Eric Goode
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Please introduce yourselves. Eric Goode.
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Did you guys both do Tiger King as well?
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Yeah. I mean, for sure they should be bigger. I mean, there should be a size requirement. There should be – you should have to have a certain amount of acres for each individual species so that they don't – like we were talking about the chimp enclosure at the LA Zoo. They bite each other's fingers off and – They need space. They need space and they need activities.
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And ideally what we should do is emulate their wild existence. But then you have this moral question of are we going to let goats into the tiger cage and just let them sort it out? Because that's really what they want. What lions want to do is chase down a wildebeest and eat it. And instead what we do is we slide a tray underneath their cage. And that's torture for them. It really is.
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It's torture for them to have an enclosed space where it's small. It's torture for them to not be able to express their natural instincts. I mean, it's one thing if you're talking about something like the thylacine, right, where they kept them in captivity and the last known survivors and you had this thing and like, wow, now we have video of this thing and now it doesn't exist anymore.
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So the zoos were like the last hope to try to keep this thing from going extinct. And it may not be extinct. There's a lot of- Yeah, seed banks.
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You can scoot your – it moves and stuff.
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Yeah, they think there might actually be living specimens that are alive. Well, in this state, they're bringing them back.
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Well, they're very hard to find. I mean, like, try finding a wolverine. You know, wolverine populations are pretty healthy, but good luck finding one. They're very, very, very difficult to find unless you spend an enormous amount of time alone in the bush.
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And then you're dealing with thylacines. You're dealing with a very unpopulated area that's extremely hostile to people. But there are anecdotal sightings, and hopefully that thing does exist. And I would love for Forrest to be the guy who finds it because he spent so much time looking for it. But other than a dying species, I can't see a good argument for keeping these things.
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It used to be that... A zoo existed before there was videos, right? So if you wanted to find out about a lion, the only way a child could see a lion was to go to the zoo and go, oh my God, that's a lion. Look at that. Look at that lion. And it is educational for children. But at what cost and are there better resources now? And I think video is a much better resource.
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It's much better to see lions in the wild.
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You guys, like, struck lightning with that because it came right at the pandemic where everyone's locked at home and everyone was like, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on with these guys? Yeah, captive cats and captive audience. And just crazy people. And then your new show, Chimp Crazy, is like basically all in the same vein.
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I mean, it should be a priority with certain animals specifically.
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I think there's some dispute about that. About whether or not it's the lead from the bullets that was killing them. I mean, that's what they say, but maybe... Yeah, I was reading something recently about that. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't attribute to... If you think about the number of animals that are shot with a bullet that aren't recovered, it's so small.
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You know, it doesn't make sense that it would be enough to kill off these animals. And there's probably some other factors that we are not considering.
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I think that's the argument. I think the argument is there's less predators and there's less prey. So like California, for example, you have a fairly small deer population.
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Because you have so many animals that kill deer right so you have California has a lot of coyotes in California has a lot of mountain lions and there's a lot of people where I used to live in the hills that did not like coyotes I'm like do you like rats? Okay. Well, if you don't like rats, you should like coyotes.
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Yeah, don't leave your dog outside because your dog is going to get – my daughter's puppy got killed by a coyote and I've had chickens killed by coyotes.
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And they kill fawns. They hate them. Yeah, they kill baby cows. They kill baby everything. That's just what they do and that's their job. But there's an ecosystem, and that's a part of the ecosystem. And what's really unnatural is ranching.
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And it is so odd how nutty these animal people are, these people that have captive animals. their home it's such a bizarre there's there I would like to see like a psychologist like a clinical psychologist do an examination of what type of personality wants to have these enormous wild animals captive in their homes yeah no for sure it's
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which is really unfair well they're cool you know they're just not cool if they eat your cat yeah but they're a fascinating animal i mean i i remember when i first saw them i moved to california in 94 and i was staying at uh do you know what the oakwood gardens are it's like those pre they're they're pre-furnished apartments that you just rent like people that are like sort of transient just moving it they allow you to like have a place before you get a place apartment yeah
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And I was driving, so it was in Burbank, and I was driving down the street, and I was like, who are these fucking dogs? What is going on? Why are these dogs running around? And then I drove over here. I had never seen a coyote before. Oh, wow. I was like, that's a coyote? Yeah. Oh, my God. There's coyotes on the streets? Yeah. And that was pretty rare then. But-
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30 years later, it became insanely common. I would rarely go, I lived in a fairly rural area where I lived in California. I lived about an hour outside the city, and I had a lot of acres, and it was cool to live out there, but you experience a lot of wildlife, and I saw coyotes almost every day. Almost every day.
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Yeah, but they're cool. There's something cool about coyotes. But the reality of coyotes, I don't know if you know why they're so successful. But one of the reasons why is because they're the only – so red wolves can interbreed with coyotes in that you get the coy wolf. But gray wolves do not breed with coyotes. They just kill them.
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And so because the gray wolf, which lived in California and lived all over the West Coast, was the predominant predator – The coyotes had to develop a way of surviving. And the adaptation was when they call out, when they yell out in the night and they're trying to do roll call and figure out how many guys are around.
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When one is missing, the female will have a change to a reproductive system where she will develop more pups. And then they will expand their territory. So because they were persecuted by wolves, they expanded their territory. So now when people came in and started killing off the wolves, which they did successfully, but they were never able to kill off coyotes because of this trait.
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So coyotes are now in every single city in the United States. This was not the case just 30 years ago.
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Yeah, but, you know, I'm sure you've seen that video from Woodland Hills where this man was unloading his car and a coyote came and snatched his toddler, like, right in front of him. It's hard. They're fucking predators, right? And you have to be careful. Little things and little people and animals will get eaten by them, and that is what they do.
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Right, right, right. Dingo ain't my body. There's no doubt that we live in complex ecosystems and we do not like the idea of them. We've developed these bizarre ideas
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establishments called cities and in these cities we have removed ourselves from nature and you know if you go to the mountains of colorado people are well aware of mountain lions they're well aware of bears they have to lock their garbage up they have to they have like a neighborhood email list where they talk about like bears broken this guy's car and everybody's on the look but they understand they're living in this system they're living in this ecosystem
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Most people in the United States that live in urban areas have no idea that they're in an ecosystem because we've essentially done some very bizarre stuff and isolated ourselves from nature, which is one of the reasons why we have this strange idea that we are not animals and that we are not a part of nature.
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You know, it's just weird. We're fucking weird. We're weird in our justifications. We're weird in what we allow ourselves to do.
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Well, to be kind, she's not bright. She's not a bright woman, not a well-read woman, unfortunately. And this seems to be part of the theme of all these folks, which is weird. And then you've got the one guy in Tiger King that's essentially running a little sex cult, right? That guy.
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Yeah. And then you've got the Tiger King himself. Joe. You've got Joe Exotic, who is also kind of... Running astray is the sex cult. But, you know, he's just got all this personality, and he's so interesting and fascinating. And if he wasn't in jail, it's really unfortunate, you know, because if he wasn't in jail, he would be a very popular person. He hasn't even seen the show, which is amazing.
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Well, he's trying to get Donald Trump to exonerate him and pardon him. I mean, he was constantly, after I talked about Tiger King, I get messages from that guy. I don't know how he's giving me messages. I'm assuming it's someone who works for him. But I get messages all the time. Like, you've got to help get him out, put him on your podcast, do this, do that. Yeah.
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I don't remember exactly what the specifics of his accusation. So was he caught trying to hire someone to whack that lady? Yeah. So he was. Twice, yeah. And that lady, is there any truth to this idea that she whacked her husband?
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And we are animals. That's the weird part about it. We're this bizarre animal that likes to keep animals in cages.
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And what a great way to dispose of a body.
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It's nice to— Well, you have meat grinders on the premises, and you have enormous predators on premises, and you feed them a tiger.
