packer for the first time. Now, we had heard his voice on the phone, but this is the first time we meet him. And we talk all about the character of Todd Packer, and Dave Koechner shares his memories with us.
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And we're back talking about the sexual harassment episode. Here we go. Here we go. Buckle in, everyone. Buckle in, as they say. In rewatching this episode, Angela, I was very uncomfortable. Yeah. I was more squirmy during this than Diversity Day.
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But then I was squirmy during Hot Girl. I think that I had forgotten how really cringy and uncomfortable the show can get sometimes.
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How did this show get on the air? I mean, I know this particular episode got on with a warning, but in general, what was going on?
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I know that Kevin Reilly, who was at NBC at the time, was a huge champion for our show. I really credit him with us sticking around. He believed in us. And there were a lot of people there who didn't get it and who didn't think that this was a good idea.
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The episode begins with Michael walking up to Jim's desk to see if he has received his hilarious email forward. Michael has a talking head where he declares himself the king of forwards.
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Oh, that's always so hard to pick up a scene with lunch in between.
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But Angela, you said you found something that we missed.
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And John lost it. You and John had a great relationship on the show. You guys were big brother, kid sister. And it was so sweet. I loved your banter. And I loved just, I don't know, you guys were really cute. You would tease one another.
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So next up, Todd Packer comes in the office, and boy, does Dave Koechner own a room when he enters that room.
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So he was doing a little bit of an impersonation of Ricky.
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Oh, yeah. So in the BBC version, David Brent has a friend named Chris Finchie. Finch, and they call him Finchy, and he is the Todd Packer of the British show. Basically, it's just this one-sided best friendship. And if you can believe, Chris Finch is worse than Todd Packer. He is worse. If you watch the British show, you think it can't get worse than Todd Packer.
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If you're looking for that, check out the British version.
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I remember when he came in, I was legitimately shocked and stunned. Yeah.
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And he was so loud. And so a lot of my reactions to him are real. They're like, what? Why are we shouting? What is happening?
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Oh, I love that, Dave Koechner. Okay. Now it's time to talk about that famous Jim talking head with the phrase, what has two thumbs and hates Todd Packer?
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All right. That joke of like, what has two thumbs and likes blank. And also the very famous line from this episode. That's what she said. Those are not original jokes. We did not make those up. BJ Novak did not write them. BJ said those are things that he just heard in college as a college student, and he kind of dusted them off and brought them back to this episode. And then they took off.
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And that's what she said had actually been on SNL. Chevy Chase had a bit where he said it. It was in Wayne's World. But the origin of that joke is a British joke. But the phrase isn't, that's what she said.
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The phrase is, as the actress said to the bishop. Okay. Did you like mine? That just rolls off the tongue. Yes. But it dwindled in popularity. It was kind of no longer in use until Ricky Gervais brought it back. He used to start saying it. He used to say, as the actress said to the bishop. But it never quite was the same as that's what she said.
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Oh, you have to. I know. Someone start needle pointing a pillow right now, please. I'll do it. I like to needle point. Will you needle point me? That's what she said. Okay. That's what she said. Okay. Oh, 100%. Here's another cultural reference from this episode. When Ryan takes Todd Packer down to the parking lot to drive him somewhere because of his DUIs, he has a WL hum.
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Yes, I have this on a card. Which, of course, Todd Packer wants everyone to think, says...
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But Ryan says, oh, are you a big fan of William Hung? Do the millennials out there know who William Hung is? Do they get this joke? I wonder, because this was a very like... Topical of the time kind of joke. Yes. So William Hung was an old American Idol reference. He was a contestant and he gave this... Horrible yet very committed rendition of Ricky Martin's She Bangs.
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Bless his heart. It was so pure. So honest. He was like an engineering student. Yeah. His secret passion in life was this thing. Well, this was before social media. And yet this went quote unquote viral.
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This video of him auditioning. And he became a huge sensation. He went on tour. Yeah.
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I had to look it up because when I watched this episode, it brought up the memory of that.
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Yeah. I think it was supposed to be a Mustang and they couldn't get one. And so it got changed to a Corvette. Well, it's perfect. It is pretty perfect. Also in this episode, we learn that Pam's mom is coming into the office, and little Pam just keeps sneaking looks at the door. I know. It's so cute. Pam loves her mom.
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Okay, well, I'm already feeling defensive. Okay. Pam loves her mom.
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Okay, Ange, what's next? I have another Dave Koechner story. Oh, great. Is this another one of the stories you didn't record on your phone last night?
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He was like, yeah, I got the call. I was filming Snakes on a Plane. Well, I do know that they had to really manipulate the schedule in order to make it work with him. Yeah, because he was filming Snakes on a Plane. Yeah, we got him for one day. We had to film all of the Todd Packer stuff in one day.
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One of my favorite scenes in this episode, Angela. Yes, yes. Is when – I have two. Okay. They both involve Toby. Oh, yeah. Okay. The first is when Toby reveals he has to do a review of the sexual harassment policy. One thing I noticed was I felt like Toby was super excited that he was going to get to run – Something for a change and that Michael had no choice. I don't know.
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I just watched the scene a couple times and I felt like I could see this little like happy glint in Paul's eye as he was explaining to Michael that he was going to do this period. But I also noticed that Toby's presentation happens in the bullpen. Yes. It does not happen in the conference room.
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And if I remember correctly, it is because we decided that Michael would allow him to have his presentation, but not in the conference room. Not in his space. After no circumstances. Maybe I just made that up in my own head.
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Toby is clearly, ever since he got thrown out of the conference room, has not been invited back into the conference room. I watched the deleted scenes for this, and there is a runner of Michael talking heads where he's just talking about how much he hates Toby in different ways. Oh, my gosh. It's so good.
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I have to say, for anybody out there who is wishing there was more Office or wishing you could watch more of The Office, you actually can. It is the deleted scenes. I have been enjoying them so much. So really, look for them because just these runner of talking heads from Michael were wonderful.
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Oh, yeah. You guys won an Emmy Award for your webisodes. I know. We won an Emmy.
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Well, that is BJ Novak for you. He writes the best descriptions. I mean, he's the one that wrote in Diversity Day that when Pam falls asleep on Jim's shoulder, it's as if a butterfly had landed on his shoulder.
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We can take a Pop-Tart break if you need to. Angela, you want us to take a break so you can have some Pop-Tart?
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Baby, you want to have some Pop-Tart? Yes, I want to have Pop-Tart. All right, guys. We're going to take a break so Angela can have more of her Pop-Tart.
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It's not gross. It's a Pop-Tart. No one wants to listen to someone chew and swallow. That is maybe something she said. All right, we're going to break.
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Yes. It was a runway show where celebrities walked a catwalk with their dogs, and the dogs were wearing the fashion. So the celebrities were wearing whatever they showed up in, and the dogs were dressed in outfits. It was kind of a hot mess. And the money went to the Humane Society. That's why we went.
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And you were invited with your dog. I was invited to bring my dog, Wesley. And Angela, this was your first red carpet. We talked in the Dundies episode about how I walked the red carpet for 40-year-old Virgin.
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But for Paws for Style, you did walk the red carpet. Yes.
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I remember meeting her out by the red carpet. I remember Wesley and her dogs. They all smelled each other as they do. She was very nice. Very nice. I have great photos from this night.
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Now, I'm going to say something. You always really do look good in turquoise, Angela. Thank you. It's a great color on you. So I think in that way, you styled yourself well. Thank you. I think you can tell because you texted me the photo of you on the red carpet. I think you can tell that. How can I say this? That you'd never done a red carpet. I mean, you look a little bit different. Stiff?
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Listen, you guys, we didn't know anything about red carpets.
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That's some Pam sass. Good Pam sass. Well, we also got a letter. A lot of people wrote in to ask if we heard the goat sound. There's this scene outside the warehouse where the guys are heckling Michael. Listen, I don't hear the goat.
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We didn't have anyone advising us. Well, do you remember, Angela, after this event, we... saw the pictures, and we decided we needed to get better at this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then do you remember that I had read somewhere that the reason that Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen always look so cute on the red carpet is because they say the word prune while the photographers are taking their photograph.
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The idea is that it makes you look really pouty and sexy. So we decided at our next red carpet that we were going to say prune the whole time. So it was like,
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Yes, he comes out of his office. He makes a grand announcement. He's retiring from comedy.
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Well, also, as Steve is leaving and he's being pushed back into his office by Jan and the lawyer, he blows a kiss.
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We've talked about how it's really hard to fake laugh. Yeah. It's harder than fake crying. Oh, for sure. Steve is one of the best at the fake laugh. For sure. So we skipped something that I definitely want to go back to. Okay, what? When... Michael crashes Toby's presentation and he walks in with the blow-up doll. Oh, yeah.
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Do you remember the days and days of those guys trying to figure out which blow-up doll should be the blow-up doll?
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So it was like, should she have on – an outfit? Should she be wearing underwear? Should she be wearing a bikini? They had a variety of blow-up dolls. This is a weird thing about working on a television show or in a movie or anything are the really just very matter-of-fact discussions about odd things. I remember seeing our props master and Greg and I think it must have been BJ and Ken Kwapis.
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But there was a group of people looking at different blow-up dolls and having a very matter-of-fact discussion about what is funniest.
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It's like, what is our life? And then Michael has a lot of comedy with that blow-up doll. I love that part when we're jumping around here, but when Pam's mom does finally come in and Michael walks out of his office and like chucks it out the door. He's mad. And like a grandiose statement. Yeah. But also in the scene with Jan, it's hiding up on top of his credenza. Mm-hmm.
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And Jim has this talking head with the blow-up doll. So the blow-up doll got a lot of play in this episode. It was very important that we pick the right one.
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Okay, something else I want to mention, unrelated to the blow-up doll. When Michael takes over the sexual harassment seminar, there is a great – deleted scene where Michael goes on this runner. Did you see it? Where he says it's about him and Pam. And I remember shooting the scene and I couldn't get through it.
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This was a different runner where Michael says, all right, take for example, Pam and I are dating. And I say that would never happen. He goes, no, it's happening. Pam and I are dating. And I'm like, I'm engaged. He's like, Roy died. And I'm like, even still. And he's like, then I would kill you. He's the now Roy and Pam are both dead. Look at what sexual harassment seminar got us. I did see that.
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It's just like a very funny thing. I actually did see that in a montage.
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Yes. And then just Michael just like really pushing this like hypothetical situation where he and Pam are dating. And that comes up every once in a while. Every once in a while, there's a little thing where Pam has to deal with Michael's hypothetical that there's a world where maybe they're dating. Oh, oh.
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And what about in that same scene, Phyllis's line, where she asks if you have to disclose one-night stands?
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Let's talk about my other favorite Toby scene. What's that? At the end of Toby's seminar, he says, if you have any questions, you can come speak to me. And Dwight goes to him. And they have that big, long conversation where Dwight is basically asking about female anatomy and sex. Yeah, it starts around 12 minutes. I have it on a card. A lot of people asked about that scene. Was it scripted?
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Was it improvised? So when Dwight asks, where is the clitoris? That is where the scene was supposed to end. So everything after that, those were all Reign's improvisations. And they shot that scene for about two hours.
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Great. Oh, there I heard it. I heard it because I think I wasn't watching it. I know. What is that? Is one of the guys making that sound?
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I wondered the same thing. And people pointed this out. Dwight seems very comfortable around women and hot girl. He doesn't seem to have any of these hangups necessarily. And then now suddenly in this episode, he's revealing maybe the truth, which is that he doesn't know so many things about women.
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Ah, I think that's what it is. Oh, Angela. What? This is the first episode where we finally see the real outside of the Dunder Mifflin that we will come to know and love. Oh, when Michael goes down to get jokes? Yes, when he goes down to meet the warehouse guys. Well, you see it. We see the parking lot. Yeah. When Ryan takes Todd Packer down.
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But then you really see him come down through the lobby and outside and around the corner. And he's talking to all the warehouse guys. I thought that was so cool. I did, too. I thought it was great.
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So the point of that scene, because I was texting with BJ about this, the point of that scene was that Michael would go down to ask for jokes, and then the guys in the warehouse would actually start sexually harassing Michael. Right. So that's the point. They start commenting on his appearance and his pants.
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Yes, and all that sort of stuff. And yet somehow this does not land on Michael. He learns nothing from being the recipient of harassment. He's just frustrated they didn't give him a good joke he could use. Yeah. But then later, all those same warehouse guys are called up to the conference room, and they have to watch a sexual harassment training video.
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Well, I think that sexual harassment video is amazing. We shot that. That's not a real sexual harassment video. Joel wrote in and asked, did the actors in the sexual harassment video know they were auditioning for a sitcom, or did they think it was just an educational video? That's an awesome question. That is an awesome question.
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Oh, my gosh, Sam. No way. You know, it's funny. I could hear a horn honk in the background. So I'm like listening so intently. And then, yes, there it was. So clearly a goat. Well, finally, when we broke down this episode, I shared that there was a very funny runner in deleted scenes where Michael is just going off on Toby. Just like it goes on and on and on.
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They knew that they were going to appear on The Office, but they were told to pretend like they were making a real educational video.
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They were amazing. And we shot that in the actual writer's offices.
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He's so proud of himself because he's hired James P. Albini. the guy from the bus stop to be his lawyer. I love that scene. Actually, that's a really great scene to watch if you want to nerd out on the camera work and the way that the camera helps tell the story on the office.
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Because that whole entrance of Michael's lawyer, the way Michael's lawyer looks directly at camera and gives a little plug for his business is pretty great. But the camera work in that scene is really incredible. Also, in that scene, Toby, where he's sitting, he's not been invited to sit there. Sort of in the- In the circle. Yeah, he's off against the wall. It's a great scene to watch.
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So now we finally have to talk about the scene where Michael stands up to Todd Packer, otherwise known as the boner scene. The boner scene. Todd Packer is making this joke about someone attending a nymphomaniacs convention.
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And Michael sees that Phyllis is hurt, and he says that that was inappropriate. He says something. But then Todd Packer challenges him, and he's like, I mean, Kevin— Kevin, you should not say those things about Phyllis. And then he goes on this whole speech about how Phyllis is great and how he loves Phyllis. She's like a grandmother to them.
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I love that. I love that. And that fact comes back to haunt Michael all the time. She is constantly reminding him in the series that they went to high school together and It's a really sweet scene. And he hugs Phyllis. And then he says the only thing he's afraid of is getting a boner. A boner.
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It really did. It really did. And I think that there was this way where... I don't know. Do you think Michael's redeemed in that moment a little bit because he stands up for his group a little bit?
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Angela, you just referred to the boner scene as the scene where the writers give Michael a little bit of a growth moment. Oh, no. That's perfect. That's perfect. Okay, now let's talk about the scene with Pam's mom. We said a little bit about this earlier. Angela, you expressed your disgust that this is her first visit. Okay, I just am saying, like, where have you been, Mom? That's all. I get it.
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I get it. But there is more to say here. Yeah. So first of all, Pam's mom was played by Shannon Cochran. And a lot of people wrote in and said, what the heck is up with Pam's mom? Why is she played by one person in this episode and then another person later on in the show? I will tell you. we wanted Shannon Cochran to come back. We cast her as Pam's mom.
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We intended for her to always play Pam's mom. But then we didn't need Pam's mom for a really long time. Shannon got a theater contract. She was a touring theater actress with, you know, Rain. Her and I had a lot to discuss.
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That's right. And she wasn't available. And so we had to recast her for those later episodes. And It was a really weird thing because the integrity of our show was so important to us. There was this rule for a very long time that we couldn't do any stunt casting. Yeah. I don't know if people know what that means.
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Yeah, so stunt casting means when you bring on a guest star and they're a big-name guest star. Now, of course, obviously, in later years, we broke this rule. Will Ferrell...
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On and on. Yeah. But for a long time, we had this rule against stunt casting, and this kind of fell into that. Like, once somebody was established to play a character... They were that person or they didn't come back. The reason we broke the rule with Pam's mom and recasting is because the writers came up with a storyline that Michael would date Pam's mom. Do you remember that?
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Oh, how could I forget that? Right? I know. And Pam ends up slapping Michael. But this storyline idea was just too good to pass up. So they decided to recast. And I hope that helps people with the whole two moms question. So I want to talk a little bit about the scene when Pam's mom finally arrives and you see Roy enter.
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Like stream of consciousness. They have been added to the end of the super fan episode for sexual harassment. It's really fun. I think we should hear them.
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His sweater. And he does that little dance to charm Pam's mom. So I'm going to let you in on a little bit more of my actor prep here.
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Yes. Okay. What is it? Well, you know, I had my Pam document and I was always asking myself questions about Pam that I thought were a mystery and I would answer
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These are the kinds of things you learn in theater school, Angela. You can suck it. These are the things we're encouraged to do. I took some theater.
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Well, in my document, I had asked myself the question, how did Pam and Roy end up together anyway? So I've answered sort of why I think they're still together, but how did they end up together? They seem so mismatched to me. Here was my backstory. Pam's family owned an appliance shop in downtown Scranton, like in the town square. And Roy, in high school, got a job working at the appliance store.
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And he was a great worker. He was very charming, as in the Roy you just saw here in the sweater. And so that was how their worlds collided. Because Pam was probably this little nerdy art student in high school, so I couldn't figure out how did she meet Roy. Who was probably a jock. Yeah. Yeah. And this was how. He was very charming, and he asked her out, and they started dating.
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But because he worked there, like, the families became very enmeshed. They would barbecue together. So this is why and how she kind of can't get out of this relationship, even though now it's clear it's a mismatch. It's because the families are so conjoined.
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Not very often. And then Pam's mom has the moment in this episode where she whispers, which one is Jim? And you see John Krasinski's face. He's all... pleased that he knows now that Pam... And by the way, in Casino Night, we know Pam calls her mom on the phone to share about what happened in the parking lot.
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Oh, and it's true, everyone. I know. Dave is just a sweet, sweet, sweetheart.
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It's got to be hard to believe that he is not like Todd Packer for some people. To imagine that if you met him, he is just the warmest, nicest, wonderful gentleman. I know.
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That was sexual harassment. We did it. Next week is Office Olympics with special guest director Paul Feig.
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Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
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Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.
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With special guest Paul Lieberstein. And now here is sexual harassment. I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch Podcast just for you.
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Welcome to The Office, ladies. Welcome, everybody. Today, we're talking about the episode Sexual Harassment. Oh, it's a doozy. And if you're listening with your kids, we're going to try to keep it clean, folks. Yeah. Maybe you want to pre-screen this one.
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I mean, the subject matter alone. I know. Well, they had to walk a line when they were writing and making this episode, and we're going to walk a line today. Talking about it. Angela, I see you're eating a Pop-Tart.
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I didn't know cinnamon or brown sugar. It has some brown icing on it.
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This has been a sticking point in my friendship with Angela for a long time, which is that she can eat things like Pop-Tarts.
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All right, guys. Today is Sexual Harassment Season 2, Episode 2. This was written by BJ Novak and directed by Ken Kwapis. You've probably heard those names before. I want to point out in my first Fast Fact that BJ Novak... wrote Diversity Day, and Ken Kwapis directed it.
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Yes, they are paired together again. I guess Greg assigned BJ the script of sexual harassment because of the good job he had done on Diversity Day.
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Oh, well, and then Ken was asked to direct it. I think it makes sense. Ken Kwapis is such a gentleman. Mm-hmm. BJ is so smart. He's able to walk that line so well. I think this was the perfect coupling to bring this episode to life. I do, too. Michael's crude friend Todd Packer comes into the office and starts harassing everyone. Kind of a twofer there.
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And also, you know, after reading the scripts, the network originally wanted to air sexual harassment as our season premiere for season two. I know. Probably good that we eased into that one. It is because this brings me to my second fast fact, which is that this episode originally aired with a warning. It did? Yes, which is very unusual for network television. Oh, I didn't know that.
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It aired with a warning before the episode that said, this episode contains adult content and subject matter.
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And you know why? All right, parents, this is where you're going to want to start.
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Earmuffs. Earmuffs on the kids. It all came down to the word boner. Yes. With Phyllis. With Phyllis. The scene with Phyllis at the end when Steve says something like, no, I'm just afraid I'll get a boner. The network wanted to change it to, What is it, Wayne's World?
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NBC is like, let's make it Wayne's World. Let's make it a schwing. I'm afraid I'll get a schwing. Yeah. And BJ fought to keep Boner in the episode. The warning was their way of having a compromise. We were surprised that Clitoris made it in the episode.
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OK. But even still, even with the warning, there was one network in Kentucky that refused to air this episode.
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Moving on. We can talk more about that scene later in the episode. We can really. I have a lot to say about that scene. Oh, gosh. More? Okay. My third fast fact is that we get to meet Todd Packer. Finally! Yes! The Todd Packer in the flesh comes into the office, played by Dave Koechner.
