Howard Blum
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes, and that's what the defense is trying to get. And what's so interesting to me, and again, I'm a layman, I'm not a lawyer like you, but usually if you have your case, you give everything. Give the prosecution hands over everything. Let it all be out there. Let's not make an issue for the jury. Let them decide. Why are they holding this back? What are they holding back?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They want to keep the investigative genealogy part of the case. of the case out of the trial even. They say, all we're going to use the prosecution is after his arrest, the DNA we take from the cheap swab.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And that leaves the situation where you can have a man who's very guilty, who might very well be a monster, but there's going to be enough doubts in the jury's mind to maybe let him go, especially in a death penalty case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I think, you know, first, you know, Matt Murphy knows a lot more about the law than I do or ever will. He's also very articulate and he's been a defense attorney and a prosecutor, I think, prosecutor and prosecutor. What the defense is going to do is raise a whole lot of doubts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
If you look at every individual item, it's how much dirt they can kick up that confused the jury, get dirt in their eyes, so to speak. You'll have the cell phone data. The cell phone data puts Koberger within a 13 mile radius at different times. That's not being at the same place as a crime. You have the surveillance videos of the white car, and Koberger has a white Hyundai car.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
But during the course of the FBI's looking for the car, they made three different years for the car. They weren't sure. And in every photograph, there's not one that shows the man behind the wheel or the license plate. So what they have to do is raise doubts. Can they raise enough doubts? And that's what the trial will see. There's also another issue in the trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
There's going to be new witnesses. One of the key things about the pretrial discovery I've been following is both the prosecution and the defense have raised the issue of a confidential source that needs to be protected. They both agree on this. They said that,
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
this has to be covered up if i can read this is what the defense said of why they want their documents for discovery under seal the document contains facts or statements that might endanger endanger the life or safety of individuals and then the prosecution came back and and agreed by saying that the release of discovery evidence could quote disclose the identity of a confidential source
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
a confidential source. So there might be some surprises in this trial. So you add to the confusion with the DNA evidence, you add confidential sources coming out of the woodwork at the last minute. This is going to be an interesting trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
yes i mean i i think that's an area that they're pursuing i know the defense has spent a lot of try time trying to build up the drug case what i've also heard though in the autopsies they found no evidence of any drugs in the system of any of the four young kids uh that were killed that were murdered uh but Is there a drug angle there?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Is one of the surviving people who are in the house, the two young women, is she going to be this confidential source? This remains to be seen. The father of Kelly Goncalves has been searching for this confidential source.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And at one point, his lawyer, according to what he's told people, received a letter from the FBI, from the FBI telling him not to intervene, to look for this confidential source, or it could disrupt the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
hmm but we don't know who it is or what what business they're in uh we don't know uh maybe we could just speculate but you know the defense is in the business of uh raising doubts i mean yeah will it be effective well i think for whatever it's worth i think the whole line we were discussing about the genetic genealogy
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I mean, at this point, the defense has to use every I would say trick that they can, every bit of law that they can. I mean, look at their client's alibi. It's been nearly two years and what they've come up with after they've been pressed numerous times by the court is that he was out at 4 a.m. looking at the stars in a wilderness park where there are no witnesses.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
It was below zero that night at the wilderness park and it was a cloudy sky, but the suspect was out there nevertheless.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
All that's been released to the public is the knife sheath DNA, the button on the knife sheath, actually. And that is, they've said, compares...