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And isn't there, like, a disparity? in the handwriting as well?
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It's also just when she talks about it.
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By the way, how crazy is that, that you could plot to kill somebody and let you out in four years? I know you've been locked up with a bunch of murderers and thieves, but I'm sure you're a better person now.
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Because he was trying to get Biden to pardon him. They wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole, but Trump might.
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Especially this time around. Yeah. Just for funsies.
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I haven't seen episode four, so I don't know. But when you guys were filming, again, spoiler alert, please, if you're watching the series, stop right now and scoot ahead by a few minutes. When they found that Tonka was in the basement, when I saw their film, when you guys were filming it, I was like, Jesus Christ, this lady is so crazy. She's showing everybody. I know. She has...
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With all due respect, she just does not seem like a smart person. And she's almost like if you gave her an IQ test and then gave a chimp an IQ test, it'd be a toss-up. I mean, I think that's part of the problem. I don't think this lady understands the consequences of what she's doing, just like she doesn't understand how crazy her eyelashes look.
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All of it is just – there's some fuses that are missing, some wires that aren't connected. And then because of the fact that at one point in time at least it was illegal for her to do what she was doing and they become accustomed to being able to have – and then their identity revolves around they're the person that has all the monkeys and all the chimpanzees. It was just fucking weird.
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Jesus Christ, you can own a fucking chimp still?
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Well, we certainly are. I mean, those people, they still believe in religion. But, you know, the reality of observable science is also there, unfortunately. You know, we're just a weird animal. We're the fucking weirdest ones. But the show Chimp Crazy, I just finished episode three last night, and we got to number four, and my daughter wanted to watch number four.
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First of all, how'd you start? How do you find out about these people?
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After Tiger King, how do you get anybody to talk to you on camera?
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Yeah, well, my grandmother had a monkey. My grandmother had a monkey. Yeah, we hear the story a lot. She kept in the attic.
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Yeah, the monkey's name was Chi-Chi, and Chi-Chi used to eat gum. So he'd give Chi-Chi a piece of gum. Chi-Chi would unwrap the gum and put the gum in his mouth or her mouth. I don't remember. It was a boy or a girl.
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I do not. I was very small. I was very young at the time, and I remember she had to get rid of it because it bit my cousin.
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But Chi Chi couldn't be around anybody other than my grandmother. My grandmother was very eccentric.
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Yeah, and they're not good pets. I think my grandmother, after her kids were grown, she just decided she wanted a kid forever, you know, if I had to guess. Wow. Yeah, if I had to guess.
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They still, to this day, catch people with large animals in their apartments in New York City. Wasn't there one real recently where a guy had a large reptile? Venomous snakes, yeah.
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Some guy, well, there's one, that one guy, I think it was in Harlem who had a tiger in his house.
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And there's a crazy image of the cops going up the fire escape and the tigers in the window. Yeah. And you see the tiger bearing its fangs in the window. That glass is that fucking thin, man.
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That is so crazy This thing is trapped in this like regular apartment with regular glass Like at any moment the only thing keeping that thing out is it doesn't know that it could just smash that and get on that Firescape and just go run through the streets Yeah, yeah crazy great. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, but the bizarre thing is that there's humans that want those They want those I mean
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I'm like, I don't think I could do it. I was so bummed out after episode three. I was like, oh, my God. I mean, I don't want to give away anything for people who haven't watched the series yet. I highly recommend it. It's really fucking good. But episode three, man, it's like... It's like there's something about, first of all, this is one of the rare times where I'm fully with PETA.
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Well, what about Carol then? She's a woman.
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Well, I guarantee if you go through the Texas private collections, there's a bunch of good old boys. Yeah, exactly. Believe that? Probably. Yeah, yeah. Got some oil money.
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There's a lot of those. Yeah. There's a lot of canned ranches, which is very odd. And some of them are fairly small. like a couple hundred acres, and they keep animals there. In my mind, what that is is agriculture. It's just you're doing a different form of deer agriculture. You're not really hunting. Hunting to me is you go into the wild, you go into the woods, and you experience real nature.
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And it's fascinating. It's enthralling. It's also so lonely. There's something about being in those mountains just puts you in check. none of that exists in a canned ranch.
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Well, the amount of money because of the Pittman-Robertson Act, the amount of money that gets I think it's 10 percent of all sales of outdoor activities gets donated towards wildlife preservation. And this is the reason why we can have these enormous national forests. where you have wildlife biologists establish what the healthy numbers of these animals are and how many people can go hunt them.
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And they also know because you have to when you say if you shoot a deer, you have to register that you shot the deer. You have a tag. They make sure that your tag is right. You got the right species. You got the right sex, the whole deal. And so they have a very accurate number of how many animals in there, and they spend a lot of money doing this.
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And these wildlife biologists do an absolutely incredible job. There's more white-tailed deer in this country right now than there were when Columbus landed. Wow. Part of that is because of agriculture. That's where it gets weird. So agriculture particularly – I have a good buddy of mine who is – he's an archer, a professional archer, and he lives in Iowa. Okay. I always get those confused.
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In Iowa, it's all farmlands, right? And they have enormous deer, and they set these ranches up. He has a place that's like 600 acres. There's no fences. The animals come and go. But they establish these food plots, and they put these things in to make it a good place for deer to be so they can hunt them. So it's this weird sort of...
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sort of ethical bastardization of the wild right it's like dealing with the reality of what you have you have untold thousands and thousands of monocrop agriculture acres so thousands and thousands of acres of monsanto corn and they're all these deer thrive there because when they chop down the corn they don't chop it all down and you know these deer they go there after fresh feedings they go there you see them eating corn and
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They eat grass. There's grass everywhere. There's plenty and plenty of food and a very low number of predators. Like Iowa does not have a lot of – they don't have wolves. They don't have a lot of animals that would sort of balance out the population of these animals. And so you have insane amounts of car accidents.
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When you're, you know, it's like when you side with PETA on things, it's like, you know, like this has got to be an egregious example of something absolutely horrific. And, you know, the one situation where the woman who was so drunk kept the chimp and then attacked her daughter and the whole thing. It's like at the end of the show, it's like, oh, my God, I don't know if I can keep doing this.
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Like when I was in, I went to visit my buddy there and just driving from the airport to his house, we saw like 50 fucking deer. And if you're going there around November, which is the rut, the men lose their mind. So the male deer, they're horny as hell. They're crazy. And the female are breeding. The female are running from the males and they're running right into traffic.
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And the males are running after them and they're running right into traffic. It's kind of nuts. It's a really nutty situation because it only exists because there's no predators. So, California has this bizarre model, and what California was like, I mean, California is, I think, the only state that doesn't have a fish and game department. They have fish and wildlife.
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And so they treat it very differently. Instead of treating it as a renewable resource where people can go and get their own food and hunt animals in the wild, they treat it like we should have the animals take care of themselves. And so that's why it's illegal to kill a mountain lion in California, and they have a large number of mountain lions.
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All the time. They're dangerous. They're underreported. And they are a predator, and they will kill people. And they have killed people. It's not often, but if you're on a bike, the problem with being on a bike is you're moving a little too quick, and their instincts take over. They think you're trying to run from them, and they can't even help themselves.
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It's like a kitten with a ball of yarn, and their instincts clip in, and they just go chasing after it. But I've seen mountain lions in the wild, and it is a sobering experience.
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sobering moment when you stare into the eyes one of those things you like whoa what are you supposed to do you can't do much man make a lot of noise you're not supposed to run you don't run if you if you have a weapon you're you know you should really have that weapon ready because they will jump you every now and then they jump people there's a crazy video yeah well i believe two people were killed last year in the pacific northwest
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But they also live in the least populated areas.