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Well, it's just that that's sort of like when my mom wrote me my first email. Yeah. She called me on the phone and said, why haven't you responded to my email that I sent you? Yeah. And I said, well... I never got your email. What email address did you send it to? And she said, I sent it to you. I sent it to Jenna. And I said, I don't understand.
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And she said, I opened the email box, and it said to, and I wrote Jenna. She just sent an email to Jenna. That is very similar to what you've done here with the record button on your phone.
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Angela had to move seats because she has so many note cards.
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Okay, that's great. Something I'd like to expand on is what you were saying about Steve Carell starting at Second City in Chicago. I think a lot of people, don't realize the long journey that a lot of us took before we landed on The Office, and in particular, Steve Carell. He was doing comedy in Chicago on Second City for a very, very long time.
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And then he and his wife, Nancy, they moved to New York City because she had an audition for Saturday Night Live. And she got it.
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And their dynamic in Anchorman was amazing. Their chemistry there was amazing. But it makes sense because they had been schlepping through Chicago to New York to L.A. together doing comedy for close to 15 years.
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And you were in those circles, Angela. I never got into that. I never did the comedy improv sketch comedy thing.
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Well, I have said I feel like he has a bowl haircut for a long time.
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He's so good. And actually, Jenna and I both know Tim, and I was able to connect with him this week, and we hopped on the phone and talked about this episode, and he was so delightful. So I have some fun Tim tidbits for this episode, and I'll get to those here in a minute.
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I did a pilot with Tim Meadows for Fox called The Gabriels and Rob Riggle was in it. And we had so much fun. He is so hilarious. He's a hoot. Did I just say he's a hoot? Am I a nerd? You did say he is a hoot.
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Right. Unknowingly. Sort of have a convention within the workday that they would somehow end up on a date.
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I am in check it off the list mode. It is pretty funny, though, because you're saying something and then I'm just looking at you and you're like, that's it? You got nothing? I know.
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I bet the first time you're like, what's going on? I did because I had forgotten. But yes. Well, there is a deleted scene where Jim reveals his worst first date. You got to hear it.
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I agree. Jinx. Okay. Well, Melora, can we ask you a little bit about what it was like filming those scenes in that Chili's? I mean, how did you get through those scenes? I was dying laughing.
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Tim Meadows. He's actually a friend of ours. He was so great in that.
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Well, I have to move us along. Yes, we have another fan question that I'm actually dying to hear because when I rewatched it, I was like, oh, my God, I forgot how long you and Steve kissed.
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Well, Melora, there is a scene in the Chili's I thought you did such a phenomenal job in. It's at the end of the night, and you guys, you've had a few drinks, you're over it. They're having beers and talking, and you're just sort of checked out. And then you realize that Michael is about to close this deal. You see what he's doing, and you perk up, and you look at him with this smile on your face.
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And that was the moment for me that I realized why she... even entertained being in a relationship with Michael. She saw that side of him and was like, oh my God, he's crushing it. And it totally made everything make sense for me.
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I mean, it is like one of the best episodes ever. And you're so phenomenal in it.
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All right. Well, great. We'll see you for dinner party, lady. All right. I'll see you then.
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Okay, can we talk about Michael and his jeans? Yes. Oh my gosh, this cold open made me laugh so hard. I just think it's really funny that when Michael is dancing around in his jeans, there's this tiny spy shot of Angela Martin's head that's to the left of the potted plant while Michael is dancing on the end table. And she's just looking there snarky.
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But I'm so short, my head barely comes over the partition. And so there's the plant and then my head. Just for like a split second at 18 seconds. And then back again when he's goofing off, I'm like judging him from the copier. So Angela Martin is just being placed in these little spaces in the background judging.
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No, this is the one time. I said also there's some real great Pam sass in this cold open because what do you do at the end? You just chunk his jeans under the- Chunk them? Yes, you just, you flip them over and you toss them.
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There is. Also, how long in my life have I been saying things wrong, and now I'm just learning about it all on the podcast? I don't know. Oh, God. Okay.
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Yes, I have that on a card. I thought it was so funny. The Radisson. Too snooty. Too snooty. Too snooty. Too stuffy. I have two note cards from this scene that I have to bring up. Oh, well, then go. I mean, at a minute, 16 seconds. You guys, Jan has hot pink nail polish. She does? Yes. I think Angela Martin is probably judging her. I mean, you know, she judges her, but...
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Hot pink nail polish in the workplace, I'm just saying. And then a minute 31 seconds, Jim has a talking head, and he says that if we get this big Lackawanna account, we might not have to downsize. But didn't we just downsize in the Halloween episode?
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The woman. Yeah. Yes. I have this on a note card. I'm like, Oscar is telling this like kind of horrible date scenario where he went on a date with a woman. So did... Did the writers not know that they were going to make Oscar gay yet? Or is Oscar kind of covering in front of his coworkers?
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He really loves having nice Tupperware. He bakes a lot. He is a baker and a chef. And I went to Macy's home section and they had amazing Tupperware. So I got him a set of that. And then while I was there, I also got him a new skillet. He's going to be so happy. And Josh, I know you listen to the podcast, so sorry. Now you know.
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Because we would go steal their snacks. We would steal their snacks. But they also do sit at a table with computers as well.
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And then that it was Roy. Yeah. It totally supports the backstory you made up that he bought Sea-Doo's with the money you were going to plan your wedding with. Yeah. With his brother. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. I thought it was perfect. At three minutes, 35 seconds, in the background, there is a mail cart, like a rolly mail cart. Oh, yeah. It's there a lot. No one ever pushes it.
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Really? I don't know, guys. We don't have a designated mail person, though, that comes around with their mail.
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We don't. I feel like Pam handles all the mail.
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Well, and they named the character after Cece. Yes. The other two were already happening. Yeah. But that one was all you.
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I think that's so cute. All right, ladies, should we take a break?
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I'm paring down my note cards. I've collected myself. I'm no longer laughing at you when you just simply look at me. Thank you.
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I'm going to take a sneaky photo of your face. Don't you dare. Lady, you do. I have to do the impression. Ready? This is my impression. You be me.
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Look down at your note, whatever you're doing.
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Ready? And those are my fast facts. Nothing? You have nothing? Angela, this is a podcast. You're supposed to talk. That's my impression. But did you see my face? Barely. Those are my fast facts. And those are my fast facts.
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And then he goes on to say, you don't know Scranton at all. It's like, well, maybe, maybe you don't know it.
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Well, they probably had the same moment when they saw a palm tree or two every once in a while. They'd be like, wait, what's a palm tree doing in there?
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When she says no gold, Steve's face as Michael, when he whips around and goes, no gold. Like, you see everything in him go electric. Yes. Is gold dead? Do you want to talk about it? Are you okay? We're in a meeting, Michael. Michael, we're in a meeting.
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Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so good. Oh, man. Steve is so good in that scene.
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You hold your paper up so I can't see it, but my note cards are right here in front of you.
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Five minutes, 47 seconds. Megan, may we have an awesome blossom, please?
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I think that Michael... Every flight attendant. Yes, I was going to say, I think Michael knows the name of every person he has to interact with. Yes. And it's his pleasure to get to know their name. And I love that he knows the waitress is Megan.
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Oh, I love it. There were no endings. I bet the writers had a lot of fun with that. Just writing the first line of a joke that they know they don't have to worry about the payoff. That would have been fun.
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Did he really? He made the drawings himself. Oh, my gosh. I could see him sort of sitting on the side quickly drawing them.
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More realistic, yeah, that Michael would do that.
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Okay, well, two things. Number one, here's the actual joke that Michael tells. At the Chili's. At the Chili's. Here's the actual joke. Well, I'm an astronaut, so I drive a Saturn. Second guy says, I'm a pimp, so I drive a cheap Escort. Third guy says, I got you both beat. I'm a proctologist, so I drive a brown probe. Yeah.
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And that's the line that like makes Christian, the client, just roll over laughing. How about it's seven minutes, 36 seconds. They're all eating this awesome blossom with no drinks, not even waters. Megan, where's their waters? Megan? I mean... Those are kind of salty.
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So I don't know. So I actually asked Tim this as well. I said, Tim, can you tell me a little bit about where you filmed? Because we're trying to figure out if it was where we filmed the Dundies. And he said, well, I can tell you this. It was like this really gross out of business restaurant in a kind of sketchy area. So maybe it was the same.
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And he said it was gross. Yeah. Because no one had been in that building in so long. There were like little nooks and crannies of it that were kind of dusty and corrody.
Office Ladies
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Yeah, I couldn't tell either. But Tim's description of it kind of brought me back.
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That is a crazy thing. Hey, how was your day? Well, I had to make ties with mouths on them, like a bunch of different mouths.
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Okay. Can we get to one of my favorite scenes, which is nine minutes, seven seconds, the baby back ribs? Yes. All right. I was so excited to talk to Tim about this. Now, a lot of you guys wrote in and said, was that improvised? Was it scripted? And here's what Tim said.
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Tim said the beginning of that song, when Michael starts off singing, was in the script, and in the script that he was supposed to join in at the end. Okay. Baby back ribs, right, at the end. And he said when they started filming it, Steve started to sing, and it just kind of wasn't working when Tim joined in.
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So Tim started doing the other part, just kind of improvised that, I want my baby back, baby back, baby back. And then it was like lightning bolt. Off to the races. We've got it. And he said one of his favorite moments, it's in the bloopers, and I went and watched it, is he goes to do his, I want my baby back. And Steve just improvises, no, you come in later. And he's like, oh, yeah, right.
Office Ladies
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And it's so funny. It's a great little moment in the bloopers.
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Well, I actually said to Tim, I was like, Tim, you and Steve had such great chemistry. How long have you known each other? And he said, we've actually known each other a really, really long time. So they met... A long, long time ago before any of them were famous, when they were really young, they were all at Second City in Chicago. And they also did ImprovOlympic.
Office Ladies
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And then Tim was cast on SNL with Nancy Carell and Dave Koechner.
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Right? But he said, honestly, he said when they became really, really tight and got to know each other is the summer when he had off from Saturday Night Live, all of those guys were went and did a Second City tour in D.C. And they were there for the summer. And he said that was so much fun. He said they would do their show. And then after the show, they would all stay and do an improv set.
Office Ladies
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And he said it's some of the best improv he's ever been a part of.
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Yeah. And Tim said, I was like, who was in the cast? And he said it was Steve and Nancy, John Glazer, Adam McKay, Teresa Mulligan, who I know, who is hilarious. And they just had the best time.
Office Ladies
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Yes, I remember. One of the things I remember is that you and I going to watch Saturday Night Live And we got there and we were sort of hanging out with everyone, you know, before they're kind of getting ready. So we just said hi quickly. We went to our seats. And then afterwards, we went back in their dressing rooms and hung out like another half hour.
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Then we went to this like after party that they have after every one, every taping. That was really cool. But then Chris Parnell was like, guys, do you want to go to the after party?
Office Ladies
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And I was like, wait, isn't this... The after party? And he goes, no, no, no, the after after party. And then we went to the after after party. And it was like in this bar, Jenna, that looked like a forest. It had all these trees. And you and I, like, I think I just had on like a denim dress I got at the Gap. And like everyone was dressed so cool looking.
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And I turned to you and I was like, it is three in the morning.
Office Ladies
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I remember going up to Chris Parnell and being like, so I think we're done. He's like, all right, guys. They were still there.
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The other cast that I ended up talking to quite a bit who I really thought were fantastic was Community. Oh, yes. That's right. Everyone in that show was just so cool and fun. And I loved getting – when we got partnered with them, you know, to do press. Well, bringing us back to the episode, you know that scene where they're eating the ribs?
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so funny that is so funny and just makes me like love our show because I felt like we were just like this little this little engine that could this little team of like we need two people to make slurping sounds oh that happened all the time all the time you have some more stuff about Tim though what do you want to say
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Well, I just asked him if he had heard of The Office and how he came to get the job. And he said that he was a humongous fan of the BBC version. And he said that when he got the call about the show that it was not a hit, right? It was kind of early on. It was still sort of like, what is this show about? And he said in inner comedy circles, people were like, the show is really funny.
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So he knew it was funny, but it was like the world didn't really know about this show yet. And he was kind of busy and he was like, I don't know, guys. I don't know that I can do it. And so he initially said no. Oh, he turned it down? Yes. And then they called back and- Tim said his theatrical manager's assistant was like, Tim, this show is so hilarious.
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And he was like, all right, all right, all right, I'll do it, I'll do it. And he said he's so glad he did. Of course, he had the best time with Steve.
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Yeah. And usually the director was the narrator. They would read all the stage direction. And on Threat Level Midnight, Jim is the narrator when you guys all read it. And he casts Oscar as Goldenface. But when Threat Level Midnight is actually made, Jim is Goldenface. Yes. Yes, that's right. It's a little catch there.
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I actually like that talking head because it helped it make sense for me because Samuel L. Chang was actually dwecked. That's right. Well, here's the cast that we see in Threat Level Midnight at the table read. Now, it's more fleshed out and things have changed once it's an actual movie. And we see that in season seven. Yeah. Phyllis is Catherine Zeta-Jones. Dwight is Michael Scarn.
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Oscar is Golden Face. Ryan is Samuel L. Chang. And that's the only people that are cast in what we see. Everyone else is sort of sitting around, but those are the ones that are called out.
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Even Phyllis, when she said, I have two things to say. First thing is I love you.
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I love that. But you could definitely tell the beginning of the scene was scripted getting you into it.
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Back at Chili's, guys, let's have a little bit of an adult beverage time code count. Oh, dear. So at 7 minutes 59 seconds, Jan orders a vodka tonic. We never see this vodka tonic. Oh, that's right. Yeah. At 8 minutes, 35 seconds, they all have margaritas. So is Jan on her second drink? At 13 minutes, 44 seconds, Michael and Christian are having beers.
Office Ladies
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Jan looks like she's having a water with lime. I can't tell. It's in a tall glass. Maybe that's finally her vodka tonic. I don't know. That's our adult beverage count for those of you who love the background stuff like me.
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I have so many questions. I have so many technical questions. Okay. And then I have some just, you know, fan of the office questions. What do you want to know? How did you get up on that roof?
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is very dry. That's right. I think I do know that. So you can do the thing that's on the ground. Yeah. But that's it. Yes. So they were like the sparkler thing on the ground.
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Oh, at 14 minutes, 34 seconds, I have a note card that says, old tech alert. What? Because it's an iPod. Yes. It's an iPod and you guys have like the little headphones where you each take a little ear. It's so cute.
Office Ladies
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Okay, that's one of my questions too, Matt. So what was it?
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That's at 15 minutes, 21 seconds. It is the big smooch. Yes, the big smooch. All right. So- I feel like there's just this brilliant moment, and I don't know if it was written or if Steve improvised this, that just shows how over the moon giddy Michael is that him and Jan just kissed and that she said, let's get out of here. He's so giddy.
Office Ladies
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And I wrote down the scene because I thought it was so adorable. It's at 15 minutes, 21 seconds. Jan says, Jan is sort of like, all of a sudden camera aware, right? Yeah.
Office Ladies
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Right. And so she says, let's go. And Michael goes, what? And she goes, let's go. And he says, where are we going? Oh, okay. Doesn't matter. Going to the go-go. Go into the go-go. Go into the go-go. I thought that was so cute. He's just so excited. I thought it was adorable.
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Why is Dwight in blue underwear on his tank top under like a foil, like a FEMA...
Office Ladies
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Of course there's a huge meeting about Dwight's underwear. Of course. Yeah, I know. And they decided on those blue, kind of like tighty-whities. Yeah, they're, I guess, very slouchy.
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That's right. So obviously the camera crew busts Jan, right? Yeah. She's so busted. But there are two Dunder Mifflin employees who also now know. Angela, who's arrived early in the parking lot, and Dwight, who's peeping down from the window. Yeah. And Jan sees Dwight. I'm assuming she sees Angela as she drives by. Yeah. But I love that Dwight and Angela.
Office Ladies
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Oh, yeah. I do, too. But I love that Dwight and Angela, who go on to have their secret relationship, totally bust Jan.
Office Ladies
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Oh, stupid. All right. So this is just one of Josh's favorite dad jokes. So I thought I had to tell it because he does it all the time and the kids like walk right into it every time. So let's say we're like at the grocery store and it's like during the holidays. It's like a busy time. He'll say, oh, man, this grocery store is like camping. And they'll be like, why? And he says... It's intense.
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He's so excited. So good. And he really is like, I'm not going to talk about it, right? No, I'm not going to speak about it. He's like, gentlemen, don't kiss and tell, and neither do I. Ha, ha, ha. Yes. And then the next thing we know, he's like, we'll have to disclose. We'll have to write a letter. Yeah, that's so true. About our relationship.
Office Ladies
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Yeah, we made out for a little bit. Made out a little. I held her and she talked to me about her divorce.
Office Ladies
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They have little moments. I mean, he got his feelings really hurt when you suggested he try, you know, go for that job at the other branch. And then there was the dojo and now there's this.
Office Ladies
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Well, let me just take a minute. First of all, Pam lies to Roy, bold-faced lies to Roy, and says, I have to stay at work. And he's like, are you kidding me right now? She's like, no, I have to work. So already, she has probably, within her moral compass, stepped over a line. I think for Jim... Now, look, guys, I'm a huge Jim and Pam fan, and I wanted them together from the beginning.
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But I would think as a guy, like I was talking to my husband about this, and he goes, this is kind of a move Jim's doing. You know, he knows she has a fiance. Yeah. But he... makes a grilled cheese sandwich, takes her up on the roof. Like, he knows. This is his moment. He's going for it. Ultimately, they end up together, so it's great.
Office Ladies
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But that kind of breaks guy code of what you do with someone else's fiance.
Office Ladies
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Well, I think whenever, like, there's a moment when Angela catches her with Pam Pong, then Meredith catches the shirt coming up, right? And then this moment when he calls it out, all of those moments are when Pam gets a mirror held up to her behavior and And it makes her uncomfortable because she knows the right thing to do is say, Roy, I'm in love with Jim and we should break up. Yeah.
Office Ladies
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But she's got all of these layers like you do in a relationship and feelings probably of guilt and obligation and all of that all wrapped up into it. So she doesn't know how to make that break.
Office Ladies
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And I think this is one of those moments where a mirror is held up and she feels bad and she bristles at it.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: The Client with Melora Hardin
Two lonely guys. Well, guys, that was the client. That's the client. Thank you so much, Melora Hardin and Tim Meadows, for making this episode that much more special.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: The Client with Melora Hardin
Yeah. I know, Sam. I know. I know. He does it all the time. He'll be like, we're driving. And he'll be like, this freeway is like camping. They're like, why? It's intense.
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Thanks, everybody. All right. We'll see you next week. We're going to be chunking performance review your way.
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Second Drink: The Client with Melora Hardin
I got a little giddy. I was a little punchy. So thanks for sticking it out. That's what she said. Good ending. Thank you. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink. This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.
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Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins and our audio engineer and associate producer is Daniela Silva. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Wise-Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
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Second Drink: The Client with Melora Hardin
That's very cute. That's very cute. That's very cute. Our kids like that one. Okay, well, next up in our second drink tidbit, at 7 minutes and 57 seconds, Michael starts singing the Baby Back Rib song. And we talked about this in our breakdown, how they could not keep it together. But I thought we could play the blooper because it is so funny.
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Well, there you go, you guys. That was our second drink of the client. Yeah. Whoa.
Office Ladies
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Each week, we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind-the-scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you. We're The Office Ladies.
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I am still putting my note cards on the table.
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You do quote it at me. Okay, where are we at? Let's get started.
Office Ladies
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Taxes was waiting and wondering and worrying if you were going to get any money back. And then waiting, wondering and worrying some more.
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I mean, listen, sometimes you say things that are just facts. That's just a fact. I don't know what to do with that. So like, yes, that is true, Jenna. That is a true statement. That is who wrote this and who directed this. Next.
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No, I didn't know that. In my mind, you're like, you have this whole friendship with like a big movie star. And I'm like, oh, that's cool, Jenna, I guess. Whatever.
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An expert who gives your taxes their undivided attention as they work on your return while you get real-time updates on their progress so you can focus on your day.
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Okay, well, Katherine, I don't know you, but that was fantastic. And thank you so much. Thank you. Now can I go into fast facts, Angela?
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Okay, yes. It's a half up, half down. But it's very flowy. Very flowy. We are starting our transition to all down. This is half up, half down. Because in Halloween, there were these braided, but you said it didn't count because it was a costume.
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She was like, say it's not your fiance. Yes.
Office Ladies
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For those of you who've been listening to the podcast here, you know why this fast fact happened. It was so big for Jenna and I. Kelly's hair is almost all the way down.
