Glenn Greenwald
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Obviously, the question of what Edward Snowden did, whether he did everything exactly the way people think he should have is a point that can be debated, has been debated for a long time. One thing I will note is that at the time of the reporting, there was a lot of support, both from the left and the right, the kind of anti-establishment populist wings of both parties. I remember it very well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And it was the centrist, bipartisan establishment wing that was enraged by what Edward Snowden did, because what he did, I think we have to remember, is
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
this question of whether he's a traitor let's remember that like tulsi gabbard edward snowden after 9 11 went to enlist in the united states army he heeded his government's call to go to war to defend his country he then went to work for the cia and the nsa and only there did he discover that the nsa was doing things that it was never supposed to be doing namely turning its very powerful surveillance tools onto its own citizenry it was always supposed to be directed outward
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And spying on Americans without warrants in ways that Obama's national security DNI, his chief intelligence officer, James Clapper, falsely denied to Congress that they were doing. And he felt duty bound to come forward and let his fellow citizens know. And some of the programs we were able to reveal as a result of what he did. Ended up being declared both unconstitutional and illegal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And none of the people on this committee are angry about that. They're only angry at him for having exposed it because these people on this committee have supreme loyalty to the part of our government that's secret and that has been abusing its power, which is why President Trump picked her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
to go in and confront that the other thing i want to say megan this idea of who's a traitor or not being a traitor means you tried to betray your country you tried to harm your country and help your enemies edward stone didn't have this this archive of of information that he was entitled to have he had classified uh top secret uh security clearance think of all the things he could have done with that archive he could have sold it to some foreign government or some group of non-state actors that made a huge amount of money he could have passed it secretly
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
to America's enemies. He could have dumped it all on the internet without regard to what it was exposing. He did none of that. He came to American journalists, myself, who was working at The Guardian, Laura Poitras, who was working with The Washington Post, and he said, I only want you to reveal what is necessary to reveal that's in the public interest for Americans to know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And all the decisions that were made about what got released and what weren't were decisions that we as journalists made. He played no role in deciding what was released and what wasn't. And the vast majority of the archive to this very day was never released because we acted in accordance with his very conservative views about how the archive should be treated.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
So again, you can dispute things he did, say he should have done things in a different path, but the idea that he was a traitor when he could have done so many things to harm the United States and everything he did was about protecting the privacy rights of American citizens is guaranteed by the Constitution that courts said were being violated.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
That's why Tulsi defended him, not because she believed everything he did was perfect, but because she knew that he was the only person with the courage to come forward and risk his liberty and risk his life, which he did in a very courageous way, simply to let American citizens know what their government was doing to them in the dark.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And I think this kind of histrionics about demanding that he should call him a traitor Which is ridiculous. And the one last point I wanted to make, Megan, quickly, if I could. I know Tulsi. I have a lot of respect for her, even though I disagree with her. I think I was just talking to your team about this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
If you look at those clips you just showed, Tulsi knew so well that if she had just called him a traitor, her path to confirmation would have been much clearer. But she doesn't think he's a traitor, so she refused to do that because she's not willing to say things she doesn't believe in order to advance her own career or gain power, which speaks extremely well of her character.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And yeah, I mean, and maybe even Democrats. I mean, probably Republicans, though, if she had said no, that she does not think he's a traitor, her confirmation possibilities would be over. They're already at risk, but it would have been over. And so you could say, yeah, she should just do it on principle and go down with the fight.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And then they'll just put somebody in that seat after her who says, yeah, trade Snowden is a traitor who should be murdered. The government did nothing wrong. The CIA did nothing wrong or the NSA. You know, what's the victory in that? But the fact she wouldn't affirm false claims. I think is what she did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
So I don't know, I wish she had said no, but if she had said no, her nomination would have been destroyed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
OK, first of all, go and look at that tweet just to get an understanding for how politicians so readily lie. The tweet was saying, look, if Tulsi Gabbard needs to say that I harm national security and the sweet feelings of people in Washington, have her go say it. I know it's the Pledge of Allegiance you're required to take in Washington.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
He wasn't saying, oh, I'm here to finally confess that I harmed national security. And yet that's the claim. And I have to say, there's so many claims that get made about Snowden. I know we don't have time to go into them. I just did a segment on it last night about how he ended up in Russia. He didn't choose to go there. He was trying to pass through there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
The Obama administration trapped him there. All the things that are used against him. But be that as it may, I think the key point here is that when Donald Trump ran in 2016 and when he ran again, he did not run against the Democratic Party. He ran against the establishment wings of both parties, what he called the swamp.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
