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We talked a little bit about this earlier, that Kevin Jong was just an absolutely remarkable human being. So much so that we almost I don't think we could put everything in the hour, you know, dedicated to his studies and dedicated to his military endeavors. He was just sort of dedicated to being a good human.

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They can go any way that they want. And then they take these divergent paths in life. They're almost like two sides of the same coin. But your crime reporter mind was drawn to this case in sort of a different way. How did you approach it?

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And that was very rare. And, you know, we talked earlier about the two families here. In the show, you see the virtual vigil and Kevin's dad is speaking and he is by far the most emotional out of everyone that you see. And here's what people don't know is that Kevin comes from a divorced family.

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And one of the things that we learned from Kevin's friends is that Kevin and his dad had not been very close for a number of years. And they had actually started to rekindle that relationship. And in fact, he went to go visit his dad with Zion and they were rebuilding those connections.

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And so to have his son ripped away from him at such a crucial time, it just sort of adds to the sadness of this whole thing.

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It's just an incredible waste and an incredibly heartbreaking case. But I have to tell you, Murray, it was also a very complicated story to tell. And the way you weaved all the elements together, I thought was just exceptional. And it was fantastic working with you. Thank you very much.

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Well, I want to thank everyone for listening to this hour. Listen, if you like this series, Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts. You can follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts. And you can also listen ad-free with a 48 Hours plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks again for listening.

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Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder.

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Indeed. And, you know, as we reveal in the story, what really broke the case open was when investigators discovered that there actually was a connection between Pan and Kevin. But it was not a very obvious one at all. They searched Pan's Facebook account and they found that he was connected online. to Kevin's fiance, Zion Perry, who also attended MIT.

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Investigators told us that Pan first met Zion through this Christian group at MIT, you know, like a social group. But their interactions were kind of fleeting.

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Right. And Pan was never more than an acquaintance to Zion. There was no romance between them. She had no idea that he was even interested in her.

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And we just want to remind people that it's never been determined that Zion was actually the motivation for this murder. We still don't know why Pan did what he did. And we did try to talk to Zion as well, but she declined.

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So let's actually get into that because the level of premeditation for this is astounding to me. These shootings that happened before Kevin's murder, in order to do them, Pan used different vehicles.

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He was able to get test drives from these dealerships, which I thought was so interesting because, I mean, I haven't gone out to test drive a vehicle in a while, but usually the salesperson comes with you. He was able to grab these vehicles, disappear for a few hours, and then come back. There are a few other details that we didn't really get to in the hour, according to U.S. Marshals.

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When he would go to these dealerships, he would ask a series of curious questions. He would recline in the seats to see if he could lie down. And investigators speculated that he was scoping out these cars to see if he could actually hide in them.

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Welcome to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're actually discussing a case that I reported on with 48 Hours producer Marie Weiss. It's about the murder of Kevin Zhang and the incredible investigative work done by multiple law enforcement agencies, including the U.S. Marshals, to find his killer. Marie, it's always good to see you.

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But here's the thing, you know, there's an incredible amount of planning for this. But the one thing it seems like Penn doesn't plan for very well is how to get away. And that's what really jams him up. You know, he tries to flee the scene, but he ends up in a scrap metal yard and he is stopped by law enforcement there.

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And we should point out that, in fact, the murder weapon was never found. And that Sergeant Mills that you see in the hour, this guy is like a dedicated officer, man. And he went back to that scrap metal yard several times looking for this gun.

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So he went back on his own time to look for this weapon, you know, in that yard and it was just never found. And I will point out one more thing about his encounter with Pan. It didn't rise to the level of particular concern for him.

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So let's talk a little bit more about Sergeant Mills. I see him as kind of a cop's cop. The guy's really dedicated to his job. And in fact, on the day that he got the call to go to the Arby's, it was like he was working a half day. He was going to go coach hockey. But he gets this call to go to the Arby's to investigate the gun and the ammunition that was left in the parking lot and

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Thanks for joining me to break down this case.

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So as usual, a reminder to everyone, if you haven't listened to this 48 Hours episode yet, you can find the full audio version just below this episode in your podcast feed. So go take a listen and then come on back so we can talk about this. All right, Murray. So this case has so many layers to it, but there were different narratives, I think, that jumped out to both of us.

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Welcome back. So when the U.S. Marshal gets involved in this case, they knew that King Chin Pan was on the run. He's very smart. He's tech savvy. So their sort of first order was to kind of get into his mind, figure out who this guy is.

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One of the things that the marshal said to us is that Pan thought he was the smartest guy in the room. And when they spoke to someone who he had interviewed with for, I think it was a coding job, That guy said, yeah, you know, he's really smart. He's an MIT guy. But, you know, his coding actually wasn't as good as he thought it would be.

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So he's a smart guy, but maybe he thought he was smarter than he actually was.

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U.S. marshals actually finally tracked down Pan by tracing a phone call made to him from his mom. She used the phone of a hotel clerk.

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And I just want to sort of reinforce that Pan's parents, they were never charged with anything in connection with Kevin's murder or Pan being on the run or anything along those lines. Correct. But speaking of a team, we're talking about 20 people. were sent to arrest Pan. Matthew Duffy, supervisor of the U.S. Marshals Violent Fugitive Task Force in Connecticut, called this team a small army.

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That seems like a lot.

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Well, it worked. They got their man and no one was hurt in the process.

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You know, you're a longtime New York City crime reporter. You've, you know, gone after mobsters and you name it. And I was really fascinated by the characters, if you will. Here you have two young men. They're the only sons in their family, only children. They are incredibly talented and bright. They get into these prestigious universities. I mean, the world is kind of like their oyster.

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He did. Yeah, totally. So there are still a number of unanswered questions here. Right. And one of them is, you know, why? Why did this happen? And we attempted to actually talk to Penn and ask him that question. Right.

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It didn't work out for us, though.

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So that question remains unanswered, at least at this point.

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So Penn initially pled not guilty and was sticking to that for quite a while. Eventually, though, there was a tremendous amount of evidence. He agreed to plead guilty. In the hour, we see some of his statement at sentencing, but we want to play an extended clip for you. That's it.

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Post Mortem | TV Bailiff Spivey on Trial

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So go take a listen to it and then come on back and we will talk. All right. What I think was really interesting about this episode is just how much security video you had from inside the home. I've always wondered who these people are that just run security cameras in their home all the time, in the kitchen of all places.

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The jury deliberated for 12 hours over two days, found Renard Spivey not guilty. Well, it certainly surprised me, only because it doesn't often happen on 48 Hours. Do you expect that viewers were also surprised?

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I mean, I thought to myself, I'm going to take a look at how many other cases this particular type of gun is involved in, because it seems like a particularly dangerous design. If you're trained and he would have been, perhaps you can handle it. But I would think there's a lot of people who can't handle a gun like that. Yes.

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Wow. So you spoke to Renard's twin sister, Renee, and she said there are really no winners at all in this case. Renard's life will never be the same. Patricia, of course, lost her life. What was it like talking to Patricia's family and how are they coping, considering not only are they dealing with the loss of Patricia, but also this case did not turn out the way they believed it should have?

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So because of this, we can actually hear the shooting, but we don't see the shooting. Patricia's family, they believe that she was murdered, but Renard said that it was an accident. Was it a challenge for you all to make sure that you presented both sides of the story?

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Well, you know, you always wonder why people are willing to talk to us here at 48 Hours. And I hope in her case it was therapeutic, that this is the beginning of some sort of journey towards healing for her. But I was quite struck by the fact that she was caught off guard, that there were tears. And then what about Renard?

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We'll see what happens. It was a really well-told hour. You guys did an excellent job. And thanks for joining us.

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And so you guys really studied the surveillance footage really closely. I know what sort of struck me, which has nothing necessarily to do with the case, was just how ordinary it seemed like the hours leading up to this were, you know, going to the fridge, grabbing a drink. It's like very ordinary. What was unusual about the footage leading up to the shooting?

