Howard Blum
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes, and that's what the defense is trying to get. And what's so interesting to me, and again, I'm a layman, I'm not a lawyer like you, but usually if you have your case, you give everything. Give the prosecution hands over everything. Let it all be out there. Let's not make an issue for the jury. Let them decide. Why are they holding this back? What are they holding back?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They want to keep the investigative genealogy part of the case. of the case out of the trial even. They say, all we're going to use the prosecution is after his arrest, the DNA we take from the cheap swab.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And that leaves the situation where you can have a man who's very guilty, who might very well be a monster, but there's going to be enough doubts in the jury's mind to maybe let him go, especially in a death penalty case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I think, you know, first, you know, Matt Murphy knows a lot more about the law than I do or ever will. He's also very articulate and he's been a defense attorney and a prosecutor, I think, prosecutor and prosecutor. What the defense is going to do is raise a whole lot of doubts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
If you look at every individual item, it's how much dirt they can kick up that confused the jury, get dirt in their eyes, so to speak. You'll have the cell phone data. The cell phone data puts Koberger within a 13 mile radius at different times. That's not being at the same place as a crime. You have the surveillance videos of the white car, and Koberger has a white Hyundai car.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
But during the course of the FBI's looking for the car, they made three different years for the car. They weren't sure. And in every photograph, there's not one that shows the man behind the wheel or the license plate. So what they have to do is raise doubts. Can they raise enough doubts? And that's what the trial will see. There's also another issue in the trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
There's going to be new witnesses. One of the key things about the pretrial discovery I've been following is both the prosecution and the defense have raised the issue of a confidential source that needs to be protected. They both agree on this. They said that,
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
this has to be covered up if i can read this is what the defense said of why they want their documents for discovery under seal the document contains facts or statements that might endanger endanger the life or safety of individuals and then the prosecution came back and and agreed by saying that the release of discovery evidence could quote disclose the identity of a confidential source
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
a confidential source. So there might be some surprises in this trial. So you add to the confusion with the DNA evidence, you add confidential sources coming out of the woodwork at the last minute. This is going to be an interesting trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
yes i mean i i think that's an area that they're pursuing i know the defense has spent a lot of try time trying to build up the drug case what i've also heard though in the autopsies they found no evidence of any drugs in the system of any of the four young kids uh that were killed that were murdered uh but Is there a drug angle there?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Is one of the surviving people who are in the house, the two young women, is she going to be this confidential source? This remains to be seen. The father of Kelly Goncalves has been searching for this confidential source.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And at one point, his lawyer, according to what he's told people, received a letter from the FBI, from the FBI telling him not to intervene, to look for this confidential source, or it could disrupt the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
hmm but we don't know who it is or what what business they're in uh we don't know uh maybe we could just speculate but you know the defense is in the business of uh raising doubts i mean yeah will it be effective well i think for whatever it's worth i think the whole line we were discussing about the genetic genealogy
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I mean, at this point, the defense has to use every I would say trick that they can, every bit of law that they can. I mean, look at their client's alibi. It's been nearly two years and what they've come up with after they've been pressed numerous times by the court is that he was out at 4 a.m. looking at the stars in a wilderness park where there are no witnesses.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
It was below zero that night at the wilderness park and it was a cloudy sky, but the suspect was out there nevertheless.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
All that's been released to the public is the knife sheath DNA, the button on the knife sheath, actually. And that is, they've said, compares...
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
within reason of doubt to the cheek swab they took after the arrest the the prosecution if they have their way won't even mention the dna that originally got them there with that was taken from the family's home that was tied to the father they want to keep that out of the case completely and the defense will be moving heaven and earth to try to bring that in
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the prosecution is smart enough to realize... That the goal of the defense is to try to, as you say, muck things up. So if they didn't have anything to hide, why wouldn't they just put it into evidence? They said, OK, this is how we got it. This is nothing to be ashamed of using investigative forensic genealogy to get in there. But they seem to be holding something back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And that's raising more questions and giving the defense something to work with.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Well, because I think this judge is going to be more sympathetic to the defense. He will demand, I think, to the prosecution. Yes, Hitler. I think he's going to be a bit tougher.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
it's interesting on the first day when he convened the court in boise first thing he said was i'd like to say i'm happy to be here but i don't want to be begin with a lie he came right out that's what he's he told the courtroom he's going to be you know yes uh he doesn't want to be this the judge before him It seems clear now. Couldn't wait to get off the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
As soon as he had the first opportunity to leave the case because of the change of venue, he could have stayed on the case. He was glad, glad to go to. I mean, this is going to judge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The new mugshot showed us a very stylish, well put together Brian Kohlberger suit. who seems to become almost a new handsome young man in prison.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yeah, he has a three-day growth. He's looking good. And you can sort of see his whole demeanor during the different hearings. And there have been so many hearings, and they've all been on Zoom. I haven't been in the courtroom. But he seems to be staring straight ahead all the time. Even when Ann Taylor comes over and puts this maternal arm around his shoulder, he doesn't budge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
completely out of it, just staring straight ahead.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They have been zooming into the hearings. They talk with the lawyers in Pennsylvania. Will they come out to the actual trial? I imagine so. I think the families of the victims, two of them so far, have gone on trial. on the internet to do funding campaigns. The Goncalves family said they needed to raise $50,000 to go to the trial so that all 10 family members could attend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They raised the $50,000 so quickly, but now they've raised their demand to 75,000. They'd like people to contribute so they can raise 75,000. They wanna be there. They also have been vigorously pushing for the death penalty in this case. That's going to be the next, I think, big debate in this case, in these pretrial months, whether or not the death penalty will take place.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the use of the death penalty in Idaho is pretty problematic because of recent events. Last February, Idaho had their first
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