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
within reason of doubt to the cheek swab they took after the arrest the the prosecution if they have their way won't even mention the dna that originally got them there with that was taken from the family's home that was tied to the father they want to keep that out of the case completely and the defense will be moving heaven and earth to try to bring that in
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the prosecution is smart enough to realize... That the goal of the defense is to try to, as you say, muck things up. So if they didn't have anything to hide, why wouldn't they just put it into evidence? They said, OK, this is how we got it. This is nothing to be ashamed of using investigative forensic genealogy to get in there. But they seem to be holding something back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And that's raising more questions and giving the defense something to work with.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Well, because I think this judge is going to be more sympathetic to the defense. He will demand, I think, to the prosecution. Yes, Hitler. I think he's going to be a bit tougher.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
it's interesting on the first day when he convened the court in boise first thing he said was i'd like to say i'm happy to be here but i don't want to be begin with a lie he came right out that's what he's he told the courtroom he's going to be you know yes uh he doesn't want to be this the judge before him It seems clear now. Couldn't wait to get off the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
As soon as he had the first opportunity to leave the case because of the change of venue, he could have stayed on the case. He was glad, glad to go to. I mean, this is going to judge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The new mugshot showed us a very stylish, well put together Brian Kohlberger suit. who seems to become almost a new handsome young man in prison.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yeah, he has a three-day growth. He's looking good. And you can sort of see his whole demeanor during the different hearings. And there have been so many hearings, and they've all been on Zoom. I haven't been in the courtroom. But he seems to be staring straight ahead all the time. Even when Ann Taylor comes over and puts this maternal arm around his shoulder, he doesn't budge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
completely out of it, just staring straight ahead.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They have been zooming into the hearings. They talk with the lawyers in Pennsylvania. Will they come out to the actual trial? I imagine so. I think the families of the victims, two of them so far, have gone on trial. on the internet to do funding campaigns. The Goncalves family said they needed to raise $50,000 to go to the trial so that all 10 family members could attend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They raised the $50,000 so quickly, but now they've raised their demand to 75,000. They'd like people to contribute so they can raise 75,000. They wanna be there. They also have been vigorously pushing for the death penalty in this case. That's going to be the next, I think, big debate in this case, in these pretrial months, whether or not the death penalty will take place.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the use of the death penalty in Idaho is pretty problematic because of recent events. Last February, Idaho had their first
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
What the defense... has to do at this point is to raise as many questions as possible. I say that even though every time the defense appears in the courtroom, Ann Taylor, the lead defense attorney, makes it a point of putting her arm rather internally even around Koberger and saying, I believe 100% in his innocence. And yet what she has to do, the dialectics of her case is to raise questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
execution was taking place in nine years what happened at this execution they put the guy his name was thomas creech convicted of murder into the execution chamber and they're trying to give him the chemicals that will end his life for over an hour they try eight different veins to get get into him eight different ways to get the needle into him and nothing works
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And now they had to postpone the execution. I can assure you that the defense will be going through all the details of this botched execution and saying that this is cruel and inhuman punishment and Idaho just doesn't have the sophistication to make an execution. They just can't do it. And to see if that will affect the judge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
For this case last May, they passed a law that went into effect last June that will allow a firing squad. $750,000 was put aside by the state to turn the execution chamber into a place where they could also have a firing squad. This would only happen if they couldn't find the chemicals necessary for a chemical operation. execution. Oddly enough, you know, people can get fentanyl on the streets.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The state of Idaho has had trouble at times getting the correct chemicals for an execution. The $750,000 that was put aside to make this a room suitable for a firing squad has never been used. They have not done any sort of renovations at the state penitentiary to this date.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
there any chance the confidential informant is his criminology professor who was so respected back in pennsylvania uh dr ramsland uh yeah she's an interesting woman i mean she writes brilliantly perceptively about serial killers she's a forensic psychologist she teaches at de salle university that was you know he was her star student uh She is in communication with the family.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I know that I've been told that by people who know. She got in in the early days right after his arrest. She contacted the family. She said, is there any way I can help? And they were so glad to have someone who wanted to be supportive. She said, according to what I've heard, I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but if I can help you, guide you through this complicated process, I'd be glad to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And she has conveyed through the family information to him. I've been told that. Could she be the confidential witness? That would be really interesting. I think at this point, she's probably working on her own book.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Well, I'm sure they've reached out to her because the big question in this entire case was, Why were four people killed? At this point, neither the prosecution or the defense has put out a motive that makes sense in any way. What they have said is, for the record, that Brian Kohlberger had no interaction ever, ever with any of the victims. He did not speak with them. They have no record of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