People who believe that these institutions should never be reformed, that they never err, they're there to protect the status quo, they don't want Washington changed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Trump ran on a promise telling the American people what they already believe, which is that these institutions are fundamentally broken, that he wants to go in and radically restructure them, rebuild them, and make them work how they're supposed to work in the interest of the American people and not against them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And the nominees he sent there are people who shared that commitment, at least the ones that are controversial, to change these institutions that haven't been working. And I think it's important to realize that there are a lot of people in Congress, Senate Republicans and Democrats, who are very much have that pro-establishment ethos.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And even though they have to praise Trump and pretend they're on his side, they very much are there to subvert and impede what he does. And you're seeing a lot of that in these committee confirmation hearings.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Hmm. Probably not wrong. Unfortunately, I do think he might actually get a yes vote from Senator Wyden, whose entire career has been about warning of the dangers of NSA spying on Americans without warrants.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
I know. I was like, no. And there she was, you know, agreeing with him. I guess the NSA has too many. But I just want people to understand what this issue is that they're debating.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Since when is it a plank of the Republican Party or the American right that the federal government should have the right to spy on the communication of American citizens, which is what we're talking about here, without any warrants required by law? We all grew up studying the Bill of Rights and are taught that the Bill of Rights is what distinguishes our country from all the others.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And I actually agree with that. I have a lot of critiques of the United States. I treat with reverence the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. The idea that the government can't spy on us without warrants is foundational to everything that we believe in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And here is John Cornyn on behalf of the Republican Party treating Tulsi Gabbard like she's unqualified for a position in government because she believes the government should only be able to spy on American citizens once they first get the warrants required by the Constitution and the law. And this is what I'm trying to say. You have a huge part of the Republican Party still.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
who has to pretend and appease Donald Trump because he is by far the most popular person in the Republican Party. They don't actually, they're far more ideologically aligned with a lot of the established members of the Democratic Party than they are with Donald Trump and the people who worked so hard to get him elected and the ideology that he defended in order to be elected.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And this is what you're seeing. Tulsi Gabbard isn't there because Chuck Schumer chose her. She's there because Donald Trump did. And now they're going to vote in secret, which gives them the ability to vote no without any real precautions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And I do have a lot of concerns about her nomination and the fact that her nomination is endangered because she has been a longtime defender, both in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, of the privacy rights of American citizens is mind-blowing to me, but so reflective of how Washington politics has changed in so many ways.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Yeah, so let's remember that the most dangerous part of American history was the Cold War in the 60s, the 50s, 60s, 70s, and the 80s through the Reagan administration and then Bush 41.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
The entire time when the US government, the NSA, the CIA were spying on phone calls, if they learned that they were spying on a foreign national and they began speaking to an American citizen, they would have to hang up the phone and go and get a warrant. We managed to win the Cold War despite the warrant requirement being honored against all those presidents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And the reason why that's necessary is because we found out in the mid-70s with the church committee that the CIA, the FBI, the NSA had been wildly abusing their spying power for years against political opponents for blackmail purposes. And the FISA court was an exception. It said, look, this isn't a real court. It's going to be in the DOJ.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Only the government goes and 99% of the cases are going to get the warrant anyway, but the need to have to justify it, at least provide some safeguards without actually impeding the executive branch's ability to spy. And as you say, it was only in the wake of 9-11 when George Bush and Dick Cheney said, we don't care what the law says.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
start spying even if it's on americans without the warrants required by law lots of things happen right after 9 11 but we're far away from 9 11 now people in both parties have said this is too dangerous to allow the government to do the founders found you know viewed the warrant requirement is absolutely central to securing a free debate a free country again you can debate it but the idea that tulsi favors a warrant requirement for american citizens
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
cannot possibly be disqualifying. The other part about the program that Snowden revealed, that's 702. The main program that he revealed that ended up being declared unconstitutional legal was the fact that the NSA was collecting all of the information about all of our telephone calls
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
where we were, with whom we were speaking, for what duration, including by and among American citizens without warrants and in complete secrecy. And when you can find out the so-called metadata, meaning I called a HIV doctor, you called an abortion clinic, you're talking to some person that's not your spouse late at night, you get a very comprehensive picture of the person
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