What the defense... has to do at this point is to raise as many questions as possible. I say that even though every time the defense appears in the courtroom, Ann Taylor, the lead defense attorney, makes it a point of putting her arm rather internally even around Koberger and saying, I believe 100% in his innocence. And yet what she has to do, the dialectics of her case is to raise questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
execution was taking place in nine years what happened at this execution they put the guy his name was thomas creech convicted of murder into the execution chamber and they're trying to give him the chemicals that will end his life for over an hour they try eight different veins to get get into him eight different ways to get the needle into him and nothing works
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And now they had to postpone the execution. I can assure you that the defense will be going through all the details of this botched execution and saying that this is cruel and inhuman punishment and Idaho just doesn't have the sophistication to make an execution. They just can't do it. And to see if that will affect the judge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
For this case last May, they passed a law that went into effect last June that will allow a firing squad. $750,000 was put aside by the state to turn the execution chamber into a place where they could also have a firing squad. This would only happen if they couldn't find the chemicals necessary for a chemical operation. execution. Oddly enough, you know, people can get fentanyl on the streets.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The state of Idaho has had trouble at times getting the correct chemicals for an execution. The $750,000 that was put aside to make this a room suitable for a firing squad has never been used. They have not done any sort of renovations at the state penitentiary to this date.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
there any chance the confidential informant is his criminology professor who was so respected back in pennsylvania uh dr ramsland uh yeah she's an interesting woman i mean she writes brilliantly perceptively about serial killers she's a forensic psychologist she teaches at de salle university that was you know he was her star student uh She is in communication with the family.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I know that I've been told that by people who know. She got in in the early days right after his arrest. She contacted the family. She said, is there any way I can help? And they were so glad to have someone who wanted to be supportive. She said, according to what I've heard, I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but if I can help you, guide you through this complicated process, I'd be glad to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And she has conveyed through the family information to him. I've been told that. Could she be the confidential witness? That would be really interesting. I think at this point, she's probably working on her own book.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Well, I'm sure they've reached out to her because the big question in this entire case was, Why were four people killed? At this point, neither the prosecution or the defense has put out a motive that makes sense in any way. What they have said is, for the record, that Brian Kohlberger had no interaction ever, ever with any of the victims. He did not speak with them. They have no record of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
He did not follow them on social media. So why? I try to address that in my book. I come up with a theory of why he did it. But again, it's just a theory. I think in the courtroom, they're going to need some answers if they want to get a conviction.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And unfortunately, for anyone who believes that Koberger is guilty, as I do, there are a lot of questions she can raise. The first one is, the Brady evidence, evidence that should have been given to the defense has not been given to them. This involves the forensic genetic material. They have not gotten all of it. They had to go to court. The prosecution was holding back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Very much so. I think the key point, the theory that I come up with, and again, it's only a theory, is that he wasn't after, he didn't go that night to kill all four people. He just went to, for some reason, He wanted to kill Maddie Mogan. He felt he could not live in a world where she lived, her beauty, her exuberance. That was just a constant rebuke to him and the life he was leading.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
So he goes into the house. He goes up the stairs to her bedroom. Then he finds Kaylee is there, too. And she becomes collateral damage. And then downstairs, there's Ethan. and Xana, they too were killed just because they were there. And the woman who survives, Dylan, who sees him, if she had cried out, if she had said anything, he probably didn't even notice her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
He was so locked in his own mania, again, this is my theory, that he just went out through this kitchen door. If she had spoken a word, she too would have been killed. Her silence, her retreating back to her bedroom saved her life. But the prosecution is going to have to build out a theory that's going to be not as circumstantial as I can in print or on the air.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They're going to have to have something. There's a lot of elements. We keep on saying, well, they can get over this hurdle. The prosecution can get over this hurdle. But you raise enough hurdles, and it's going to be very hard for a jury, especially in a case where a man might have to face a firing squad.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Right. And that's maybe very thin gruel to send a man to a firing squad. It's all the pieces come together, make a more coherent whole than each of the individual ones. But really, it's going to be a real burden on the jury, I think. I think it's going to be a fascinating trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
yes and his sister began to suspect him uh again there's a weakness of his alibi all put together uh is very incriminating but he's able to there's no blood ever found at least as we know it on his car in his apartment there's no incriminating information on his computer that we know about uh
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Right. There's no blood in his car. There were no scratches on him. You can make a very convincing case and the defense will make it in great detail to the jury that they have the wrong man. I think I think they have the right person. But why? Ultimately, I think the defense is going to say, why would my why would he have done this? Why would he have done this?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Why the prosecution would hold back on this immediately raises questions. What are they trying to cover up? This is America. Give them everything. Let the jury see everything. given an excuse for the jury to have any doubts, but they've only given back some of it. What specifically they've given still remains under seal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I mean, they'll just raise doubts, raise doubts. And... will it be convincing and again especially when there has a firing squad you're going to there are enough doubts that you don't want to send a man to the firing squad to face a firing squad
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And until this event, until his arrest, he was in many ways a success story. Here's a guy who overcomes all sorts of things. He's a heroin addict, and yet he beats it. He's 125 pounds overweight. He loses the weight. He turns his body into a fortress. He's going to a... a poor junior college.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
He gets out of the junior college and goes to a good college, DeSalle, and then gets into a great program in criminology at Washington State University. He does all this. He has one success, one success after another. He's trying to reinvent himself. And yet I would suggest that ultimately there's something in him that he begins to realize that he just can't fit into this world of success
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
this world of normal people, this world of conversations. I go back to a story I write about in my book where he first gets out to Moscow, Idaho, and he goes to a pool party and he sees some pretty young women and he gets their phone numbers and yet he just leaves the party. He never contacts them, but the women receive hang up calls. He just felt himself as an outsider.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
But I think this genetic information that the defense has is going to raise questions about when and how did the authorities know about Kohlberger?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