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But this is one of my the challenge that I had with his story is that it just seemed like there wasn't a lot of time. We see him go out to the kitchen to say goodnight to her. Then he according to him, he's sort of rebuffed and he goes back in and he says he waited for her to fall asleep. It just didn't seem like enough time had gone by.

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Right. You can see why that would raise a little bit of suspicion. And then the surveillance cameras, they also catch moments after the shooting when Renard has called 911. We see him take a break from CPR to unlock the garage door. I want to play a clip of that 911 call. It wasn't part of the show, so this is new for people. When the operator hears his home security system disarming.

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Welcome. Thank you, Anne-Marie. Good to be with you. Thanks for having us. So I should point out to everyone that we're actually recording this at a pretty high stress time. For you, Natalie, there are several wildfires burning out of control in the Los Angeles area and not too far from where you are, Natalie.

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Yeah, that makes sense why he would be sort of groaning as much as he is because he's shot in the leg and now he's trying to walk, you know, to the garage. This is what I'll say. I kind of went back and forth. And part of the reason why I went back and forth is because I actually found him very believable. Have you interviewed people who've been accused of murder before?

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And was he sort of any different or the same or what jumped out at you guys? He genuinely...

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Welcome back. Let us dig into some of the evidence in this case. The trigger of the gun that we used to fatally shoot Patricia, it was never swabbed for DNA. Why not?

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Yeah, I can definitely see that. So it was still unclear the amount of times that Patricia was shot.

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Well, we're glad you're safe. And let's cross our fingers that this gets under control and everyone else remains safe as well. Thank you. Just a reminder for everyone, you know, I say this every time. If you have not watched the episode yet, this episode of 48 Hours, you can find the full audio version of it just below this episode in your podcast feed.

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So I want to talk about another person you interviewed, Patricia's friend, Ezra. He took the stand, had pretty damning testimony about their relationship, but also Renard. He told you in an interview that he had multiple phone conversations with Renard in the hours before the shooting and that Renard admitted to taking steroids and said that Patricia wanted a divorce.

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But at trial, the prosecutor did not present phone records to prove this. How did Ezra's testimony hold up at trial?

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we are discussing the case of Patricia Spivey, whose husband, Renard, is a former sheriff's deputy. He was also known for playing a bailiff on TV. He was charged in 2019 with murdering Patricia in the home that they built together. So joining me now is CBS News correspondent Natalie Morales and 48 Hours producer Asena Bashak.

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So Ezra was the only one that I am aware of that spoke about steroid use. But when you talk to her cousin and to her daughter, did they also indicate that, you know, there were problems in the relationship to this degree?

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Post Mortem | The Perplexing Death of Susann Sills

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The doctor is already there. So we heard some portions of the 911 call that he made on that morning, Sunday, November 13th, 2016. We want to play some of it because there are a few points that really jumped out at me right away.

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Yeah, he's a wee bit rusty, I guess, in the wooing department, but it almost sounds like something that was written by ChatGPT. There's something, I don't know how to explain it, somewhat sort of oddly mechanical about it.

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Just to remind everyone, this letter comes two weeks after his wife dies. So the jury deliberates and the big question is not only if they're going to find him guilty, but if they will find him guilty of first degree or second degree murder. So first off, can we kind of explain what the difference is?

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After about three hours, the jury came back with a verdict and they find him not guilty of first-degree murder, but guilty of second-degree murder. Were you surprised by this decision?

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The sentencing is about three months after the verdict. And we hear from a couple of members of Suzanne's family, including her daughter, Mary Catherine, who still believes in her father's innocence. And, you know, this murder would have had to be occurring while both of his children are just upstairs sleeping. Right. It takes a certain type of person to do that.

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Mary Catherine does not believe that her father is that type of person. Here's some of what she had to say.

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My heart was breaking for her. What I heard was a young woman just trying to hang on to anything, a wisp of the life she had before this nightmare began. And if it's just a little bit of her father, then she wants it.

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Yeah. Clearly we know where Mary Catherine stands on this, but what about her brother, her twin brother? Do we know anything about, you know, how he feels about his dad and how he feels about what happened?

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Dr. Sills received the mandatory sentence under California law for second-degree murder, which is 15 years to life. Would his sentence be different if it had been a first-degree murder, guilty murder?

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Yeah, it's true. 15 years doesn't seem like much. Suzanne's mother, Teresa, also gave a statement at sentencing about the loss of her daughter. What was it like to listen to her talk about the kind of person her daughter was?

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Tracy, Diane, this has been fantastic. The final 48 hours for the season. Thank you. Thanks, Anne-Marie. All right, and thank you to our listeners for tuning in to this season of Postmortem. We have one more special episode coming up next week, and then we'll be back for a new season of 48 Hours in September.

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But keep your eye on the 48 Hours Podcast feed this summer for more classic 48 Hours episodes and perhaps... Vielen Dank fürs Zuhören.

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Why is he acting like he doesn't know CPR? He's a doctor.

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But then he also calls her the patient.

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So, a year after Suzanne's death, the coroner's office finally cited her cause of death as ligature strangulation and the manner a homicide. Out of curiosity, why did it take a year to come to a conclusion? Or is that a standard...

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Hallo und willkommen zu Postmortem. Ich bin deine Hostin Anne-Marie Green und heute sprechen wir über den Fall von Suzanne Sills, die am Boden eines Steckkastens in ihrer Orange County, Kalifornien, gestorben wurde. Sein Mann, ein renowneder Fertilitätschirurg, sagt, dass sie gestorben ist und dass ihr Tod ein Unfall war. But later, he's charged with her murder.

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At trial in November of 2023, the defense made the argument that the ligature marks could have been made by Sills' two dogs pulling at the scarf around Suzanne's neck after she'd already fallen down the stairs. How did that argument stand up at trial? I know they showed pictures of the dogs playing tug of war. I don't know if you guys are pet people. I think...

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Anyone who has had a dog knows they play tug of war. But I don't know with your scarf around your neck.

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There was also the fact that, you know, there was no damage on the stairs from Suzanne falling. You would think that there would be some scuffs, something. How did the defense explain that?

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Und dann, you know, Tracy, when you spoke to Jack earlier, he sort of gave a little more insight into what he thought happened.

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So joining me now to discuss the final episode of this season are 48-Hours-Correspondent Tracy Smith and producer Gayan Kashishian-Mendez. Tracy, Gayan, thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having us. Thank you. All right, everyone, before we dive in. A quick reminder for our listeners to go first and watch or listen to this episode. The title is The Puzzling Death of Suzanne Sills.

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Did they present any of that at trial? I mean...

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Yes. So he was sort of asking the jury to disregard the coroner's report and to find a different cause of death.

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All right. So let us talk about the motive, because it seems like the prosecution really didn't have a clear explanation for why Dr. Sills would want to murder his wife.

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Let us talk about this, because I found the whole thing just really odd. But let's just start with, because I'd never heard of Patrick.net. Can you just sort of explain what Patrick.net is?

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Ist das etwas, was sie mit ihrem Mann darüber argumentiert hat, ihre Partizipation auf diesem Ort?

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You can find the full audio just below this episode in your podcast feed. So go listen if you haven't already and then come join us for our conversation. All right, here we go. So there's something really unusual about this case. It's that Suzanne's husband is a doctor. And you would imagine that if you're going to have an accident at home and fall down your stairs, this is the best case scenario.

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Okay, let's talk about that Patrick.net post that Suzanne made. This photo, this topless photo.

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So in the photo, though, you notice both of Suzanne's hands are partially visible. It might have been taken using a self-timer, but do we have any idea who actually took this photo?

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Welcome back. So, another possible motive that investigators explored was a one-time relationship Sills had with a woman named Marie Dalton. Now, she was a former nurse that he met online while he was still married to Suzanne. I want to play a clip that we didn't get to put in the hour of Marie's conversation with police after Suzanne died.

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're looking at the case of Melissa Koyuzinski. She was a daycare worker who was convicted of murder in 2009 in the death of a 16-month-old baby boy, Benjamin Kingen. Now, Melissa remains in prison, and she's already served 16 of the 31-year sentence that she received. But she's long insisted that she is innocent.

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So there's that. Do we know ultimately why it was shut down?