whose data you've collected and they were collecting that data on every single american on u.s soil unbeknownst to not even the people in congress with no warrant or supervision at all that was the program that most bothered edward snowden that was the first one i reported at the guardian and that's the one that courts found were both unconstitutional and illegal which again you can debate all these other details but to try and claim that someone's a traitor or that they somehow are
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
unfit to serve in government because they believe in a warrant requirement or think it's a good thing that we found out our government was violating our constitutional rights, that's when I think you see this fanaticism to protect the U.S. security state that's very unhealthy for our democracy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
There's only one. Sorry, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Yeah, me too. And just by the way, the Constitution defines treason, being a traitor. It means aiding and abetting an American enemy in a time of war. That's what treason is. But yeah, and also you can pick up the newspaper every day, as you all know, Megan, and every article begins with, according to classified documents provided by the New York Times.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Washington leaks classified documents every single day. People in the highest levels of government for their own purposes. No one thinks they're a traitor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
That nails it. And also, anyone who knows Tulsi will tell you that of all the people who are in prominent positions in Washington politics, she's basically the least likely to submit to someone else's will or do as she told. I think there's a lot of assumptions going on there that she's incapable of real autonomy. She always has to have men pulling her strings. There's a lot of
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
kind of embedded assumptions going on. And also, you know, I remember the time that I was most offended. Hillary Clinton, who voted to send people to the Iraq war because she knew it would serve for presidential aspirations, but of course, never went and fought herself. No one in her family did. Never got near a front line.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Tulsi Gabbard answers the call of people like Hillary Clinton in Washington, George Bush, et cetera, to go fight in Iraq. She goes and risks her life there. She's been in the military for 20 years. She still is. She's a lieutenant colonel. in the military. And then Hillary Clinton turned around in 2016 and said, I think she's being controlled by the Russians. Her loyalties lie elsewhere.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And then you have all these people today, again, trying to say that somehow she's in Putin's pocket or she's in Assad's pocket. It is really reprehensible. You can disagree with Tulsi Gabbard's view on Syria or Russia or Ukraine, whatever. Those things should be debated and are debated. And like you said, So what's the worst thing that can happen?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
You put someone like that into a position, you have a debate, you have vibrancy. There's still safeguards. You can impeach her if she really does any of these worst case scenario things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
But to watch somebody who has given their entire lives to being deployed overseas, to putting their life in harm's way for their country, and then have a bunch of politicians who send people to war but never go and fight them or send their kids to go to fight them, impugning her patriotism constantly or her integrity is really disgusting. And I feel very offended when I watch it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
This is the exact same impression I had with the RFK Jr. hearing yesterday. You would think that these people are defending policymakers and decision makers and institutions that have been unerring, that have done nothing but great things for America. How dare you say that our health regulatory system has anything wrong with it, needs fixing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
We just got lied to over and over about one of the most consequential health crises in 100 years. And we know we got lied to. Same thing here. We have fought so many wars, got involved in so many overseas conflicts that have been absolutely disastrous for the United States. A lot of it has been based on lies, based on false intelligence. That's Iraq, that's Vietnam, and many other things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And here you have somebody, Tulsi Gabbard, saying something that has been said for decades in Washington at the highest levels of the CIA, which is, if you try and expand NATO into Ukraine, the Russians will perceive this as an existential threat, and you're going to provoke some sort of conflict where they go over the border into eastern Ukraine and
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
and even into Crimea and try and annex it to defend themselves. So she's trying to say, you don't have to agree with her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Hey, we should think about the things we're doing in Eastern Europe that are threatening to the Russians, and we should try and get along with them, given that they have the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, something Ronald Reagan did, something Richard Nixon did, went and visited Russia, did arms deals with them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
If you do anything other than simply clap like a seal for everything the US foreign policy establishment does and says and never criticize them and only side with them and say everything they do is right, if you do anything else like that, it means you're with them and not us. I want people in our government who are able to be engaged in self introspection.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And say, hey, maybe the policies that we're pursuing are causing harm. It doesn't mean Putin was justified in invading Ukraine. She never said that. She said the opposite. But we still should look at our policies all the time. And the idea that if we're critical of our leaders or our government's policies, it means we're a traitor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
To me, the highest duty of patriotism is to try and improve your country, improve your government. And sometimes that means by criticizing it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