at the same time we he was about to allegedly murder these four people yes but what he's going to say or the defense will say is just what he told his father on this trip that they take across america he begins to tell his father about some of the problems he's having at the university and that they're out to get him but he says i will come back there there'll be a hearing and i'll be able to make my case and i'll be reinstated and i'll be able to keep on teaching
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes. He gets the letter saying that he's been terminated. It's sent to his apartment in Washington State University. At this point, he's already on the road with his father. So he never actually gets the actual physical letter, but maybe he got an email because he does discuss it with his father on this road trip across America, and he's confident he can beat it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
he his neck was on the chopping block at the university for his bad behavior he was called into three separate meetings with deans and his advisors and at one point they tell him okay you're doing better and then a week later he gets into a fight with his professor he Had to be the smartest person in the room. He had to have the last word.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the professor was a former lawyer, a criminal lawyer in Washington State. And he just felt there was, I think,
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
haven't talked to him he he wouldn't talk to me he felt there was something off about the coberger's character and personality and this was reinforced by women in the class they said he treated them in a misogynistic way and one of them complained that he followed her to his car and that was the straw that broke the camel's back with the administration of washington state university
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
um but he was working out a lifetime of angst anguish and self-torture as he took that k-bar knife and plunged it into maddie mogan and her friends that night you make a very convincing case also i was just thinking as you were talking about who the confidential witness could be it could be one of his fellow students in his class uh one of the women who he might have walked to the car and felt
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
uncomfortable around him. Things might've happened in Washington state where there'd been rumors, but nothing is as that I felt comfortable about printing. Maybe these people will testify to that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
That's one theory, again, that hasn't been substantiated. That appeared on Dateline. The Dateline reporters are damn good, but I haven't been able to substantiate that. So maybe they have something I didn't get. It wouldn't be the first time. But I think something like that could come out at the trial, and those could be the witnesses who are willing to talk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes. I mean, and they also want some of the families make it clear they want vengeance and who can blame them in many ways. You know, one father said, I send my daughter off to college and she comes home to me in a box. How can you deny him his venting for vengeance? I certainly can't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
So 4% difference. What they'll say is that there'll be a larger jury pool. In Moscow, you have a jury pool of approximately 20,000 people. In Boise, it's about 300,000. So you have more to check to find someone. I wouldn't have moved the trial, but I see how the judge had to do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
You want to do everything that will make this trial stand up because you know it's going to be appealed if he's convicted. So you want to give them as less reasons as possible for having a successful appeal. And that's why you want all the breaking information to be presented too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Right. And jury selection will start July 30th. And they expect it. This is the other thing. When he talks about the trial date, he's giving just eight days for jury selection. I don't know if you can select a jury that quickly, but we'll see.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes. Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And it's not just me saying this, it's what the defense is saying. The defense is saying, well, if you actually did it the way you've explained, got the information that way, share everything with us. Tell us what the FBI did. The FBI, to add to this, confusion is not even giving everything to the prosecution, or at least that's what the prosecution is saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They're saying, well, we don't have everything from the FBI. Now by law, the FBI is supposed to preserve all their genetic investigation. Has it been destroyed? Is it missing? Or, and this is what the defense is looking for, is there something they're trying to hide? What could they be trying to hide? Well, it comes down to this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
When you're doing this investigation where you're trying to build out a family tree, you can only go to certain genetic databases. The other ones are precluded by law from allowing the legal authorities to get into them. Did the FBI go into a database where they shouldn't have? That seems to be a question that they're trying to cover up. And ultimately, it comes down to,
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
was Kohlberger, one of the attorneys involved in the cases, compared it to as if they took him into a lineup and it was a rigged lineup. They knew he was guilty to begin with. They already had the man they were looking for. This also comes back to something I wrote about early on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I've said that when Koberger and his father left Washington state to go home for Christmas, they did this on December 12th. I said the FBI were following them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I had it first and it was picked up by others, repeated by others. The FBI to this day denies that they were following him. Now, why this is so interesting. I've covered lots of stories. The FBI usually doesn't comment, usually says, well, we're not going to comment, wait till trial. This they've been vehemently denying it. And why are they denying this? Because I think
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The only way they could have been doing this, the only way they could have been following him is if they had accessed information that they should not have. And the fact- All right, let me just stop you there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Twice, twice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Which is amazing in itself. I mean, you couldn't make that up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
genuinely pulled him over for two traffic violations it was very specific howard yes i mean could you imagine you're the fbi you're following this guy who's your person of interest in a murder case and suddenly you see him being pulled over and you don't know how he's going to respond if he is indeed guilty well he could you know and if he is indeed the murderer of four people something could happen to this police officer this highway patrolman
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
who's trying to stop the car, or the car could take off. You could have an OJ chase across America. But the FBI makes this decision to hang back because one of the reasons they decide to hang back is because what they're doing is secret. They have not even told the Moscow police, who are their partners in this investigation, that they already have this person of interest.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They don't reveal to the Moscow police until a week later, until after the Kohlbergers get to Pennsylvania. And why are they doing this? What are they keeping secret? They're keeping secret that because of their zeal to catch a monster, they may be played fast and loose with the rules on DNA acquisition of certain websites.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And that's what they're trying to- All right, now wait, stand by, stand by.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
the big questions coming not not you i know the defense is saying this the exact dates i mean the fbi has said they identified him on december 19th he became a person of interest and that was because of uh car license plate readings and then they still hadn't done the dna yet
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I am saying that on approximately December 11th, that's when they first got aware of Kohlberger and everything else followed. It was the DNA that led the case and allowed them to track everything else down. And you see in the public affidavit at the time of the arrest, there's really no mention of the investigative genealogy work that was done.