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When will she become Mindy? We're almost there.
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Did you notice? Well, it's like it kind of like is flipping out a little.
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I'm kidding. All right. Well, let's finish with these Fast Facts so that Greg can get in here. Fast Fact number three. We shot on location, guys, on a boat. On a boat. On a boat. This was outside of the Long Beach Harbor, which is about 45 minutes south of Los Angeles. We shot there for three days. Now, for two of the days, we filmed while the boat was docked.
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And then there was one night when we were moving. Because we were in Long Beach and they put us up at a hotel, I had these grand fantasies that we were going to be all hanging out. Back at the hotel and like kind of partying or something. I don't know. I like have this idea. I've never really been on location before.
Office Ladies
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No. Yeah. I did bring poker chips thinking that we would hang out at the hotel and play poker, but it never happened. We actually filmed from like late afternoon overnight until the sun came up.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
It was intense because even when the boat wasn't moving, you're still on water. Right.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. It's bringing back memories. Yeah.
Office Ladies
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I brought my camcorder. Back then, we didn't have iPhones on this boat, but I had a little camcorder and I filmed all of us behind the scenes.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
A documentary of Booze Cruise, which you can find on YouTube. If you go on YouTube and- like Jenna Fisher booze cruise documentary. It'll pop up. It's amazing. I interviewed crew members. I asked them what they did. And it's very funny because you see us getting on the boat. Dave Rogers, our editor, I gave him all the footage and he put together this video.
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You see us all getting on the boat and we're like, yeah, the booze cruise. And then the first night we're like, yeah, booze cruise. We're still, we're doing it. We're doing it. Like by the third night, no one will speak to me. But you definitely see the progression.
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I was like, wow, we look so young. Well, that's all I've got. Should we go get Greg and bring him in here and break down this episode? Yes, because I have a ton of note cards. You really do. I really do. Angela, guys, got here early because – Because I had so many note cards to lay out. She had so many note cards that she was like – I came in and I was shocked. I said, what is this?
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Here it is, though. All right, well, let's do it.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
You know, you often hear about like the red flags to look for in a relationship. But what if, what if we like changed that focus and started making a list of the green flags that we were looking for in friends and partners? You know, like more like instead of framing it, here's what I'm avoiding, be like, here's what I want to run toward, right? Okay.
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Okay, guys, we're back from our break and we are sitting here with Greg Daniels. Yay! Yay! Writer of Booze Cruise, showrunner of The Office. Greg, thank you so much for coming in.
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Thank you so much, Greg. If not for you, Greg, we would not be best friends and this show wouldn't exist.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
That is wild. Wow. Wow. Okay. We did 27 seconds of silence. West Wing did almost a full minute. It makes me want to go watch that scene.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
And yet it's not, is it? I know. Well, Greg, when we have guests, we always like to start with asking them, how did they end up being on The Office? How did you end up developing The Office for American television?
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That is a long time. Me too. There's got to be so much playing out on their faces in that minute. Yeah. Thank you for writing in. I thought that was so interesting. Well, finally, Kaylee Kay commented on this episode, quote, I know the extra that jumped from the boat in Booze Cruise. His name is R.C. Ormond, and he's a stunt actor in Los Angeles. Oh, that's fantastic. Kaylee, thank you so much.
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Build a relationship, maybe for something in the future. You never know.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
All right. Well, let's get into Booze Cruise.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
Let's do it, Jenna. What was the inspiration for this episode?
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I found his credit. He is listed as Panicked Man. And according to his bio, he has appeared as both an actor and stuntman in a wide range of productions from Transformers and The Time Machine to the TV miniseries The Fugitive. I liked this nugget from his bio. His first professional acting job was in the Batman stunt show at Six Flags over Texas as a teenager. How about that?
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I love those stunt shows. I know. There's a really good one at Universal. At Universal Studios. I know. Well, we went one step further and we reached out to Arcee because I wanted to ask him about that experience of jumping in the water. Yeah. Here's what he said. He said, Yeah. I bet. He said, Yeah.
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Let's get into Booze Cruise. Oh my gosh. All right, all right. No card, no card. Okay, okay.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
Yes, where we're reading the memo from Michael that he has sent around. Telling us to prepare for a surprise outing, he tells us to pack a toothbrush, a swimsuit, a ski mask, and wear your rubber-soled shoes. I love how delighted Pam is by Jim and this talking head. And also at 1 minute 53 seconds, please notice the winter Scranton backdrop outside of the window of our talking head.
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Grab your life preservers, everyone. Get ready to set sail. Today, we are taking a second drink of Booze Cruise.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
We would change those backdrops seasonally. We had a springtime one. We had a summer and a winter. So this was our winter backdrop out the window.
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Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
That's right. Stanley's like a booze cruise in January. And also on that note. Like we said, we are jumping ahead, but at six minutes, 45 seconds, when Kevin is walking down the ramp to get on the boat, he is wearing a ski mask. You see a man in a ski mask. Oh, Jenna, you're right.
Office Ladies
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Oh, yes. Oh, yes. The cold open. Jim puts Dwight's stuff in the vending machine. Pam buys Dwight's pencil cup.
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Yes. Fan question. Hannah Watkins asked, there is a framed picture in the vending machine. Is that a real photo from Rain's childhood? It is a photo of Rain's aunt and uncle and nephew. Mm-hmm.
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Yes. And Jim gives Dwight a bag of nickels. To get all his stuff back, which I love that detail. So then we go to the scene where Stanley goes into Michael's office to find out if they will be spending the night. And Michael is so coy and just loves that nobody knows where they're going. And Stanley says, should my wife tell her boss she's not coming in tomorrow?
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Yeah. He didn't really do that to people anymore. All right. So we move into the conference room where Michael finally reveals to everyone that they're going on a booze cruise of Lake Wallenpaupack. I became obsessed with the question personally, do they really have booze cruises of Lake Wallenpaupack? Yes and no. I did a deep dive on the internet.
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It was very special. And I felt like we covered this episode so well. We also wrote an entire chapter about it in our book, Office BFFs, with tons of behind-the-scenes pictures that we took. But I did find a couple of things that we could mention here.
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So what they mostly have are pontoon boat tours, open-aired tours where a guide tells you about the scenery. Okay.
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So if you're in the area, you can look that up. I'm sure there's beer and wine. I mean, I'm not sure, but.
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When she says, I took the tags off already, when she's talking about her bathing suit. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, Michael says bring a bathing suit, and now she doesn't need one. Mindy puts her hand to her mouth. Yeah, she covers her mouth. And that's what she would do when she was about to break.
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Yes. Because, Greg, maybe you can shine some light on this. Mindy, the character of Kelly Kapoor, started out as a very kind of like stuffy updo.
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Yes. And then she very slowly just turns into Mindy Kaling.
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Basically. And now she's – her hair has transitioned. Yes.
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He went on to share, I remember when we were setting up the scene, a lot of the background actors and even some of the series regulars started asking me questions like, hey, are you the stump guy that's jumping off the boat? Is the water cold? Are you scared? Can you swim? All great questions, he said. All that to say, if I had to narrow my experience down to one quote, this would be it.
Office Ladies
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Yes, I think her hair has now transformed. We're waiting for her wardrobe to transform. And also we're waiting for the first Beyonce reference, which has not happened yet.
Office Ladies
Second Drink: Booze Cruise with Greg Daniels
I did discuss Brenda in Fast Facts, but we were going to come to you and ask you for your input about Brenda. Yes, we're coming to you.
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He compares them to the people from Titanic.
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Yes, me too. When Phyllis so sadly realized that everyone in the engine room drowned.
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Yes, I love that Michael has worn his captain hat to the booze cruise. He has it on in the booze cruise, and he still has it on, and now they're having their little power struggle. Who is going to be the boss of this trip? Yeah. Captain Jack is clearly going to win. I mean, I feel like his boundary is very strong from the beginning.
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We should say Captain Jack played by Rob Riggle.
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It was one of the coolest, most exhilarating, and chilling experiences I've ever had. That describes all of it. If I had the opportunity to do it all over again, I totally would in a heartbeat. That's how much fun I had on that show. It was pretty awesome. And then he added, just to be clear, I hate cold water with the passion of a thousand suns.
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Did that happen sometimes? People who had come in for main cast members, you would ping them for a future episode?
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Yes, definitely. Or Kristen Wiig as Pam. Yeah. I think she came in to read Pam. I think she's in my – on my – And Katherine Hahn.
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So I have a lot of fan questions about the boat.
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Okay. So since we're getting on the boat, Casey Wright asked, was the boat really moving? And Sam Pellett asked how cold it was. The boat was really moving through the water for one of the days of shooting. The other two days, I believe it was docked. And it was cold. It was December 2005, which was chilly, especially at night out on the water.
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A lot of people wondered, were you pretending to be that cold? I remember being cold. Yes.
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I think so. Well, one of the challenges of being on the boat was how sick everyone got. Greg, do you remember that?
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But to be blessed with the opportunity to work on that show, I didn't even care. And he noted, we got the shot in two takes. So he only had to do it twice.
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Well, I got really sick. So did David Denman. And I was wearing those wristbands. Yes.
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Yeah. There were all these remedies, but nothing really worked. Seasickness gum. Someone gave me something to chew on. Maybe the gum. Yeah. There's like a ginger gum. Mm-hmm. So- At one point, the real captain of the boat heard that I was struggling. So there were three captains. There were three captains. And then there was also, there was Dwight steering the ship and a guy and then a real guy.
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At one point, the real captain of the ship heard I was struggling and he got out this oil that he rubbed behind my ears and And about 10 minutes later, I was totally fine. Wow. So I had written about this in my diary. I looked it up and I found some on Amazon. Here's what's in it.
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By the way. We're sponsored by. Yeah. Sold by Jan. Jan's Essential Oils and Candles. So here's what it has in it. Lavender, peppermint, chamomile, something called ylang-ylang. And then it has frankincense and myrrh. That's the stuff that the wise men gave to Jesus. Yeah, I know. Two of the things.
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Yeah. Fancy. Who knew? I didn't even, I mean, I know frankincense and myrrh are real, but. I didn't know they were real. I mean.
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That's not real. But like, what are they? I guess they are what you rub behind your ears when you're seasick.
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All right. So in the script, there was a scene, Greg, that as the boat is pulling away, Toby's car suddenly drives up. And he – and Michael yells at him from the ship, oh, come on, what's up? And he's like, I'm sorry, there was an accident or there was traffic. And then Michael says, we're not going back. We're not going back for him. Just leave him. And then –
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Paul turns to camera as Toby and he kind of gives a little wink.
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Yeah, like he did it on purpose. But you can find that in the deleted scenes. We shot it.
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We shot it and it was very nice. And that is why Toby is not on the boat for anyone who was wondering.
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In my journal, I said that we started taping that around 2 a.m. Like, it was really late.
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A fan question from Tara Leitschke. Was Steve's dance choreographed?
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I have the script at home for this episode and I read it and there is no direction for Michael's dance in the script. It just says, pan over to see Michael doing a weird dance. That's it. That's as much as there was. Another fan question about the dance, Steve Dresser says, how many takes of that superb dance did it take to get Steve's full moves.
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That seems about right. I can't remember when he started slapping his legs. Yeah, that was amazing. If that was early on or later.
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Yes. And on the deleted scenes, you can see even more of the dancing if you want to. Yeah.
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Here's a fan question. Was there music playing when Michael danced or was it added later? My memory is that it was added later.
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Yes, we had a lot of questions about the band.
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That's right. Well, everyone, we hope you enjoyed these tidbits. Now, please enjoy our breakdown of Booze Cruise. I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch Podcast just for you.
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I had a fan as well. Vanessa McLeod said that she noticed that at least one of the band members shows up later in Scrantonicity at Phyllis' Wedding.
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It's just very funny to me. Well, I don't know if you remember, Greg, but there was a runner. I read it in the script and then I went back and I saw it in the deleted scenes. There was this whole runner through this episode that Oscar is a really mean drunk. Yes. I'm glad we cut that.
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Where he's just – he's getting drunk and then he's going around and he's insulting all of you. So that is probably why Oscar is not dancing with you guys. And also later – He's isolated himself.
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Well, I want to go back. to the scene with Jim, Katie, Pam, and Roy sitting around the table.
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Katie makes a comment where she says, we're at the cool table. And then they all talk about what they were like in high school, except Jim. We don't hear about Jim, but we find out that Katie was a cheerleader and that Pam was artsy-fartsy. Thanks, Roy. And that Roy played sports. And then Amy does her little cheer. Amy, as Katie, does her awesome cheer. And that was not in the script.
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We found out on the set that Amy Adams was a cheerleader, and she knew a bunch of cheers. And you had her do little cheers for us to react to.
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Yeah, because that was not in the script. That wasn't, no. That was added in the moment. Yeah. And that's, yeah, I kind of flirt with Jim there.
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Well, I think it was an important connection there, Greg, because it is certainly going to help give Jim the courage to do what he's going to attempt to do, which is tell Pam his feelings. I think without that little moment of them bonding over how ridiculous their significant others are being, it's like you need to see them as that bonded couple.
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We're going to booze it up today. It is the Booze Cruise episode, everybody. Are you ready to party? Written by Greg Daniels. Directed by Ken Kwapis. Angela's been on a booze cruise.
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So it doesn't come so out of the blue that Jim would think this could be my moment.
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Pam and Jim are on the deck of that boat and Pam does give him an opening. She says, sometimes I just don't get Roy. And this is the first time we've seen her complain about Roy to Jim, to disparage her relationship. Really, it's the first time she's verbalized it. I don't, I'm pretty sure. And then it is 27 seconds of silence.
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And a fan wrote in, Anthony Sneed said, what was the motivation behind that awkward silence?
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Ooh, I've been on a booze cruise of Lake Ozark, Missouri.
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Yeah, I was cold. Yeah, you were cold. Yeah, I believed it. Now, Greg, it wasn't in the script that there would be a big pause. It didn't say there's a long, big pause. Yeah. It just says that they look at each other and then finally Pam says.
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But I remember on the day you really encouraging us to take our time and don't be afraid to just look at each other.
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Oh, yeah. Live band. All of it. Very similar.
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That is so smartly said. You guys, should we talk about what else was going on during this scene?
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Let's get into it. I will start with a summary. I feel like this episode doesn't need it, but I'm going to give one anyway. Michael takes the office on a booze cruise of Lake Wallenpaupack. So corporate won't pay for any more parties, but Michael found a loophole. As long as he calls it a leadership training exercise, then corporate will endorse it. So that's what he does.
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All right. So here's the deal. When we started this scene, I think we knew it was going to take a while. And so they told the other cast members that they could leave for the day. But the only way to get off the boat, because we weren't going to take the boat back and dock it.
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She seems like the most vulnerable of the group, right? Kind Phyllis. Yeah.
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First off, we talked about Mindy's play, Matt and Ben, that she did with her friend, Brenda Withers, who appears in this episode. This is what got Mindy discovered. And we got this comment from Christine A., who said, "'Googled Matt and Ben, Mindy Kaling, and the full show comes up on YouTube. Questionable legality, but it's there.'" So if you wanted to follow up and watch it, there you go.
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But it's really just an excuse for a party.
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You know, the wheels really came off when we went on locations. We talk about this a little bit. I mean, you know, this is first season nine, but, you know, death bus almost killed us all. Yes. Work bus. Work bus. We've called it death bus for so long. The cast calls it death bus. All right. Well, we'll take a break and we'll be back.
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All right, let's jump in with fast fact number one. Booze Cruise was the first episode to air on Thursday nights. Yeah, this was a huge deal. On NBC. This was a huge deal for us. Must-see TV lineup. We were so giddy about this.
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All right. Wow. This is another question about a camera movement. So, you know, after they're at the bar and they're all talking about who they would save, Jim gets up his courage and he's going to walk over to Pam and he says, I would save the receptionist. I think I need to make that clear.
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Well, right before that, Greg Phelps noticed at 14 minutes, 37 seconds, there's a continuous shot of Jim looking down the length of the boat to Pam and as he thinks about who he would save. The camera then zooms in on Pam at the exact moment she has a really cute laughing smile. How did you time that out so perfectly?
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He wants to know, Jenna, were you given a cue when the camera was about to zoom in on you? But we used to do that stuff all the time.
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I did, too. Yeah. Announcing our move to Thursday nights, because I don't know if people know, but we started on Tuesday nights at 9.30, and now we were moving- to the Thursday must-see TV lineup.
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I think our editors don't get enough credit. Well, first of all, I think our camera operators don't get enough credit for all of those happy accidents. But then you would assemble those with the editors in the editing room to tell even more of a story than what was in the script.
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It still is. It's still their big night of comedy. So we felt like we'd really made it. And also, this is a fan question from Sean Anaya. In episode two of the podcast, Angela mentioned that she and the other supporting cast members became series regulars during the booze cruise.
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It is. It's in the deleted scenes. It's great. Michael, the guitar player is going to take a break and then Michael tries to fill in for him and he's horrible. And then Creed says, let me give it a shot. And then he just gets up there and rocks out. And it's so cool and satisfying. And then he has a talking head where he explains that he is himself, basically. Yeah.
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He is Creed Breton, member of Grassroots. Yeah.
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I think that is- We should have shirts that say, I'd save the receptionist.
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No, and you're with him. Like, Jim's got his courage. He's going to save the receptionist. He almost gets up to Pam, and that's when Roy stands up and says that he's setting a wedding date, June 10th. A fan question from Ed's Arquiza said, was Pam genuinely happy when Roy proposed or was she just caught up in the moment? Well, I looked at the script. The script said, Pam looks happy.
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So I played it that Pam was genuinely kind of overcome with this moment. You know, she's been trying to get Roy's attention. I think she wants him to treat her like this so badly, right?
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Well, Amy's – first of all, Amy's reaction is so sweet. So sweet. She is – I mean, she's waiting for her moment. Please propose to her somebody because she's like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing.
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Amazing. And then you're right. Jim breaks up with Katie very abruptly. Gibbity Jenkins actually wrote in. Gibbity Jenkins.
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From Dogpatch. Jibbity Jenkins. Jibbity Jenkins says, Jim was kind of a dick to Katie the entire cruise for no reason other than he wanted to be with Pam. She's really innocent through all this. And then he just breaks up with her.
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Now, did that happen in the middle of filming Booze Cruise or at the beginning? What was the timing?
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Yeah. So then we have a scene where we see that Captain Jack and Meredith are sneaking away to... Make out, get it on, something. Meredith's going to come back later without a shirt on and just a life preserver.
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Well, this gives Michael the opening to take the microphone and really start his presentation, which he does by announcing that the ship is sinking. Mm-hmm. Most of the people don't realize that this is a metaphor, passengers panic, and a man jumps overboard. JT wrote in to ask who was the actual person who jumped in the water, and a lot of people are asking what happened to that person.
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On the DVD commentary, Greg, you said he really jumped out of the window into the freezing cold water.
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And you said that you always felt bad. That there is no – like this person jumped into the – It wasn't on camera. It wasn't on camera. He didn't jump in a boat. He didn't jump in a boat. Like he had to be fished out of the water. There could have been just a rubber dinghy there. I believe it only happened the one time.
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And when Jim first walks up to Michael... As an audience member, I'm thinking, oh, gosh, this is the worst person for him to be around right now. I know, I know. He is so vulnerable. This is bad. And then it turns into what it is, and it's perfect. Perfect.
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Well, guys, we did it. We did it. Greg, thank you so much. I want to give a plug. You have a new show coming up called Upload, which premieres on Amazon Prime this April. This is crazy. This is the first show that you have written since you wrote the finale of The Office.
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Now, did his body die, but then he's uploaded? Yes. His brain was scanned.
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Is that a spoiler? No, his brain was scanned. No, I know, but I'm saying, is his brain?
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When the scan happens. So you have died in the real world. Yes. And now you live out as an upload.
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Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
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Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.
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Things are starting to turn now. We've been talking about how we were really wondering week to week if we had jobs, and now we're starting to feel like, oh, we're on a TV show that's going to keep coming back. Now, we still haven't been picked up for season three yet, but we know, okay, we at least have a job for like another 13 weeks at this point.
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Yeah. For sure. For sure. For sure. All right, fast fact number two, let's talk about our guest stars.
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First up, this is the third and final appearance of Amy Adams as Katie. Now, I went back and I was looking at the timeline. She had not yet been nominated for her Academy Award for Junebug. That happened just a couple weeks after we finished filming this episode, but there was a ton of buzz.
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I was seated next to her for pretty much most of the work in this episode. Mm-hmm. And we just became such good friends doing this. We shared so much about our lives and our hopes and our dreams. And she was just a very open, warm, generous person. And then, you know, this boat was no frills. No frills. No frills on this boat, okay? Yeah.