This is the thing that really amazes me, Megan, and it's been amazing me for two years now. The Democrats keep saying with a straight face that they are concerned that first Donald Trump won, and now if Kash Patel gets confirmed, that they're gonna politicize the Justice Department in order to weaponize the Justice Department and go after their political enemies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And you're sitting there and you're watching this and you're thinking, I just watched you bring four felony cases against Donald Trump and openly admit that your election strategy was to make sure he was imprisoned prior to the 2024 election because you thought that was the best chance for you to win the election with Joe Biden.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
I've watched you spend the entire first Trump term unleashing Robert Mueller and every prostitute you can find based on this bizarre conspiracy theory that Trump collaborated with the Kremlin, which came out of the FBI and the CIA because they hated Trump. And Robert Mueller himself ended up saying there was no evidence for it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
They've done nothing but the Democrats have politicized and weaponized the CIA, the FBI, the entire justice system and intelligence apparatus. And then they have the nerve to turn around and say that because Trump is putting somebody in there who wants to clean that out, they're the ones that are going to weaponize the justice system. The level of audacity to this is almost impossible to swallow.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Also, what they're really trying to do is basically create an immunity for people who broke the law. Let's assume that it is true, which of course it is, that people inside the FBI and these other agencies abused their power because they wanted to destroy Donald Trump because they disliked him politically, which of course we know. We've seen the emails of people inside the FBI.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
saying exactly that, who brought the Russiagate investigation. Should those people be allowed to just continue in the FBI as if they never abused their power? Or should the people who abused their power be removed from that position? Of course they should be removed from that position. They're trying to extract a promise from Kash Patel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
That he won't remove any of the people who did the Democrats bidding by abusing these agencies and destroying their credibility. And he's saying, look, they won't be subject to political retribution. But obviously, the people inside these agencies broke the law. Of course, they should be investigated. That's what it means to have a rule of law.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Well, also, you know, look at what the Democrats are defending. They just got done with an election where they largely got crushed because they were perceived as, correctly, as the party of the status quo, as the party that defends even rotted American institutions that people hate. And now they're defending the pharmaceutical industry from more regulatory scrutiny. They're defending the U.S.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
surveillance state from being able to spy on Americans without warrants. And here they're defending the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building in Washington. And obviously, when Kash Patel is saying we should close it or whatever, what he's obviously saying is this was never intended to be some permanent part of Washington power.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
This was a law enforcement agency that was supposed to solve federal crimes, investigate and solve federal crimes throughout the country. Instead, it's become yet another arm of how Washington exercises power. against the rest of the country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
And we should take these resources and put them inside the United States, not putting them all in Washington, because that's how it becomes a political entity when you're centering everything in Washington. Everybody wants to work in Washington, be around Washington. Of course, it's going to then become politicized. And this idea of a museum to the deep state
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
we do have a deep state in the united states so white eisenhower warned about it 60 years ago on his way out in the uh of the office it's a permanent power faction that exercises power regardless of the outcome of elections and outside of democratic accountability and it used to be foundational on the american left to understand this and now it's taboo to say it but this is part of the reason why i'm most enthusiastic about these nominees the ones running into the most uh resistance cash patel rk jr tulsi
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Because they're essentially saying there's something very wrong in how Washington works. The power that has been centralized was never supposed to be like this. And we need to break it up. We need to smash it up into little pieces and make sure that that abuse becomes manifest and can't be replicated again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More | Ep. 996
Great to see you, Megan. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
Happy New Year to you. Yes, we call that Insurrection Day in our household. I forgot that I was your first guest and I called myself the godfather of this program for some time, but you grew a lot and I figured that title was no more inappropriate. But yeah, it's always great to be back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is, you know, I think it's important to sometimes underscore how amazing it really is for people who may not have been involved in politics 20 years ago, who weren't paying a lot of attention, who were too young to have lived through it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The policies that Dick Cheney stood for, that Liz Cheney by his side was a vocal advocate of and continues to this very day to justify, not just the invasion of Iraq, throw that to Guantanamo, due process free imprisonment, kidnapping people off the streets of Europe, torture, CIA black sites.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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These things were regarded at the time for years as one of the greatest evils in American history by liberals and Democrats. They were calling these people Nazis and war criminals. And to be honest, I was among them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So to watch the commendation not just be about Liz Cheney's heroic role on the January 6th committee, but Biden said 20 years of service in defense of dignity, freedom and decency when she's a symbol of these policies that they said at least as bad about as they say of Trump now is just so indicative of how Democratic Party politics has become so craven and empty.