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And jaguars have to at this point in time have realized that people have bows and arrows and spears. And every now and then, if you go after a person, you can get jumped. So they probably – like grizzly bears behave very differently in places where grizzly bears are hunted. So in the lower 48, it's illegal to hunt grizzly bears.
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So if they see you, if you run into them in the wrong – they're not going to run away. They might run towards you. Especially if you surprise them, it's very dangerous. And that's why – and they will treat you as food if they're really hungry.
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Oh, I could imagine. And also, when I was watching this lady's enclosure, I was looking at the steel that's drilled into wood, and I'm like, I could get out of that. I could get out of the 100%. The way that thing is bolted into the woods, all you have to do is kick that door enough. You kick that door hard enough, and that wood will give out. It's the wood.
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It looks like you're encaged in steel bars, but the steel bars are connected by wood. Wood's easy for a chimp to break. They're so much fucking stronger than us. If that thing knew that it could just grab those bars and slam and slam. It would have worked on that all day. 100%. 100% it would have got through.
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You would have had to figure out a way, way, way better cage, especially the one that she put in her home.
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Well, they're too intelligent. They're just way too intelligent, especially as they get five, six, and seven years old. They get really fucking dangerous. That lady in Connecticut, I had heard that she slept in the bed with that chimpanzee.
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Right. I mean, how weird does it get? Wasn't she giving it Xanax and wine?
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You can't joke about that. You're going to get sued. Yeah, you cannot joke.
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So maybe they don't need Viagra. Well, primates are very promiscuous and chimpanzees in particular. If you notice that chimpanzees have the largest balls. of any primate, and there's a reason for that. The more promiscuous the female chimpanzees are, the more sexually active the males become and the bigger their testicles are.
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So there's like a direct correlation between the size of the male's testicles, and they think that exists with human beings as well, but it's more problematic to examine. Oh, so that's my problem. Yeah, if you're around a bunch of ladies that are a bunch of sluts, you might get fired up. No wonder I never got married.
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I think that with chimpanzees, you're dealing with these incredibly complex social structures. I'm sure you guys have seen Chimp Nation.
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Which is fantastic. It's so good. It's so good because it is a rare documentary that had this established... Element in that these scientists had been embedded in this group of chimpanzees for 20 years And so these scientists had very specific rules. You don't look them in the eye You don't get any closer than 20 yards if they come towards you 20 just move away.
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Don't ever have food There's like a bunch of rules and as long as you have those rules they behave completely normally and they just you don't you're just a thing you're like a tree or a bird or something not they're not interested in and which is really interesting, right?
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Because they got incredible footage of the social interactions. They got a detailed analysis of how they established dominance and who's in control. We used to think it's always the biggest, strongest chimp, but no, it's not. It's ones that form unions and bonds and communities. Very interesting. It's so much like us.
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I mean, it's incredible. Resources suck. How much did it cost? That's where I'm going. Yeah, my God. It's not a relief.
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Chimp Empire. Is Chimp Nation another one?
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Yeah, this is the Netflix one. The way that, see, the thing about the difference in your show is you need someone who's compelling. And so you have to find someone like, and what's her name again? Tanya. Tanya. Crazy Tonya, you know, and Joe Exotic. You need someone who's like the figurehead, like with the photo that you guys have on the promo of her laying down in the chimp behind her.
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It's perfect. It's perfect. I mean, you need that nutty person to compel you because there's part of all of us that recognizes that
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thought would come into our minds but then rational thought would go into play like you can't do this they're dangerous they're big they get older you can't control them what happens to them it's not fair for them to be and then you go I don't want to chimp but if you're
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dull minded, if you got a nine volt brain and you look at this, like, I am gonna take, they're more important to me than my own babies. Like when she says stuff like that, you're like, oh, well, you shouldn't even have a dog. Like, you definitely shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Well, it's also how they evolved. I mean, that's what kept them alive. You watch Chimp Nations, like those sort of instincts is what keeps them alive.
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Well, we didn't really know how murderous they were until Attenborough. When David Attenborough did that series, I think it was in the 90s, when he captured the chimps eating monkeys.
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And this is one of the things that when I had the guy from Chimp Nation on, I discussed it with him. He's like, how often do they eat monkeys? He's like... We couldn't even show it all. It would just be like the whole show would be chimps eating monkeys because that's what they want to do. They want to eat monkeys. That's their primary source of protein. They like fruit. Fruit's great.
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And they're about as strong as a 500-pound man. That's about right, yeah. Yeah. It's so insane for us. We had a chimp on the set of News Radio, like, 96 or something like that. There was a baby chimp. It was a baby in a diaper. And this chimp climbed on my back and whacked me a couple times in the back, just playing. It was just having fun. And...
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I remember, first of all, the feeling of holding it. It's like it was made out of steel wires. It wasn't made out of a baby. You pick up a baby, babies are soft. You pick up a three-year-old, they're all soft little things and you hold onto them and they're weak. These things were strong as fuck, like in a bizarre way.
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We like to look at something that's close to our size and think, oh, I could probably overpower that. You know, oh, I know how to fight. I'll fight that fucking chimp off. No, you have zero chance. It's a different thing. Everything about it is different. The muscle structure is completely different. The tendon structure is completely different. And the amount of force it can generate.
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Well, they have a background with the Animal Liberation Organization, which essentially doesn't think that any animals should be captive. And I do understand their point. But then you have Carl. How's Carl going to not have an owner? How's little Carl over there not going to be fed? Do you want French bulldogs to go extinct? Because they will. They can't even breed.
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Yeah, they know how to debilitate you and take away what makes you a human. Yeah. And they also have zero remorse. So they're like a human in that they can think, but they have zero empathy. And they're fucking dangerous.
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You also have the problem with less than extraordinary people being addicted to extraordinary circumstances. So if you have a boring-ass fucking life in some middle-of-nowhere town, but you also have a lion... You're cool. Life's pretty interesting. And that's Joe Exotic, right? Joe Exotic, I think, is pretty smart. He's odd, for sure, but intelligent.
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But in Tanya's case, what would that lady be like if she didn't have chimps? It is the focal point of her life to the point where she neglected her own biological children. Yeah, it gives her an identity. Yeah, in a weird way. In a weird way. In a very compelling way. And when people live boring-ass lives, things like that seem like something that that's who I am. Like, that's me.
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Because it's extraordinary experiences from persons that are, you know.
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Is it influence? I think we like experiences first. There's a part of evolution where human beings, part of our lust for innovation and for constant improvement of our environment and circumstances is we like extraordinary experiences. I think it's what made people successful.
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I think the more daring and the more addicted you are to extraordinary experiences, the more likely you are to find new hunting grounds. the more likely you were to conquer neighboring tribes, the more likely you were to survive an attack. I think human beings like extraordinary experiences. We like comfort, but not as much as we like extraordinary experiences.
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I mean, that guy had some fucking game. Exactly. Yeah, I guess I see your point.
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I want to go out with you. What a weird way to try to attract people. They always say that about puppies.
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Isn't it interesting when you see Carl interact with Marshall? Because Marshall's like, I don't want to hurt you. I don't want nothing to do with this. Stop biting me. What are you doing? Yeah, you can see it. Yeah. But you've got two different kinds of things. One of them is like a little bulldog, a little psychopath. And the other one is a golden retriever. It's like a love sponge.
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All he wants to do is be your friend. He wants to be your friend unless you're a squirrel. That's really interesting. You watch his reaction to squirrels, like his intensity when it comes to squirrels and birds.
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It's just instincts. It just fires up that part in their DNA that knows that that's what they do. But the bizarre thing with retrievers is it's not to eat it. It's to bring it to you. It's always to bring it to you. One time I got home and I let the dog out. I opened up the back door and I just had to take a leak.