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We were just sleeping on those benches between takes, and she was all in. Another big guest star from this episode is Rob Riggle as Captain Jack. Riggs! All right, so a few facts about Rob in case people don't know. He is a real Marine Corps veteran. He joined the Marines in 1990 with the intention of becoming a naval aviator, but then he left to pursue comedy. Comedy. Yeah.
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It's very grainy. But I also found a paperback version of the play on Amazon, Angela. Yes, it's been published, and it has 4.7 stars out of 5. That's very highly rated. Very highly rated. I think, you know, if you're an aspiring writer, maybe reading it would be like a good research or something.
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But he stayed a member of the Marine Corps Reserves until he retired in 2013 after 23 years of service. I mean –
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Well, you guys out there might recognize him also from SNL or from The Daily Show where he played their military – correspondent or from like a gazillion movies, including Furry Vengeance with Angela Kinsey.
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Oh, I would love to see that. You guys would be great. Yeah, so you know him. You're friends with him.
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Oh, that was amazing. Good intel, Ange. So we have yet another guest star on this episode. Brenda Withers plays Brenda, the corporate liaison sent on the booze cruise to keep tabs on Michael. And there are some fun facts about Brenda. Let's hear them. Brenda and Mindy Kaling were a writing team before The Office.
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They wrote and performed in an off-Broadway play called Matt and Ben, which was about the friendship of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.
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Yes. Brenda played Matt and Mindy played Ben. It was set in 1995 and it tells the story of Matt and Ben before they were stars in their apartment fantasizing about being famous. It was a huge hit.
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I would have loved to have seen that. I looked up the New York Times review and it was just glowing. And this really put them on the map. And it's definitely what... got Mindy noticed, we haven't even talked about this.
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I was just about to let it roll off my tongue as if we had announced it.
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Because he's going to be here. Yes, that's right. Greg Daniels, showrunner of The Office and writer of this episode, will be joining us. That's hilarious. Why did we not lead with that? Talk about burying the lead.
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Oh, just get Fast Facts done. Hey, now. Hurry up and get your Fast Facts done. I had a good tidbit for your Fast Facts.
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Oh, yes. That's right. I was in the Steve Carell test group. Well, you know something that's funny about Bob Odenkirk since you brought him up? I knew Bob Odenkirk when I was auditioning for The Office, and we were both called. I was called to do Pam, and he was called to do... Michael. So we got together and we practiced together. But then I wasn't in his test group. And I had thought, darn it.
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We worked a bunch of bits together. We were so excited to show them off. But he did this very funny audition where he brought in his guitar and And he sang a song to Pam and we had worked it all out. We were going to ask if we could do it if we were paired together, but we never were.
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They always loved that. Those are the people they always cast were the people who played it real. This leads me to my third fast fact, Angela. I know you might have more to say about Lance. No, no, no. Go, go. But this is a fan question. Is anyone on the cast trained in martial arts? That's from Will. Yes.
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So, yes, Lance and also Rainn Wilson studied karate his sophomore year in college and is a yellow belt. I didn't know that. Yes, and I asked Rainn if the writers knew that, and he said no. What a weird coincidence that they wrote this whole karate-themed episode and Rainn is a yellow belt and Lance was a black belt.
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In the early years of The Office, I always felt like it was a show we were making in our garage for our neighborhood.
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As a kid, I used to do that. I used to put on plays in my garage, and the garage door was the curtain. Yeah. And I would, like, put chairs out on my driveway for the neighborhood kids to come see my show. It was like a puppet show or a variety show. That's what The Office always felt like to me, just like a bunch of us making a show in our garage.
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What does he do in that episode? He was actually there to interview for a job. Oh, I remember that. Dwight brings in a bunch of his old friends and weirdos to interview.
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Yeah, I love it. All right, let's take a break and we'll be back to break down the fight.
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And we are back. Hello. This episode begins with a prank. Jim pranks Dwight by putting his desk in the bathroom.
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I like this one. You have to look for Kevin in the background at the end when he leaves one of the stalls. He has a lit candle and a newspaper. And for all of you Office Geeks, this was the moment that led to Kevin's line in Office Olympics about the bathroom candle smelling like cookies.
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This week was read by Alexis, so be on the lookout for that. I feel like maybe we should bring that back somehow. I like this idea. We'll brainstorm. We'll think on it. Well, another thing that I loved about this episode is that, Angela, you reconnected with Lance Krall, who plays Sensei Ira.
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Yes. And that candle really did smell like cookies. I want to say that. Did you notice that there is another door by the urinal? Angela, where does it go?
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Yeah. Those bathrooms did not work. Nope. It was very deceiving. We would have people come visit us on the set, like guests, family members, and they would go in there thinking that they were real bathrooms, and they weren't.
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In the next scene, Dwight calls his sensei. Jim asks if he's talking to his mother. I love that. I think John is really good in that scene. And then there is his whole talking head about being a sensei, assistant to the sensei. What is it?
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Oh, I totally missed that. All right, so next we have Pam's talking head. And this is when we find out that today is the day that Michael has to sign time cards, purchase order approvals, and expense reports that they're all due at the end of the day. And this happens a couple times a year, and he always procrastinates wildly on these days.
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As a former secretary, I really relate to the dynamic between Pam and Michael in this episode, because during one of my early secretarial jobs, I had a boss that would take so long to do his end of the month report that I would have to drive to the airport. Because the FedEx at the airport had the latest drop time.
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I'm saying LAX airport, which anyone who lives in Los Angeles, if I drive to LAX now, it's about a two-hour drive. So I would have to drive to the airport for like the 7 p.m. It might have even been 9 p.m. FedEx drop.
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That's right. It's just his signature. It could take him like 20 minutes. Yeah. And he'd be done. This is why I would get so mad at my boss who couldn't manage to get his report done. Because I would think to myself... It's not new information. It's a boilerplate report that you have to do every month. It wasn't a special project that sneaked up on us. Yeah. Time management, dude.
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All right. So next up in Michael's attempt to procrastinate, he tells Ryan to update the emergency contacts. So I enter that scene where Michael is telling Ryan to do the emergency contact list. I was so concentrated on not laughing at Steve, who was being so funny in that scene. It took everything I had. That when BJ would look at me and say the line, updating emergency contacts.
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I lost it. I started, it became, you know, in the scenes where you can't stop laughing and you have a trigger? Yeah. It was BJ turning to me and very sadly saying, updating emergency contacts. I think I only got through one scene and I did it by not looking at BJ in the eye. Like I stared at his forehead.
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I was really channeling my real life experience working for that crazy guy. Michael gets Ryan's phone number in this episode. Oh, man. He's so delighted. He keeps calling him and doing voices. And Angela, flip phone.
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It's like one of my favorite things. Yes. We talked about this a little bit in the opening. Pam reading Jim's palm. Yeah.
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But I thought it was really cool that the set deck people put the palm reading website on my computer.
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I see a note card that you have that is my next topic. Do you want to say it? Well, wait.
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We used to joke about this. We would say, why do we all have to be at our desks in the background of all the scenes? Do none of us ever go to the bathroom? Yeah. Do we never leave to go downstairs? Anything. For a reason? Yeah. None of us left our desks. But in particular, Stanley was always at his desk. He had to sit in the background of everyone's talking heads.
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Pam is, it's such a great relationship between Pam and Michael because she is his subordinate, yet also his parent. Yes. In many ways. Oh, yeah. She has to corral him, kind of like a sheepdog might corral the sheep.
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The sugar-free raspberry lemonade is very good. It is really good. Break the mold and own your ritual. Just one stick plus 16 ounces of water hydrates better than water alone.
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Is it... Michael's shoulder or elbow or something? He's not there yet?
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Yes, and that Dwight cried at the end. Yes. Oh. And I actually – But it was because – why did Dwight cry at the end? It's such brilliant writing. It's because – It wasn't just the movie. It was that it began to snow.
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I mean, I feel like they just turned on the camera and said, guys, go for it. Just mess around. Yeah. Well, Ange, Lance is such a talented guy. You know, I talked about how much I loved Lance from the Joe Schmoe show. And I talk about how I auditioned for it. I did not get the role. And I was positive that this was an Allison Jones project. And that's how she knew about Lance.
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The driller. The drilling expert. Yeah. And he felt that everything Bruce Willis' character had to say was inaccurate. Yeah.
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I don't know, but I feel like it could have been my personal pick because a lot of times— If you have to eat something, they ask you. They do. They ask you if you have any food allergies. The props person will call you at home and say, we're doing a dinner scene. Is there anything you can't eat?
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Well, that's a good point. I didn't really think of that. I also like a barbecue chip. I love a barbecue chip. Can I tell you a little bit of information about the chips?
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Okay. They are HERS chips. H-E-R-R-S. And this is a local Pennsylvania company, the HERS chip. I'm flipping my papers because I was going to talk about this later.
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A little bit of Angela sass, everyone. All right, here it is. I found it. Okay. The Hearst chips are also what we put in our vending machine. So you can spy them in there. And I just think it's cool that we used... local stuff to fill out the world. And it's kind of a cool story, the story of Hurst chips. I went down a rabbit hole, Angela.
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Guys, James Hurst broke with his family's history of chicken farming. And in 1946, he bought a potato chip company. He was only 21 years old, and he bought it for $1,750. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And now it's a huge, successful company. And you can even go there and tour it. You would love that. You can tour the facility. You love a factory tour. You know I love a factory tour.
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Angela, we've been invited to tour the SAS factory in San Antonio.
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For your, that's what she shed? For my, that's what she shed. I'm going to the tough shed factory. I'm so excited. You guys, this is a weird thing that happens to us. I went and bought some tile. I needed some tile because I was doing a renovation outside. And I went to this tile showroom. It's called Arto Tile in Los Angeles.
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I know, but we got some fan mail. We did. From guess who? Rhett Reese, the co-creator of Joe Schmo, who said, Jenna, your memory is a touch off. Pat Melton cast Joe Schmo for us, not Alison Jones, but thanks so much for the kind shout out. Rhett, thank you for writing in. Yes, but Rhett, why didn't I get a part? What didn't I do right, buddy?
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And they geeked out and they recognized me and they gave me a factory tour. This is a really cool. Perk. Yes. If you like to see how things are made. I love to see how things are made. I do too.
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I know. And so I've gone on quite a few factory tours as a result of my fame on the office. You have.
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All right. I wish I could go with you. So something I have to talk about, Angela, before we go to break, is the scene at Michael and Jim's desk when Michael talks about being in the damn rascals. Yeah. His street gang. This is the same scene where they talk about Armageddon. Yeah. But when Dwight punches Michael in the stomach, he does the double punch, and Steve gets hit, and he's like, pho!
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That was... was John's weak spot. John would laugh so, so hard. And I think that's why in that scene, there is not a single shot of John's face. If you watch it after he punches Michael in the stomach, you never see John's face because he couldn't get through that.
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So this reminds me of that bit that Steve did on the Dana Carvey show, The Nauseous Waiter. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. You guys have to look it up. Steve did it for us one time when we were in the conference room together. And this is, John couldn't handle it. I thought John was going to die.
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Yes, he'd be like, we have a delicious chicken with a... Cream sauce. Sorry, cream sauce. It was so hilarious. It's so good. We are not doing it justice. We are not doing justice to it at all. Oh, my gosh. If Steve ever comes on our podcast... Do you think he would do that? Yes. Oh, I need him. I need him to do it. Oh, Steve, come on and do Nauseous Waiter for us. Yes. We would make him do that.
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We loved that. Angela, I think we should go to a break. I think we should. I would like to go eat some chips. Maybe... Maybe some sour cream and onion chips from the basket.
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We're back from break. Angela? Yes? I have a time code. What? Yeah. I actually, I have three time codes. Jenna, I'm so proud of you. Thank you. I almost wrote them on note cards and brought in three note cards, but I didn't want to infringe on your note card thing.
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I think that's fantastic. What is your time code? Well, I was very excited. It's 11 minutes, 50 seconds. And it is the scene where... Pam and Jim are walking to the kitchen. John is snapping his fingers like he's from West Side Story. And we got tons of questions about these finger snaps, which I think is why I felt compelled to write down the time code.
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The question was, was this scripted or improvised? I remember it as being improvised, and I remember being so tickled by it because I'm a huge movie musical fan. And I asked Lee Eisenberg, and he thinks it was also improvised. He does not remember writing that.
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He's like, oh, you're a jet? That was the name of your actual gang. Yeah.
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It was so fun. So then they go into the kitchen. And I have to say, this scene in the kitchen between Michael and Dwight when they face off might be one of my favorite scenes. Scenes from the entire second season of The Office. In the kitchen, John and I almost started laughing about a million times.
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And if you notice, if you look at Mindy, she is constantly turning her back to the scene and looking into the annex.
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But seriously, watch Mindy through this because she cannot face the scene. It's amazing.
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And there's all these great things in this. This is the misuse of common phrases like catch 22.
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Tit for tit. Also, two hits, me punching you and you hitting the floor. It was so good. It was just so good. This leads me into my second time code, Angela. Okay. 13 minutes, 27 seconds.
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Is that true? So you did not go to, did you not film that day when we went?
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Oh my goodness. So when I talk about being at the dojo, you're going to hear what you missed out on.
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Yes, it's so true. Right. Well, when we all pile in the elevator, I don't know why I'm so tickled by it, but at 13 minutes and 27 seconds, just watch Kevin's face as the elevator doors close. Okay. It just makes me laugh. All right. He's got this little mischievous look on his face, like he's very excited to see what's going to happen. Totally like a little kid who got to leave school.
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Oh, that's so cute. I love it. All right. Well, Angela, I'm going to tell you some stuff. The day that we shot at the dojo, it was really hot.
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Yes. And the air conditioning in our trailers wasn't working. Oh. So remember on the Dundies when they had ants? This time they had no air conditioning and they were, they're metal. So it was kind of like changing your clothes in a sauna. And we were just super sweaty, all of us, and gross. And I had to wear a sweater because we had established my beige sweater earlier in the office.
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And I remember thinking, oh, my God, I am so sweaty and stinky. And John has to pick me up. This is a thing that I think people don't think about. You know, anytime I would have a scene where I would have to whisper at someone or you'd have to kiss, I would brush my teeth like three times and chew gum and eat a mint before.
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And anytime when you have to be close to someone, I would be very aware of my – potential body odor.
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We got a lot of questions about this scene. I have questions, so go. Well, in Office Olympics, Angela has her bit about Pam Pong. Yes. And that's kind of the first time that Pam is made aware that someone else is aware. People are noticing. Yes. And now, in this scene, Meredith clocks the interaction between Pam and Jim, and that is what freaks out Pam.
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Yeah, that was all, that was, so that was a fan question. Anthony asked, was it meant for your shirt to pull up when Jim lifted you or did it happen on accident and you went with it? It was in the script that my shirt would come up a little bit and that was all to make it even more of a vulnerable thing for Pam, that she was literally exposed.
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Yes. And wow, I wish my stomach looked like that today. I watched that scene. I was like, why was I not wearing midriff tops every day when I looked like that?
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Well, I am kind of glad that it was scripted that you see my belly because I've got it on film now. That at one time in my life, I had a cute little belly and belly button. So thank you, Jean and Lee, for that. At 13 minutes, 56 seconds. That's my third time code, Angela. There is a poster in the background of this interaction between Jim and Pam. So we're all watching Jim and Pam.
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But in the background, there is a poster on the wall. And it is one of my favorite things. It was like a favorite thing of all of us when we got to the dojo. This was a set decoration poster that Jean and Lee wrote that set decoration had printed and put on the wall. It is the 10 rules of karate. Okay.
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All right. According to this dojo. And I'm going to read them to you. Okay. They're amazing. Number one, obey your parents. Okay. Number two, no junk food. Number three, do your homework. Number four, keep your room clean. Number five, maintain an indomitable spirit. Okay. Number six, don't fight with your siblings. Seven, practice, practice, practice.
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Eight, treat others the way you would like to be treated. Nine, be loyal to your country. And 10, have fun. So Lee told me he still has this poster. He asked to have it. He said they spent way too long writing these goals.
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They did. It's amazing to me because I feel like it is this little detail that really hammers home that Dwight takes classes in a studio meant for children.
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These are kid-based rules. Yeah. And, of course, you see that. You see that he's in a class with a bunch of 11-year-olds. But I just think that is brilliant. Brilliant writing, that poster. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think that makes sense too. I mean, Dwight is not maybe studying a pure form of any one martial art.
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She really is. But I mean, that's complicated, unrequited love for you. I know. What are you going to do? She's conflicted. She's conflicted. When Michael pins down Dwight at the dojo and is winning the fight, our director of photography, Randall Einhorn, who used to work on Survivor. So I want to say literally nothing surprises this man. He is a total pro. He never broke. He lost it. Yeah.
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He lost it. He was laughing so hard that he had to take the camera off his shoulder and hold it out with his arm so that it wouldn't shake. He had tears, like, streaming down his face. It's the hardest I've ever seen him laugh.
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I asked Lee about that. His memory is that they did bring in a stunt coordinator to work with them on set one day during a break.
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And so on the day, he said they just, like, Steve and Rain and Ken Kwapis just came up with a bunch of stuff, like the typewriter stuff. Mm-hmm. And just he said he doesn't remember how many takes they did, but it was a lot. But he said it was also really hot. And those guys got really tired doing all the fake fighting.
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They are. It's true. Did you clock Phyllis's disposable camera? In the scene where she's taking pictures and it's a disposable camera.
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Who has those? Someone must. Yeah. Phil Shea. Phil Shea. I don't know. All right. So after this humiliating defeat, we go back to the office and we see a scene from Michael's office that goes down into the parking lot. And he tries to call Ryan on his cell phone. That was a different office than the usual Michael's office.
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Yes. So, we had two Michael's offices. We had one Michael's office that was on our set, and it had just, like, a scrim backdrop behind the window that was kind of blurry, and it was just... Old fashioned fake out the window kind of thing. But whenever we had to shoot a scene where Michael was actually looking out of his window into the parking lot, we would move over to the writer's offices.
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And they literally would shoot in a writer's office. Yes. And I was trying to remember, was it Mike Schur's office or Paul Lieberstein's office? One of the two of them worked in Michael's office. And it was loosely decorated as Michael's office. And then when it was time to shoot, they would get kicked out of their office and set dressing would come in and zhuzh it up.
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And then they would have to use that to shoot. And they couldn't write in their office that day. Right.
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Yes, that was always true. That don't match. Like I was like, guys, the walls are not the same. Well, it's funny too, because all the other writers could decorate their offices.
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Oh, for sure. Of course. Yeah. Of course. But you could have like personal photos up and posters on the wall, but they couldn't do it. I feel like it was Paul's. I think it was Paul's as well.
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So next up, Michael tells the rest of us to sign the forms. He's given up.
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And we were all grouped together at the reception desk. And I loved shooting that scene because everyone else had gone home for the day. Except for Dwight. That's right. Who was at his desk. But most of the office was gone. And that group of us, we were very rarely in little scenes together, just us. And I have very fond memories of shooting that.
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Can you tell maybe I'm a little hangry right now because I'm really zeroing in on what the snack was? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, that was his desk. But where was Creed? Creed didn't really have a desk yet.
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These are good questions. I know. Did Ryan, well, eventually, remember, we turned that closet in the hallway into Ryan's office, I feel like.
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That desk was kind of the catch-all, right? I feel like I've seen Devin there. I've seen Ryan there. I've seen Creed there. When does it become Creed's desk?
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Oh, there's Luann. Luann. Luann was one of our stand-ins slash extras.
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That's right. I feel like the two things I want to tell you guys we're going to be dedicated to tracking in this rewatch is Mindy's hair and when does Creed get his desk? Okay, so just know that.
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Tell us. Tell us. Solve this mystery. Okay. Michael takes Dwight into the conference room here at the end. And he says he's been testing him all day. And he promotes Dwight to assistant regional manager.
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He gets no announcement, no raise, and no new office. But Dwight is so happy. He's so happy. He whites out to the on all of his business cards. It's so pure and sweet.
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Dwight isn't hearing that part. He doesn't hear any words except assistant regional manager. And then this leads us to the famous Michael talking headline. Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me. I have seen that stitched on pillows. I have seen that on shirts. Yeah. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me. Good writers.
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Such good writing. And that was the fight. That was the fight. So next week, we will be back with The Client. The Client. This is maybe my favorite season two episode, although there's also the injury. I love the injury.
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I bought a shirt from Etsy of a grilled foot. Yeah, that you would wear.
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So next week, we will be talking about not the injury, but the client. We'll see you then. See you then. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink. This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf. Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
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Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.
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That's so tracks that he plays bridge. I love it. I do, too. I actually love this detail.
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I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch Podcast just for you.