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The latest hour is 48, fourth installment on Melissa's case. And I know that your team will continue to follow with all kinds of updates, but where are we now in this case? What are the next steps?

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Absolutely. I thought it was really important to show Benjamin's family. This was devastating for everyone that loved him. And you also obviously talked to Melissa's parents, and they have worked tirelessly to free their daughter. And they actually have her bedroom exactly the same way that it was. What was it like speaking to them and visiting that bedroom?

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Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's a great hour and I know you guys are going to stay on this case. I'm curious to see how things continue to develop and unfold as this case moves forward. So, Stephanie, Erin, thank you very much. Thank you. Honestly, thank you for letting us talk about this.

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So, in fact, in the hour, we see a portion of this very long, intense police interrogation. Melissa repeatedly claims, and we're talking about more than 60 times, that she did not hurt Benjamin. But then after nine hours, she admits to throwing him forcefully on the floor. So I want to play an extended clip of that interrogation.

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Well, so let me ask you about the attorney. And I once again was hearing Erin's voice in my head. She always says, no matter what, ask for an attorney, innocent or otherwise, always ask for an attorney first. And it seems like, you know, Melissa's parents clearly are very, very invested and were very involved. At this point, do you know if anyone intervened?

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So today joining me is 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty, who has been reporting on this case for more than a decade, and producer Stephanie Slipher, who also worked on this case with us. Welcome, ladies. We love being here.

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Right. Stephanie, you brought up the x-rays because that was the other, oh my gosh, kind of component to this hour. Big part of the case, these x-rays that were given to Melissa's original defense attorney, Paul DeLuca, before the start of the trial. In 2015, and we're talking about four years after the conviction, Melissa's father says that he

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He got a mysterious anonymous phone call telling him that there were clearer x-rays and that these x-rays were actually at the coroner's office and that they were never turned over to the defense. Then in 2016, Dr. Robert Zimmerman, who is a pediatric neuroradiologist, testifies at an evidentiary hearing that those x-rays show no skull fracture at all. This is a bombshell revelation.

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I am curious, has the person who is behind that anonymous phone call, has that person ever been identified?

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So Aaron, you asked Paul Foreman whether or not he was the one. Let's play that sound.

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I mean, knowing everything that we know, right, that there were actually clearer x-rays. Can you feel confident in the verdict from this trial?

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And Stephanie, I want to thank you because I know you're feeling a little under the weather and you still made it in for this podcast. So I really, really appreciate it.

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And remember, if you haven't listened to this episode of 48 Hours yet, you can go find it. You can find the full audio just below this episode in your podcast feed. So go take a listen and then come on back so we can talk about this case. All right. So, Aaron, 48 Hours first began reporting on Melissa's case in 2014.

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Welcome back. So police quickly focused on Melissa Kawizinski. But another woman named Brenda came up in police interviews with Melissa's co-workers. One of those daycare workers told police that months prior to Benjamin's death, she heard that he had thrown his head back in a crib while Brenda was putting him down. And then the next day, Brenda quit. The defense could not track her down.

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But incredibly, 48 hours did. Your team did. Stephanie did. Stephanie, how did you find Brenda and how did you convince her to sit down?

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And I guess we should remind everyone that Brenda, despite what the other co-workers had said, that Brenda was never charged with anything.

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Right. And I think it was a good opportunity for her because because her name is being bounced around, at least by the co-workers, to say this is what I remember. And I don't remember anything happening.

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That's about five years after Benjamin's death and almost three years after Melissa was actually convicted of his murder. When you first interviewed Melissa, was there anything that stood out to you about her? What were your impressions of her?

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The daycare where Melissa and Brenda worked was actually shut down by state authorities. This is shortly after Benjamin's death. I'm wondering, were there any further investigations? Did anyone look into whether or not there had been other problems at this daycare?

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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What about Angela's family? How are they doing?

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What should have happened with this case?

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Very well said. As you guys know, we talk about justice. There's never really sort of justice in a case like this. But people should know that there are a ton of resources out there. Everyone should know about the National Domestic Violence Hotline. And if you go to their website, if you call the number 800-799-7233, there are all sorts of options available for you.

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So you do not have to live in terror. Jonathan and Meena, I want to thank you guys so much.

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Indeed. Absolutely. You know, I wanted to try to understand this case sort of in a greater context. And so I kind of dug into the statistics about these types of protective orders, these orders to stay away from the victim. And one of the things that I found is it's really hard to get solid information. A lot of the information about domestic violence is old.

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I think the kind of overwhelming conclusion though about these types of orders is that they can be very effective if they're enforced. I'm sure this came up in your reporting as you were talking to people. How did they feel about the weight of these types of protective orders?

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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After the murder trial, Angela's family filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Bellevue, as well as three police officers for what they say was inaction and indifference by not arresting Christopher Pritchard sooner. So joining me today to talk about this, to dig in a little bit more, is CBS News correspondent Jonathan Vigliotti and 48 Hours producer Meade Stone. Welcome, guys.

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You know, sometimes victims of domestic violence, they have been alienated from their support system or they are embarrassed to share what they're going through. This is not the case with Angela. Her family is very supportive. You know, they basically become like protective detail. Her sister, Wendy, is her shadow. This must have had a tremendous impact on the family.

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The thing is that Chris Pritchard was not always like this. Relationships don't typically start off like this, right? In fact, Wendy... liked him. Wendy introduced him to her sister. But then he starts to take this kind of downward spiral. And we learn in the hour that it seems to begin once he is brought up on charges, accused of stealing from his employer. It's $36,000.

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So it's not a little bit. But can you tell me a little bit more about that case?

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Too much. was expected and put on Angela to protect herself. And ultimately, in the end, it is her who identifies the suspect, right? Chris shows up with a gun at her workplace. We want to play that 911 call, but we just want to warn you that this is disturbing to listen to. Please. Hello?

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So a reminder to everyone, as usual, if you haven't already listened to the 48 Hours episode, the audio version of it, you can find it in your podcast feed right above this one. So go listen and then come on back so we can talk about it. All right. So I think what is particularly tragic about this case, guys, is that it really, really seemed preventable.

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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Welcome back. So I want to talk a little bit more about why police were convinced that this wasn't an accident.

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He takes off into the woods. But news of this spreads like wildfire because Bellevue's a small town. So then he shows up at a friend's house. Yeah. He shows up at Jeff Junk and his girlfriend, Kim Klein. They're at home. They already know what's going on. And... They just completely play it cool. And they invite him in and he has a drink. You spoke to them. I mean, what was this like for them?

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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It seemed like Angela really did all the things that you're supposed to do. She endured months of domestic violence. And then Angela Pritchard obtained a no contact order against Chris Pritchard, meaning that if there was any contact that he made with her, It could result in a mandatory arrest. Here's the question. If Angela's no contact order had been enforced in a better way,

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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Right. He pleads not guilty to first degree murder and robbery charges. In February of 2024, a jury took less than an hour to find him guilty of both charges. And then about a month later, he is sentenced to life in prison without parole. But the hour does not end there.

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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Welcome back to another episode of Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green, and today we are discussing the case of Angela Pritchard, who was shot dead by her estranged husband in 2022 following weeks of stalking and harassment, all of which she reported to the local police in Bellevue, Iowa.

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Post Mortem | Could Angela Prichard Have Been Saved?

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There is a second court case in this hour, which is very fascinating to me, a federal lawsuit that civil rights attorney David O'Brien, who we mentioned a little bit earlier, filed against the city of Bellevue and three of the officers who work for the city, work for the police department there, for failure to arrest Chris Pritchard leading up to Angela's murder.

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At the end of the hour, though, we learn that the judge overseeing this case dismisses it. Can you tell us a little bit more about why this case was dismissed?

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're going to be discussing the case of Justine Vandershoot, who in 2003 went missing from her parents' home in Auburn, California. Now, law enforcement quickly suspected Justine's boyfriend and his roommate. With me here to discuss this case is 48 Hours correspondent, Natalie Morales, and producer, Guyane Kachetian-Mendez.