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There's so many things to say about that. I honestly don't know where to start. But first of all, just as an aside, because you brought it up, the reason Anna Wintour, the editor in chief of Vogue, got that award is because she refused to put Melania on the cover of Vogue like the first time in years that a first lady hasn't been on there, but put Jill Biden on there twice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So she has made her political affinities very clear. And of course, the Biden administration loves her for that. OK, we just went through a campaign where Kamala Harris effectively made Liz Cheney her running mate, dragging her all throughout the Midwest as though disaffected, you know, working class people were yearning for a return of the nobility of the Cheneys as that's what they were craving.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And look, I have Liz Cheney here and look, I'm going to bring go to Michigan and remind all of you the Muslim voters that I need that I have Dick Cheney's daughter with me to remember them. And it failed. Not only did it fail in terms of Liz Cheney, I think the broader point failed to trying to tell Americans that ideology doesn't matter. Economics doesn't matter. Culture doesn't matter.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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All that matters is our conception of democracy. And remember, January 6th, and it was Liz Cheney. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. This is not what people think. It was a three-hour riot that was easily subdued. It had about a thousand Trump supporters at most. Two of them dropped out of a heart attack. One of them from an overdose. These were not trained militias. Nobody wielded a gun.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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to continue to try and squeeze the stone after they just got crushed doing it. January 6th, insurrection, Liz Cheney. They're just so out of ideas that it's almost like they don't even internalize the rejection that they just experienced.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, I just, I'm almost hesitant to say it because, you know, we all have this experience, I think, where somebody in our family or somebody beloved by someone close to us ends up in like the last stages of their life. They're, you know, experiencing various forms of dementia. They go into nursing homes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You talk to any caregiver in a nursing home and they will tell you that male patients in particular, as they get older, they start doing very inappropriate things. They lose sense of their boundaries, but also they just don't, You can't follow a conversation any longer. And they get very grumpy at the same time, like almost aggressive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
That was like, I mean, I would have been concerned for my physical safety if I had been in the vicinity of Joe Biden when he was speaking that way, because actually that dementia can make people very physically powerful. True. Megan, I was going to talk about how the lies that the media told about January 6th, like Brian Sicknick being murdered.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Bludgeon to death of a fire extinguisher, all that, all those lies that they told. I think it's really worth pausing that if Joe Biden had been reelected, as a lot of them wanted him to do, as the Democratic Party was intending for him to be, He would have four more years in this state, four more years. He's 82. He would go to 86. He already doesn't know where he is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He has no compartmental self-control. He doesn't understand what's being said to him. And the media and Democrats have spent not just years, but even more so over the last 12 months heading into the election, vehemently insisting that Joe Biden has never been sharper, that he's smarter than everybody in the room, that he's whip smart and detailed focus. And they continue to say it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Simone Sanders said it. Chuck Schumer was saying it just a few months ago. The lie that they told about Joe Biden's mental capacity when they thought they needed him to be reelected is such a foundational lie to our democracy. And so many of them were complicit in it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Also, they're still lying. They're still lying. The idea that Joe Biden so patriotically and selflessly decided he was going to step down because it was for the good of the country, he was infuriated that they were forcing him to step down. They threatened him with the 25th Amendment. Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama were calling every day and intensifying their threats.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
Nancy Pelosi said, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. He's enraged and bitter to this day that they forced him to leave the race. He didn't selflessly do anything. let alone decide he didn't want to run for reelection.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
The other part of it though, Megan, is there obviously have been times when the media has lied to the public about the war in Vietnam or Iraq or Russiagate, all Hunter Biden's laptop. And those were instances where the public had no way of knowing what the truth was. They had no way of knowing that they were being lied to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The amazing thing about this case is that if you look at public polling data, going back to 2020, 2021, The public knew that Joe Biden was cognitively declining. They knew he was cognitively unfit for the presidency. The media pretended over and over that it was a lie. And until the debate happened when they couldn't hide it anymore and they all had to pretend, oh my God, we can't believe it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
It turns out Joe Biden doesn't seem like he's all there. And the amazing part about that is when George Clooney wrote that op-ed that ended up being a significant catalyst to forcing Joe Biden out, which is the weird unto itself. But when George Clooney wrote that, he said when he decided that this has to happen was at that fundraiser they did where Barack Obama led him off the stage.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
And he said that Joe Biden was a Joe Biden I had never seen before. At the time, everybody else noticed that. They said, look, Joe Biden doesn't even know where he is. Obama has to walk him off the stage. The Washington Post, the New York Times, in conjunction with the White House, collaborated to say this was disinformation, right wing cheap fakes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
In other words, they were showing the correct video but lying about it. And then George Clooney comes out and says, yeah, at that event, he wasn't there. And none of these media outlets have remotely accounted for what it is that they did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