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We were just rocking out to our own intro. We were actually dancing and miming the words. Hello, everyone. Today, we are going to be talking about the fight. Right. Season two, episode six, written by Gene Stupnitsky and Lee Eisenberg, known to us as Gene and Lee. They're a duo. They're funny fellas. This episode was directed by Ken Kwapis. We love Ken Kwapis. We love Ken Kwapis.
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I don't even know if it's possible for people to understand our love of Ken Kwapis.
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There are some directors that just are in our hearts. Ken Kwapis, Paul Feig, Charles McDougal. Charles McDougal. For yelling action at us.
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It's so true. We'll talk about Charles McDougal when we get to him. We haven't really had a chance to talk about him, but that was a little preview. We have a special treat today. Our summary of this episode is going to be read by a fan. Dun, dun, dun. So here we go. Alexis is describing the fight.
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I thought that was very good. That was really good. I feel like she covered it. She was very concise. I feel like maybe she wrote it down and read it, which is what I would do, so Alexis... Alexis, you've made a friend. That's right. All right, let's get into the fast facts for the fight. Fast fact number one, this is the first episode from our new writing team of Jean and Lee.
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I emailed with Lee Eisenberg, and he told me that before getting hired on The Office, Jean was a part-time nanny, and Lee was an assistant to a director. This was their first staff writing job. They were over the moon, and they were particularly excited about the free lunches.
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Every time I got a job as an actor, when I was a struggling actor, I got excited about the free meals, the free food at work. It's a big deal. I kind of still get excited about it. I have to be honest.
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Yeah. Like apple, banana. Earwolf has a basket of chips that's really good, too. When I worked in offices in real life, I used to get really excited to go in the break room and like someone would bring in some Danish or some muffins or cookies.
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Oh, man. You know, ramen noodles are really a great meal for like family meals with kids. You can spruce it up. You can saute some brown chicken and put a bunch of veggies in with the noodles.
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Some more information from Lee about this being his first episode. He said they were terrified because remember we talked about how they break down the episodes as a group and then writers get assigned to write the episode? He said that since their episode was episode six – They had very little in their outline.
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He said they had fleshed out the other episodes much more than this one, and he thought that they were being set up to fail. They were being tested. Yes, exactly. Because he was like, how do you give the staff writers with the least amount of experience the least worked on outline? Yes, exactly. He said after they turned in their script and they had to get their notes on their script—
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Greg had pneumonia, and they had to go to Greg's house in order to get their notes. And he said the thing that really stood out to him was that he explained the idea of the Jim-Pam subtext to Jean and Lee. They had written a really on-the-nose Jim-Pam scene, and Greg said, sometimes just a look is enough. And he said it kind of blew their minds and that Greg completely brought that idea to them.
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And in the episode, something I remember is when Pam is reading Jim's palm, that was a big deal. It was how – there was always this discussion, how can Jim and Pam – physically touch without it being inappropriate. Right.
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That was some major flirting. That's a note card I have for later. All right. Should we move on to fast fact number two? Let's do it. All right. Fast fact number two, Sensei Ira was played by Lance Kroll. Is it Sansei or Sensei?
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Oh, you know that I was very starstruck by him when he was on our episode.
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Yes! That cracks me up that he said that. Because I did corner him at lunch one day, and I made him tell me everything about the Joe Schmo show. If you guys have not seen this, please go look it up. The Joe Schmo show was a fake... reality show contest where everybody on the show were actors except for one person.
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Yes. And they were locked in this house and they had to do competitions and vote each other off at the end. By the way, Kristen Wiig is on that show with Lance.
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I auditioned for that. It was cast by Alison Jones, and I was devastated when I did not get it because I thought, what an amazing acting experience to live in a house and have to play this character 24-7. And by the way, the show is brilliant. So yes, I am starstruck by Lance. I can't believe you know him. I can't believe I didn't know that you know him.
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Should we say what a reel is? Yes, yes. So just for people who don't know, actors have a headshot, and on the back is their resume. And you give that at auditions. But you also would send a link to clips of various performances you had been on. And that's your acting reel. It helps you get jobs. So Angela, you were... Putting together your acting reel. Right. With some clips from the office.
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I pulled you from the table. I said, we are meeting Meryl Streep. We are doing this. This is a story for my mother. Come on.
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And you said, well, what are we going to do? What are we going to say? How do you walk up to them? What are we going to say? So I was like, here is my plan. We are just going to walk up to them laughing. What? Just laugh.
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Like we're like. I don't know what I thought, Angela. I don't know. I just knew we had to seize the moment.
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And we did just that. We walked up to Meryl Streep and Amy Adams laughing. And right at that moment, a house photographer came by and snapped our photo. So we have a photo of us and it looks like we are having a hilarious conversation with Meryl Streep and Amy Adams.
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I did get to say to Meryl Streep, I did get to say, it's such a pleasure to meet you. I am a big admirer of your work. And I was. I mean, I just loved her performance in Kramer vs. Kramer. I studied a lot of her work. And so as like a theater geek, actory person, we've talked a lot about my love of actor prep. That was a big moment for me.
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We do have a photo. All right, guys. We're going to go to a break. And when we come back, we're going to break down the Hot Girl episode.
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That's 20% off your first order when you shop better hydration today using promo code officeladies at liquidiv.com. Hello and welcome to our second drink of Hot Girl. We're doing something a little differently this week. When we revisited our breakdown of Hot Girl, we noticed that there were quite a few things that we missed that we could have talked about.
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They've got clothes, accessories, collectibles, and more. One of my very good friends loves Disney stuff. There are a lot of people that collect Disney stuff. They have got a jean jacket. It's so special. It's so unique. You've got Daisy Duck and Minnie Mouse. They're dressed like they're in a marching band. They've got the batons on. It's such a cool jacket.
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There's also a Stony Clover Lane fanny pack. Oh my gosh, stop it.
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If you want to know what to get your nieces and nephews for Christmas and they are huge Disney fans, there are so many great gets. Shop this exclusive Disney and Macy's collection now. Head to Macy's.com or visit your local Macy's store. All right, this episode starts with Michael on a phone call with Jan.
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She's explaining that they're going to introduce a new incentive program and the top seller in the office is going to get a prize worth $1,000 and that Michael can choose what that prize is. The end.
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The next scene when Dwight is standing over Michael's shoulder in the talking head, it begins as a talking head and then it reveals that Dwight is kind of like hovering. That's the first time we did that. But then we will do that many times in the show. It's one of my favorite things is how Dwight stands over Michael's shoulder.
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That's also when Pam comes into the office to say someone wants to sell handbags. And Michael is totally against it, of course, until he sees how attractive the woman is. A lot of people wrote in and wanted to know, where did these purses come from that she's selling? So I called Phil Shea. Our prop master. Yes. He told me that he bought them all in downtown LA. Oh, at like the markets downtown?
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It was early on when we weren't brave enough to ask to take things yet.
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Later, when the show wrapped, I did take Pam's everyday purse. It's just something that had been sitting, even if I didn't use it in a scene, it sat on Pam's desk or it was in her drawer. Yeah. So I have that. I have Pam's everyday purse that she had for most of the seasons. But I didn't keep a fancy purse. There's this scene where Michael has to refer to Katie the purse girl as Pam 6.0.
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This was not an improvisation. I have the script. I know, I know. From Hot Girl. I have all the scripts from season one. I saved them, speaking of saving things. And I looked it up. She is like the improved version of me. Yeah. She is not. Yes, she is.
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It doesn't matter. Even on our plainest day, Amy Adams is Jenna 6.0. She is. No, she's not. It's okay with me.
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It's like we look similar, but then her nose is a little daintier. And her cheeks are a little rosier. And her hair is just a little brighter red. You know what I'm saying? It's just like you just turn it up a couple of notches on the dial and you get Amy Adams. Like if you're creating me, right, you get to me. And then if you turn the dial a couple more notches, it turns into Amy Adams.
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She's Disney you. She kind of is. She's the Disney princess version of me. Yes. Angela, do you have a note card? Because you're like handling a note card right now. I feel like you want to say a note card. I mean, I have one. It's in your hand and then you're touching them. What is it that you want to say?
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No, I'm giving you a chance to speak. Thank you so much. Oh, so it's British when you are offended.
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So this Wednesday, we're going to do it. We're going to be breaking down the super fan episode of Hot Girl. And if you don't have Peacock, don't worry. We'll fill you in. There is still a lot to enjoy. For example, I got to do my Dunder Mifflin hallway investigation. You're very excited about it.
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I love those magazines, too. I read them. And, you know, actually, one of the coolest things that ever happened to me is that one time I had an article in. In an in-flight magazine? Yes. Just like the Doris Roberts thing, I got profiled. What? I would be so excited. Why didn't you tell me? That is so cool. No, I told this story about playing poker in Scotland.
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I know. But it kind of makes you sound like a rock star. It's my biggest rock star moment of my life.
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I'll show it to you. It was for United magazine. Okay. And they had this story where they wanted people to tell the craziest ways they've ever fought jet lag. Okay. So Lee and I had this little romantic trip that we took to Scotland. This was before we had children.
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Yeah, we can just jet off to Scotland for five days. So we were going to spend two days in Edinburgh. And then we were going to go into the countryside for the other three days, do a tour of, you know, like a Scotch factory and everything really fun. So we get there and we thought we will take an overnight flight.
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We will sleep on the plane and we will arrive at noon rested and ready to tour Edinburgh. Yeah, right. This did not happen. We did not sleep on the plane. And we landed. It was noon. And we were thinking, how in the world are we going to make it through this whole day? We were exhausted. So tired. We're touring a castle. We're walking along little shops. We bought some hats.
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Yes. You can't fall asleep in the middle of the day. Then you're ruined. Then the whole five days, you're just going to be sleeping during the day and up at night. So it's five o'clock and we are so exhausted. Just so incredibly exhausted. We thought, here's what we're going to do. We're going to go into a little pub. We're going to get a bite to eat. We're going to have a drink.
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We are going to force ourselves to stay awake until 7 p.m., and then we're going to go back to the hotel and fall asleep. Right. That was your plan. Go to the pub, power through, and then go to bed. Correct. We get to the pub, we order our drink, and we see a sign that says, Poker Tournament, starting at 6 p.m.
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Well, Dave Rogers told us there's a deleted scene from Hot Girl that really sheds some light on where all these hallways go.
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Two pairs of threes. That would be four of a kind. You can. You can win poker with that, Angela.
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We're in Scotland. You're trying to stay awake. So tired. We sign up for the poker tournament. Lee, my husband, he plays poker as well. We're thinking, here's what we'll do. We'll join the poker tournament at 6 p.m. We'll be done at 7. This is how we're going to stay awake that extra hour.
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So much so that we make it to the final table. What time is this? How long have you been there now? It is now midnight. Oh, Jenna. We are... Out of our minds. Exhausted. I don't even know what I'm doing. It's probably why I was doing so well. Because you're so loopy. You're playing the best poker of your life.
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Lee and I are both at the final table and we keep checking in with each other saying, like, should we quit? A couple times Lee went all in because he's like, I'm so tired. Just all in. And he would win. Finally, I get down to the final two. It's 2 a.m. And it's you and one other person? One local Scottish guy who played every week in the tournament. And here you are, this American on her vacation.
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And I won. You won the whole thing. I won. I won the whole thing. I won 200 pounds. Wow. Amazing. Lee and I couldn't believe it. Everyone in the pub was a little bit like, yay. Yay for her. Did you get your name like up on the wall or something? I got my name up on the leaderboard and I was supposed to come back for the championship. Like table that was happening in several months.
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All right. Please enjoy this second drink of Hot Girl, and we will see you Wednesday. I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch Podcast just for you.
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Of course, we all knew I wasn't going to show up. So I think the runner up guy got to take my place. And then we went back to the hotel and we slept so well. And I suffered no jet lag for the rest of that trip. So this was your story. This was the story in the United magazine. And I was so proud to be in that magazine.
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I got copies. I sent them to my mom. I sent them to my in-laws. I have one at home.
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in a pub wearing my hat that I had bought by the way wearing your hat my wool hat and like smiling and I was like what is going on and you were like I want a poker tournament I was like you're supposed to be sleeping yeah but that's I mean truly that is like maybe one of my proudest moments yeah that's a pretty rock star moment lady thank you well we should probably get back to the episode this is the cringiest episode of the office so far
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Not ever. I mean, Scott's Tots, but it's cringy. But Diversity Day is pretty cringy, too. But the whole scene where Michael is talking to Katie about coffee, I was dying.
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Oh, my gosh. She does. And then that scene with Brian over my shoulder asking me if I'm jealous, I laughed so hard during that scene. What was difficult was that I was supposed to sit there and be doing my work, and he is hovering over me and then insulting me, and I could not get through it. Every time he would start his sentence, it would make me laugh.
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That was a scene that I probably laughed the most in when I was shooting this episode. Really? And this leads me into a fan question from Delaney. Did you guys ever get offended by the scripts personally? Like in this episode, how Pam is compared to Katie the whole time? Jenna, did you take that personally? I didn't.
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Also, I feel like so much of comedy and comedians is self-deprecating in nature. Yeah. And so we're a group of people who are pretty honest with ourselves, don't you think? Yeah. It wasn't offensive to me. It was also, it was the idea that has happened to all of us where a more attractive person walks in the room and is getting all the attention and then you feel, you feel jealous.
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But I enjoyed this episode. I loved playing with all those feelings.
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It was so amazing. You know what I gave myself as a direction in that moment in my head? What? Was... When he tells you that, do not blink your eyes. Just stare at him. You're not affected by that. And smile because that is great news. Oh, that's great. That was her way of trying to not show how she was feeling, but then show it shows everything.
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We are here and we're excited because today we're talking about Hot Girl. Hot Girl, season one, episode six, written by Mindy Kaling and directed by Amy Heckerling.
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I loved the you slept one night in your car, right? Yeah. Made me laugh out loud. Yeah. So good. Like for a long time.
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What's so amazing is that Steve and Paul in real life are both of our kind of very gentle, quiet, kind people on the set. And they have to... Well, I guess just Michael has to bully Toby. But Steve and Paul's... real-life relationship is so opposite that.
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I had just been insulted. He insulted me. He just said, we're dating. And I had to say, we're not dating. We're engaged. I'm very hurt. And I walk away. What do you want? And here's my salad and my Tupperware. Deal with it. Have you never been at a meal and been offended and just left your plate? No. No.
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So if you're in a fight with someone over dinner, you get up with your plate and you go rinse it off and put it in the dishwasher.
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Well, I would love to see that. I think it would have been so weird if she had taken her food with her.
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I think it would be funny if she was mad as hell and had to pack up her salad. I have a thing that I wanted to share about Pam's engagement ring to Roy. The props people, when you have to be married on a show, they'll bring you a whole tray of rings. To pick. Yes, you get to pick your engagement ring and your wedding ring.
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Now, these are based on selections that have been pre-edited by the director and producers, right? So you can't just pick, like, a honking ring. Right, it has to match your character's life. Yes, but they give you a variety of things to choose from, and you have to try them on in different sizes.
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So when they gave me the tray of rings, I picked a diamond cluster ring as opposed to a diamond solitaire. And I had it in my mind that... Pam has always been hurt that Roy didn't get her more of the ring she wanted, which would be more of a diamond solitaire, more of what Jim is going to give her later. Right.
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But she's a polite person, and she thinks it's not right to be offended by the ring or to not like the ring, so she had to very graciously accept this ring. But I always felt like... Her opinion of Roy was that he didn't put enough effort into getting to know her or what she would like, or he didn't put a lot of effort into the engagement ring. Or the relationship. Or the relationship.
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But that the ring is really a symbol of his lack of effort and his lack of knowing her. And every day when I would look down at that diamond cluster ring, it would just poke at those wounds that she has in her relationship with Roy. And so when he says boyfriend... That's another way that she's like, that's right. This ring makes me feel like we're not engaged.
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I've been wearing this diamond cluster ring for three years, and it feels like a thing that you give your girlfriend. It doesn't feel like what you give someone when you're proposing, at least for Pam.
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So you see how hurt she was. She was very hurt. You see the history there.
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And this is probably one of the biggest displays of hurt and anger that Pam has ever had. Yeah. Because she doesn't let it out.
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CET? Where? Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Yes, I see it. I see it. What is that? I don't know. We need to find out from John. And Phil Shea. We will text John and Phil and get an answer. I have a fan question. Okay. This is from Mary Beth. The scene where Dwight is talking to Katie about buying a purse when Jim and Pam start awkwardly narrating the interaction.
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Was that scene scripted or did John and Jenna just play off whatever Rain decided to do? It was improvised. We were on set, and we had a little scripted scene, and then it was suggested that we narrate what was going on. I think it was John's idea. So Rain knew that we were going to do that, so he started doing all kinds of crazy stuff with the purses, like slamming it on the desk.
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I am not a great improviser in like comedy, improv, sketch comedy. I took a couple of those classes and I always really tanked. I froze. I'm very good at improvising in a specific character, but not if the specific character has to be funny and say clever things. That's not my forte. It's okay, lady. I know you're good at it. You, that was your thing. I love it. I know. I love it.
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All right, Jenna, hit us with a synopsis. All right, synopsis of this episode. Michael allows a woman selling purses to set up in the conference room for the day, and Michael and Dwight compete for her attention. Very simple.
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Just to keep us on plot, at this point in the episode, Michael buys a Starbucks coffee machine. A thousand dollars. A thousand dollars. This is going to be the incentive for the salesperson who sells the most. But then he unwraps it and makes Katie the purse girl a cup of coffee.
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I love his line, though, where he says, Dunder Mifflin in the 80s, before they knew how bad cocaine was. Man, did they move paper. Man, did they move paper. So funny. I love that line. I also remember the scene with Michael and Dwight. Michael tells Dwight that he's going to be giving Katie a ride home. And Dwight asking if he loves her. Do you love her? Do you love her?
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I remember they could not get through that scene. The two of them were cracking each other up. It went on forever. Forever.
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And then he gets up and he walks away. Yes. Yes. So here's something interesting about that. I, as Jenna, hate being tickled. Yeah, you hate it. I don't like it. It is not. It certainly would not be the way to make up with me. It would make you angry. It would. Yeah. I would be like, no.
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And I think that when I was filming that, I had to really wrap my head around the fact this is a way that Jenna and Pam are different. Yeah. Yeah. Pam is won over by it. Pam is like, oh, come on. Oh, no. That is how they make up. Yeah. Pam and Roy are friends again, or I guess engaged again after that moment. Whatever they are, they're back. Whatever they are, they're back.
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But for me, as Jenna, I had to really stuff all of my Jenna instincts because I do not like tickling. What?
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This was really a Big Pam episode. It really was. So should we start with some fast facts then? I know you want to. You know. My fast fact, number one, this is the first episode written by Mindy Kaling.
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And I have no- You flail your arms when people scare you. Yeah, I've seen it happen.
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Yeah. You need to hope that you never have to do a scene where someone scares you. It'll be very. Because you will. How will you keep your arms from not whacking? I don't know. I don't know. Someone will get hurt. That was the difficulty for me in that scene because tickling me makes me irritated. Want to whack someone. Does not make me laugh.
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This is where you want to go for cheese, Ange. Oh, I know. I love their cheese. There's such a huge selection. Yes. And not just that. They also have all the best, like, little extras that go on your cheese board. The nuts and the dried fruit and the little jams and the big stuff.
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And they have it at Whole Foods. Yeah. And don't forget about the 365 by Whole Foods Market seasonal cookies and baking mixes. Or go to the bakery department for some timeless classics.
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Angela, I want to start by asking you a question. Okay. You know the scene where Dwight is asking Katie on the date, and it's in front of your character because you're looking at purses? Your face during that moment, what were you thinking? I did not even look up. No, you just kept your eyes down.
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That's like she wrote an entire season of The Office. I know. Of our night, because the season's usually about 22, 24 episodes. I have a fan question about Mindy. All right. This is from Bear. Hi, Bear. Yes. Bear asked, this episode was written by Mindy Kaling. What was it like to work with her as a writer versus an actor? Oh, Bear, good question. I know. You know what?
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But D'Angela is not a thing yet. No. But it is so easy to superimpose what we know is going to happen between your two characters onto this moment. But people were asking if you knew that your characters were going to end up together in that moment yet, but you didn't, right?
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Well, after that, you have a line that is one of my favorite lines of your character where you describe your favorite colors. This is a fan question from Emmy. Angela, did you improvise the scene where you discuss your colors being different shades of gray?
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It really then informed a lot of your wardrobe after that. You had been kind of wearing these muted colors, but that became your uniform moving forward. Okay, Jenna, what else do you have? All right. The scene where Ryan and Michael are cleaning out his car. That was not improvised. No, that was scripted. A lot of people asked all of it. Blue Blast, Smell Alike, How Many Filet-O-Fish Do You Eat?