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It really made me kind of question myself. Have I had these conversations with my daughter? Should I? What's the language I should be using? I just, and I thought, you know, it's not a conversation that my mom ever had with me about toxic relationships and red flags, but it may be time to have. that conversation.

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Absolutely. And it absolutely will. Natalie, Diane, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. If you like this series, Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts and follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts. You can also listen ad-free with the 48 Hours Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks again for listening.

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And I learned something about you, Natalie. I did not know that you were an equestrian yourself. And the horses are pretty interesting as well.

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When I saw kind of the image of the debris, I thought, is that a mattress? What is that? And then I thought, how do you even get stuff out there? You know, what was this place like back then?

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So let's talk about the suspects because police, you know, identify them pretty quickly. Danny Besimer and Brandon Fernandez. It's not uncommon for investigators to look immediately to a boyfriend or a partner. A little less common for them to also suspect the roommate. Right. You know, tell me about these two guys.

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Thank you so much for joining us again, ladies. Good to be with you, Anne-Marie. Thanks for having us. So listen, as usual, everyone, a reminder to you that if you haven't listened to this 48 hours episode, you can certainly find the full audio version just below this episode in your podcast feed.

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A fascination with violence. Have they been in trouble with the law before? Because that is quite a leap to go from having a fascination with murder and actually committing one.

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So initially, Danny and Brandon say they're each other's alibis, right? And that doesn't work out for them. So then Danny claims that Brandon was the mastermind of Justine's murder. And Brandon claimed that he had just participated in the cleanup and, you know, the cover up in the weeks afterwards. So let's talk about this four and a half hour interrogation between Brandon and the FBI.

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So go take a listen or go watch it wherever you get your 48 hours and then come on back for this conversation. You start the hour with a conversation with Matt Scribner. He's the equestrian who had actually first spotted, first a freshly dug hole in the ground, and later he goes back and it looks a lot different. You're on horseback. And I think that's something that maybe...

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First, he says he saw Justine after she was dead. And then he describes her breathing, which would indicate that she was actually alive as she was breathing. So he must have seen her while she was alive as well. And then at the end of this interrogation, he writes one letter to Justine and one letter to her parents and reads it to investigators. Did not make it into the hour.

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I want to play some of that right now.

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What did the FBI agents who interrogated him think?

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Welcome back, everyone. Danny Besimer and Brandon Fernandez ultimately took plea deals, and they're currently serving life sentences in prison. What was it like for Justine's family to realize that this young man... that they welcomed into their home. It was nothing like who he had presented himself to be to them.

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You guys use a lot of the local news coverage from when she initially was missing. I thought it was so unnerving because you see him, right? You see Danny, uh, And we've seen this before, you know, appealing to the cameras for help. But he's not just doing that. He's trying to throw investigators off. And he does it flawlessly. He doesn't look nervous.

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might be missed, is that this is an area that's actually kind of hard to get to.

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But that is the argument that Brandon Fernandez is still using, that his sentence should be adjusted, which brings us to sort of the other part of this hour, right? A change in the law. You mentioned the hour. In 2018, the California law was changed to reduce the fault of defendants who didn't actually commit the murder. Let's just explain, you know, the change in the law.

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Post Mortem | Justine’s Voice

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And so as a result, the Vandershoots have had to kind of like reopen this wound over and over and over again.

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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Oh, yes. Maybe they didn't think they could get a conviction on an attempted murder charge, but they did get a deal. Rob Metzer was offered a plea deal and he accepted it. So they didn't have to go through a trial. And he got a pretty hefty sentence, right? 25 years in prison with an additional 45 years of probation.

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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25 years is a long time, but he's still going to be, you know, a middle-aged man when he gets out. Is Morgan concerned about her safety? I asked her sort of just how she's feeling, you know.

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It seems that way. Yes. Did she talk about what kind of father he was? She did say during the interview that he was a good father. The thing with these cases is there's never a good answer to why. But why would you mess up that relationship as well?

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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Absolutely. Absolutely. So one of the things that you managed to do is you actually interviewed Rod's mom. And I want to talk a little bit more about that. I'm curious if the kids have a relationship with his family.

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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I'm not sure. Yeah, because she would have known Morgan all this time, too, since Morgan was 14. It's got to be heartbreaking. I'm glad she spoke, because I think often when we see cases like this, you do think, well, what kind of family did that person come from? And it's clear that she loves her son. Why do you think she spoke to 48 Hours? What did she want to get across?

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're discussing the case of Morgan Metzer, who was assaulted in her home by an intruder. But incredibly, she survived to tell the story. And she also brought justice to her assailant. So joining me today is CBS News correspondent Nikki Batiste and associate producer Mike Loftus. Welcome, guys. Thanks for having us.

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Boy, she's been through a lot.

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Morgan is incredibly courageous telling this story. She does not have to do this. I'm sure she wants to go on with her life. How is Morgan doing right now?

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I mean, I could really see her doing it because I thought to myself in the interviews with you that she looks remarkably well for someone who has gone through such trauma. And I think what I saw was strength.

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Exactly. It's a good reminder. Do not ignore the little red flags because they can become big red flags. And in this case, she's really lucky to be alive. Very lucky to be alive. Yeah. Well, thank you, both of you, for helping her tell her story. And it's always great having you guys here. Thanks. Thanks, Emery. Thanks. Thanks for having us.

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And remember, if you haven't listened to the 48 Hours episode yet, you can find the full audio version just below this episode in your podcast feed. So go ahead and take a listen and then come on back for the conversation. Morgan and Rod Metzer, they are childhood sweethearts. They meet when she's 14.

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He is 17, which I thought was a little old because, you know, at that age, that's quite an age gap. But nonetheless, they fall in love. They date for quite a long time. They get married when they're in their early 20s and then they have twins. But then Morgan said Rod starts to become abusive and Morgan falls for divorce.

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And then weeks after the divorce was finalized, Rod says to her, I have pancreatic cancer. And then we find out in the hour that he lied about pancreatic cancer. Who lies about that? Did Morgan think that he faked the cancer diagnosis in order to persuade her to get back together with him?

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I mean, cancer, and particularly pancreatic cancer, is a tough, tough battle. I don't know... If he had like a long term plan, I don't think it's easy to sort of fake pancreatic cancer treatment. You're going to look sick. You're going to be tired.

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Yeah, his searches were like a treasure trove, as we learn as the hour sort of unfolds. So this case is particularly different. For 48 hours... Not only because Morgan survived, but also because she details how much Rod was gaslighting her. Can we talk a little bit more about gaslighting and what was Morgan experiencing?

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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Well, when I think about the fact that they met when she was just 14, and I know he was a teenager as well, you know, you sort of have to take into account that they have grown up together. And so she's... gone from being a young teen to an adult woman with this person influencing her the whole time, for better or for worse.

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And so I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, what we hear in the hour are some pretty egregious examples of gaslighting, but I'm sure there were probably little things happening all along, you know, over the years that maybe she did pick up on, maybe she didn't, maybe she just got used to. Yes, I think she has told us that

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Wow. All right. So let's go to the night of the attack. It's New Year's Eve of 2020. Morgan was sleeping in her bed. But then she wakes up in the middle of the night and there's a figure standing in her door. And according to Morgan, he had a voice like Batman. Ron starts beating her and then he ties her hands with zip ties before sexually assaulting her. Morgan said he strangles her twice.

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until she nearly passed out during the attack. And after this sort of mystery intruder left, Morgan's ex-husband, Rod, then shows up. He calls 911. I want to play an extended clip of the 911 call that wasn't in the show.

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Oh, see, I did not pick up on that. But that totally makes sense. You know, name and address and the condition, what help she needs. That's the sort of stuff you would be talking about.

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Fascinating. Bad move. Yeah. One of many, it turns out, as the hour unfolds. In the hour, Morgan said that she suspected the intruder actually could be her ex-husband when he picked her up. And she said it really felt familiar because he had done that before when she was pregnant. But was that the first time that she suspected it could be Rod?

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Because the thing about this assault that struck me is that it was really violent. You know, we've seen cases where people have sort of done something similar, you know, pretended to be an intruder. But typically, if the victim is someone they care about, they're not that violent, right?