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So I took a leak and then as I flushed, washed my hands, opened the door, he's standing there with a squirrel in his mouth. Like he got a squirrel that quick. Wow. And he wanted me to know. He was so happy. And I was like, dude, what did you do? And he was like, ooh, what did I do? I'm like, what did you do, man? And so I got rid of the squirrel.
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But whenever he sees one, it's just – nobody had to teach him that. He's locked in. Like that's what he wants to do. He wants to go get squirrels. And he wants to bring them back to you. It's a weird thing because it's like – You understand predatory instincts like cats have them. They're the worst. Cats have killed so many fucking birds.
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Well, you know, it's one of those things. It's like the... How it starts and how it's going you know like what would it where did it start from you know it start and? I see there look all dogs are a Horrible misjustice that's been done to wolves Like we somehow or another we have become friends with wolves and turned them into these strange things but the reality of life in 2024 is
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It's something like multiple billions of mammals and birds are killed every year by outside cats.
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I went, because I'm getting ready for this podcast, I went down a dirty road last night, a wormhole of cats, predatory cats. And there's compilations of cats just jacking pigeons, jacking squirrels, jacking everything. Everything they can get their hands on.
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They brought them in in Australia to deal with certain animals, and then they got out of control. And now in Australia, they hunt them.
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No, no, no. No worries. So their predatory instincts are more reasonable. I understand that they're cats and that's what cats do. But the weird thing about a retriever is he's not doing it to eat it. He's doing it to bring it to me. I didn't even have to teach him to bring a ball back. He learned within the first two or three throws. If I throw the ball, he brings it back to me.
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It's brought into them. Whereas every other dog that I've had, I had to teach him. You throw the ball, you're like, come on, bring it back. Come on, bring it back. You bring it back, give him a treat. And they understand, you know, praise them. And then eventually they understand commands and they have this like pathway that you've carved into their system of chasing the ball, bringing it back.
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We're going to have fun. Chase the ball, bring it back. Marshall, it was in there.
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and it just seems so obvious like tanya this chimp does not love you the way you love it well i think it does but it also doesn't have a choice right so if tanya lived in the jungle if she had a shack in the jungle and the chimp lived in the jungle wild and free how much for the chimp visitor first of all i wouldn't be eating chicken nuggets and drinking coca-cola which is weird too that she's feeding this thing and she said it has congestive heart failure
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Spoiler alert again. It's still good. You still got to watch it, folks. But if you give a person that, they fucking get sick. Like nothing you're doing to that chimp is natural. The cage is not natural. The food's not natural. Nothing's natural.
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You know one of the saddest things for me was when she was showing at Instagram reels and just scrolling through reels and the chimp's just staring at the screen. That was the weirdest one. That's really disturbing. But meanwhile, I do that.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're doing it to ourselves.
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I'm going to put this down. I'm going to go out in the real world and have fun with human beings and have a good time with my friends. You can make those choices. The chimp doesn't have a choice. It's essentially a prisoner for no reason, and it likes the guard.
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And Instagram. It was looking at a bunch of things, but just staring at the screens. But I don't think it probably understood that those were his kids, but it probably did remember what it was like to have babies.
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We have dogs, and dogs need owners, and they love you. It's a great relationship. But it's in their genetics, right? They've been domesticated thousands and thousands of years. It's like saying that we should be going back to chimps. We should live in the jungle. We should live in trees, which is also crazy.
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Well, it doesn't seem like she has a lot of self-reflection, with all due respect.
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Well, you know, there's the age-old term, with great power comes great responsibility. It is a great responsibility to hold a large chimpanzee in your house. That is a great power. It is an enormous responsibility. And she should not have the option to have that responsibility. She's not capable of managing that situation. I don't think anybody's capable of it.
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I think the same way, I just think dolphins, we're lucky that they're nice. That's what I think. We're lucky that they're nice because they shouldn't, they should be killing us every chance they can too.
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They're not just that, but infanticide. You know, the reason why female dolphins are so promiscuous. I know. Well, male dolphins, when they find a female, if the female has babies, she will not breed for, I think it's a long period of time. I think it's around six years. Oh, wow. See if that's true. Wow. So what the male will do will kill the babies.
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The males will kill the babies to force her into estrus, so she will start breeding again. So what the females do to counteract that is to have sex with as many male dolphins as they can. So they have sex with all the male dolphins. They're not monogamous in any way, stretch, or form. They just go and fuck as many guys as they can.
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So those guys will protect their babies because they don't know if that's their baby or not because they know they've had sex with her. But if they have not had sex with her and then she has babies, they will kill that baby. Are any animals monogamous? Because they used to think so. Yeah, penguins. Penguins are. But they only do it for like a year. They're monogamous for like a year.
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But they also look exactly the same, which is a trap.
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Yeah, I'm sure they do. It doesn't seem to serve any purpose evolutionarily for them to be monogamous. It seems contrary to the idea of natural selection. If you have potent genes, you should want to spread those genes as much as possible. So that means we shouldn't be monogamous.
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Well, human beings, we've fallen into this weird thing where we're more than an animal in that we are an animal, but we're an animal that expresses our thoughts and feelings to each other, and we are evolving. We are clearly different in that we are animals, but we can manipulate our environment like no animal that's ever existed.
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We can travel to any place in the world, which no animal could ever do on its own. We can do all kinds of things that other animals can't do. But more importantly, we communicate.
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Yes. And we empathize with each other. And we recognize things in other people, even heinous people, even people you don't like, like whether it's Joe Exotic or Tanya. You recognize, like, I see. She's not. I get it. You know, she's just a person who's all fucked up. Even that crazy drunk lady who had the one that attacked her daughter. Like, what happened to her?
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You know, like, what was her childhood like? You know, it couldn't have been good.
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Well, the calmness while her daughter was being attacked on the phone, the calmness of that phone call was just shocking.
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I think when that lady from the liquor store was talking about how much that lady drinks, who knows what she's even responsible for anymore. She's got to be out of her fucking mind all the time if she's drinking that much booze.
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By the way, how much does that photograph freak you out?
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When you see that chimp holding that baby at any minute and just decide to pull that baby's head off.
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So he's trained. He's trained to. But he's trained to smile. He's not necessarily aggressive right here. He's trained to show his teeth because it's cute. Right.
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Well, you're giving him the standard American diet. But look at the canines compared to ours. Oh, yeah. They're daggers. Oh, well, the bite force, everything. I mean, everything about them. We are so watered down by the evolutionary process. I was real aware of that when I was touching that two-year-old chimp with diapers. Like real aware. Yeah, sure. It's a different thing.
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And when you're taking this thing and you're, you know, it's a time bomb. You have like four years where you can control it, maybe five, right? And then they say after five, it's just like you're basically rolling the dice anytime someone comes over your house.
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And he lives a cool life. He lives a cool life.
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Insanely bored. Just like a person that's stuck in a cage.
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The one person that has the 15-year-old chimp in their house, How have they been able to avoid all that?
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Oh, come on, man. I'm not kidding. Similar to Trump. Now you're giving away way too much. You fucked it up. You fucked up the whole show. I'm going to look at her ear the whole show now. Yeah. So is that lady with the 15-year-old chimp, is that the only one that you know of that keeps a full-grown adult and has it just wander around with everybody? We've learned more. It's also castrated.
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Well, I think you definitely did that. I mean, I had a joke in one of my earlier comedy specials about Texas and tigers. And I don't know the statistics, but there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all the wild of the world in private collections. Yeah, wow. Not in zoos, in people's yards. There's these wacky people that have fucking tigers in their backyards.
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And how much of castrating it changes its behavior?
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It's so crazy. Fixing a dog is so commonplace. People don't even think twice. Oh, is your dog neutered? Oh, you're a good pet owner. That way your dog's not going to have unwanted puppies. But fixing a chimpanzee, what are you doing? What did you do to him? It's like fixing a human.