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All of those lines are in the script. I checked because when I was watching it, it was so hard for me to believe that it was not improvised that I went back to my script and I read it. And I think that it just points to how good the writing was on our show. Fantastic. Just how good. And also how good the actors were. I mean, BJ and Steve in that scene, Just absolutely brilliant.
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Mindy also told me that the reference to the Filet-O-Fishes is a nod to her disgusting love of Filet-O-Fish in real life.
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I loved when Mindy was the writer of the episode because the writer of the episode on our show would stay on set all week and produce their episode with the director. So they kind of worked very side by side with the director. Yes.
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Yeah. I could watch that scene over and over again. I think that's a gem. I think if you haven't rewatched this episode, but you're listening to the podcast, just please go watch that scene. It's so good. Terrific.
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Yes. You should, definitely. Here is something that everybody wrote in about. This was one of our most popular questions. What's up with the wrong parking lot at the end of this episode?
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Yes. So when we moved in season two and beyond, we had two sound stages. One sound stage was a recreation of the office, that interior office that we shot in the first year. The other building is where the writers worked.
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Yes. And that is where we filmed the Dunder Mifflin parking lot. So it was really interesting because we had our warehouse set. Over there. And then we had the parking lot. And we had the lobby and the elevator where Hank sat. Yes. All of that was one building. But then the Dunder Mifflin building was something else.
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So if we had to do a scene where you see us walk out, we would have to start that scene in one building and then move all the cameras and all of us over to the other building and then get the exterior version of it.
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And I have a story about that parking lot. You see in that final shot, it starts with Michael and Jim and Katie leaving. She's got her big bag. Michael realizes that Jim is going to be giving her ride home because they're going to get drinks. And then it reveals Pam and Roy backing up in Roy's truck and Pam clocks Jim and Katie.
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So David and I had to sit in that truck in the parking lot and wait a very long time until everyone came out and did that scene. And we had a little walkie-talkie inside the truck and they would say, go. And then David would back up and we would pull out and the camera would get that shot of me looking sad and we would drive off. And then they would say, reset.
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And we would bring the truck back and then we would wait a very long time. At the end of the night... They reset us back into the parking lot. And we sat there. And we sat there in the truck. We sat there in the truck. And then all of a sudden, we saw everyone driving away in their own cars. Oh, no. They left us in the truck. They forgot to tell us that they had wrapped us. Oh, Jenna.
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For the day. And we were all done and we were leaving. You were done. You were changing clothes. You were getting in your cars. We saw the director leave. We saw actors. David and I were like, what? What? What is going on? So, and here's the thing. I've talked about this before. David Denman and I were very good friends in real life.
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Well, Mindy, it was so easy to make Mindy laugh. Like, she was so ready to love everything you were doing. You were filled with such confidence when Mindy was on the set. And she also was really good on the spot coming up with new jokes, because that was another thing that the writer of the episode would do. They would pitch you improvisations on the spot.
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We talked about in the basketball episode how you and I became best friends because we had to sit on that bench for hours and hours. This is really the episode where David and I became such good friends. Well, you had a lot of like St. Louis connections. We did. You had mutual friends. And we had the poker connection. Yes. David and I played in a poker game together with our crew.
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We would host these poker games. Rain was in on it. Chris Workman, who was one of our camera operators. Ed, our camera assistant. We would all get together and we would play poker. And he was part of that. So he was one of my poker pals. And anyway, this was the episode where we really became friends because we got left in that truck.
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Yes, you saw it, Angela. Yes, I saw it. And I almost texted you, backgroundexpert.com. But I thought, no, I'm going to wait and see if she sees it.
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Who was one of our extras for a very long time. So that makes sense. I saw that and I got so excited for you. I got so excited. Because you knew. I knew you were going to clock it. You knew I had my note card ready. I have a final little tidbit. I have a Fisher tidbit. The coffee maker. We never find out who won the coffee maker. No.
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I asked Phil Shea because a fan wrote in. They wanted to know, did any of us get to keep it? People are very interested in the things we're allowed to keep and not keep. I get it. He said no. He said it was borrowed. From Starbucks and had to be returned. I believe that. Where is that machine now?
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What's going to happen season two? Who do I get stuck with in season two? Dun, dun, dun.
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Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
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Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.
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always felt like Mindy was such a big advocate for the character of Pam as well. I think she was in the writer's room pitching storylines for Pam, and this was a very Pam-centered episode, as we said. Pam has feelings. She has a lot of feelings. Pam has a lot of feelings. She does. This leads me into my second fast fact.
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I was texting with Mindy about this episode in preparation, and she told me something. What? The original title of this episode was Purse Girl.
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Yeah. She also told me that her original draft of this was 39 pages. Wow. Which is a lot because usually the number of pages that a script is, that's how many minutes of screen time it is. So her script, if we did it exactly as written, would have been 39 minutes. Wow. which we would not have been able to air.
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I remember they used to have those very long table drafts and then they would cut a bunch of stuff out and they would make something they called the candy bag.
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And those were all of the cut scenes or they were additional takes on scenes. So whatever talking head wound up in the script, there would be five different takes on that talking head in the candy bag. And so we would sit down to do our talking heads and they would say, all right, well, we're going to do the scripted one, but then we're going to do three of them from the candy bag. Oh,
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You have to really be on your toes. I think that's something that it kept us on our toes. Yeah, sure.
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All right, Fisher, what else you got? All right. I think it's time to talk about Amy Adams.
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I see, and a lot of them have the words Amy or Amy Adams on them.
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Well, this is our third fast fact. Okay. Amy Adams was the purse girl. Mindy told me that Amy was her favorite from the very beginning. This is who she wanted to cast as the purse girl from her audition. But something that I think people don't realize is that Amy Adams wasn't Amy Adams when she was cast as the purse girl. She became Amy Adams later.
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And that's an interesting story, actually, because we filmed this episode in the fall of 2004, but they didn't start airing until the spring of 2005. And that fall, she was nominated for an Academy Award for her role in Junebug.
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Oh, I loved Amy. It was so fun working with her. There were a lot of questions from fans asking if we planned to bring this character back after we shot it. Well, we didn't think we were going to have a show, right? Right. There were no real plans to bring her back. But then when the show got picked up, they wanted to bring her back. But now she was Academy Award nominated Amy Adams.
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I was like, well, I hope we can get her back. And we did. She came back for two more episodes.
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Yeah, like the Hollywood fancy place to eat. It was a fancy place.
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I have a funny Amy Adams story about how people think that we look alike. So she and I were both at this work party thing. I can't remember exactly. I think it was like honoring directors in the industry. And we were both there. And my friend came up to me and he said, I am so humiliated right now. And I said, what happened? And he goes, I just went up.
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And bear hugged Amy Adams and said, Jenna, you look beautiful. Oh, no. Because he mixed us up. And people have this thing where they think she and I look a lot alike. We really don't look anything alike in person. Although I guess I just told a story about someone who mixed us up in person.
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I think you should work on it. Okay, thanks. Give it an accent. Should it be British?
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Before we go to a break, since we're talking about Amy Adams and how wonderful she is, both on and off set, we have to tell the story about how she helped us meet Meryl Streep.
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Oh. The office had been nominated. And I have to say, first of all, Angela, I am so grateful that I got to go to these award show things with you.
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But I am so glad that I got to navigate all that stuff with you because I would normally kind of freeze up at something like that. But I was there with my BFF. We would have a couple glasses of wine. We would sometimes get a little, well, because one thing we should say is we were not allowed to bring a plus one.
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Truth be told. Even though our show was nominated, it did feel like that. Well, first of all. Wait, wait, wait. What? Do you remember where our table was?
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I do remember that. Yeah. So the Golden Globes are really cool because they have awards for both movies and television. There are cool movie stars you see. Yeah. As TV people, we were in the room with Angelina Jolie suddenly and Brad Pitt and all those people.
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Well, I will say, I remember going to the bathroom and Angelina Jolie passed by. She took my breath away. I thought, well, now she is from the gods. I get that.
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I know. Did I sound like an old lady? Now that is a movie star.
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That's just us anywhere. We've done some real dorky things at parties.
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That is true. I have a little bit of my mom's voice in my ear. And my mom would say, if you are at a fancy party, you need to meet the fancy people. You need to use it as an opportunity. Come on. Go say hi to the people you want to say hi to. So I always had that in the back of my head. Like, this is my only chance to... Whatever. Hobnob? Yeah, meet whoever I've always wanted to meet, I guess.
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But what do you do? How do you get into the conversation is always the mystery. So at this Golden Globes... I'm starting to laugh. We had our in. We look across the room and we see... Amy Adams talking to Meryl Streep.
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And then maybe we'll get to meet some movie stars. Yeah. We'll just basically glom on to Amy Adams was our plan.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
He felt like we always see stories of people being fired and how they're wrestling with having been fired. But he was like, you never see what it does to the boss. That's the genius of Greg Daniels right there. Well, the problem that this plot presented for Greg was that he was going to have to fire someone on the show. He was going to have to pick a Dunder Mifflin employee to be part of the plot.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Well, he couldn't fire any of the series regular characters because we all had contracts. And he didn't want to fire any of the supporting cast, even though at this point you guys still did not have your full-time contracts, right?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Were you a little worried? Well, maybe. Well, Greg didn't have any intention of losing them. He didn't want to lose anyone in the warehouse. But he also told me he didn't want to hire someone new that you'd never seen on the show just to fire them. He felt like those stakes would feel very manufactured. So he turned to our two background actors, Creed and Devin.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
And he was like, well, these guys are very well established on the show at this point. And this is where I'd like to know what happened. Because I know the end of this story, which is that Greg found out that Devin had a theater contract coming up, that he was going to go on tour with a play. And so that – That's what Devin said. Yeah.
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Oh, my God. Wait, they're going to shoot the scene two ways?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
All right. Fast fact number two, this is the first time we see Pam's hair down instead of her usual half up, half down hair clip.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Oh, well, then, Creed, you're going to love some of my note cards, if that's important. Buckle in. But this was a huge deal. Kim Ferry, our hairstylist, and me, and Greg, and Paul Feig, we all had a meeting about Pam's hair and if we could let her hair down. And it was, I mean, it must have been 30 minutes. We talked about it.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
There was a lot of concern that she might look too pretty with her hair down. And I can't remember how we got permission. Kim was delighted. I mean, Kim had been putting my hair in a hair clip now for like 12 episodes or something. She was so thrilled to be able to scrunch it. Do something different. Anything, anything different. And it was kind of a big deal.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Why is Angela Martin putting on purple fake eyelashes? Everyone was too busy meeting about my hair. Yeah.
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All right. Fast fact number three. Creed, I don't know if you remember this. Angela, I think maybe you do. The week we shot the Halloween episode, Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant visited one day. I know this because I have a photograph with them. In your cat outfit? In my cat outfit. And Jim is three-hole punch Jim, but you can't really see the holes because he's got his arm around someone.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
So it's a whole picture of our producers and Ricky and Steven and me and John, and I am the only person wearing a costume. I like to imagine that they came to see me in a play where I played a cat or something. Your one-act play? Because we look like we're standing backstage.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
You're the only one in a costume. Yeah, this is how I know this, because I only have two pictures of myself with Ricky and Steven, and one of them is me in a cat costume.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
All right. Those are my fast facts. That's our summary. Do we need that bathroom break? Let's do a bathroom break. Let's do a bathroom break. I could use one.
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Well, Ange, I agree, and I actually panicked because I couldn't think of anything that we hadn't already shared about this episode. You guys, Angela and I have been dividing up, taking the lead on second drinks, and I was assigned to Halloween, and I did not know what we were going to do. I really felt like we shared it all. But then, guess what? What? I found my old MySpace blog for this episode.
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He's like, I wish I could fire Sherry. Sherry. I mean, I want to know who Sherry is. Who is Sherry? Yes. I thought the same thing. So the first thing I did, I went to IMDb, Internet Movie Database. I did too. I looked up this episode, uncredited. Uncredited. Who is Sherry? Who is Sherry? I reached out to Dave Rogers. He was the editor for this episode.
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No one knows. Listen to what Dave did. Dave reached out to Allison Jones, our casting director. who went to her storage facility.
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Found the contracts for this episode, looked it up. Wow. Allison, thank you. Oh, my gosh.
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It is. This is CSI The Office. You're like CSI The Office. It is Lisa Malone. Okay. And by the way, this was shot on September 13th, 2005.
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I want to go back, Angela, because I have a note that precedes your note card. Is it at five seconds? Is it the shot of Devin and Creed at their desks?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Yes. Yes. I noticed it too. The second shot of this episode is Creed and Devin at their desks. I have to imagine this was not an accident, that they wanted to drive home Devin and Creed since we know that one of you- It was well placed.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Well, the scene with Michael and Pam, do you guys remember how he's wearing the second head? Yes. Yes. Oh, I have a card. Pam goes in his office, and he tells her that he needs to fire someone, and then he sort of implies maybe it could be her. Oh, I have two cards from this scene, too. And so Pam decides to quickly start flattering him. She pivots hard. About his costume.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
And then she just gets out of the room as quickly as possible. I could not get through that scene. Listen, Steve is funny enough on his own. But Steve with that extra Steve on his shoulder. It was too much. And it wobbled in a sort of weird way. He was wobbling it on purpose. He loved it. He loved wobbling that thing. He loved it.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Old tech. Yes. And there were several tidbits that we never shared. Are you ready? I'm so ready. All right. First off, Ange, in our breakdown, we talked about your cat costume and how your tail was very hard to sit in. But according to my blog... One of the ears on your costume kept falling down and it was ruining takes. Do you remember this?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
And, you know, it's interesting you bring that up, Creed, because we've talked a lot about how Michael wants to be popular. He wants to be friends with people. He wants to be the life of the party. But I think this episode goes beyond that, that it isn't just that he knows that it's going to be he's going to not be well liked by the person he fires. I think it really like.
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I think it touches on something. He really doesn't want to hurt someone else.
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So it's deeper than that just unpopularity thing.
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I get more pictures at Halloween of Pam as a cat and Jim as three-hole punch. I think that is the most popular Halloween costume that I get sent to me.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Yeah, that when you guys are both dressed in the same costume.
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Angela, I want to talk to you about your costume. Please. Okay, Michael comes over to accounting. You're dressed as a cat. There's three cats. Phyllis is a cat. I'm a cat. You're a cat.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Hobo. Yeah. Yeah. Angela, why does your cat only have two lines for whiskers and not three? Jenna, I don't know. Why does my cat have purple fake eyelashes? Why does your cat have weird cat ears? I mean, I just want to say that as the resident cat lady of the office, I think you have the worst cat costume.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
But you ended up wearing that costume like two more times. For years. And it's the worst one. It really is. I have a vague memory, a very, very vague memory of being in makeup and having them discuss how they were going to differentiate the three different cats. And it was decided that Phyllis and I would have three whiskers On each cheek, and you would only have two. My cat was maimed.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
I feel like that happened. I don't know if we can ask Laverne. Laverne was our makeup artist. I don't know. I don't know. But I mean, right? I just think you had- You were smaller.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
There's a great slow pan of Kevin. We should say we loved dressing up in these Halloween costumes. Oh, yeah. Because our outfits normally were pretty boilerplate. It was almost like we wore uniforms in a way.
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See, I don't think this counts because it's a Halloween costume. What? Yeah. I'm sorry to say.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
All right. You know the scene where Pam and Jim set up a resume for Dwight to get a job someplace else? I have a fan question about that. RCJH asked, what were you typing on the computer when you and Jim were working on Dwight's resume? I was typing what we were saying. Of course you were, Jenna. Of course you were. Because you're so method. I was very method.
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And I was like, oh, yes, it was driving us crazy. Well, I also shared that you broke several cookies in that scene that we had together in the conference room. You know, the one where you ask me what I brought and I say brownies and you're like really pissed off because you're like same category as you brought cookies. And then I like slam the tray down. Yes.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Yeah, because Jim would say, like, I would say, what should we say here? And then he would say what we should say, and I would type it. And see, here's the thing. I'm very proud of my typing skills.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Well, you should know I was typing her actual lines because I could. Well, I think that's pretty great, though. Because I can.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
That's right. She's very fast. Michael's seen with Dwight when he calls Dwight into his office, and he tells Dwight that he has to fire someone, and Dwight starts naming all the people he should fire. But then Michael implies maybe it should be Dwight, and then Michael's second head starts talking to Dwight. That's right. Do you remember- Do you remember Steve and Rain laughing during that scene?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Because I do. I remember they could not get through that scene. I'm sitting out at reception in the background and they were cracking themselves up in there.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
And something that we haven't talked about on the show yet is the idea of actor marks. So usually on a television show, so that they can get these shots, they put a little piece of tape on the ground. And if you, for example, if Jim had to walk up to Pam's desk, there would be a little mark on the ground and he would have to stand exactly on that mark. And it's really hard to do.
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I mean, do you guys find it hard to do? I'm always, I feel like I'm always looking down for the tape and then I get to my spot and I look up. It's like a hard thing to manage. Well, on our show, we did not have that. It would just let us
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
wander they would say just walk up in this general area and the camera will find you yeah it was so loosey-goosey so amazing didn't you say you were in a band called loosey-goosey i was in a band called loosey-goosey i was i was in a band you were not with peter white who used to play with al stewart anybody probably still does we had a band uh with dave camp on sax and uh
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Creed, we just need you to just sit here and tell us about all your stories. Creed, you have literally the most interesting life. I have a fan question for you.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
This is a fan question from Todd Myers, and this feels like a good place to ask it. Who is the biggest rock star you ever partied with during your touring days? Oh.
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In my blog, I wrote this quote, Angela kept slamming them down on the plate and discussed during the scene.
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Maybe it doesn't have to be the biggest. No. What's the most interesting? Yeah.
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And it's got to live somewhere in some blooper land. It must. I mean, we talked about how that was a hard scene to get through, but I failed to mention that you were destroying cookies. With one ear. Now, this episode also features the very first Jim and Pam air high five. I know we talked about it because I love it. Yes, we discussed it, but we did not talk about how that was an improvisation.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Well, I mean, I feel like there's a backstory missing here. Did you assign me something other than brownies? I'm sure I did. That's your implication. Yes. You're implying that I went rogue and brought brownies instead of chips and dip. You clearly did. I clearly at some party planning... Don't you say, where's the chips and dip or something?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
All right. After watching that clip, I will admit, I think Pam did go a little rogue. Clearly, you assigned me chips and dip.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
All right. Guys, I think we should go to a break and then we'll come back and finish the episode.
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Oh, my God. I love having you here, Creed. I do, too.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
That was not scripted, lady. So wait, it wasn't in the shooting draft? No, I can't believe I didn't share this the first time. In fact, there wasn't any description in the script for how Pam reacts to Jim pretending to be Michael Scott on the phone. He does this impression of Michael because they're tricking Dwight. Yeah. And when he hangs up, we do the air high five.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Creed, we're going to make you come back on this podcast all the time. I hope you're ready. You know what? We could carpool. We could. I could swing by and pick you up. You're like, oh, my God, Angela lurking, lurking. These office ladies. You guys, do you remember the scene where Jim takes a phone call? From a potential employer for Dwight. And he does a Michael Scott impression.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
It's really good. John does a very good job. It's at 8 minutes, 34 seconds. Oh, you've got the time code. Guys, is this when we find out that Michael's middle name is Gary? Oh, is this the first time it's said? Because he says Michael G. Scott, Michael Gary Scott. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
We couldn't get it. It's difficult. You guys did it perfectly. Yeah. And you know what? We kind of did it perfectly the first time. It was meant to be. It was meant to be. That speaks to our chemistry, I believe. So shortly after this momentous air high five, very sadly, Pam tells Jim he should go for the job at Cumberland Mills. Yes. But the job is in Maryland, and he is so hurt.
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It is because he's, you know, later he's going to go off to the other branch.
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Yeah, they are. Always. It's true. But sometimes just through a comment. We're seeing in this second season, in each episode, there seems to be a really sweet moment with Jim and Pam and then a moment where someone gets their feelings hurt a little bit. So many feelings. So many feelings.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
But then at the end, Jim admits that if it weren't for Pam, he would take the job at Cumberland Mills because the pay is twice as much, it's a better job, yada, yada. So why is he staying?
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But in the script, it says nothing. It doesn't even say Pam looks delighted. And my memory is that John suggested that we air high five to give it a little button at the end. We nailed it the first time and everyone freaked out on how cute it was.
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Oh, crabby. Jim eats tuna sandwiches and Pam eats... Sour cream and onion chips. They're a match made in heaven.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Wow, what is there? The smells in this office. I know. Oh, dear. All right, so finally, Michael asks for Jim's help, and he wants to do some role-playing. Where he tries to fire someone. And that is just a delicious scene. Did you enjoy that one?