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I mean, he could have killed her. I couldn't quite figure out how he thought this was going to end.

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Investigators, of course, go through Rod's phone while they're at the scene and they find photos of Morgan on his phone that appear to be taken without her consent. This is in the hidden folder. If you have an iPhone. There is a folder literally labeled hidden when you go through your folders. And if you are hiding evidence there, it will be found. Yeah, it's not the best place.

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Post Mortem | The “Batman” Intruder

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Not the best place. So there are these photos of Morgan. They're able to arrest him for invasion of privacy because of that. They do this in order to get him in custody so that he does not destroy any additional evidence. Is that sort of a common practice, like if you can nab a suspect on something else? And what did you think of that tactic?

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Welcome back, everyone. Two days after Morgan's attack, sergeants interviewed Rod Metzer. Now, we saw portions of this interview in the hour where Rod is actually argumentative with the investigators. He's trying to get the upper hand, almost trying to intimidate them. What was your reaction to his behavior during the police interview? Yeah.

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That was the biggie. I felt like a lot of the other evidence he could have made an excuse for. But why do you need zip ties?

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Yeah. Speaking of the evidence, investigators found Rod's browser history and that he searched. And this is a quote. How long to choke someone unconscious? Rod was ultimately charged with 10 counts relating to the attack, including kidnapping, aggravated assault, sexual battery. How come he wasn't charged with attempted murder?

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Post Mortem | Deputy Spivey on Trial

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The jury deliberated for 12 hours over two days, found Renard Spivey not guilty. Well, it certainly surprised me only because it doesn't often happen on 48 hours. Do you expect that viewers were also surprised?

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I mean, I thought to myself, I'm going to take a look at how many other cases this particular type of gun is involved in, because it seems like a particularly dangerous design. If you're trained and he would have been, perhaps you can handle it. But I would think there's a lot of people who can't handle a gun like that. Yes.

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Well, we're glad you're safe. And let's cross our fingers that this gets under control and everyone else remains safe as well. Thank you. And just a reminder for everyone, you know, I say this every time. If you have not watched the episode yet, this episode of 48 Hours, you can find the full audio version of it just below this episode in your podcast feed.

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Post Mortem | Deputy Spivey on Trial

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Wow. So you spoke to Renard's twin sister, Renee, and she said there are really no winners at all in this case. Renard's life will never be the same. Patricia, of course, lost her life. What was it like talking to Patricia's family and how are they coping, considering not only are they dealing with the loss of Patricia, but also this case did not turn out the way they believed it should have?

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Post Mortem | Deputy Spivey on Trial

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Well, you know, you always wonder why people are willing to talk to us here at 48 Hours. And I hope in her case, it was therapeutic. that this is the beginning of some sort of journey towards healing for her. But I was quite struck by the fact that she was caught off guard, that there were tears.

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So go take a listen to it and then come on back and we will talk. All right. What I think was really interesting about this episode is just how much security video you had from inside the home. I've always wondered who these people are that just run security cameras in their home all the time, in the kitchen of all places.

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We'll see what happens. It was a really well-told hour. You guys did an excellent job. And thanks for joining us.

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Post Mortem | Deputy Spivey on Trial

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So because of this, we can actually hear the shooting, but we don't see the shooting. Patricia's family, they believe that she was murdered, but Renard said that it was an accident. Was it a challenge for you all to make sure that you presented both sides of the story?

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And so you guys really studied the surveillance footage really closely. I know what sort of struck me, which has nothing necessarily to do with the case, was just how ordinary it seemed like the hours leading up to this were, you know, going to the fridge, grabbing a drink. It's like very ordinary. What was unusual about the footage leading up to the shooting?

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But this is one of my the challenge that I had with his story is that it just seemed like there wasn't a lot of time. We see him go out to the kitchen to say goodnight to her. Then he according to him, he's sort of rebuffed and he goes back in and he says he waited for her to fall asleep. It just didn't seem like enough time had gone by.

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we are discussing the case of Patricia Spivey, whose husband, Renard, is a former sheriff's deputy. He was also known for playing a bailiff on TV. He was charged in 2019 with murdering Patricia in the home that they built together. So joining me now is CBS News correspondent Natalie Morales and 48 Hours producer Asena Bashak.

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Right. You can see why that would raise a little bit of suspicion. And then the surveillance cameras, they also catch moments after the shooting when Renard has called 911. We see him take a break from CPR to unlock the garage door. I want to play a clip of that 911 call. It wasn't part of the show, so this is new for people. When the operator hears his home security system disarming.

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Are you in the bedroom?

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Yeah, that makes sense why he would be sort of groaning as much as he is because he's shot in the leg and now he's trying to walk, you know, to the garage. Um, this is what I'll say. I kind of went back and forth. And part of the reason why I went back and forth is because I actually found him very believable. Have you interviewed people who've been accused of murder before?

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And was he sort of any different or the same or what jumped out at you guys? He genuinely...

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Welcome back. Let us dig into some of the evidence in this case. The trigger of the gun that was used to fatally shoot Patricia, it was never swabbed for DNA. Why not?

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Welcome. Thank you, Anne-Marie. Good to be with you. Thanks for having us. So I should point out to everyone that we're actually recording this at a pretty high stress time. For you, Natalie, there are several wildfires burning out of control in the Los Angeles area and not too far from where you are, Natalie.

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Yeah, I can definitely see that. So it was still unclear the amount of times that Patricia was shot.

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So I want to talk about another person you interviewed, Patricia's friend, Ezra. He took the stand, had pretty damning testimony about their relationship, but also Renard. He told you in an interview that he had multiple phone conversations with Renard in the hours before the shooting and that Renard admitted to taking steroids and said that Patricia wanted a divorce.

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But at trial, the prosecutor did not present phone records to prove this. How did Ezra's testimony hold up at trial?

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So Ezra was the only one that I am aware of that spoke about steroid use. But when you talked to her cousin and to her daughter, did they also indicate that, you know, there were problems in the relationship to this degree?

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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So the other really interesting element to this case is that authorities after they track him down, they discover a journal. And he's been writing in this thing now for quite a while. At one point, there's the phrase, I did it. And the prosecution argues that this is him admitting that he killed his wife.

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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So, the trial lasts only four days. He's found guilty. He's sentenced to life in prison. Where do things go from here with the case?

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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Well, you know, it was a great hour. I also sort of, it was heartbreaking because I thought to myself, you know, a lot of us get into relationships that are not meant to last. They just don't work out. And you leave. And Katie would have left. I mean, literally after the honeymoon, the writing was on the wall. And because she crossed paths with the wrong person, it has this tragic, tragic end.

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Definitely. Well, Peter and Kat, thank you so much. Really appreciate talking to you. Thanks.

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Und ich weiß, als ich es gesehen habe, dachte ich mir, You have to get so close to someone to kill them with this knife. It has to be sort of an intimate engagement. Peter, you were in the room with the murder weapon. I'm wondering what it was like. I know you've seen a lot of different pieces of evidence in murder cases, but what was it like to be in the room with this piece of evidence?

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And Kat, this was an important piece of evidence, obviously.

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So this is another case where people are just not what they seem. And the thing with John is that he's not just in the military, he's a military recruiter. And I thought to myself, you know, you get that position because you have the ability to influence, you have the ability to connect with young people, to convince them that joining the military is going to be something beneficial for them.

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So, you know, Natürlich findet Katie John völlig vertraut. Sie wird von ihm gefeuert, so viel so, dass sie sich auch auf ihn einlässt. Viel zu der Überraschung, denke ich, von Katies Mutter. Aber Peter, du hast ein bisschen mit Katies Mutter darüber gesprochen. Und das konnte es nicht in die Stunde machen, also wollen wir diesen Sound spielen.

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Hier ist das Wichtigste an ihm. Es war nicht nur Katie, die für ihn geflogen war, in einer Art und Weise. Aber er war auch ein beeindruckender älterer Figur in den Leben anderer Teenager, insbesondere der Frau, die sein Freund Hannah Thompson ist. These teenagers are at his house, hanging out.