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What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the prosecution would like to keep this all out of the case. They say it's irrelevant to how we made our case. But the defense, and I think that's a really good case, is saying, show it to us. What are you keeping secret? Why are you hiding this? And it's all going to be about confusing jurors. When you don't- No, wait.
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What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And I would agree it was the Moscow police. The report is sent on the white Honda that the Washington state police, they sent it to Moscow. And what they do is they stick it in their file basically. And it sits there for several days until they get around to it. Then the FBI begins following him. And then the decision is made to get the confirming evidence they need.
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What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
This is just days before the arrest around December 27th, they steal garbage from the Koberger home, and that ties it to his father, but not to Koberger directly. The only direct DNA evidence that the prosecution has that was willing to admit on Koberger comes from after he's arrested. He's in the jail cell.
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What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The first thing they do is take a cheek swab of the DNA, and then they compare that to the DNA that was found on the knife sheath. And that's when they're convinced they have their guy.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
you'd get blood all over you howard there was so much blood in the house that it was as i said before coming out of the foundation of the building and yet make it more even more interesting more dramatic it was revealed that they did find blood in the house unidentified blood in the house but it wasn't coburgers no this is big oh wait so hold on a second before we get to that that's an important development but
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Yes. And there was nothing in his trunk. They've taken the part the car apart top from bottom. The only scenario possible is that before he got into his car, he had a garbage bag. He put all the clothes he was wearing in a garbage bag. and drove off basically in his underwear that was clean. But where is the clothes he was wearing that night? Where is the garbage bag? Where is the murder weapon?
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
No one can find it. They've been looking for two years now, two and a half years, and they don't have a trace.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Is there any chance he went up with it? I think he probably threw it into the Snake River. Driving back, the Snake River sort of came by the territory, could have just tossed it anywhere near there. Or it is possible that he went up to that park that he's using as his alibi. He could have gone to that park after the murder, as he's driving around perhaps, and then left it somewhere up there.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
But let's talk about question for the jury.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
In the course of the hearing on January 23rd, Ann Taylor, Kohlberger's attorney, revealed that there has been blood found in the house belonging to two unknown males. The blood was found on a banister, a handrail, going up to the second floor and also inside a glove outside the front of the house.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
blood from two unknown people now this was a party house so you can imagine there'd be fingerprints on the handrail but what reason is there for blood and what reason is for there to be blood on the glove and if You know, they would belong to someone who had gone to the house during one of the parties.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Well, how hard would it have been for the authorities to track down the fraternity boys who came in and out of the house and get blood samples from them? But to this day, two and a half years later, they still have not been able to identify the blood. When the judge heard this, he said in open court, are you saying that Kohlberger had other people working with him?
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
This doesn't mean Kohlberger wasn't involved, but there could have been accomplices. Accomplices, this throws out a new mystery into the case. And here is how Ann Taylor is using it. She says the real question is, how did the knife sheath get there? She is now going to argue in the course of the trial that these two unknown male, either one of them or both of them, put the knife sheath on the bed.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
They were involved in the murder and Kohlberger, prior to the murder, had somehow innocently touched the knife sheath. The DNA on the knife sheath is just touch DNA. And she is claiming that or will claim at the trial that this was done innocently by Koberger. It's an argument that can raise a lot of doubts, I believe, in a jury's mind.