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
And he's like, wait, is this you as you? Or who are you right now? What is happening? John has to check in. And this brings us to your big scene. Oh, here we are. After that scene, he calls you in. And tell us, break it down for us. What was it like to sit in that chair? And now you're going to launch into five pages with Steve Carell. Right.
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Are these some of your notes that you wrote in your script for intention? No, no. This is just him storytelling, Jenna.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
So after that scene, Michael does fire Devin.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
In a much shorter scene. Oh. Devin gets so angry, he announces to the office, if anyone wants to join me at Poor Richard's Bar. Poor Richard's Bar? Is this the first mention of Poor Richard's Bar?
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Michael gives him a chili's coupon, which is a nice nod back to the Dundies. And he rips it up.
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Well, this is where it all began. I love it. And then, Angela, according to my MySpace blog about this episode. Paul Lieberstein improvised a line in his scene with Steve that made Steve break, and I wrote that it took Steve two full minutes to recover. And I'm like, wow, how did we not talk about this? I checked our breakdown. And sure enough, we had not discussed it. I went back.
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But have we, because we end up mentioning Poor Richard's Bar over and over again, and we go there eventually, but have we mentioned it yet? Oh, in the basketball episode. I think Daryl suggests that we all get drinks at Poor Richard's.
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Or maybe he just knew you wouldn't go. Maybe so.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
And when we go downstairs, we see Hank, the security guy at the security desk, who was played by Hugh Dane.
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Well, it's brilliant because there he is and he's sitting there and it's another example of introducing a character in an episode where they don't speak. But they will eventually. Yeah. They will come back. He did that with so many people. He did that with Craig in the warehouse in the Alliance. You just see him in the background watching Dwight pop out of the box.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Creed, of course, you were in the background forever. And then now Hugh Dane in the background as the security officer.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Yes. At the end of the episode, Michael goes home and you see him sitting alone, very lonely on the couch. And then the doorbell rings and there are trick-or-treaters at the door. And there was a big debate on set about how exactly this scene should play out. About whether or not the kids should be nice to Michael or if they should be annoyed by Michael. How Michael should be with the kids.
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Should he be off-putting? Should he be kind? And the writers and producers... Well, they also discussed if he should be happy or sad while handing out the candy. And they decided that they were going to start on that spy shot of Michael looking sad and lonely all alone on Halloween night. But when he gets to the door, I'm going to cry saying it, he lights up. He makes his silly jokes.
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The kids laugh. The kids love him. Love him.
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And it ends on him making a connection with... I just think it is the most kind and heartbreaking, wonderful scene. I think it's moments like this that make The Office so special. We just spend an entire episode kind of laughing at Michael Scott or finding him annoying. But then in the end, he just breaks your heart with his vulnerability. Take them all.
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Take them all. Take them all. And they love him.
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I watched the episode. There are not any scenes between Toby and Michael. It's a deleted scene. Oh. I must have written this MySpace blog before I knew what the episode was actually going to be when it aired. Right, right. So there's this deleted scene where Toby asks Michael for the name of the employee that is going to be fired so that he can start the HR paperwork.
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Do you agree that when you watch that scene, I think more than any other scene I can recall, I see Steve. Yes. That is Steve handing out candy. Absolutely. That's the kind of just kind-hearted gentleman that he is.
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Well, we did it, guys. We did it. That was the Halloween episode, Creed. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming. But before you go, will you tell us what are you up to now? What are you doing? You have an album and you're touring.
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And Michael tries to fire Toby. I found it and I thought we should listen to it. Okay.
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Well, Creed, some of my favorite memories on the set were at lunchtime when you would play guitar and Ed would play banjo. Ed's trailer was next to mine. You'd go in his trailer and the two of you would play through my lunch. And I just loved it.
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Creed, can we end with a final fan question?
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This is from Tim Blair. Tim asked, do you have a favorite Creed line from the whole show?
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Yes. Applause from the booth. And that is how you end an episode, my friend. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Creed. Oh, everyone, please join us next week when we will be talking about the fight. The fight. Yeah.
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Okay. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink. This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf. Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
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Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.
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What line made him laugh? I said that it was some improvisation that made Steve lose it. I was clearly sitting in the background at reception observing this whole thing be shot. But I checked the script and it's exactly as scripted. So I guess maybe the improv didn't make it in the cut. But I do know that if anyone could make Steve break, it was Paul.
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That's my guess. Yeah. Well, finally, Angela, I shared in my MySpace blog that Rain, John, and Brian held their first ever PlayStation 2 boxing contest during our downtime for this episode. But I guess the episode finished shooting before they could finish the tournament. I noted that Rain and John were down to their final fighters. That just brings me right back.
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Pretty much. Well, that's a really fun second drink, lady. Thank you. I was very excited. Well, everyone, we hope you like this breakdown of Halloween. Like Angela said, it's with our dear friend Creed Bratton. It's a really good one. Creed is so fun. You're going to love it. All right. Here it is. Enjoy. I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together.
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And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office rewatch podcast just for you.
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Creed is here. Creed is here. Creed is here.
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Yeah! This is so amazing. Creed's going to be with us for the whole episode, guys.
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We can provide you with a bathroom break. That'd be good.
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I need everybody to know that I've already teared up twice since Creed has been here. Oh. You've said two touching, well, first of all, just seeing you. Oh. Almost burst into tears, but then you've said like five amazing things that have touched my heart already.
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Season two, episode five. This was written by Greg Daniels and directed by Paul Feig. And it is the first episode that Creed speaks.
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Because they used to do that to us all the time. All the time. Oh, all the time. We would come in and you'd just get new pages and then shoot the scene five minutes later.
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Well, you knocked it out of the park, Creed.
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Second Drink: Halloween with Creed Bratton
Well, Creed, you started out as a musician.
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And a very long, successful career as a musician. How did you even end up on the show in the first place as our stand-in slash background person?
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Oh, I love that. Oh, that is so cool. That is awesome. What's next? Should we do a summary? Jenna, do you have one? You know I do. Yes. So in this episode, Halloween, Michael is told that he must fire someone during the month of October due to cutbacks at Dunder Mifflin. But in true Michael fashion, he waits until the very last day of October, which also happens to be Halloween. Okay.
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He also has no idea who to fire. He has not made a decision. He spends the entire episode trying to figure out what to do while the rest of us are dressed in our costumes for the Halloween party. I love that. So much.
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Well, I have a fast fact about this episode. Fast fact number one, Greg Daniels wrote this episode, and he told me that the inspiration for this episode was that he had always wanted to do a story about someone being fired, but from the point of view of the boss rather than the employee. Huh.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Oh my gosh, Angela, this is a harrowing statistic. Every 26 seconds, a burglary takes place, according to FBI data?
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He would still be playing Mose. Of course. We also introduce another recurring character in this episode. It is the realtor. Yes, Carol Stills. Carol Stills, played by Nancy Carell, Steve Carell's wife. Who is hilarious. Nancy is hilarious, and we will talk more about her scenes with Steve as we get into this episode. Fast fact number three, this was our first time working with director Paul Feig.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to our second drink of Office Olympics. I really love this episode so much. But my favorite stuff is the stuff in the condo with Michael and Dwight. I ended up rewatching this whole episode. And I think that I love that stuff because we weren't there. And so when I watch them, I think I'm really seeing them as an audience member. And those two are so funny.
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Yay! Who is undoubtedly one of our favorite directors.
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We've talked a little bit about how he and his wife, Lori, would host our viewing parties, but this was our first time working with him. And I'll never forget... When he walked on set, because he was wearing a full suit and tie.
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A lot of them were like vintage suits, so they were also super cool. They weren't stuffy. I mean, they were like super hip.
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Yeah, they look like people who read The New Yorker. don't they? They're super smart. They can read the long articles because those articles are super long.
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You are in love with his Instagram. I am. His Instagram. She is obsessed with his Instagram.
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Yes. Yes, this is true. Paul Feig, before this, had worked on Freaks and Geeks, which I was a huge fan of. And actually, Freaks and Geeks is the very first television show I ever auditioned for.
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I did not audition for one of the regular characters. The show had already happened. But I went in for a guest appearance, I think just three lines. And this was because Allison Jones, who cast The Office, also cast Freaks and Geeks. This started my relationship with Allison Jones. I went in. I auditioned for Freaks and Geeks. I did not get the role.
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She called me back later for a TV show called Undeclared that was produced by Judd Apatow, and I did get that part, just one line. And then, you know, five years later, she called me to audition for The Office. Wow. That was all Alison Jones. But I almost worked with Paul Feig on Freaks and Geeks, but it didn't happen. But it was meant to be. Our paths would cross. Little did I know. And they did.
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But Paul also directed Bridesmaids, one of my all-time favorite movies.
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I want to call your attention to Paul Feig's many books that are amazing, okay? He wrote Kick Me, which is, I guess it's like his autobiography.
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But he's so funny. The book is amazing. And then he also wrote this book called Super Stud or How I Became a 24-Year-Old Virgin. Yes. It's also amazing. So you guys, really, if you want to dive deep on Paul Feig, I recommend these books. Guess what we did? We called Paul Feig for this episode. Who is singing? What has this cleanse done to me? It's turned me into you.
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No, God no. We should not. That's horrible. It's 11 a.m. also. Probably defeats the purpose of your cleanse. Guys, we called Paul Feig and we interviewed him about Office Olympics. We even included some of your questions. So after the break, we're going to talk to Paul Feig.
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Thank you so much for doing this, Paul. It really means a lot.
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Well, you're always welcome to come back. We've got 200 episodes to talk about, and you directed a great deal of them.
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Yeah, so we're going to include some of their questions with our questions.
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Well, to get started, Paul, how did you get involved with The Office?
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Yes. I mean, it starts with them driving to the condo, and Dwight is like messing with Michael's car. And when we did our breakdown of this episode, people were quick to point out that I said this is the first time we see Michael's car, but we actually saw it in Hot Girl. Yeah.
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Did you get to pick Office Olympics from that table read? Or was it assigned to you?
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But also, Paul, I remember in that filming of that scene that you directed all of us to be genuine. And you can see it on our faces that we are genuinely clapping for Michael. We're not mocking him. It was this collective moment with everyone in the office enjoying Michael. supporting one another. It was really sweet. It makes me tear up every time I watch it. I cried when Steve did that.
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I love that. Me too. I love hearing everything that went into how it ended up on screen. We were just acting. You did all this planning. I know.
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I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about picking the condo location in this episode because it's almost like another character it features so prominently. What was the criteria for picking the condo?
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Did we use that same condo in Dinner Party? Did we manage to keep that same place? It looked very familiar to me, didn't it to you? I thought it was the condo, yeah. That's amazing.
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I was talking to Mike Schur about this episode. He was the writer of this episode. And he shared with us your choice of using a wide-angle lens when filming Steve for this episode. Can you talk a little bit about that?
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Well, we got a lot of questions also about the yogurt lids. This was maybe the thing people are most curious about, these yogurt lids.
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Mel wanted to know how many medals were made. Casey wants to know were any other items considered for medals before landing on yogurt lids. Literally any information you can give us about these yogurt lists. Anything about yogurt lists. People want to know.
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It's just so great. It's just so great. And I want to give a guest star shout out to John Harrington Bland as Bill, head of the condo association. He is so funny. The look on his face. John had a recurring role as a reporter on Spin City, which is probably why he was on Alison Jones's radar since she also cast that show. But he's a really talented actor. He's been on so much TV.
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Steve Gordon asked, this is just kind of a fun question, which one of the freaks and geeks could work in the office?
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I hear that. I think that is the right choice.
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I'm still an Emilia Clarke fan, even though I didn't watch Game of Thrones. So, this is very exciting to me because I get to see her in not Game of Thrones.
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I cannot wait to see it. Paul, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Thank you.
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including recurring roles on Boardwalk Empire and The Loudest Voice. And now I've got a really fun catch from this episode that I can't believe we missed the first time around, Angela. At eight minutes and 35 seconds in the scene where Pam is hanging up her homemade banner in the kitchen and Jim is lighting the candle and we talked about safety meeting lit candle. Yeah, yeah. Okay, in that scene,
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Thank you, Paul. Okay, guys, we're back, and now we are going to break down Office Olympics. Yeah. That was so nice talking to Paul. That was so great. All right, let's get into this episode scene by scene. We start with Michael's talking head. He explains that he has come in early, and we learn that Ryan had to come in early to bring Michael a sausage, egg, and cheese biscuit. Ryan is so pissed.
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Angela... I noticed a little bit of Ryan sass. Yeah, Ryan had some sass. Can I get Ryan sass from you? Yeah. Do you have a card that says Ryan sass? I don't because the only person that bumps me with sass is Pam. I knew it was targeted. I knew your sass was not universal. I knew it was personal. See, I just proved it.
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I also remember that Steve had to eat all of those egg and cheese biscuits, and he had a bucket under his desk because he would spit them out. Because remember, he had just gotten in this amazing shape. And I feel like season one Steve might have enjoyed eating all of those, but season two Steve was like, I'm not doing that to my body anymore.
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All right. So then there's another scene that has the thing that I love so much, which is when we start on Michael. speaking to camera, and we widen to reveal Dwight lurking over his shoulder. It is one of your favorite, favorite talking heads. And this is when Michael reveals he is buying a condo, going to become a home owner. Big day for him.
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And then we swoop into the main office, and did you notice this, Angela? The photo on Jim's desk?
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Do you know who that is? It's his nephew.
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He was so excited to put that picture on his desk. Then we go to the scene where Jim and Pam are throwing things into Dwight's cup. This is when Pam has to revive Jim because sometimes he dies of boredom. I remember shooting that. That was really fun. John and I got really into seeing if we really could throw stuff in the cup.
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Like, sometimes that happens where it's in the scene, but then in real life you actually really enjoy it. That was a moment.
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What about Dwight's Mozart, Butch Cassidy talking head? This to me is such a sign of Mike Schur's writing. I think if you go back and look at every amazing Dwight talking head, most of them were written by Mike Schur.
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You're going to get a bullet in your head thanks to Butch Cassidy if you mess with Mozart, everybody. I'm not messing with Mozart. No. Again, Michael's list of magazines. He lists off all his magazines. He asked Pam if she has forwarded Cracked and American Way magazine to his new condo. I just want to point that out.
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Yeah, the one he made up. Yeah. The fake magazine. We also get to see Michael's car in this episode for the first time. Is it for the first time? I think it is.
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Oh, well, then go ahead. At what minutes is the Sebring? I don't write down minutes. That's your thing. It's weird. I like a good list, but you're really obsessed with these minutes.
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You can see our camera operator, Chris Workman, over Oscar's shoulder. Get out. You can see him standing on an Apple box getting the shot.
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But then after that, he gave it to you after this episode, and you would never see it again on the show. It just lived there for this episode. It lived there.
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I want to talk a little bit about Michael's car. Okay. He has the Sebring convertible. I think this is the first time we really see the car. It's certainly the first time we drive in the car. It is. The first time it's featured. And BJ told me that they picked this car very carefully. They felt like it was the flashiest car Michael could afford on his salary.
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Yes, and he's very, very proud of it. And when Michael and Dwight leave the office and they're shooting that scene... Randall Einhorn, our director of photography and also our main camera operator, was shoved in the back seat in order to get those shots.
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He told me that his knees were up by his ears. He was contorted in this weird position. I traded some messages with him, and he said, though, that whenever they had to get in the most painful position, they usually got the best shot. So he was like, you knew you were getting a great shot if you were hurting.
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And I also, the back window of the Sebring broke in this episode, and Randall has been blamed for this on the internet, too. Really? Yes. The internet says that Randall broke the window, and it had to be replaced. It cost almost $900 to replace. I know, because we rented these cars. We didn't buy them. I asked Randall about it, and he said, actually, the window did break.
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He said, this I thought was interesting. He said he thinks it's because they left a camera battery pack On the back shelf, and then when they put the convertible top down, it crunched.
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Would that be you? Camera? Camera? So he said they, but yes, it did break in that scene, and we had to then replace it.
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Yes, because we shot this in the middle of summer.
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Okay, Angela, I have a question about hate ball.
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Yes. In hate ball. Yes. Will you please talk about the braid headband thing?
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The headband braid did not hurt. Like, you would far prefer this over a bun.
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I think, and I'm going to predict because we have not watched all the episodes. We really are watching them in order. Okay. I think her hair comes down in Casino Night. I think it's the first time her hair comes down. I'm going to predict it. So let's see if I'm right as we continue to rewatch. Because I know her hair is down in Casino Night. I remember.
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We're heading there, folks. It's interesting. Her hair comes down the closer Jim and Pam get to kissing, sort of. I don't know.
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Oh, no. That's cleanse logic for you guys.
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Let us talk about Michael's condo, please. Yes. He gets to his condo, and like we said in our Fast Facts, the realtor is played by Nancy Carell. So our casting director, Allison Jones, pitched Nancy for this role. She thought Nancy would be perfect.
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I emailed with Allison, and she said that she had always been a huge fan of Nancy's, and she was looking from day one on our show to find a place for her, and she thought this was perfect. She loved being able to pit Nancy and Steve against one another in this way. Mike Schur told me that Steve was positively giddy when Nancy was on set.
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He was just giggly and delighted that they're so cute together. And we know they're so cute together.
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Angela, you have a three-star card about the condo.
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Yes, this is the first mention of his beet farm.
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Yes, and this brings up a fan question, Angela. Okay. Stan wrote, in this episode, Dwight says that his parents left him a 60-acre beet farm. But in the farm in season nine, Aunt Sally leaves the farm to all three kids if they move back into it. Jenna, did this discrepancy happen because you stole the show Bible? Stan, I have the show Bible right here. I'm referring to page 31 of the show Bible.
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And it says that in Office Olympics, Dwight says he has a 60-acre working beet farm left to him by his grandfather.
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Yes. So, Stan, I do have to say this still does bring up the question of why in Season 9 do we say that it's his Aunt Sally who has the beet farm?
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Well, he has a number of relatives. Oh, I know. You guys, I do want to say that to find this reference in the show Bible, I had to read something like five pages of facts about Dwight Schrute. And I think that if they only published the Dwight Schrute section of the show Bible, it would do very well. Every single one of these bullet points is gold, right?
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Thinks wolves are a major threat to office workers. Thinks wolves are a major threat. Yeah. Season three, episode 20. He says that. He has a bomb shelter. It cost him $1,200. He performed his own circumcision. No. No. He can sneeze with his eyes open. These are amazing. He thinks Triceratops is the lamest dinosaur. I kind of want you to make that. I mean, I could go on and on.
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Uses deer penis as an aphrodisiac. Oh, God. Poor Angela Martin. Appears to be a fan of wrestling. Just fakes it. Not sure. Just for appearances. This one made me laugh out loud. His farm is non-organic. He uses pesticides? I guess so. In some episode, he must brag about the fact that his farm is non-organic.
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He has $30,000 buried very deeply and under someone, and he doesn't want to dig past them to get it. Guys, I mean, I really— The Dwight— We could do a whole episode where I just read you Dwight Schrute from the show Bible.
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This is one of my favorite things that they came up with for a character on our show because we are just going to continue to mine gold from this fact forever.
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Yes, that is real fire, everyone on the set. Please be aware of your sleeves and elbows around the candle. A lit candle, everyone. Okay, safety meeting adjourned. And it's funny because I would go on to do shows or projects where we would have safety meetings and they would be said with sort of that same bravado, but they would really be like, everyone pay attention.
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So please keep your distance. Do not go toward the car after it has exploded, as it will be hot.
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Oh, very large. A very long lighter, too. A very long lighter to protect John's hands. Safety meeting. I want to say in that same scene with the opening ceremonies, I really drew the sign that says, Games of the First Dunder Mifflin Olympiad.
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Yes. What the hell? Really? I made it. Those are my bubble letters. I drew it. I also put together a lot of the yogurt lid... I did it as part of... Your method acting? No, it's not part of my method acting. They gave me some paper clips and yogurt lids, and they had some shots of me putting together the medals at my desk. We never used it, but I did do it. And then I also made that sign myself.
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You know, I feel like Phil Shea came up to me and said, do you want to make the sign since Pam made it? And I said, sure, why not?
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I liked that detail. Mm-hmm. Continuing our conversation about the Office Olympics, we should talk about the game Flunkerton. Yes, we should. I got a lot of questions. People asked, was Flunkerton scripted or improv'd? It was a written line, but I was told to deliver it like I was making it up on the spot. Yes, that was scripted. A lot of people also asked who came up with the term Flunkerton.
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It was Mike Schur. Well, Mike said it was either him or Greg Daniels, but he is personally obsessed with the FL sound. The phle. Yeah. The phle sound. He thinks it's very funny. He said that is also how Toby got his last name Flenderson. That Mike was responsible for that. So he's pretty sure he can claim having written Flonkerton. I remember Phyllis had so much fun doing that scene.
