Coco Kahn

And I'm Coco Kahn.

That is a great reference for our Gen Z listeners.

Are they going to get that?

Right, of course.

So at the same time, when we're talking about Trump, we should mention that he's currently insisting that the war has already been won by the US.

It's enough to make you doubt everything the man says, isn't it?

But luckily, we're joined by the comedian Stuart Lee because someone's got to help us work out what Trump is thinking.

So we can't wait to dig into all the week's bigger stories with him.

Even by his standards, Trump is all over the place.

According to one report from the substack Gold and Geopolitics, during a 40-minute press conference, he claimed victory twice, said he wanted a ceasefire twice, said he was sending in Marines, but then said there'd be no boots on the ground.

He also denied there was a war, but claimed Iran was begging for a ceasefire and insisted the Strait of Hormuz was open before demanding that Iran reopen it.

So as politics and comedy collide in ways which we as a news and comedy podcast will be all over, it's great to be joined by the comedian Stuart Lee.

Stuart, it's a cliche to say people need no introduction.

It's probably because there's just too much to say.

But one of your newer job titles is opinion column writer for The Nerve.

So we want to talk to you more about that in detail.

But first, welcome.

One of the things I thought about watching that clip, and I don't want to presume the politics of everyone involved with the making of it, but...

I would imagine that they're not massive fans of Donald Trump.

And it's a strange thing that when you participate in the kind of national conversation for someone that you probably would regard as worse, kind of taking joy from it and being gleeful about it.