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And the prospect that there could have been accomplices in the murder further complicates the case.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Well, the way these authorities got to Kohlberger- wasn't through any other evidence at the beginning but just a little speck of dna smaller than a piece of dust that was left on the button of a knife sheath that was left behind They used this speck of DNA, they processed it so that they could give it to an FBI laboratory.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
All I know is what was revealed in the court and the court referred to it as unknown males. And, you know, it seems that they can't track it down.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Well, I'll throw out a hypothesis, and again, it's just a hypothesis, and maybe it's a sketchy one, but I believe Kohlberger was guilty. I can't get around the cheek swab DNA that ties him there. So if he was out to commit the perfect crime, if he was a student of forensics, he could have taken a vial of blood with him. He could have put it on the banister. He could have taken a glove with blood
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
already embedded in it and left it at the crime scene. And he could have done this deliberately to put this police authorities to look for two other people. And he would have meanwhile been just gotten away with it. And it all would have worked if he hadn't left the knife sheath behind.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Right. And it would have worked. And, you know, the police to this day can't identify whose blood that was. And again, if he hadn't left the knife sheath there, I don't think they would have been able to ever get to him.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
And yet if his lawyers can get the evidence on the knife sheath thrown out because if FBI agents overzealousness, it can turn the whole case upside down and an innocent man could be found. I mean, a guilty man could be found not, Not innocent, but not guilty.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
I don't know, but I, it's my heritage. It's my heritage DNA. That was the one site that was cited in court.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
The FBI laboratory then, after months of not admitting what they had done, it was revealed in the end of January in court that they had taken this DNA and they had uploaded it to two websites ancestry DNA websites that prohibit law enforcement from using this DNA. The FBI did this not out of any evil reasons, but just out of their zeal. You have to go back to the time of the killing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
I agree with you. I think they're just trying to create as many arguments as they can to force the defense, trying to force the issue. I do think Kohlberger's relatives, if they wanted to, could sue the police department, the FBI, who did this. I think the FBI agents who did this could be reprimanded by the Justice Department.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Those things could happen, but I don't think it will affect Kohlberger's case, but again, I was totally surprised that the judge left open the possibility of a Franks hearing. And if this happens, if there is a Franks hearing, then it's potentially a whole new ballgame.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Exactly. What happened was what you related was happened in the first interview the police had with Dylan. Over that week and the next week that followed, there were three more interviews. Those three interviews, she seemed to change her story. She said that perhaps it was sort of a dream she was seeing. She couldn't be sure.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Then she said that one of the victims had gone down the stairs and that wasn't possible because the victim had died in her bed. And then she admitted, finally, that she was just too drunk. Too drunk was the words that Ann Taylor used to come to any reasonable consideration of what happened that night.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
And then finally, on the fourth interview, just before they were going to arrest Koberger in Pennsylvania, the Idaho cops showed her a picture of Koberger and asked, can you identify him? And she said, no, I can't.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
And that really, really weakens her use as a witness between being too drunk, between saying that she might have been dreaming the whole thing, and then not being able to identify the photograph. Well, the prosecution's big witness has, I don't even know if she'll testify at the trial.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
you know it's just hard to understand i'm not trying to be unforgiving you know pune her character i mean who knows what's going on in anyone's mind but not only does she not call the police for eight hours the first people she calls are not an ambulance not the police but she calls fraternity people to come and come to the house they come and they call the police
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Yes. There's a new video that just was released last week. And you can see Ethan's twin brother, they actually were triplets, sitting outside the house the moment when the police arrived. And he's wearing a pink sweatshirt sitting by a dumpster with his head in his hands. It's a very poignant video.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Yes. The fraternity brother, the actual fraternity brother who made the call was Ethan's best friend. And the police have never released that that 911 call. I imagine it will be played at the trial.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
It was a murder of four young children on the loose. They had really no clues except for this DNA, except for this DNA. It was in many ways the perfect crime. They had no blood evidence. Really, they had no evidence of anyone stalking these young college students. All they had was this DNA, so they ran with it.
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Not a very good witness.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Right. And what's making all these doubts about the case have even more weight, there's a bill that's just been introduced in the Idaho legislature, it was at the beginning of January, where right now the death penalty is administered through a chemical injection. And then if the chemicals aren't available, then there is a firing squad.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Well, the Idaho new bill wants to get rid of the chemical injections and just make it a firing squad. They are demanding their pound of flesh, in a sense. And that's going to weigh on the jury, too, I think.
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Well, you might be able to get on the jury then.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
It does not kill or murder. Exactly. Ann Taylor's big question and what her defense is all going to be based around is how did the knife sheath get in that bedroom? Who could have put it there? It wasn't Brian Koberger.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
you can't see the license plate no you can't see the license plate you can't see the driver and it took the fbi three shots until they were able to identify the car so uh ann taylor's going to argue it took the fbi three times maybe should have taken them four times and they would have finally gotten it right and then the cell phone hits they're they're helpful but they're not ball game
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
The cell phone hits are 10 miles. In a town like Moscow, you could be on the other side of town seeing someone.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
What was so interesting to me at the hearing, the prosecution didn't...
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
really argue any of her points they when she said it was an outright lie that was her words outright lie that he had stalked any of the victims they didn't argue they went along with that that there was no blood evidence they didn't argue there were no dog hairs and found anywhere on coberger they didn't argue they seem to be conceding all these points except for the dna evidence
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
And this DNA allowed them to open up many other doors, ultimately having a series of search warrants that led to the suspects, Brian Kohlberger's phone, his car, his apartment. But without that DNA, they couldn't have gotten these search warrants. And now the defense is saying, wait a minute, wait a minute.
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Go ahead. Not only did they not want to turn over the results, they said... They said literally that they had ripped up the evidence of their research. They said, we just threw it out. Who ever heard of a major murder investigation, the FBI discarding evidence? But this is what they did. But the defense kept on pressing and pressing. And now they got a judge to give them the evidence.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
And it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, it came out in open court that the FBI violated the protocols of these two genetic websites. Now, how is that going to affect the case?
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Exactly. And if you look at what they had before then, there's not much except for one thing. After Kohlberger is arrested, he's in a Pennsylvania jail and they do a cheek swab. And the DNA from that cheek swab matches the DNA on the button of the knife sheath. That is pretty substantial evidence. But if they can get that thrown out
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
That will make a case, it seems, pretty much a shut case to be more open than shut. And there's going to be a possibility of a Franks hearing. That's a judicial process named after a 1978 Supreme Court case where evidence was thrown out because the police had falsified information to get their warrants. The judge has not said he will have this Franks hearing.