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Yeah. And Pam is super self-conscious about it for the rest of the episode.
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Well, we kind of do. I think Toby's coffee is spilling at the end.
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Yeah, well, obviously something where Pam won a gold medal. Oh, my God, sis. I just want to say. Okay. All right, Angela.
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Oh, I see. I see what you've done there. Thank you. I do have a fan question. Karen asked, did you get to take home the medals? Yes, and I still have mine.
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I have a yogurt lid medal in my home office, and it is hanging on my dundie.
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I think we should. I think we should, too. We should go through our bins, and we should share all this memorabilia and our tons of photos. Yeah. I mean, we have so many. So many. And I also want to do it— Can we finally get on that, please, Angela? Can we do that? Yes! You guys would want that, right? You would want a book of this stuff. Do people want that? Like a scrapbook. A scrapbook.
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OK, so the thing I love about it is that we have teased Greg for so long because a big portion of that was improvisation. When they say, what do you do for a living? He says, I'm a salesman. They say, what do you sell? And he says, yarn. We have teased him about being a yarn salesman. And I think you can hear it in Steve's voice when Steve says, oh, you sell yarn? Yeah.
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Yeah. When that happened in the first take that that happened in, Paul then said to us, this is the direction of this scene.
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This is how we're going to do it. So everyone just... Be proud of Michael. Just play it real.
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I teared up when we shot this. I tear up every time I watch it. I also watched this episode three times in preparation for this podcast, and I cried every time.
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Guys, that's Office Olympics. That is Office Olympics. Join us next week for The Fire. Yes. You're going to hear all about how Angela was almost carried away by a giant bug. And I might have hit John Krasinski. You did hit John Krasinski. All right. We'll see you next week.
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Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
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Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Well, everyone, that was your second drink of Office Olympics. Join us this Wednesday for Is Toby the Scranton Strangler? Yep.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch Podcast just for you.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Hello, everybody. Hi, everyone. Welcome to season two, episode three, Office Olympics. Guys, if I sound grouchy today, it's because I'm in hour four of a cleanse. I've never done one before. I think they're stupid. I don't know why I'm doing it. Angela, what are your thoughts on my cleanse?
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Here's the thing. I was running out of the house this morning. I was late. I didn't have time to make my usual breakfast of scrambled eggs and sliced strawberries. I eat that every morning. Oh, man. I love it. Didn't have time. But I remembered that about eight months ago, I ordered this five-day cleanse at the advice of one of my friends. Who's like healthy or something? Super healthy.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Looks amazing. Skin is amazing. And I thought, well, maybe today's the day. Maybe this is a sign. So I just grabbed day one of the cleanse. It's like a little prepackaged. You know, I had a nut bar for breakfast.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
I've already, I guess, cheated. I hate that. I hate that I'm shaming myself over this thing already. But I'm having coffee. You're not supposed to have coffee on the cleanse. You're supposed to have tea. It's not even caffeinated tea. What am I supposed to do with that? What is wrong with these people? That's what I'm saying. I don't know.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
And I already decided I think I'm going to eat a full meal for dinner. I don't know.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Why am I even saying I'm doing a cleanse when I've already planned to eat dinner tonight? I'm not doing – I'm kind of doing a cleanse.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
It's so true. I'm so thrown that I start to make really wackadoo decisions.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
This episode, as I said, is Office Olympics, written by Mike Schur and directed by Paul Feig. Yay! Let me give a summary. In this episode, Michael has to leave the office for the day to sign papers on his new condo. He's becoming a homeowner, everyone. Dwight goes with him, leaving Jim in charge, who decides to use the day to stage Office Olympics with the employees. Fast fact number one.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Office Olympics was inspired by the King of the Hill Office Olympics. Yes. The writers on Greg's show, King of the Hill, created a real Office Olympics, and that is what inspired our episode.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
What were they not doing during this day and a half?
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
This is crazy. How many years did they do this? Do we know? This was an annual thing, right?
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
I love all of that information. That was amazing. Also, this episode ended up inspiring offices around the country to do their own Office Olympics. I mean, this got even bigger than just our TV show.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Fast fact number two, writer Mike Schur makes a cameo appearance in this episode. Oh, yeah. Appearing in a photograph as Dwight's Amish cousin, Mose.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Your explanation of Amish in the City is making me want to watch Amish in the City.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Well, I guess the writers were obsessed with Amish in the City as well. And the entire first season of The Office, they would all talk about it. And so finally, when we got to season two, that was their way of honoring their love of Amish in the city was this character of Moe's that Mike Schur – I think he thought he was just appearing in a photograph.
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Second Drink: Office Olympics with Paul Feig
Little did he know he would go on to play this character for nine years.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, Brian, I want to talk about something else with you. You know, there's a reason why you've been using all these really big words today. It's because you are an author. Yes. And you right now have a book called The Night Before Christmas at Dunder Mifflin.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
When you open up the book, just the very first page, you know, it says, "'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through Dunder Mifflin, not an accountant was stirring, not a mouse was a-clickin'." It's so cool because it just brings you right into the world of the office. Pam is sleeping at her desk. Jim's sleeping. Everybody's sleeping kind of at their desks.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It looks like the Christmas party has happened, and we've all sort of fallen asleep after the party. Yeah.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And it's just, it's really fun, Brian. It's kind of like I got the Lego, the office Lego one year. And when you put it together and you see all the details.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I just think that your book is illustrated in that same fun way where you see all these little nods. Like Andy's wearing a hat that says, I went to Cornell. Yes. Well, that's his gift. I know. Santa. From Santa. I have to say, Santa is a much better gift giver than Michael Scott is. Yes. In this book, he really knows his employees well. It's very sweet. Yes.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
My cats are always ill. Now, we should let our listeners know that this is a little PG-13. It's a little bit for your older kids. This is not for your five-year-old. Because like the show, right, the book has nods to the show. So if the content of the show feels appropriate to watch with your children, then the book is appropriate. Yeah.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Which makes it perfect. Yes. It's for fans.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Brian, thank you so much for coming by and talking with us today.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
In person. It's true. I mean, I talk to Brian all the time. I see Brian quite often, actually. And so do you. But the three of us, it's been a while. Yeah. And we'll be sure to put a link in our stories so you can get all the details about his new book. It is so cute. And it would make a good gift if you have an office lover in your family.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
That's right. We're going to snack. We're going to open gifts. And we got all this stuff at Macy's, including the Moose Munch.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But it also, yeah, so there's like chocolatey popcorn, there's caramelly popcorn, and there's also nuts. It's just the sweet and salty paradise is what it is. You guys want some? Yep. Okay, now we have our snack. That's our party snack.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Get ready for a special holiday episode thanks to the folks at Macy's. Yes, thank you, Macy's. You know, Angela, when we were preparing this episode, I went back and I watched that scene of you singing. I didn't know you were going to play it today.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
We get it every year. All right. So we put your presents out there. Everybody gets two things. You get a big and a little. Okay. Should we start with the littles? Let's start with the littles. Oh, Sam, yours are very similar in size. One of them is slightly smaller than the other.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Sam's going first. Okay. All right. So, Sam, I know this is a tradition of yours, and I hope you don't have this one.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
For lunch. You were literally eating this meal when we were having a meeting. Yes.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It's an ornament. But look at which one it is. Okay. Macy's has all these ornaments from Holiday Lane, and they are so cute. They've got a whole section of food, Sam. Oh, really? Just ornaments that are food.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It's a cheese board ornament. I thought I could remind you of our giant cheese cart from our celebration dinner. Oh, I love it. And just the fact that I love cheese so much.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Here we go. Oh, it's an I Love New York ornament.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It is my happy place. Yay. All right. Well, now that everybody has something to hang on their tree, Sam, would you like to start? Sure. This is your big gift.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But my favorite thing about that is how at the end of that, the camera pushes in on Michael and he's inviting someone, we don't know yet who, to go to Sandals with him. And the look on his face when you know the person on the other line said yes. And of course, we're going to find out it's Jan. Yeah.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And Sam, you are not easy to shop for, but I found this on the Macy's gift guide and I thought of you.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Okay. It looks because I know you love to take Polaroids and stuff and you like old timey camera. I do. You like some old tech.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
You're welcome. And it looks like it's a disposable camera, but it's actually reusable.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
That's why I got you a whole pack of film to go with it.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh yeah. Oh, it looks good. You just unwrapped it. Yeah. Let me see Sam. Hold it up. Isn't it fun?
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Okay, Ange, here is your gift. And I know you're going to like it because you put it on our Macy's gift guide list.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh, my gosh. I can't even think of anything I've been saying that I wanted. Oh, my goodness. It's a... What do you call that thing that you bring your lunch in to work?
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
So be sure to check it out. We're really proud of it. You can find a link in our Office Ladies Pod Instagram bio. And now, on with the show. I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Lovers podcast just for you.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh, my gosh. This is... This is something that I really needed that I just have never bought myself. Sometimes I bring in soup and I put it in the same bag as my computer. And I just like hope that I carry it upright. I hope that it doesn't leak. I know, right?
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, everyone, you too can get your holiday shopping done with Macy's this year. Your one-stop shop for everyone on your list. And I was saying when I came in today that I have become slightly obsessed with the Macy's.com gift guide. I am truly using it to find gifts for everybody on my list. I'm also slightly obsessed with our gift guide. I'm enjoying putting up suggestions.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
He's like, well, it's all inclusive. Yeah. Well, everyone, we have a really fun episode for you today. Brian Baumgartner stopped by to talk about Christmas on the office, plus a fun holiday project of his. Then we have a festive office ladies gift exchange. I did a deep dive on the year Mariah Carey's Christmas song was dethroned from the number one spot. Ooh.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And all the gifts that we gave away today will be on our gift guide and more. We're adding stuff all the time.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Head to our Instagram bio for the link to shop directly from our Macy's gift guide storefront. Let Macy's be your guide to gifting.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, I think that was a pretty successful gift exchange. And, you know, Dunder Mifflin had some pretty epic gift exchanges. Well, they sure did. Of course. The most famous is probably the Yankee swap from Christmas Party Season 2.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But, Ange, my favorite memory from that episode is an off-camera memory, which we shared in our book, which is that we all wanted to see if Angela could fit inside of a large Christmas bag.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Yes, we put it in our book, but you need to put that in stories. But in terms of an episode gift exchange, my favorite is actually from season eight, Christmas Wishes. It's the montage where Dwight is doing his air guitar and it flashes to everybody exchanging gifts.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Yes, good point. You might be driving to your holiday stuff right now, and that's a good tip, Ange. Yeah, it's a great story, and I'm excited to share it. This is the best story. When you were making your Hallmark Christmas movie in Vancouver, you left me a message. That I was like, you have to tell this on the podcast sometime.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And Angela met a real-life Santa's helper.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And then I know you, Ange. You were like, I have so many questions. Tell me more.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
You did a summary. You can't help it. Yes, I think I did, but I will not do fast facts. Okay, we'll see. Not going to do it.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I really like his integrity here, though.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I have to imagine that these are Santa standards and that the real Santa wants his helpers to be as authentic as possible.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I mean, now I'm crying. That was so beautiful. I know. And you know what else is beautiful about it, Angela, is that this is just something I love about you and your curiosity about people and the things that interest people in It's true. If you sit on a flight with Angela or if she's going to drive you for an hour, she's going to get it out of you. She is. She wants to know what makes you tick.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But it's such a beautiful thing. And I just love that you shared his story with everybody.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, you know, Angela, I think that the real Santa is the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Santa. It's certainly the first time we see the real Santa for the season, and I have a little story about that. Oh, yeah? Yes. My family went to New York for Thanksgiving one year, and once we were there, we realized that we were staying on the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade route. Wow. How fun.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
How old were your kids? Little. They were young. And, lady, I love the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. I love all the musical numbers that they do. I get to see the Broadway numbers twice a year at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and the Tonys, and I live for it. I love the Macy's Day Parade. Well, we were super excited when we realized we were on the route. It's really long.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It's like two and a half miles. You know, it goes all the way from up by the Natural History Museum all the way down to Macy's Herald Square. We were staying about halfway, maybe. So the first couple of days before the parade, you can actually go up by the museum and you can watch them blow up all the balloons. Yes. And it's just so fun. So here's the thing that happened, though.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
On the day of the parade, we were all set to like go down to the end of the street where we were staying and just we got a free view of everything going by. It was amazing. Crazy. Crazy. But we overslept because we were on L.A. time. So by the time we woke up and we ran to the end of the street, it was the last float going by. Oh, no. Which is Santa on his sleigh. This is a roller coaster. Yes.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Yes. So we were like, oh, at least we got to see the Santa. And then we went back inside and we were having breakfast and coffee and we were watching the parade on TV. And it was really crazy because it was almost an hour before Santa got from where we were all the way down to in front of Macy's. But we were all excited because that meant that we saw Santa about an hour before everybody else.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I saw Santa on TV, but it was a really – it's one of our fun family memories.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh, so cute. Well, one of my favorite holiday traditions is holiday baking, Ange. And we always make my great-grandmother's snowball cookies. They're kind of like a Hungarian wedding cookie, but we always made them at the holidays. She made them. My grandma made them. My mom made them. Now I make them.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Okay, so lady, we have covered office Christmas memories, Santa, gifts, but there's one more thing I want to talk about. For me, another thing I love about the holidays is the music.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
This is the time of year when you walk through the mall and you hear all the holiday songs playing. I love it. And I wanted to ask the group, do you have a favorite holiday song? Like one that you look forward to hearing.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh, yes. Yes. Well, interestingly enough, Sam, I didn't know you were going to say that, but...
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Did you know that according to the Guinness Book of World Records, White Christmas by Bing Crosby is not only the best-selling Christmas holiday single in the United States, but it was also the best-selling single of all time since the advent of recorded music, with an estimated sales in excess of 50 million copies worldwide.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Incredible. All right. Cassie, do you have a favorite Christmas song?
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh, that's such a good one. That one charts the top often as well. It's usually in the top five. And I really did a deep dive on Christmas music. I don't normally have these stats off the top of my head.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It's interesting you say that, Angela, because my favorite Christmas song is also a favorite album. I went through this phase where I got really into vinyl records. And my mom gave me her old record collection. And one of the records in the collection was a Frank Sinatra Christmas album. And I do bring out our little turntable and put it down by the Christmas tree.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
This is the first album that I play every season when we're decorating the tree. And the first song on the album is Frank Sinatra's Jingle Bells. And it's my favorite. And I'm going to play it. Yay.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And it was really sweet because this year my daughter did a little cookbook at her school, and she put our recipes. recipe for the snowball cookies in their school cookbook. How special. But I can't wait to bake a big batch of those.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Oh, blue eyes. I know. You just sing me right into Christmas, mister.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, we featured a lot of holiday music in our Office Christmas episodes. Angela, you played us little drummer boy at the top of the episode. We talked about when Dwight does his air guitar to Christmas Eve Sarajevo 1224. That's the heavy metal medley of Christmas songs performed by the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Yeah.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But in general, Dunder Mifflin Christmas parties just love to bust out the karaoke and the microphones, and we did not limit ourselves to holiday songs. For example, in Benihana Christmas, when we had the dueling Christmas parties, we have Daryl on the keyboard and Kevin singing, and I thought we should listen.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And of course, in Secret Santa, there's the time when Dwight and Andy sing Green Day's Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Oh, I rewatched that one. We talked about that with Billy Joe Armstrong when we broke down that episode. Yeah, he was impressed with Ed. Yes, he was. Well, the holidays just are not the same without the music.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And last year, I heard a story about holiday music that I have been dying to share on the podcast. I have been waiting for us to do some sort of holiday-themed episode, and here I go. Now, I mentioned before that White Christmas by Bing Crosby was the best-selling holiday single in the United States. But starting in 1991... we started tracking digital downloads as well as copies sold.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And as of November 25, 2016, the holiday single with the most digital downloads is Mariah Carey's 1994 track, All I Want for Christmas is You. Let's listen.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, it's also the most popular holiday ringtone. Oh. Okay, so for a very long time, Mariah Carey has had the number one spot on the Billboard Top 100 at the holidays. Like, she has been the reigning queen. And the number two spot, year after year, would go to Brenda Lee for Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree. Okay. You know that song? Yeah, of course. Well, all of that changed last year.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Last year? Last year was the 65th anniversary of Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree, and Brenda Lee decided she wanted number one. What'd she do? She went on talk shows. She shot a brand new music video for the song. She got her own TikTok account and started this whole, like, campaign to make Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree the number one song. Finally.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Like, is there a TikTok dance and the whole thing? A big trend.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Yes. To give you a little context, Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree was originally recorded in 1958 when Brenda Lee was only 13 years old. Oh, wow. She's been, like, at the top of the charts for so long. But never number one. Never. Well, guess what? Last year, she did it. No way. It worked. She dethroned Mariah Carey. Her song hit number one on the Billboard's Top 100.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It is the oldest song to hit number one. Brenda Lee became the oldest living person to score a number one song. And Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree is only the third holiday song to hit number one on the chart. What was the other one? The third song is the Chipmunk Song by the Chipmunks. These other two songs are such great songs.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Could you imagine being Brenda Lee and being like, that song made it to number one before me? Anyway, Brenda Lee, you did it. I am so proud of you. I found an audio clip of her talking about what it's been like to have this Christmas song just enduring over the years, and I wanted us to play it.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
13 years old. Should we hear it? Let's hear it. I think so. A little clip of it.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
13. Wow. Yeah. That's a great story. I loved that. Well, Mariah Carey sent Brenda Lee flowers with a card when she was dethroned, and it said this. Dearest Miss Brenda, congratulations on your historic number one. Have a Merry Christmas. Love, Mariah. Classy. Classy. Yes.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
And a big thank you to Brian Baumgartner for stopping by the studio. We will share where you can get his book, The Night Before Dunder Mifflin. And he's going to be joining us again for our episode all about Kevin Malone. Please send in your questions.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
You guys suggested that we break down one of the super fan episodes. So we rewatched hot girl. There were so many great new scenes and we found so much stuff. So join us next week for the hot girl super fan episode.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubbico. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
They've got clothes, accessories, collectibles, and more. One of my very good friends loves Disney stuff. There are a lot of people that collect Disney stuff. They have got a jean jacket. It's so special. It's so unique. You've got Daisy Duck and Minnie Mouse. They're dressed like they're in a marching band. They've got the batons on. It's such a cool jacket.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I love the smells of Christmas, of the Christmas baking and all of that. I know exactly what you're talking about.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
There's also a Stony Clover Lane fanny pack. Oh my gosh, stop it.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
If you want to know what to get your nieces and nephews for Christmas and they are huge Disney fans, there are so many great gets. Shop this exclusive Disney and Macy's collection now. Head to Macy's.com or visit your local Macy's store.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Okay, well, I just love that. Thank you, guys. Well, we've shared before that the holidays were a very special time on the set of The Office, and our good friend Brian Baumgartner stopped by the Office Lady studio to talk a little bit about his favorite Office Christmas memories.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Yes, everyone. It is that traditional night before Christmas story, but with all of the characters from The Office.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
I lived in West Hollywood when I first moved to California for many years.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
This was before I was on The Office. I lived at Genesee in Santa Monica. And I lived on Stanley.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, Brian, thank you for joining us today on our special bonus holiday episode.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Yes, and we have partnered with Macy's this holiday season to create our very own Macy's Gift Guide.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It was about the accountant's webisodes. Yes.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Hello! Ho, ho, ho! Oh, I'm so excited for today. Everybody is dressed in their most festive outfits.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
We won't reveal what it was that had us all fired up. That's for Office Ladies, Burn It to the Ground. That's our next podcast in another like five years.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But for today's episode, Brian, we want to reminisce about the Office Holiday episodes.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
What was your favorite? Do you have a favorite onset memory, a favorite offset memory?
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Everyone playing. Yeah. I feel like those were some of the most joyous episodes because – We really would be in these like group party situations for most of the episode. And then, of course, we would be doing bits. And I'm sure we were very hard to wrangle. We were probably like trying to make a TV show with a room full of six people. year olds or something, doing all our bits.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
But I just remember, Brian, I remember when you sit on Steve's lap as Santa, and I know everyone always brings it up to you, but it was like we, no one could get through it.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
Well, if you watch that episode, people are breaking in the background.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
She just turns and leaves. Ed dives behind the hallway.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
We never ever got a take where people held it together the whole time long enough to actually put the show together. They just gave up. They were like, forget it. Forget it. This is what it is.
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Bonus Christmas Episode with Brian Baumgartner
It's so cute. Just in time. Angela, you've got on your Santa hat and your red and white stripes like a candy cane. I love it. And do you want to tell people what we're doing today? Because we don't usually pop into your feed on a Friday.