He did not follow them on social media. So why? I try to address that in my book. I come up with a theory of why he did it. But again, it's just a theory. I think in the courtroom, they're going to need some answers if they want to get a conviction.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And unfortunately, for anyone who believes that Koberger is guilty, as I do, there are a lot of questions she can raise. The first one is, the Brady evidence, evidence that should have been given to the defense has not been given to them. This involves the forensic genetic material. They have not gotten all of it. They had to go to court. The prosecution was holding back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Very much so. I think the key point, the theory that I come up with, and again, it's only a theory, is that he wasn't after, he didn't go that night to kill all four people. He just went to, for some reason, He wanted to kill Maddie Mogan. He felt he could not live in a world where she lived, her beauty, her exuberance. That was just a constant rebuke to him and the life he was leading.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
So he goes into the house. He goes up the stairs to her bedroom. Then he finds Kaylee is there, too. And she becomes collateral damage. And then downstairs, there's Ethan. and Xana, they too were killed just because they were there. And the woman who survives, Dylan, who sees him, if she had cried out, if she had said anything, he probably didn't even notice her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
He was so locked in his own mania, again, this is my theory, that he just went out through this kitchen door. If she had spoken a word, she too would have been killed. Her silence, her retreating back to her bedroom saved her life. But the prosecution is going to have to build out a theory that's going to be not as circumstantial as I can in print or on the air.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They're going to have to have something. There's a lot of elements. We keep on saying, well, they can get over this hurdle. The prosecution can get over this hurdle. But you raise enough hurdles, and it's going to be very hard for a jury, especially in a case where a man might have to face a firing squad.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Right. And that's maybe very thin gruel to send a man to a firing squad. It's all the pieces come together, make a more coherent whole than each of the individual ones. But really, it's going to be a real burden on the jury, I think. I think it's going to be a fascinating trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
yes and his sister began to suspect him uh again there's a weakness of his alibi all put together uh is very incriminating but he's able to there's no blood ever found at least as we know it on his car in his apartment there's no incriminating information on his computer that we know about uh
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Right. There's no blood in his car. There were no scratches on him. You can make a very convincing case and the defense will make it in great detail to the jury that they have the wrong man. I think I think they have the right person. But why? Ultimately, I think the defense is going to say, why would my why would he have done this? Why would he have done this?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Why the prosecution would hold back on this immediately raises questions. What are they trying to cover up? This is America. Give them everything. Let the jury see everything. given an excuse for the jury to have any doubts, but they've only given back some of it. What specifically they've given still remains under seal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I mean, they'll just raise doubts, raise doubts. And... will it be convincing and again especially when there has a firing squad you're going to there are enough doubts that you don't want to send a man to the firing squad to face a firing squad
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And until this event, until his arrest, he was in many ways a success story. Here's a guy who overcomes all sorts of things. He's a heroin addict, and yet he beats it. He's 125 pounds overweight. He loses the weight. He turns his body into a fortress. He's going to a... a poor junior college.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
He gets out of the junior college and goes to a good college, DeSalle, and then gets into a great program in criminology at Washington State University. He does all this. He has one success, one success after another. He's trying to reinvent himself. And yet I would suggest that ultimately there's something in him that he begins to realize that he just can't fit into this world of success
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
this world of normal people, this world of conversations. I go back to a story I write about in my book where he first gets out to Moscow, Idaho, and he goes to a pool party and he sees some pretty young women and he gets their phone numbers and yet he just leaves the party. He never contacts them, but the women receive hang up calls. He just felt himself as an outsider.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
But I think this genetic information that the defense has is going to raise questions about when and how did the authorities know about Kohlberger?
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
at the same time we he was about to allegedly murder these four people yes but what he's going to say or the defense will say is just what he told his father on this trip that they take across america he begins to tell his father about some of the problems he's having at the university and that they're out to get him but he says i will come back there there'll be a hearing and i'll be able to make my case and i'll be reinstated and i'll be able to keep on teaching
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes. He gets the letter saying that he's been terminated. It's sent to his apartment in Washington State University. At this point, he's already on the road with his father. So he never actually gets the actual physical letter, but maybe he got an email because he does discuss it with his father on this road trip across America, and he's confident he can beat it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
he his neck was on the chopping block at the university for his bad behavior he was called into three separate meetings with deans and his advisors and at one point they tell him okay you're doing better and then a week later he gets into a fight with his professor he Had to be the smartest person in the room. He had to have the last word.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the professor was a former lawyer, a criminal lawyer in Washington State. And he just felt there was, I think,
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
haven't talked to him he he wouldn't talk to me he felt there was something off about the coberger's character and personality and this was reinforced by women in the class they said he treated them in a misogynistic way and one of them complained that he followed her to his car and that was the straw that broke the camel's back with the administration of washington state university
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
um but he was working out a lifetime of angst anguish and self-torture as he took that k-bar knife and plunged it into maddie mogan and her friends that night you make a very convincing case also i was just thinking as you were talking about who the confidential witness could be it could be one of his fellow students in his class uh one of the women who he might have walked to the car and felt
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
uncomfortable around him. Things might've happened in Washington state where there'd been rumors, but nothing is as that I felt comfortable about printing. Maybe these people will testify to that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