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but he has raised the possibility and he's asked the lawyers to keep time available to have such a hearing.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
That is what she's arguing. That's part of her argument. But also at that hearing, something else was revealed, which is perhaps even more dramatic and makes her case even more substantial.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
That's basically what happened. But also, if they throw it out, there's really not much there. I mean, you have to... In many ways, it was a perfect crime, except for the leaving the knife sheath behind. Consider the house was... There was so much blood in the house that it was coming out of the sides of the house. It was coming down the foundation of the building at 1122 King Road.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
And yet no blood was ever found on Kohlberger. No blood was found in his car. No blood was found in his apartment. There is no evidence also of Kohlberger having any connection to any of the murder victims. There's no evidence of him talking to any of them, ever being in the house, of him stalking them on the internet. There's no murder weapon. There's no motive even.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
So without this DNA evidence, the case against Koberger becomes a lot more problematic.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
That is very incriminating, yes. But if she, Ann Taylor, the defense attorney, is trying to get that... the FBI and the police coming into his house. She's trying to get that thrown out. She's claiming it was an unlawful assault without the necessary warrants to arrest him in his house. She's raising everything.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Yes, I mean, they took apart the break gears, they were looking all over for any blood, no blood in his student apartment at Washington State University, nowhere. It was a perfect crime in many ways, except for leaving behind the knife sheath.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Here's what the defense is going to say, and I think it's a fairly convincing argument, especially in a death penalty case. You have a white Hyundai Elantra by the house, but you have no proof that that's Koberger's car. You never see the license plate on any of the videos. You never see the man behind the wheel in any of those videos. They're all obscured.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
So there are lots of white Hyundai Elantras around. they can't make that connection directly. Then when you have the cell phone tower triangulation that puts him in the neighborhood of the murder house, well, it's a 10-mile radius. In a town like Moscow, 10 miles takes up a lot of territory, a lot of neighborhoods.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
You never have any proof that he ever parked in front of the house, that he was ever his car ever came to a halt in front of the house. You can speculate, but you can't prove it. Are these inferences enough to condemn a man to death? It might be hard for a jury.
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
Well, it seems the cops, when they were tracking the white Hyundai Elantra that night, made an error. They got the timelines wrong, whether accidentally or deliberately, but off by seven minutes. And they put the car that they allege is Kohlberger's closer to Moscow at the time, but
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Shocking New Kohberger Case Details About DNA Match, "Unknown Male" Blood, and Witness, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1002
The defense is saying that because of this screw up, which no one seems to be arguing that the cops got this time incorrect, this would have allowed Kohlberger to be driving away from Moscow and to this state park where they claim he was at the time of the murders. Stargazing. Yes, stargazing on a cloudy night at four in the morning when the temperatures are a little below freezing.
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coberger's father as he's going across country with his son as they're leaving for christmas break he too is getting intimations that something is wrong but he can't quite go all the way he can't make this realization that his son is a monster and the same way these two young women can't somehow cross this rubicon of what has really happened in their house what has really happened to their friends
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They don't want to face it. When you talked about when they say Zana is in black, they're trying to find a rational explanation of this figure that they see in black in the house. They go, well, maybe that wasn't a man you saw. Maybe that was Zana who you saw. And you shouldn't have to worry about it. Again, this is just too large. The moment is too large for these people to process.
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They're overwhelmed by it. I don't think they'll ever process it.
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hold of is what did the one girl say to her father when she called at 7 30 in the morning what was the substance of that conversation did they talk about the instance and why didn't the father then call 9-1-1 if she discussed the matter with him why did it was 7 30 in the morning uh that that to me is the more inexplicable uh question uh that still needs to be answered
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And what also is interesting, all these questions that you're raising, this is just what the defense is going to do because there's no logical explanation for them. And they're going to try to raise as much doubt as possible with the jury. And that's what this trial is all going to be about, trying to find reasons to raise doubt from things that seem on one level odd, but unfolded in real life.
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And we know that... Actually, I think he said, call your friends. Get your friends down here. When the father... That's what brought the kids from the fraternity down there to look. And that's when they had more people there. They felt... protected in a way, and then they called the police.
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And yet they're also realizing in one part of their mind that something is very wrong and they just don't want to go there yet. They don't want to give into that. It's as if you don't want to get the doctor's diagnosis of some horrible illness. And Mr. Gonsalves talks about, you know, there's no understanding of what happened. That's going to be the defense this whole case. There's no motive.
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And you're never going to get really a motive for this entire case that makes sense. Maybe you'll hear a story in the court, but how can you rationally explain anyone killing four young people in cold blood? There is no reason that makes sense for any reasonable thinking person.
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What the defense is going to say, you look at him, he might look gaunt, he might look like a vampire, but you don't see any blood, and you don't see any blood in his bathtub behind him, and you don't see any blood on the shower curtain. They're going to say, if he is the murderer, where was the blood?
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And the prosecution at the same time introduced that photo to show his bushy eyebrows that Dylan Mortensen, when she made the identification of the intruder.
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And that's what they're going to say. But also look at his knuckles. Do they seem sort of red? I don't know. I was trying to look at it closely. But other than it looking like a really weird continence, But there's no crime to be weird. You don't see any blood. You don't see any scratches on him.
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And again, that bathroom curtain in the background, when the police go to his apartment, when they have the search warrant after his arrest, there's no bathroom curtain there. They make a point of that.
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It's extremely disturbing and disquieting. At the same time, both the defense and the prosecution are going to be able to use that photograph for their own purposes. Again, the defense will make the case, no blood, no scratches, nothing to hide, no crime to be weird.