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Right, right. Yeah, there's got to be sort of a bit of a combination of a personality who looks for vulnerabilities in these kids and then the kids that are vulnerable. I'm sure there are other kids who just thought he was weird and, you know, never went to his house. So, Peter, you actually, you spoke to Captain Cheryl Schofield. You spoke outside of the house there.

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But you are nine feet tall. You do not look like Lurch. But Peter Van Zandt is a very tall man.

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Let's talk about this investigation then. You know, as far as John Blauvelt's demeanor, he's told about this death and he's brought in for questioning. I know 48 Hours viewers were analyzing every second, every move that he made, the words that he chose. Okay, well, there was a lot going on there in the beginning. He did appear to be distressed.

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I mean, we don't know what's going on in his head, but...

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And then he takes off. Ich denke, viele Leute werden sich fragen, hey, wenn du verurteilt wirst, wie kannst du das einfach so verlassen? Aber wenn du nicht verurteilt wirst, dann gibt es keinen Grund, dich zu halten.

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Out of curiosity, did any of the investigators speculate about why he would even take Hannah with him? You would think that bringing Hannah would just increase the likelihood of him eventually getting caught.

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Welcome back, everyone. So there's another irony in the case, and it comes up when John goes on the run. Peter, you have a really great exchange with a U.S. Marshal, where he makes the point that John had training with the Army, and the government provided this training to him, ironically. And then you sort of interject, right, saying the training was to...

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Welcome back to 48 Hours Postmortem. I'm your host Anne-Marie Green and today we are talking to correspondent Peter Van Sant and field producer Kat Turfs about the case of John Blavelt, a military recruiter found guilty of stabbing his young wife Katie in Simpsonville, South Carolina back in 2016.

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Yeah, I too am also a big fan of the Marshalls. I think that the description that you presented was just so spot on. And something that kind of jumped out at me in the hour that I thought would make their job challenging. I don't know if you guys noticed this or not, but I felt like... Blavel looked different in almost every picture you showed.

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Like there was one picture where he's got a knit cap and I thought to myself, I could have sworn I dated that guy once.

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Because he looked like an ex of mine. He looks like, you put 10 pounds on him, he looks different. You put a beard on him, he looks completely different.

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But I just thought, you know, it's like 101. Tattoos are identifiable. You wear long sleeves, you cover it with makeup, you do something. So even though he had all this great training, he also didn't implement everything as well as he could, I suppose.

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Richtig. So, yes, we find out that, you know, six years after Blauvelt fled, the U.S. Marshals are able to actually track him down to where he's living with his new girlfriend in Medford, Oregon. How did they actually track him down, though?

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However, before authorities had enough evidence to arrest him for murder, he went on the run with his 17-year-old girlfriend, Hannah Thompson. So Peter, Kat, thank you so much for joining us.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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Welcome to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're discussing the case of Danny Houchens. In September 1996, Danny was found dead near the Gallatin River that's just outside of Bozeman, Montana. After an autopsy declared the manner of death undetermined, the sheriff's department said it could have been an accidental drowning.

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Why did investigators originally not release this information?

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So turning back to this investigation, once Hutchinson is identified as the suspect, Elfmont and another detective confront him. They make up an excuse to speak to him, but they do say, you know, we're investigating crimes along the rivers in southwest Montana, and we want to talk to you. But they start to focus in on Danny's murder and Hutchinson becomes visibly nervous.

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I want to play an extended clip here of that interview.

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Indeed. Just hours after that interview, Hutchinson drives to a remote area and he shoots himself. When Hutchinson's DNA is ultimately checked against evidence from Danny's body, it is a match. But unfortunately, he is now dead. And so there will be no trial. I just wonder what it was like for Danny's family.

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The hour ends in a really beautiful moment that Stephanie allows 48 hours to be there for. She spreads some of her sister's ashes in the Gallatin River. What was that moment like?

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Really, really well put. Peter, Lauren, thank you so much.

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Thank you. If you like the series Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts and follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts. You can also listen ad-free with the 48 Hours Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks again for listening.

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I'm glad, Lauren, that you said that they always investigated it as a homicide. But I also think what opportunities were missed if the public knew that that they were looking for someone. Maybe other people were out there at that time. And, you know, they might have seen someone else out there talking to her. But if you don't know, you're looking for another person.

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You're not going to, you know, try to help in that manner. Or just the thought that there was a killer on the loose in their small town. Yeah, absolutely.

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So, you know, a lot of times when people ask me about working for 48 hours and they say, isn't it sort of depressing to focus on these topics? And I always tell them in every story there are heroes. And there are a few in this story. Dani's sister, Stephanie, is definitely one of them. Lauren, you spent a lot of time talking to her.

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She struggled her entire life to accept Dani's death as an accident. She couldn't shake the feeling that that her sister had been murdered. But it wasn't until years later that Stephanie pushed the sheriff's department to reopen the investigation. What prompted her to take action?

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In the following years, though, Danny's family tried to move on, but always suspected that her death was no accident. And almost 28 years later, her killer was found. So with me now to discuss this case is 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant and producer Lauren Clark. Welcome.

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Right. Another big driving force is Sheriff Dan Springer. In 2021, he's a newly appointed sheriff. And he tells Stephanie, I am making a promise that we will find an answer to this case, which I thought was quite a hefty promise to make. So I want to talk about him and just why Springer decided that this was the cold case that he was going to dig into and he was going to solve.

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And then there's another hero in Danny's case. Springer enlists the help of a former investigator, Tom Elfmont. Tom Elfmont was a former LAPD captain. He retires and he moves to Bozeman. How did Springer even find him?

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Thanks for having us, Anne-Marie. All right, guys. As usual, remember, if you haven't listened to this episode of 48 Hours, head on over to your podcast feed. You can find the full episode of this case right underneath this podcast that you're listening to right now. Go listen and then come on back so we can have this conversation. All right, let's get into this.

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Welcome back, everyone. We are going to dig into the science here. Tom Elfman's investigation really starts to gain momentum when he pushes the Montana State Crime Lab to retest the semen that was found on Danny's clothes with their newest DNA technology.

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Now, the lab does manage to get a partial DNA profile, but it didn't match any of the names in their system or in CODIS, which is the FBI's national DNA agency.

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database but there were also four rootless male hairs found on danny that were preserved and the private lab was able to extract dna from one of those hairs i didn't realize that that was even a possibility now to tell you the truth because normally you need when we say rootless we're talking about that sort of white bulb that's at the end of a hair when it gets yanked out This didn't have that.

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You know, tell me a little bit more about this technology and how they were able to do this.

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Which brings me to CeCe Moore, because it's one thing to have a DNA profile, but if you can't match it to a person, then it doesn't really matter. So Elfmont enlists the help of CeCe Moore, an investigative genetic genealogist. She's worked for law enforcement since. to build family trees from DNA samples and identify killers.

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One of the things that really stood out to me about this case is the fact that in 1996, the sheriff's department publicly said that there was actually no indication of foul play here with Danny's death. They withheld details from the coroner's report that said that Danny had inhaled water and mud, that she had cuts and bruises on her body, and there were signs of a possible sexual assault.

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So in 2024, Cece was able to identify several family members who were related to this DNA profile. Eventually, though, she zeroes in on Paul Hutchinson because he's posted on Facebook that he moved to Montana in 1996 and he moved to Bozeman. And this is just months before Danny is murdered.

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First off, what was the moment like for CeCe Moore when she realized, here are all the dots, and now the lines are like, I have a picture?

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So let's talk a little bit about these public DNA databases, because I think some people, they wanted to, you know, see if they were related to the Queen of England or something like that. So they signed up for Ancestry. We're not talking about a database necessarily like that.

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So as Peter pointed out, the suspect... Paul Hutchinson, he's well-respected. He's working for the Bureau of Land Management in Montana. He also has no criminal record. So he's definitely managed to stay under the radar for many, many years. I know I thought there's no way that this is the only thing this guy has ever done because it's, you know, it's a murder and a sexual assault.