You know, first of all, if you watch her interviews, like her series of interviews since she took over Meet the Press, and it's not like Chuck Todd was any better, maybe just a little smoother, a little more subtle about it because he'd been on for so long. Every time she interviews a Trump supporter, every time, that's what she does. She interrupts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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to try and imply that what's being said is too false to even allow it to be on the air. She constantly debates the person she's debating after they say something by saying there's no evidence for it. She then wants to pivot to show how aggressive she is on behalf of the Democrats.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She has never, ever interviewed a Democratic Party politician that way ever, where she's constantly interrupting, explicitly saying they're lying, just like those moderators at ABC News did, where they never fact-checked Kamala or anything she said, despite the multiple lies they only gave to Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then in this case, again, I have to say the fact that that was after the debate, every American of any kind of political stripe who is being remotely honest, saw with their own eyes, not for the first time that Joe Biden was not just cognitively declined, but cognitively crippled. And then they're sitting there saying there's no evidence for that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then they turn around and wonder, why is nobody listening to us? Why is everybody turning us off? Why does everybody distrust us? And they complain about this endlessly. The fact that, oh, there are these other podcasts and independent media that people turn to and they're so angry about it. They think it's so dangerous that no one listens to them anymore. They never look inward.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She should just look at that one interview she did, just that one. And the answer lies right in there. Right. So, so flagrantly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, just add one thing like on what you said with that interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates and even going back to Kirsten Walker's interview of Doug Burgum. I actually think that journalists should be adversarial when they're interviewing people that way. The problem is they have to be adversarial to everybody. That's supposed to be the role. People with influence, people who come on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And if you're only adversarial when one view is being expressed, but not the other, that's when questions arise. That's your agenda. I bring this up every time, not to praise you, but just because it's true. Like I remember back in 2014, 2015, when I didn't even know you and there was a political profile of you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
And that's one of the things I said about you was like, just take a look at how she interviews Republican politicians. I know you loved DeSantis during the campaign, but interviewed him extremely aggressively because that's your job. And the problem is so often they don't do that job. They do it only for politicized ends, not journalistic ones.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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As for the whole, we should have covered this more, she's of course right. But I think there needed to be a discussion, because it's a little bit easy to say now, about why wasn't there more coverage of that? There were a couple of reporters who were trying, like Alex Thompson at Axios. Oh, sorry, Axios. Yeah, one of them. You might as well just confuse them. They're the same.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But yeah, Alex Thompson, I think he's at Axios now. He was at Politico. He was on this for a long time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And the problem was, and I was thinking about this when I was listening to Kristen Walker too, is if you're one of those journalists who deviates just a little bit, if you're in corporate media and television, in the op-ed page of the New York Times, Washington Post, and you deviate just a little bit, you actually do start asking those questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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you get mobbed, attacked by the people who you think matter, namely liberals. And it's a very aggressive and effective form of discipline to say, if you do do your job, we are going to spend three days on Twitter, you know, demonizing you, attacking you, trying to ruin your reputation. And no one wants that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so they get into this mindset of, oh, I better perform the way everybody expects me to perform, which is tell anyone defending Trump that they're lying, interrupt them, say we can't have those lies on the air and then switch to defending Biden. And so much of that dynamic was about that. So I'm glad Jan Crawford said that. But I think they needed some self-reflection.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
Like, why was that so uncovered?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
Yeah, I mean, it's so easy to dump on Joe Biden now because Joe Biden is never going to run again. No one needs him anymore for anything. And ever since he was forced out of the race, they kind of started turning on him. But here's the thing. Kamala Harris as vice president was not only one of the closest people to Joe Biden, at least in theory.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, she met with him all the time, that's for sure. But she also has a constitutional duty as vice president. There's the 25th Amendment. to alert people if the person who has all this power, who's running the executive branch, who's the commander in chief of the armed forces, is incapable of doing the job.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And not only didn't she do that, she was one of the most overt liars in defending Joe Biden before he dropped out, insisting that he was sharp as a tack and all of that. Why isn't there, if this is a genuine sort of let's figure out what we did wrong kind of moment, Simply attacking Joe Biden is really kind of pointless.