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And the prosecution is going to say, you know, look at the bushy eyebrows, and they might even try to raise the question of the thumbs up. What's he giving a thumbs up for?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Yes, I mean. Brian Kohlberger bought a knife just like the one that was used or left behind at the murder scene with the knife sheath with the Marine insignia, a K-Bar knife in March before he even came out. to Washington State University.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
That would suggest that when he drove across country that summer with his father, he had the knife and a sharpening tool he'd also bought packed up in his belongings, taking out to Washington State for whatever reason. And he wasn't a hunter. There's no evidence that he ever went hunting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
What also has been revealed is that after the murders and the knife has now disappeared, his Amazon account or the account that's shared by Koberger and his family members, he was clicking on other knives as if to purchase them again. The defense is going to say... that the Amazon algorithm just sends you there. If you bought a knife in the past, they'll send you there again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
But buried in the the the prosecution's filings is they're saying that they're going to have a witness. They mentioned that just yesterday was going to testify to him having possession of a K-bar knife. Will this be a family member? I found that sort of interesting. Could a family member be going to the stand to testify against Bryant.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
So what we're saying is, you know, they found out, excuse me, is writing a book, which is sort of interesting. What? Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
She can't publish until the gag order is lifted, but she's riding away from what I hear. I've been told from reliable sources.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
That's a chilling hypothesis. that the prosecution, I think, is going to try to make. And that's how they're going to justify any shortcuts that were taken in this case. We had to move quickly. Here we had a murderer they're going to claim, alleged, who was ready to kill again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
It's days after the murders. within 24 hours or so.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Interesting too. You mentioned the IgG, the genetics genealogy. Now that was a key part of the case before. Well, the defense, Koberger's defense is now sort of, we concede that was Brian Koberger's DNA on the knife sheath. The real question now, and what's gonna be the focus of this trial is, how did the knife sheath get there? The defense is going to claim
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
that Brian Koberger was never in the house. He didn't put it there. The real perpetrators put that knife sheath there and somehow they had gotten Koberger's DNA on it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
I think in the back of the defense's mind, and this is what I'm hearing, is they're trying to avoid the death penalty. Just last week, I think it was March 12th or so, Brad Little, the governor of Idaho, signed a law that makes the firing squad the primary form of execution in the state. That's what happens. You get convicted in a death penalty case, you go before the firing squad.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
That's your sentence. Koberger's team is now trying to do whatever they can to avoid it. The key to that defense is they've raised that Koberger is on the autistic spectrum, and they're saying that he has an inability to concentrate, to focus.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
His presence in the courtroom will disturb people, and they're saying that will be prejudiced jurors, and therefore the death penalty should be taken off the table because of that. I believe, and this is just my theory, my hypothesis, is that they don't think that will fly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
But they're hoping down the road that if Kohlberger still wants this case to go to trial, that they're going to be able to say, because of his autistic spectrum profile, that he can't make his own decisions, that they have to make the decisions for him, and that they want to enter into a plea deal. Will the prosecution go along with that? Well, that's what we'll see.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
That's going to be, I think, the big drama of this trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Well, it was done to avoid the death penalty, but also buried into that motion is they talk in great detail, which I sort of found surprising, about Kohlberger's inability to process information and to, this is a PhD graduate candidate, and also to work with them to give them the information that they need. They say they're hampered by Koberger.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
So I think they're going to claim that he's unable to be in charge of his own defense, that he can't make the right decisions, and therefore they want to take over the case completely and make the decisions, and they want, without his permission, to go forward to the state and try to make a plea deal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Nice to speak with you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Well, the state wants him to testify. They want him—he's given this alibi that he was out— looking at the stars at 4 a.m. on a freezing, cloudy night when the murders took place in a rural park. And the state is saying, well, since there are no witnesses, we want Koberter to get on the stand and say that he was there. And so far, the defense is saying, not so fast.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
We're going to bring up cell phone people who can maybe put him somewhere else or raise questions. But I think he will want to testify. I think And that's also part of, that we'll say is autistic spectrum behavior. And they will try to take the decision-making process out of Kohlberger's hands and maybe his, even his family's hands too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Yes. And but I think, you know, you can be bizarre and you can be weird and still be a killer. And they realizing they're. The state is trying to throw everything they can. They're trying to now also claim that they didn't get the discovery information in a logical form.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
The defense is claiming that. I apologize. They described it as if a snow globe was turned upside down. That's how all the files were given to them. That was sort of the image they used.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
We have four months before the trial. That's what you have to do. You have the three-man team and assistants. You have to go through all this stuff. I don't think it's going to work. They realize they're getting put into a corner. What they're If they don't make a plea deal, what their case is going to come down to is they're going to say that they were
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
other perpetrators that the state, that the defense and the government should have, I mean, that the prosecution should have looked into and they avoided them. And they say they avoided them at their own peril. That's their word. They're almost threatening them. They said, because you didn't do your job, we're going to go into the courtroom and we're going to expose how you didn't do a good job.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
And that might be more pressure for them trying to get a settlement to avoid what they're going to claim is a slipshod job in making this case by the prosecution and the investigators. But that's, you know, they still, they will go back time and time. What we're going to hear about, I think, this summer is the question we repeated by Ann Taylor. How did this knife sheath get in that room?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Who put it there? And that's what they're going to try to get the jury thinking about, that it was someone other than their client, Brian Koberger.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