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What do you do, though, with animals that have been kept in captivity their whole life? You can't really introduce them to the wild, can you? It depends on the species. Certainly not. I mean, chimpanzees. Certainly not after they're castrated. Not chimpanzees.
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And there's a lot of, there's thousands of tigers in Texas that are in people's yards.
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Well, I mean, we were talking about house cats earlier. Oh, house cats. No, no, no. I wasn't saying that. I just meant cats a job. But I'm saying that house cats, which are completely domesticated, you can come to them and pet them. If you let them loose, they survive fine as feral cats. They all have instincts to kill and eat things.
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So I would imagine cats would probably be one of the easiest ones to reintroduce to the wild. But then you have things that are accustomed, like bears. One of the problems with people that live in rural communities is when bears start attacking your dumpsters and your garbage cans, they know food is there and you can't get rid of them. They will come back to that no matter what.
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You can't scare them off. You scare them off, you're only scaring them for an hour, they'll be back. They know there's food there.
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Well, you know, California used to have big, big brown bears.
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Settle down, folks. Settle down. Keep them alive where they are. Don't get nutty. All these people that want to reintroduce animals, like, okay, it's just you have to understand you're playing God. You're throwing.
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Levesque, California is named after the last guy who died from a grizzly bear attack. Yeah. I think his name is Steven Levesque. And he got fucked up. They were big, you know, big brown bears. And we killed them all because they were killing people. I'm not saying you should kill them all. I'm not saying what we did was good.
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But once you've established an ecosystem that if you make the – I believe I like humans more than I like other animals. This is my thought. I believe that we're more important to each other than animals are to us. It doesn't mean that I don't care about animals. But if you start bringing in things that are going to eat people, I'm like – Hey, this is not good for us. It's not good for us.
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We don't have to reintroduce them to places. You know, I think a better solution would be let's make sure that wherever they live naturally, their populations are fine. I think that's probably the better solution. There's been some success of reintroducing wolves into Montana, the Yellowstone reintroduction in the 1990s.
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Really interesting. They did have an overpopulation problem of undulates because bears can only eat so many of them and wolves are much more clever and they act together. And it's kind of balanced things out for now.
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Yeah. They think there's 5,000 in Texas. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, there's also other animals that are in Texas that are exotics like scimitar oryx, which is very rare in the wild and is endangered in the wild, but is so common in Texas that you can hunt them. Yeah. and they have them on these enormous ranches, 30,000, 50,000 acres, and they're wild, but they live wild.
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Yeah, it's going to be a problem. But people that live in urban areas don't understand what that problem is. This is the problem that Vancouver has. So British Columbia outlawed brown bear hunting. You can hunt black bears because people eat black bears, and you can eat brown bears as well, but most people don't.
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So they have in their mind hunting grizzly bears is in line with what they want to call trophy hunting, which is gross. You're just killing an animal so you can stuff it. It's gross. We all agree it's gross. But the reality of grizzly bears in rural areas, I have a good friend who lives in northern B.C. He lives in like a very rural area. He's like, they're fucking dangerous.
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He had to shoot one that was trying to break into his cabin from three feet away. He shot a large grizzly bear trying to get into his cabin and eat him from three feet away. Yeah. He said they're really bold now because they haven't hunted them for a few years. So if you're running into a four or five-year-old male, they don't know what it's like to be hunted.
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No one has any feelings of being nervous around human beings.
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That's my favorite unintentional comedy. Yeah. Because Werner Herzog, I think, made that movie funny on purpose.
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But it's the same thing. It's a less than extraordinary person who gets attached and addicted to extraordinary experiences. You're constantly around these. I mean, he got some incredible footage. Yeah. That guy got some amazing footage. He did some fucking hard camping. Okay, that guy was out there roughing it for a long-ass time in a tent, surrounded by monsters, living in the grizzly maze.
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Pulled it off. Pulled it off for a long time. But you knew what was going to happen. If you watch that, eventually something's going to decide to eat him, and then that's exactly what happens.
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Similar, but at least that guy's going to where they live. Yeah, of course. You know, I don't have any problem with someone deciding to do that. If you're that fucking crazy and you want to throw yourself into the system and maybe live with them for as long as it lasts. I mean, maybe it also is suicide by bear, right?
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Because that guy seemed really depressed and didn't seem like he was having a good time.
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Well, the bear ate his girlfriend after it ate him. Right. It killed him. She was trying to defend him. She was hitting it with a frying pan. Yeah, but she was, like, you know, collateral damage.
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I don't have a problem with that. If they could figure out a way to actually ensure that tigers could be kept in a 60,000 acre preserve, and you had adequate funding to where the fences were completely monitored every day to make sure that they don't get out and kill people, you're talking about a different thing.
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Also defending his life. The reality, if you understand chimpanzees, the person who had that chimpanzee is responsible. It's not this man who's defending his life. You are so vulnerable to a chimpanzee. If they decide to get after you, there's not a lot you can do. You could survive for a little bit, but it's going to tear you apart. That's just how it is.
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And if that guy is not armed and he can't protect himself, then what do you have? You have a person that gets torn apart by a chimpanzee. The idea that you can't protect yourself from someone's crazy fucking idea of harboring an animal, an enormous animal that's insanely strong and hyper-aggressive and intelligent and uncontrollable.
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But is it also harder to get people to be natural on camera and to not be performative? Sure.
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And also, before Tiger King, there's no way they could have known how big that was going to be. Oh, my God. I didn't know. No, we didn't know. No way they could have ever anticipated some bizarre, obscure documentary on people that are keeping pet cats.
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Well, like I said, you guys caught lightning in a bottle. It was the perfect timing of people being locked in during the pandemic. You guys were kind of the early stars of the pandemic, your show. Yeah. It was like it was also a welcome escape from the craziness that we were all experiencing. We're experiencing everyone's wearing a mask. You're keeping away from people.
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But what you're mostly getting is small enclosures of tortured animals who are fed cold meat. And that is not what they want. It's not what nature intended them. They're the cleanup crew. They're everything that has a limp, anything that's slow. They keep populations down. They make sure there's not an overpopulation problem of undulates. That's what tigers do. That's what they do in the wild.
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It's stranger than fiction and it also comes off as authentic. And as someone who's worked in reality TV, it's not reality, okay? And especially the kind of reality shows you think of as reality shows, they have all these scenarios set up. They'll edit things to make them look like different things happened because they just want you to keep them – Keep people tuned in for drama.
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So if you're following a family around, they create drama. They have scripted shit. And it feels like it, right? The thing about Tiger King and the thing about Chimp Crazy is it feels very authentic. It's crazy.
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So as they're doing it, are they like marking down like key moments? Do they have someone who's like a stenographer or something who's like marking down so you know like what to look for? Or do you at the end of the day go, that thing where she went and got her lips done, we have to have that in?
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And so all of their instincts, everything, their essence of their being – is all stifled by being captive. We were talking about giraffes, that they're the only animal that I don't have a problem with at the zoo, because they're so chill. They're so chill. Babies feed them.
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It seems like there's no other way to keep it authentic than to just shadow these people forever and then splice it down to four hours. Yeah, yeah. Which is like, you have 250-plus hours of footage? 250 days of footage.
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So are you archiving at the end of the day so you know what day this happened and what day that?
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And are you trying to form the narrative of how you're going to have the whole documentary series play out as you're doing that? No.
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When my daughters were young, we'd take them to the zoo, and you could hold a piece of lettuce, and the giraffe with his giant fucking head that's as big as his table would come over and gently take the lettuce with their tongue, and we're so confident that they have no aggression towards people, that we allow little babies to feed giraffes. Giraffes don't seem to have a problem at the zoo.
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Well, I mean, doing what kind of things?
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Well, I think with reality TV, it was pretty simple. I could see how it started. It was people that were involved in scripted shows. And then scripted shows somewhere around the early 2000s got decimated by reality shows. And so these people who were already...