That's one theory, again, that hasn't been substantiated. That appeared on Dateline. The Dateline reporters are damn good, but I haven't been able to substantiate that. So maybe they have something I didn't get. It wouldn't be the first time. But I think something like that could come out at the trial, and those could be the witnesses who are willing to talk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes. I mean, and they also want some of the families make it clear they want vengeance and who can blame them in many ways. You know, one father said, I send my daughter off to college and she comes home to me in a box. How can you deny him his venting for vengeance? I certainly can't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
So 4% difference. What they'll say is that there'll be a larger jury pool. In Moscow, you have a jury pool of approximately 20,000 people. In Boise, it's about 300,000. So you have more to check to find someone. I wouldn't have moved the trial, but I see how the judge had to do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
You want to do everything that will make this trial stand up because you know it's going to be appealed if he's convicted. So you want to give them as less reasons as possible for having a successful appeal. And that's why you want all the breaking information to be presented too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Right. And jury selection will start July 30th. And they expect it. This is the other thing. When he talks about the trial date, he's giving just eight days for jury selection. I don't know if you can select a jury that quickly, but we'll see.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes. Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And it's not just me saying this, it's what the defense is saying. The defense is saying, well, if you actually did it the way you've explained, got the information that way, share everything with us. Tell us what the FBI did. The FBI, to add to this, confusion is not even giving everything to the prosecution, or at least that's what the prosecution is saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They're saying, well, we don't have everything from the FBI. Now by law, the FBI is supposed to preserve all their genetic investigation. Has it been destroyed? Is it missing? Or, and this is what the defense is looking for, is there something they're trying to hide? What could they be trying to hide? Well, it comes down to this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
When you're doing this investigation where you're trying to build out a family tree, you can only go to certain genetic databases. The other ones are precluded by law from allowing the legal authorities to get into them. Did the FBI go into a database where they shouldn't have? That seems to be a question that they're trying to cover up. And ultimately, it comes down to,
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
was Kohlberger, one of the attorneys involved in the cases, compared it to as if they took him into a lineup and it was a rigged lineup. They knew he was guilty to begin with. They already had the man they were looking for. This also comes back to something I wrote about early on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I've said that when Koberger and his father left Washington state to go home for Christmas, they did this on December 12th. I said the FBI were following them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I had it first and it was picked up by others, repeated by others. The FBI to this day denies that they were following him. Now, why this is so interesting. I've covered lots of stories. The FBI usually doesn't comment, usually says, well, we're not going to comment, wait till trial. This they've been vehemently denying it. And why are they denying this? Because I think
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The only way they could have been doing this, the only way they could have been following him is if they had accessed information that they should not have. And the fact- All right, let me just stop you there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Twice, twice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
Which is amazing in itself. I mean, you couldn't make that up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
genuinely pulled him over for two traffic violations it was very specific howard yes i mean could you imagine you're the fbi you're following this guy who's your person of interest in a murder case and suddenly you see him being pulled over and you don't know how he's going to respond if he is indeed guilty well he could you know and if he is indeed the murderer of four people something could happen to this police officer this highway patrolman
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
who's trying to stop the car, or the car could take off. You could have an OJ chase across America. But the FBI makes this decision to hang back because one of the reasons they decide to hang back is because what they're doing is secret. They have not even told the Moscow police, who are their partners in this investigation, that they already have this person of interest.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
They don't reveal to the Moscow police until a week later, until after the Kohlbergers get to Pennsylvania. And why are they doing this? What are they keeping secret? They're keeping secret that because of their zeal to catch a monster, they may be played fast and loose with the rules on DNA acquisition of certain websites.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And that's what they're trying to- All right, now wait, stand by, stand by.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
the big questions coming not not you i know the defense is saying this the exact dates i mean the fbi has said they identified him on december 19th he became a person of interest and that was because of uh car license plate readings and then they still hadn't done the dna yet
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
I am saying that on approximately December 11th, that's when they first got aware of Kohlberger and everything else followed. It was the DNA that led the case and allowed them to track everything else down. And you see in the public affidavit at the time of the arrest, there's really no mention of the investigative genealogy work that was done.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And the prosecution would like to keep this all out of the case. They say it's irrelevant to how we made our case. But the defense, and I think that's a really good case, is saying, show it to us. What are you keeping secret? Why are you hiding this? And it's all going to be about confusing jurors. When you don't- No, wait.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
And I would agree it was the Moscow police. The report is sent on the white Honda that the Washington state police, they sent it to Moscow. And what they do is they stick it in their file basically. And it sits there for several days until they get around to it. Then the FBI begins following him. And then the decision is made to get the confirming evidence they need.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
This is just days before the arrest around December 27th, they steal garbage from the Koberger home, and that ties it to his father, but not to Koberger directly. The only direct DNA evidence that the prosecution has that was willing to admit on Koberger comes from after he's arrested. He's in the jail cell.
The Megyn Kelly Show
What To Expect From Bryan Kohberger's Defense at Trial in 2025 - A "True Crime Christmas" Special | Ep. 973
The first thing they do is take a cheek swab of the DNA, and then they compare that to the DNA that was found on the knife sheath. And that's when they're convinced they have their guy.