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And even sort of saying, hey, we have to figure out what to avoid next time getting caught. That's even worse. I mean, Kamala Harris is probably going to run for governor. She's talking about running for president again. She bears a lot of accountability for perpetuating this. And this is not a trivial lie. This is fundamental to our democracy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And you don't see any accountability trying to be brought to her by these journalists because she's still valuable to them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, Megan, I think this is like kind of an intangible, but I think one of the biggest problems with Kamala Harris as a politician is that she was constantly petrified of saying something that would bring embarrassment to her. And that insecurity generally comes from a lack of knowledge. You know, if you're supposed to know about something, but you don't, you want to be as vague as possible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She spent her entire life until she got to the Senate, you know, six months ago saying doing law, she was a lawyer, she was a prosecutor, totally perfect profession, nothing to be embarrassed about with that. All she knew though, all she really knows is the law, she knows criminal law, she knows how to prosecute, or at least she knows about prosecution.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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she never thought about, studied, and got involved with foreign policy, economic policy, immigration policy, securing the root causes in Central America of instability and poverty in those countries, the things that she was supposed to be able to speak on. And she knew she was a fraud. That's why for three years, we never heard from her except in the most scripted ways. And they tried to
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
can find her that way during the election too. Remember when she wouldn't even sit down with a reporter for so long and then she finally didn't. It was like the friendliest reporters. And her worst moments were often with the friendliest reporters like on Stephen Colbert and The View when she's like, I wouldn't be different than Joe Biden at all.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I can't think of anything that I would have done differently. She's a terrible politician. She knows almost nothing. And the entire attempt to foist her on the country with no votes, no debates, no democracy, was at least as bad as what the media did in concealing Joe Biden's mental decline.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
You go back and look at how Kamala Harris was talked about all the way up until the time that she was bequeathed to us by Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama. She was a national joke. There were all these stories in liberal outlets. She was firing her staff constantly. She had no role to play. Everything she did turned to crap. She was... not trusted to do anything.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She was never considered, she ran for president once before and dropped out before the first vote was counted despite having every structural advantage, massive cash from California where she comes from, a huge campaign structure. She was a historic figure as a black woman, so the media loved her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She had every conceivable advantage, but she was such a terrible politician, she couldn't even make it to Iowa. And then suddenly we were supposed to be told, and she was chosen by Joe Biden because he had promised to choose a Black woman for his vice presidency. That's the reality. He only had two or three choices, none of which were particularly good. And that is the truth.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And the media on a dime, Megan, turned around and tried to convince us that she was like this historic pioneer, this generational political talent who was going to inspire young Americans. come out to droves and crush Donald Trump once and for all. The whole thing was a fraud. It was a complete fraud. It lasted about three weeks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
And then the whole house came crashing down because it was built on no foundation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Media Obsessed with January 6 To Smear Trump Supporters, and Biden's Bizarre Outburst, with Ben Shapiro and Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 976
And the reality is that Joe Biden knew that, which is one of the reasons why he was so determined not to drop out. And I don't blame him for on some level thinking that he would have been the better candidate because it's hard to imagine how somebody could have been worse. And on top, you know, I mean, he's at least proven over 50 years that he is a adept politician.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He knows how to win elections. You know, in 2020, he won. He was in the Senate for one for vice president. Yeah. It's like even with his brain melting, there's still like a part of him that you just kind of like you wind him up and he's like, hey, I'm Scranton Joe. And it's like an instinct that she completely lacks. So I almost understand his his bitterness.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But the Democratic Party was in a huge bind because they knew she was not even close to their strongest candidate. The problem was, had they chosen Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro or even Gretchen Whitmer,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There were a lot of people on the base of the party on whom they rely who would have said, how dare you pass the black woman by who was elected, who was at your side, who was next in line and choose a white man or a white candidate instead. And the identity politics framework that they created that they thought would help them has become their Frankenstein. And they were trapped.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They could not they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. And they hoped that the media would be able to create enough of a fraud that it would lift her and hide her flaws. And it just didn't come close to working.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, despite how much I criticize media and journalists, or if you want to call them that, journalists, if you're being very generous, I actually believe in journalism a lot. Like a lot of times I'm criticizing it because I want us as a country to have good journalism. It's absolutely crucial. And one of the things that... sickens me the most when I listen to montages like that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The lying is very apparent. It's the herd behavior. They read from scripts. I don't mean this metaphorically. I believe they get literal scripts. You know, like two weeks ago when Elon Musk spoke out against the spending bill and It ended up being sabotage.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And you saw this coordinated effort by the Democrats to call Elon Musk the president to try and drive a wedge between him and Trump, which was so obvious. Go look at how many Democratic politicians, how many people in media did that overnight. They all copy one another. They speak to one another first. They pick up on each other's language cues. There's no individuality.