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Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're looking at the case of Melissa Koyuzinski. She was a daycare worker who was convicted of murder in 2009 in the death of a 16-month-old baby boy, Benjamin Kingen. Now, Melissa remains in prison, and she's already served 16 of the 31-year sentence that she received. But she's long insisted that she is innocent.

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So there's that. Do we know ultimately why it was shut down?

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The latest hour is 48, fourth installment on Melissa's case. And I know that your team will continue to follow with all kinds of updates, but where are we now in this case? What are the next steps?

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Absolutely. I thought it was really important to show Benjamin's family. This was devastating for everyone that loved him. And you also obviously talked to Melissa's parents, and they have worked tirelessly to free their daughter. And they actually have her bedroom exactly the same way that it was. What was it like speaking to them and visiting that bedroom?

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Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's a great hour and I know you guys are going to stay on this case. I'm curious to see how things continue to develop and unfold as this case moves forward. So Stephanie, Erin, thank you very much.

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So once again, everyone, if you like this series Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts and follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts. And you can also listen ad-free with the 48 Hours Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks again for listening.

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So, in fact, in the hour, we see a portion of this very long, intense police interrogation. Melissa repeatedly claims, and we're talking about more than 60 times, that she did not hurt Benjamin. But then after nine hours, she admits to throwing him forcefully on the floor. So I want to play an extended clip of that interrogation.

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Well, so let me ask you about the attorney. And I once again was hearing Erin's voice in my head. She always says, no matter what, ask for an attorney, innocent or otherwise, always ask for an attorney first. And it seems like, you know, Melissa's parents clearly are very, very invested and were very involved. At this point, do you know if anyone intervened?

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So today joining me is 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty, who has been reporting on this case for more than a decade, and producer Stephanie Slipher, who also worked on this case with us. Welcome, ladies.

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Right. Stephanie, you brought up the x-rays because that was the other, oh my gosh, kind of component to this hour. Big part of the case, these x-rays that were given to Melissa's original defense attorney, Paul DeLuca, before the start of the trial. In 2015, and we're talking about four years after the conviction, Melissa's father says that he

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He got a mysterious anonymous phone call telling him that there were clearer x-rays and that these x-rays were actually at the coroner's office and that they were never turned over to the defense. Then in 2016, Dr. Robert Zimmerman, who is a pediatric neuroradiologist, testifies at an evidentiary hearing that those x-rays show no skull fracture at all. This is a bombshell revelation.

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I am curious, has the person who is behind that anonymous phone call, has that person ever been identified?

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So Aaron, you asked Paul Foreman whether or not he was the one. Let's play that sound.

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I mean, knowing everything that we know, right, that there were actually clear x-rays. Can you feel confident in the verdict from this trial?

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And Stephanie, I want to thank you because I know you're feeling a little under the weather and you still made it in for this podcast. So I really, really appreciate it.

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And remember, if you haven't listened to this episode of 48 Hours yet, you can go find it. You can find the full audio just below this episode in your podcast feed. So go take a listen and then come on back so we can talk about this case. All right. So, Aaron, 48 Hours first began reporting on Melissa's case in 2014.

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Welcome back. So police quickly focused on Melissa Kawizinski, but another woman named Brenda came up in police interviews with Melissa's coworkers. One of those daycare workers told police that months prior to Benjamin's death, she heard that he had thrown his head back in a crib while Brenda was putting him down. And then the next day, Brenda quit. The defense could not track her down.

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But incredibly, 48 hours did. Your team did. Stephanie did. Stephanie, how did you find Brenda and how did you convince her to sit down?

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And I guess we should remind everyone that Brenda, despite what the other co-workers had said, that Brenda was never charged with anything.

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Right. And I think it was a good opportunity for her because because her name is being bounced around, at least by the co-workers, to say this is what I remember. And I don't remember anything happening.

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That's about five years after Benjamin's death and almost three years after Melissa was actually convicted of his murder. When you first interviewed Melissa, was there anything that stood out to you about her? What were your impressions of her?

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The daycare where Melissa and Brenda worked was actually shut down by state authorities. This is shortly after Benjamin's death. I'm wondering, were there any further investigations? Did anyone look into whether or not there had been other problems at this daycare?

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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So Edgar's mother, Cindy Hogan, was actually at the house. We see it in the hour. And eventually charged with hindering apprehension.

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January 3rd of 2023, Edgar is formally sentenced to 99 years in prison with the possibility of parole after serving 30 years. What is the likelihood that he could actually get out in 30 years?

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So joining me now to discuss this is correspondent Peter Vincent and producer Judy Ryback. Thanks for joining us, guys. Hi. Hey, I'm Murray.

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We talked about Libby a little bit earlier. And the sense that I got from her is that she would have been going places. She would have eventually left that town. It felt like anyways.

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Mm-hmm. Absolutely. It's clear that Darcy loved her daughter, obviously. Peter, you went with her to a memorial that she had put up for her daughter. What was that like?

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OK. And as per usual, remember, everyone, if you haven't listened to this 48 hours episode yet, head on over to your podcast feed. You're going to find the episode just below this one right there. Go over there and listen and then come on back for this conversation. All right. This murder occurs in Hemp Hill, Texas.

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Yeah. Well, it was a great hour, as usual. Thank you. Peter, Judy, thank you so much. Thank you.

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And of course, I want to remind you guys, if you like the series Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts and follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts. And you can also listen ad-free on the Amazon Music Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or the 48 Hours Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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We've done some stories in some small communities and having worked in small towns, what you find is that everyone knows everyone. This is a really small community. About a thousand people live there. What was it like visiting such a small town?

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Right. Yeah, a lot of them have records. So the thing about a small town, though, clearly they've investigated their fair share of high-speed chases. But probably not murders, right?

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Yeah, when I watched that video with Darcy, I could feel my hands clenching, and I was like, just tell her what's going on. How does Darcy feel about how...

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I want to talk to you guys about the DNA tests because, you know, the case sort of feels straightforward. But one thing that was surprising to me and I'm sort of surprising to investigators is there's blood on Edgar's face and that blood does not actually match him or Libby. So then, you know, whose blood is it? Any theories?

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I actually was surprised that Bobby was willing to talk to you guys because I felt like they're at his house partying. She's going to stay over there is what we're getting. And I just thought he would want to have nothing to do with this case because everyone involved, he's... well acquainted with, and it must have been tough.

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Welcome back. When Livvy's family and friends find out that she has been killed, Did they think of anyone else who could possibly be responsible for this? They were focused.

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So is this why, at that party, Montana doesn't call the police, Bobby doesn't call the police, when, you know, they can see that Edgar is drunk, that things are ratcheting up, no one even thinks, like, he shouldn't get behind the wheel.

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So early on in this investigation, investigators believe that Montana helped Edgar maybe cover up the crime scene. They didn't find any evidence that she participated at all, though. But what made investigators initially suspect her?

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Montana was thoroughly investigated, right?

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So, Edgar is arrested in the hospital just hours after Livy's murder. I'm wondering, did you guys try to get an interview with him?

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So in February of 2021, the COVID pandemic shuts down the courts. That's been happening with a lot of the cases that we've been covering lately. In this case, Edgar's released on a $50,000 bond. It feels light for a murder suspect, right?

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we're discussing the case of Livy Lewis, who was murdered by her ex-boyfriend, Matthew Edgar, following an argument at a party. But then during his murder trial, he fled when his ankle monitor battery died and he evaded authorities for nearly a year.

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Wait, he's out on bond accused of killing his ex-girlfriend and he assaults his ex-wife?

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So then the big twist in this story comes when the battery on Edgar's ankle monitor, it dies, and he goes on the run in the middle of the trial. The jury was not told this, though, that he fled. I mean, you would think that would be a factor that the jury should be able to consider. I mean, if you're not guilty, why are you running? One could argue. Yeah.

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They ultimately find him, but it takes like a year because he's out on the run. He's actually found guilty while he's on the run. And now investigators have to figure out how to find him, which this was so fascinating. He's ultimately found hiding in plain sight.