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respected television producers they made their way into reality television and then they realized some of these people are pretty fucking boring most of the time we don't have enough time to spend 250 days to film one episode of a show right which is what you guys had to do so instead what they do is they say okay today you're going to argue about what to have for lunch
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And so Bob wants Mexican food. Sally wants Chinese food. You have to figure it out, and you have to go around town and figure out where to eat, and you're eventually going to decide this. And this is the place you're going to eat. You're going to be happy. And so the whole thing is the personal dynamics, the— The relationships these people have to each other.
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And then they create drama along the way. Along the way, you're going to run into your friend from high school who's perfectly made up. Well lit with a microphone on. Whoa. So it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's not really reality, but it's also not really a drama. It's real human beings that are doing nonsense. And you feel it.
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And then there's also, like, reality shows that are on specific subjects. And those are bullshit, too.
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And then, you know, you have dating shows, which are super, super popular. Because, like, who is he going to pick? Who is she going to pick? How is this going to work? Yeah. You know, we get excited about that. Or fucking these garage shows where someone shows up at a storage unit. Well, you know, a lot of those shows, they fake it. They load up the storage unit.
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Because, yeah, so they can't be assured that this storage unit's gonna have some fucking pirate's treasure in it, right? So what do they do? They put pirates... You ruin that for them. Yeah, so they pretend that they got this at an auction. Like, who knows what's in it? Apparently the guy died in a mysterious way, and there's people looking for him. We might really be onto something.
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And then you cut to commercial. Is that gold? Cut to commercial. Cut back from commercial. Is that gold?
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A lot of the time, I'm sure it is. Or the crocodile. Some of those shows, but a lot of the ones, like, one of the more interesting things today is YouTube, right? Because YouTube, you have these small, independent people. Like, there's this guy we had on called Python Cowboy. And this guy goes out into the Everglades every day and captures pythons. Yeah. And, you know, like there's videos of him.
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He got bit by one, like really fucked up. His arm's gushing blood. He's holding on. They're enormous. There's more pythons in the Everglades than anywhere on Earth. Burmese pythons. Yeah, Burmese pythons that used to be people's pets or used to be a part of a reptile facility.
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They seem to be totally relaxed with it. But there's a lot of animals where it's nothing but torture.
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It's another thing I went down the rabbit hole last night. Nile crocodiles. I was going to the Nile crocodiles in the Everglades.
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Tell me about Nile crocodiles in the Everglades, though. Because what they were saying is they found a few, and the ones that they identified that they've captured that were definitely Nile crocodiles came from the same gene line. So they think they came from the same genetic source.
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But then there was another guy that I was watching this documentary last night, or this YouTube video rather last night, where he was saying that there's like huge crocodiles that take out cattle on the west side of Florida. No. Yeah, so he was sketching me out. He's like, 18-foot crocs killed cows.
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What's the biggest American crocodile they've ever found?
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Not that much longer, but longer. Jamie, can you find out what's the largest American alligator or American crocodile? I was under the impression that they were a smaller species than the alligators were. And definitely smaller than the rest of the crocodiles. Check me on that. That's an alligator. No, that's alligator. Monster cattle-eating alligator shot in Florida.
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Look at the size of that thing. Okay, but that's unusual. 15 feet. Oh, my goodness.
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wow look at the size of that sucker but you said earlier crocodile right american crocodile what's the largest american crocodile jamie and the largest american alligator right i think the largest american alligator was 20 feet long wow really that big that's the longest one they've ever found wow wow i love this fact check okay here we go 14 foot yeah so they're smaller yeah wait what's the largest american alligator then
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It's bigger, definitely, for sure. Is it really? Wow. Yeah, because that one that we have out there is 14 feet long. Damn.
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I think that's how I'm being with it. Yeah, okay, 19 feet, two inches.
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Well, so there's a bunch of different ones, right? And the Nile crocodiles are a different animal. Nile crocodiles regularly get to 18 feet, and there's some really interesting reports from back in the day of much larger ones. And so the question is, here's the thing about alligators and crocodiles in particular. They don't die of old age. They just keep getting older and bigger.
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And when you introduce human beings and guns into the equation, what are the people going to shoot? Well, they're going to shoot the biggest ones. So you have guns being introduced in the 1800s, and now in 2024, you can't find the really big ones. Well, one of the reasons for that is a really big one would take hundreds of years to get that big.
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So an alligator like that big fucker that they had, the cattle-eating 15-foot alligator, that guy might be 90 years old. So a crocodile that gets to 30 feet long, which is – there was reports of ones that were longer than a 38-foot boat that these guys were on. This is a long time ago, though. And so there's all this speculation.
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Were these people just freaking out because it was big and they exaggerated? Is this hyperbole? What is this?
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The other part of the speculation is, well, for sure we know crocodiles used to be bigger. There was many, many species of crocodiles that were fucking enormous. Dinosaur-eating crocodiles, huge. What is the biggest ancient crocodile that was ever discovered fossilized? I think it's like in the neighborhood of 50 plus feet long.
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Well, so my point is that like these things are so different than us that it's hard for us to even imagine. Okay, the biggest freshwater croc ever was 40 feet long.
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110 million years ago. What about saltwater?
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Is that the largest crocodile period, or is it the big ones freshwater? All right. Is that the largest, biggest crocodile fossil ever found? Okay, largest sea-dwelling one, 30 feet long. Interesting. So the 40-foot-long one was bigger. Interesting. So these ones that they—okay, super croc, massive fossilized croc discovered in the Aguila—how do you say that? Aguila?
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Aguila Formation in Big Bend National Park, 40 to 50 feet long. Jaws with six-inch teeth. Good Lord. Wow. Big bend. Good Lord. Six-inch teeth. Okay. Just imagine fucking six-inch teeth and it's 40 feet long.
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Well, I have a friend, Jim Shockey, who's actually a professional hunter that was hired to go to Africa to shoot some of these man-eating crocodiles that were taking out these people in this village. And the footage that he got of it is so disturbing because everyone in the village is missing something.
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Everyone in the village is either missing an arm or missing a leg or has a bite taken out of them. And while he was there, a woman got snatched up when she was trying to do laundry. So it's a very poor village, and these people are at the mercy of these monsters that are actively hunting them. So what they do is they...
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Yeah, like giraffes. I think giraffes is the only example.
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So if they want to do something like have a place where they can retrieve water safely, what they do is they put, like, giant poles in the ground all around. So they essentially, like, encase this area. Right. But the problem is crocodiles have figured it out. And then they go in there and then just settle in. And they just wait for you. Because they can walk around on land, obviously.
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So they go out of the water. And then they go, oh, the fuckers, they only go in this little area. How do I get in that area? And they're watching you underwater for hours without breathing.
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That's their instincts because that's how they get deer, like these little animal species.
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Fuck that. So the speculation is that there's breeding populations of those Nile crocs in the Everglades. Really? Wow. They've seen enough of them. See if you can find what's the latest. Breeding crocodile, breeding Nile crocodiles in the Everglades. They have a shoot on site order for them.
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Yeah, that's a good example, too. Solitary animals. That's a good example, too. Solitary animals, well, even just animals that just don't, they're just happy that there's no predators. Sure. And then they're relaxed. Yeah. But the last time I went to a zoo, my daughters were, they were younger animals. But not like babies. And we were in Denver. And I was there for a gig. And we went to the zoo.
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It's unclear if Nile crocodiles are breeding.
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It's unclear if they are breeding in the wild in Florida, but here's some information about Nile crocodiles and breeding in Florida. Nile crocodile first observed in Florida in the 60s. Wow. Wow. Believes they've captured all the Nile crocodiles in the area. Nile crocodiles become established before they could threaten native species. Well, that's what pythons have done.
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I mean, they might have to bring in the Nile crocs to kill the pythons.