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's supposed to be like a profession of iconoclasts, iconoclastic politicians. you know, adversarial spirit. And there's none of that. So not only are there all lies in that montage that you showed, it's all so redundant. You turn on any one of those channels, you read any of their op-eds, they're all saying exactly the same thing. It's coordinated lying on top of just lying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think it's very healthy, despite, obviously, that political rhetoric sometimes gets overheated. That's just the nature of people fighting about things that they strongly believe in. When I, you know, the reason I got interested in the Trump movement in 2016, I had never found Republican politics interesting before that, to be perfectly honest.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was the Republican Party of George Bush and John McCain and Mitt Romney. It was very predictable, very kind of staid, very pro-establishment. was because Donald Trump in the 2016 campaign, which remember was architected by Steve Bannon, Bannon's vision was to cleanse not just Washington or the Democratic Party, but the Republican Party of a lot of its most central sacred orthodoxies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Steve Bannon's plan for Donald Trump, as soon as he got into office, was to raise taxes on the largest corporations and the richest, use that money for a bipartisan infrastructure deal that would renew America and put people back to work, and then number three, bargain with that to get funding for the wall. That was Steve Bannon's nationalistic populist vision.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He ended up losing a power struggle to Jared Kushner, a much more traditional Republican, and the first Bush administration... The Trump administration ended up doing things like cutting corporate taxes and the like. But that was the ethos out of which the MAGA movement began.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's the reason why they hated Jeb Bush and the Bush family and those Republican lobbyists and why Trump was able to mow one of them down after the next despite all Republican establishment money behind everyone except him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And this conflict that absolutely still exists, there are a lot of people who are very, very wealthy, who see themselves as citizens of the world, who are part of these gigantic corporations. Elon does business in a lot of places with Tesla, like China and India.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They have a very different worldview than the nationalist populist who got behind Steve Bannon and whose vision is very, very different on things like immigration. And you see this playing out and you're going to absolutely see it playing out. And it's so ironic, Megan, because you ask any liberal and they'll say, oh, the MAGA movement, conservatives, they're a leader worshiping cult.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Everybody is told what to do. They get into line behind Trump. That's such projection. That's what the Democratic Party has become. The But it's not any longer. It's a party of lockstep adherence. All the action of ideological conflict and vibrancy and political debate is on the right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Just imagine how demented you have to be to believe that. But I can go back and show you right around January 6th, I'm sure you covered it, for a year or two after at least, most Democrats were comparing it to Pearl Harbor and 9-11, saying this was the worst attack I mean, this is such insane desperation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is the sort of thing you do when you don't have anything to offer and you just hope by being as melodramatic as possible that Americans are going to side with you. And I mean, imagine what it's like, Megan, to wake up every day, go into their jobs, Remember, all the way up until the election, the main theme was Trump is Hitler. Trump's generals called him fascist.
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You know, all that he wants to put Liz Cheney in front of a firing squad. Is he going to be a dictator on day one? Imagine saying those things over and over and over. And nobody listens. Trump crushes the Democrats. And you have to confront your own impotence, your own pointlessness, the fact that nobody trusts you any longer. They're fighting it.
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They're not I'm not saying they're engaged in self-reflection, but deep down they know how discredited and pathetic they are. And they brought it all upon themselves with things like this.
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Or Judaism. So let me just, this is the thing. Yeah, so exactly. So this goes back to what we were talking about before about journalists and interviewing people adversarially. If you see someone doing it to everyone, you can say, okay, that's what they do. That's kind of an important function. I remember when the Charlie Hebdo uh, murder happened in Paris.
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And the idea was, no, we need to make sure that we retain the right to satirize everything, including Islam, including the things most sacred. That's a really important part of society. The problem is it's that, especially in Hollywood, just like with these journalists, they don't do it to everybody. They don't, they're not satirists. They're not adversarial interviewers.
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They're highly politicized with an agenda that's constantly concealed yet very, very apparent. And Hollywood is one of those institutions in the United States that until very recently had been a very powerful and very popular that has basically collapsed. Nobody goes to these films any longer. Everything is very fragmented. You ask young people who they admire and who they think is most famous.
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It's not Hollywood.
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star making and star makers anymore it's people on the internet it's youtubers it's podcasters these are the people who they're following and one of the reasons why hollywood has lost so much of its cachet i think the same is true for the media and so many of other institutions is because they're constantly engaged in political advocacy masquerading as culture masquerading as journalism masquerading as whatever and they become increasingly transparent and people just don't trust them anymore i didn't see the film so i can't comment on that but that is definitely an overall trend
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Always great to see you, Megan. Happy Insurrection Day.