It was better than Judge Judge, the first one, the first judge in the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Well, the first part about what's so interesting about the cell phone... a triangulation expert that the defense wanted to use. He's been used in other cases, and his whole testimony has been impugned. They really had to search to find one guy who would testify, and they brought in a very problematic expert who's not quite an expert.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
A Colorado judge threw his testimony out of the court in a previous case. So this is the defense's expert. Yes. And that's interesting. I think that's why Hitler was saying we don't need this. As for the car.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
know they're going to keep on hammering away you have no picture of a license plate and you have no picture of anyone over the steering wheel there's no clear photograph and that's that's they're going to make that case and they're also going to say it took the FBI three different times before they correctly identified the car within a certain number of years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
And they're going to say the FBI couldn't make up their mind. There's no license plate photo and there's no picture of a driver. So all this other stuff is irrelevant. They're going to try desperately, but there's just so much evidence against Kohlberger that I think the prosecution has a very, very strong case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
I think the defense will try to get a plea deal. I don't believe in Idaho, that the Idaho...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
officials will allow this case to be settled this case is at the heart and soul of idaho it's been horrific for the whole state uh they can try to tear down which the state did the the university did the murder house and make things go away this is never going to go away you've heard this that cell phone call You've heard those students. This is part of their life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
They want this case to end in a punishment. And I think it will end with a conviction. And I think Kohlberger, my belief is, will have to be sentenced to face a firing squad.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Here's an argument that proves that in Idaho that it's more humane. Last spring or last October, they had a convict and they were going to use a lethal injection. They wheeled him into what is called the execution chamber. They strap him down. They try to give him the lethal injection. They give him eight lethal injections over a course of two and a half hours and none of them work.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
was he like a cat yes i mean for some reason the people doing these lethal injections were prison guards rather than medical people and they just couldn't do it and he has to be wheeled out and then his lawyers try to make the case well this is cruel and inhumane punishment to bring him again and the governor uh brad little who just passed this firing squad law said not on your life bring him back again
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
They haven't worked out all the details. All they've done so far, they originally made a... $750,000 was put aside to build this sort of firing squad execution chamber. They've now said, for reasons that haven't been explained, they now need a million dollars for this execution chamber.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
So in this million dollar room, they're still debating whether or not these will be robo guns or will they be people with bullets? Will they be behind a wall? Nothing has been determined yet.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Pleasure talking with you again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Right. It seems that they did not even go up to the third floor. What's so horrific, you just listen to the hyperventilation. It's just it's so poignant what they went through. And the idea, first of all, that they did not make the call, as you pointed out, until about eight hours after the crimes took place.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
And it's just been released that they were up that morning, one of the girls at 730, another at about 820, and they were making other calls and texts. And they still wait until 1150 or so to call the police. And that's sort of hard to understand. And yet, you know, these children, and they are children, were overwhelmed by this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
and part of their reluctance why they might not have called the police and the fact that they were drunk they didn't they didn't want to face the reality we all hate to face some possible things but you can see from the dispatcher how the kids the students in in this college town felt the adults react to them we saw that on the police videos earlier when they come to the house on the noise
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
disturbances calls, how the cops go out of their way to dump their beer on the sidewalk. There's a real antagonism between the students and the town. And that adds, I think, to their reluctance to have reached out for help. But also, again, to...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
I don't think she's found Zanna yet. What I think and the way I reconstruct it is the door was closed and they were knocking because when they go up, I think it's Hunter Johnson, one of the friends goes up and knocks on the door.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
Right. And he's calling their names. He goes, Zanna, Ethan. And then to his credit, I mean, the young man's a hero. He says, get out, get out. He insists that they run away. He doesn't want them to confront what's in there. And I'm not sure they actually even get a glimpse into the room. He shoos them away. I don't think they ever really saw uh, the bodies. They just couldn't get a response.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
And that's what was scaring them. They were afraid to go into the room. They knew what they would find. They were, but they couldn't quite face this unthinkable reality. And so they kept outside and Hunter was the one who went in and he behaved like a knight in shining armor and difficult
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
They had intimations that something was wrong because you can see after the night before, the morning before at 4 a.m. approximately, when she confronts Koberger and then she, this is Dylan, and then she goes back into her room. The two surviving roommates are texting back and forth.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
and and they'd say i'm free just learn this yes i i don't know what's happening and finally uh bethany who's in the the first floor room tells her run come down here uh and it's almost like a prayer she wants her to get there safely and they stay there together until about 7 30 the next morning when they wake up and again they start texting and calling people but they don't get to the police.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
They're afraid to get to the next level. They don't want to go into that room themselves and they don't want to call the police. It's all too impossible to deal with.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
And it's a tragedy, I think, that the tape wasn't released earlier because for the past two and a half years, these two young women, the surviving roommates, have been slandered, libeled, their characters have been impugned if they somehow were involved in some sort of cover-up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
And you can just listen to this tape and you can see that they were not involved in the events, but they are victims too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
The delay is irrational. It makes no sense, but this was an irrational moment. They were going through an experience that was overwhelming them. They couldn't process it, and they didn't want to process it. They refused to confront the logic of what was happening. Just as when Dylan sees the assailant in the house, she can't speak out. That's what I believe saves her life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Disturbing Idaho Murders 911 Call Released, and New Bryan Kohberger Selfie Revealed, with Howard Blum | Ep. 1032
If she had spoken up, I think she would have been a victim too. But because she's too overwhelmed, she retreats into her silence and goes into her room. The intruder leaves the house and she survives. But this is really a story about people who are overwhelmed by events and don't want to face what is happening because it's too large. I write in my book, coincidentally, about how