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Yes. Well, I lived in Florida in the 70s. And when I lived in Florida, they were in danger. They were on the endangered species list. People used to feed them marshmallows. Oh, wow. Yeah, I lived in Gainesville, Florida. We used to go. And then when I was there, some lady got her dog snatched. And then everybody got kind of freaked out. Everybody in the town was like, whoa.
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Because they got way too comfortable with alligators. Because alligators, when they get used to people, they just lay around. So they would just sit on the banks. And we would go to the fucking park, like Lake Alice is where the lake is. We'd go to the park and hang out. And alligators would just be hanging out there. And I was a little kid. It was normal.
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It was normal to see alligators just sunning themselves. And they were endangered back then. And now they're not endangered at all. Now they're everywhere.
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Oh, yeah, for sure. They still do. I mean, they still breed them for skins and hunt them for skins, but now they have an overpopulation problem. So I was just curious to like, how would a crocodile farming make that happen? I don't think that, I think it's probably just a natural reaction to the fact they weren't hunted anymore. And then they just blossomed and it just took a few decades.
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And then you have enormous populations.
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Well, they were very rare because they were overhunted. They were overhunted, exactly. I mean, that's the problem. When we were talking about deer, one of the things that was established through Teddy Roosevelt and when they set up the national parks and wildlife services in this country, they had market hunting before that. And they had wiped out everything.
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There used to be elk all over 50 states. They used to be everywhere.
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Yes, exactly. And we have Rocky Mountain elk now that have been transplanted into the east. But the market hunting was a real problem. We had decimated the populations of all these things. They were just hunting deer and all these different animals and selling them for food. And oftentimes it's like bison. They would just sell their tongues.
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And, oh, man. To this day, it haunts me. There's this primate enclosure. And this one monkey was just screaming. Just screaming. Like in agony. Like being tortured. Just, ah! Just holding on to the bars and screaming because he was by himself and just this tiny little cage and there was nowhere to go and people were just staring at him all day. And he was just losing his fucking mind.
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which is really crazy because bison meat is thought to be like some of the best meat, but they were pickling their tongues and sending them back east. Wow.
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Yeah, because people killed off all the birds. There were so many passenger pigeons. They were fucking everywhere. And we killed them off for food.
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It's really complex. And the problem is people are very dug in on their sides. You know, you have people that are very dug in with the animal liberation idea. They're very dug in with PETA and veganism and dug in with anti-hunting. And then there's people that are ranchers. And then there's people that are very dug in to animals are our property.
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It's quite complicated, and it's just one of those things about being a human being, is there's nuance to most things that are important to all of us.
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And the success of wildlife is important to all of us.
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closer together with the conservation biologist groups so that they can kind of work together because you're right they're so polarized well there's also um the problem is like we were talking about with bc i didn't really finish my thought but the reason why they outlawed bear hunting in bc is because the high population centers are all urban
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So people don't have any experience with grizzly bears trying to eat their dogs or grizzly bears killing hikers. They don't experience it. If they did, they'd be terrified. It's a giant predator, and you have no chance if it catches you out in the wild. I don't think we should ever kill off all the grizzly bears, but they should control the populations.
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And the way to control the populations ethically... is you do it through hunting.
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As much as this seems counterintuitive to people that love wildlife, the right way to do it is you have informed, well-schooled biologists that really do a great job of managing the numbers that are in the area, and then you have people that spend enormous amounts of money to hunt those things, and then that money goes into maintaining the population and make sure that it's at a healthy balance.
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If there's too many bears... Infanticide in bears is common. Almost all bears are cannibals. They eat their own babies. The whole thing is mad. And if they don't have enough food or if the males come out of the – if they're hibernating and they come out before the female does with her cubs, they'll actively seek out those cubs for food.
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And they will do less of that if there's less of them and if there's more of a balance between predator and prey. And that's where it gets weird because as a person who loves nature, who are we to say you should kill a certain amount of bears and a certain amount of wolves? That seems fucked. Like we should just sort of like let it be what it is.
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enjoy it but the problem is it leaks over into this strange world that we've created and this is the reality if you want to be able to go to Starbucks if you want to be able to go outside and have a cheeseburger in an outdoor patio you can't have fucking wolves everywhere okay this is just reality and we're accustomed to this artificial enclosure that we've created to keep human being safe and we've lost our perspective in what it means to be an animal in the world
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Well, there's that, but there's also they don't give a fuck who planted that food. If you're in a village and your whole family survival is dependent upon you getting these vegetables that you've planted, and then elephants come in and eat all your vegetables, you could very easily starve to death. And that's real, too. And people don't want to think about that because you think of elephants.
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Elephants are endangered. Yes, they are. Elephants are hunted for their ivory. Yes, they were. But also elephants are Africa is fucking huge. There's not the same amount of black bears in San Francisco as there are in rural Wyoming. Right. It's because that's the environment to live. If you went to San Francisco, like, oh, my God, black bears are extinct. But, you know, go to New Jersey.
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Everywhere, right? So it's not that the animal is that, you know, you shouldn't have any of them. It's just like there should be places where they exist and places where they don't exist. And if you want to maintain a city, you're going to have to do something about the population of predators. You're going to have to do something.
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I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore. I can't. Because I felt super hypocritical because I've always had like an issue. Because it's animal prison. It's animal prison for animals that did nothing wrong.
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It's just like how far outside of your city does human control radiate? Well, then you have ranchers, right? Okay, if you want to have a guy who grows cows so you can eat steak, you're going to have to be able to protect this guy's crop or it's not going to be profitable for him to do this. You're going to have to be able to protect his animals.
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I don't mean theoretical in the sense that they haven't done it as far as what the outcome is going to be. Like you really don't know. And especially if they get to a point where they become bold and they're not threatened by people at all anymore. And that's what happens in certain parts of the country. That's what happens when they have too many of them in a specific area.
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And then they compete for resources. Yeah. It can get weird.
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Are you aware of the Sunderbands? Yeah.
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The Sunderbands are fascinating because hundreds of thousands of people have been killed by tigers over the last several hundred years. Beautiful wetland. Yeah, but also brackish water. And they think that might contribute to the aggression of the tigers. They drink salty water and they're just constantly irritated. But they seem to kill people for sport. Really?
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Yeah, there's this one story of this group of men that are in a boat, and they're rowing this boat in the water. I don't know if they're rowing it, but they're trying to get away from this tiger. This tiger jumps into the water, swims up to the boat, kills a guy, drags him to shore, jumps back in the water, swims out to the boat again, kills another guy.
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Drags him to shore and one guy gets away to safety. One or two guys got away to safety.
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They weren't. But, yeah, that's also what they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they walk around there and they do surveys of the animals. But it's also insanely difficult to find out where they are, too, because the grass is so high. And, you know, they're just built to fuck things up. That's what their job is. And if people live around them, people are on the menu. That's just what it is with tigers.
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You know, there's a reason why human beings don't live. You're not supposed to live there. You shouldn't be living where the tigers live.
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They're stuck. They're fucked. But, boy, we should figure out a way to develop some sort of an area there where they don't have to live like that.
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Right, but if you go into a place where the jungle is, like where the tigers live, it's like really hard to live there. And then the people that are living there are probably, they have no options. They're the poorest.
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And so they're living, you know, in sort of a traditional way, out exposed. And then they have to figure out how to protect themselves from these enormous stealthy cats that are sneaking around everywhere they go. Yeah. Fuck.
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I would really love to know what the origin of the sacred cow is. Really love to know the origin of that. That's one of the most fascinating things, that you have a place where people are starving and they choose not to eat cows.
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But it's so crazy that they stick to this one thing. Like, I was just watching this news report of this... group of people that were not Hindu. I think they were of some other religion and they lived in India and they got arrested for killing cows. So they had cows in their yard. They were arrested for them and they bulldozed their homes.
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I don't know. It's a good question. I don't think it's tigers. I think the Sundarbans is the area where they get jacked pretty regularly. Right. And also, how many...
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how many people are doing surveys on how many people are missing you know when you're going into these like very remote areas how many people know Indian authorities bulldogs bulldoze homes of 11 people after finding beef in fridges incredible slaughter of cows which Hindus worship as a deity is banned in most of India as is consumption of their meat isn't that fucking fascinating well you cut down an oak tree in California you're right but they're not gonna bulldoze your fucking house you know depends what kind of tree isn't that nuts
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People found beef in their fridge and cows in their backyard. So they bulldozed their homes.
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You can't get it at like a. Oh, wow. They allow it in hotels? Yeah, you can get it at a. I was just in India. Well, you can eat lamb. You can eat sheep. You can eat other different animals. You just can't eat cows. Yeah. Wow. I didn't even think of that when I was there.
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A lot of people think it has its roots in psychedelic mushrooms, that psilocybin grows on cow manure, and that these people would just... Oh, wow. Because one of the oldest... What is it? I think it's called Choctaw Hayook. It's like one of the oldest known civilizations, which was a cattle-worshiping civilization.
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But even if you have a zoo in Alaska, polar bears are the one bear that does need anything but animals. So polar bears are extraordinarily predatory, and they have hunting instincts. So all day they just want to roam and hunt.
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And they had these... Why were people who were fucking starving to death, barely getting by, why were they into worshiping cows?
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Well, that's where you got all your mushrooms. It completely makes sense. It's almost the only thing that makes sense. It's almost the only thing that you could – especially if you have like ancient stories of –
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soma and these different psychedelic compounds that the Hindus would eat and these different psychedelic notions or potions rather that were talked about where we don't really know what the composition of them was. But we do know that psilocybin mushroom has a long history of use and it's really common to find them growing on cow manure.
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Why would some poor people that don't have any food not eat this one animal?
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These people wasn't Western enough. They bulldozed their fucking house a couple of months ago.
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Yeah, I'm sure there's some of that, too. Yeah. But it's just our relationship with animals is very bizarre. And I think most people have like a really stunted relationship. understanding of it. They're never really around wild animals. It's a squirrel or a pigeon or something like that. They don't see animals. It's kind of perverse, our relationship with animals. It is.
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Well, cities, as much as I love them, they are perverse. They're strange and they've done us a lot of harm psychologically. They've created people that are much more vulnerable than they've ever been before. They're soft and lazy and entitled and everything comes easy to them. And I don't think that's normal for human beings either.
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And you can get food anywhere you want and all the worst kinds of food. and you're in a prison of your own choosing. You're going from one closed environment to another closed environment, riding around in your car or the subway or whatever you're doing, and we're completely disconnected to what it meant to be a human being for hundreds of thousands of years, and it happened in a blink of an eye.
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And I was – when I used to – I drove limos for a while, and I had this gig once in New Hampshire, and I was on my way home, and I stopped just because I had to do this job where I dropped somebody off. It was a few hours away. And on the way back, I got lunch, and I saw this zoo. So let me just check this zoo out. And I went to the zoo.
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In a couple of hundred years, all of a sudden, we're fucked. And we're trapped in this bizarre system. And in this system, you know, occasionally we interact with animals. And our understanding of it and what we think of it – what we think it is is so – and we have anthropomorphization through, like, you know, Yogi Bear and all that kind of stuff.
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And we're so weird with the way we interact with animals. And we – Every piece of it.
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We don't even know what it's like. I would imagine if you went to a city, your average city, like a New York City or Los Angeles, the average person there, what percentage of them spend any time at all alone in the woods? Very few.
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Because I like interesting things. It's really interesting. The fact that so few people engage in it is also interesting to me because I'm fascinated by the – Just whatever the pull of urban life is.
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Like, what is the gravity of urban life that's changed us into these soft, non-self-sufficient beings that is completely relying on some strange system that's ultimately polluting the world and decimating of its resources? Like, what are we? Like, we're weird. Yeah. The time I spend in the woods, in the wilderness, just being out there, you get a different sense of what life actually is.
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It's so extraordinary to see wild animals in the wild, like wild deer and elk and bears, see them existing. It's incredible. It's better than any movie. It gives you a vitamin that you didn't know you needed.
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You know, like the feeling that you get when you go out in the sun, like maybe you've been indoors in the winter and then there's a nice sunny day in the spring and everybody's outside in the park like, ah, give me my vitamins, right? Doesn't it feel like that? You're lying down like, give me my vitamins. That's what it feels like on a nice sunny day in Central Park, right?
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There's a vitamin that we get in the wilderness that we don't know we're lacking in. I think it's a part of being a person. I think it's a part of being interconnected to every life form that exists.
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It was this little shitty zoo in like somewhere in, I think it was in Massachusetts. And there was this polar bear in this tiny little enclosure just going in circles. Like he was fucking crazy. Just going in circles. Tiny little enclosure. And I was like, what is, why is this okay? Like what is this? This is not a life. This is terrible. It's terrible.
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Where wherever we are and we don't think we are because we live in an apartment and we play Nintendo and we you know We're locked into this thing that human beings have created, but we're missing something and it's not as Extreme as Tonka being trapped in that lady's basement, but it's in the neighborhood. There's something about it It's real similar. There's something about it.
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That's real weird where we're Our own prison of our own choosing is not good for us.
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I'm not shocked. I do have a question, though, really important. The chimp with the McNuggets, chicken nuggets, does he open up the sauce and dip?
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Well, in that case, I think he just went like this.
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But do they dig in with the nugget and get it in the honey mustard sauce?
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Like, is he going to dip? And then it cut away. We don't know. Is he fucking dipping?
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They know too much. Like, just the communication. Get that piece of paper. And he gets the paper and brings it back. Yeah.
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they knew too much it's too creepy it's too it's it's so weird i mean you guys did an amazing job of capturing it and thank god you found that one nutty lady because she really glues it all together but everybody everybody should watch it it's it's really good and everybody should watch it also because you have to know that that's a thing like you you know
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You don't know what people are really capable of until you watch a serial killer documentary and you go, oh, Jesus Christ, that's a thing? So you don't know that people are keeping chimps in their house until you watch your show and you go, oh, that's a thing?
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Yeah, if you give people free license to do it, it's one of the great things about being an American. You have so many freedoms. There's so many things you could do. But it's also like at a certain point in time, we got to wake up and go, hey, putting a dolphin in a fucking swimming pool is evil.
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You know, and one day when AI can transcribe dolphin communication, we're going to probably realize they're as smart as us. And that's where it gets really, really, really scary is that we have been engaging in a form of indentured slavery. We've captured them. We've raised them from child from the time they're a baby. They've been in captivity. The whole thing is completely disgusting.
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And yet it's a normal part of life. And until blackfish, most people weren't even aware that it was a thing or what it actually was. When you see orcas behave in the wild versus the way you see them trapped in those swimming pools, it's torturous. Their skin's falling off and the whole thing.
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Well, it certainly is numerically. Yeah. And also just the impact we have overall. We're a sketchy group. But we know more about us because of stuff like what you guys have done. So thank you very much.
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It was really fun talking to you. And did HBO fund this or did you guys bring it to HBO after it was done?
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My pleasure. You guys nailed it twice. Chimp Crazy is really good. And, of course, Tiger King was awesome, too. And what I said, I really mean. I think you guys are doing something that's you're giving us a better understanding of humans.
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You know, through this very strange lens of watching these very bizarre people and their psychological misfortunes, like whatever it is about them, whatever unfortunate aspect of their their their mind, the way they interface with the world allows them to do that. It gives us a better understanding of ourselves. I really think so.
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I will. I will. I was just bummed out last night. Thank you very much, guys. Thanks so much. Bye, everybody. Bye.