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Post Mortem | The Hit-and-Run Homicide of Davis McClendon

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Welcome back to another episode of Postmortem. I am your host, Anne-Marie Green, and we are discussing a case that I actually reported on this week with 48 Hours producer Josh Yeager. It's about the hit and run death of Davis McClendon in the small town of Greenwood, South Carolina, where everybody knows everybody. And it really isn't just a cliche. People are so interconnected in this town.

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And then shortly after one o'clock, he meets up with Davis. The prosecution argued that the crash site showed that Bud deliberately hit Davis, who we learned was standing outside of his BMW at the time. But then he flees the scene on top of that. Right. So if it was an accident, you know, why do you flee the scene? And then he never calls 911. But then I heard the defense's argument.

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Yeah, because he was the one who really kind of like processed that accident scene. And people in law enforcement, there's sort of a range of personalities, right? And this is the guy who's like focused on detail, very level. This is the one that you want, you know, taking out the measuring tape and seeing this is like a quarter of an inch and what it means. You got the sense that he was a very...

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Yeah, absolutely. It was really good. And good on you to be nimble enough to be like, all right, we're going to change this plan and grab this guy now. All right. So so back to the court case. It's, you know, less than 30 minutes of deliberations for the jury. They find Bud Ackerman guilty of murder. He is later sentenced to 45 years in prison without a possibility of parole.

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As we said in the hour, defense attorney Jack Swirling believes that the jury did not take enough time to really dig into the evidence to really consider what they had heard. He thinks that the verdict came back too soon. Davis's friends said that it was clear that Ackerman was guilty. And that's why they believe the jury came back as soon as they did. So what's going on with this case now?

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You know, we know working on these stories, even after a conviction, there's obviously still a lot of pain. The pain does not go away for these families. Can we talk a little bit about how some of the people are doing? What about Meredith?

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Yeah. And we should remind people there's Davis's family, too. I mean, he was he wasn't divorced for very, very long. He also had children. And, you know, now Davis's ex-wife is left being a single parent as well. They were not interested in talking to 48 hours. But, you know, the loss of Davis has left a huge, huge hole in these families, in this community.

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Yeah, absolutely. Well, Josh, it was great working with you on this case, on this hour. I look forward to the next time we work together. I know you're already busy deep in another hour. You guys keep it moving, you 48 Hours producers, but thank you.

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And I thought about the times that maybe I've driven in the dark and maybe didn't see a pedestrian who was about to cross the street to the last minute. And I saw maybe a window of opportunity. I was a little torn.

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Yeah, that's absolutely it in a nutshell. And so what the prosecution needs to do is try to find as much information as possible to determine what could be in Bud Ackerman's mind at this moment. Was he really trying to stop his forward momentum or not? Because we really don't know exactly where Davis was. necessarily in the road. And so the prosecution gathers a lot of digital evidence.

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But one of the key pieces of evidence was the data that they recovered from Bud's truck. We all know that we're being tracked all the time, but I don't know about you. I was even a little surprised by the millisecond by millisecond detail that this truck was capturing and keeping.

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I didn't know about that either. And I was also really surprised that that's the sort of data that is stored. The other thing that I thought was really interesting was this bit about the cell phones. Meredith handed over her phone so investigators could see the text conversations that had been happening and how many phone calls were being made between Bud Ackerman and herself.

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In May of 2023, William Budd Ackerman fatally struck Davis, who was dating Budd's soon-to-be ex-wife, Meredith. The defense claimed that this was an accidental collision, but the prosecution argued that the crash was in fact an intentional killing. So joining me now is Josh. We work together on the case. So it's good to have you here on Postmortem as well, Josh.

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When it comes to Bud's phone, one of the things we learned is that Once police have a warrant for your phone and your phone is in their custody, they may not be able to initially get past the security measures if you don't give them your passcode. But once there's a software update, That's when they have an opportunity to get into a phone.

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And so they will just hang on to the phone until the next software update. So prior to that, they really can't sort of break into your phone. But after that, possibly. Right. All right. So let's talk about Meredith and Bud's relationship. Meredith said that by the end of their marriage, she really felt that Bud was struggling financially.

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with his mental health, that he was becoming paranoid, jealous. And she says that she found hidden surveillance cameras in her home, and that was pretty much the breaking point. But from everything we heard from her, this was initially a happy marriage.

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And there was someone else who really saw Bud's deterioration up close. It was Megan McGovern. She was the babysitter. She started babysitting when she was a kid herself. She was only around 12 years old. And so as she grows from a tween to a teen to sort of a young adult, she has an up-close look at this relationship. And I want to play part of the interview that we did with Megan for you.

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So there you have sort of a little taste of it. And we asked her, you know, was he ever violent or inappropriate? And she said, no, absolutely not. But she could just see things getting darker and darker and darker with him.

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Now, first off, if you haven't listened to this episode yet, you can find it in your podcast feed just below this one. Go listen to the episode and then come back here to listen to Postmortem. So I got to tell you, when I first sort of read about the details of this case, I thought this really seems pretty cut and dry.

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Welcome back. Well, just hours after killing Davis McClendon, Bud Ackerman was arrested and charged with his murder. In September of 2024, Bud's case went to trial, which faced a couple of challenges from the very, very start.

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Yeah, totally. Close to the end of the hour, you see Davis's son speak, and he's very, very angry, not just at Bud Ackerman, but at the Ackerman family. For this town, this is a wealthy family, well-known, but also Davis. He's pretty well known in the town himself. So the memorial for Davis was massive. It was so large that they had to hold it outside. That's according to Davis's friends.

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There's no question that the reason Davis McClendon is dead is because he was hit. He was in a collision. At the trial, the prosecution made a really strong case that Bud was jealous. His estranged wife, Meredith, had started dating. Bud was tracking them that night, the night they were out on a date, making all these phone calls, looking for them both.

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So it sort of tells you about the impact of the loss, but also how everyone felt the loss.

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Everyone knowing everyone and everyone being sort of interconnected in some way, shape or form is challenging for us, too. I felt like everyone was very conscious that whatever they said was, you know, going to obviously going to get back to people who they may see in church or on the street or at the Walmart. And they were kind of conscious of that.

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I almost felt like in a way, both like sort of swirling the attorney for the defense for Ackerman and the prosecutors, they were almost, I'm not going to say falling over each other to compliment each other, but they were very complimentary towards each other.

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Yeah. Yeah, so true. We did get at least one lucky break, though, when we were out at the scene shooting. We had a plan to interview certain individuals in law enforcement, and then someone else showed up.

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So first off, a reminder for everyone, as usual, if you haven't actually listened to this 48 Hours episode yet, you can find the full audio version just below this episode in your podcast fees. So go back, listen to it, and then come join us for this conversation. So let's get right into it. On the morning of April 25th, 2021, Dee's daughter Raquel comes over to her house.

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Let me ask you a question just because, Sarah, you said that they believed her to be dead. They had her declared dead, which I would think would be really tough because you want to hang on to hope, but obviously they felt the declaration was important.

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Did any of the family members talk about the decision to have her declared dead, why they thought they needed to do that before a body was even found?

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They're going to have breakfast together, but the house is empty. Dee's family report her missing later on in the day when she does not return any of their phone calls. But her second husband, Dale, tells police that he's not that concerned. And he says, you know, she's done this before. She's left the house before. However, her family becomes increasingly skeptical.

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Well, I look forward to the update because I know 48 hours will stay on this case. It was another fascinating hour. Sarah, Erin, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for having us. If you like this series, Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts and follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts.

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And you can also listen ad free with the 48 Hours plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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The only way to truly be safe is to be the only one left. You really are insane.

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We don't know what we're looking for.

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Now, 48 Hours doesn't do a lot of missing persons. So I wondered about just how you approach this story when you really didn't know what the ending was going to look like.

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And so that brings me to the amount of access that you had to the family. It seems like they were really willing to talk.

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Yeah, I mean, people should know that there are so many producers that work on an hour. And key is building these genuine relationships with the people involved. You got to be authentic. You got to be real.

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OK, so that brings me to this. Really early on, Dee's family suspected that Dale had something to do with her disappearance and ultimately her death. We learn in The Hour that only six weeks after Dee went missing, Dee's brother Greg confronted Dale and he says, you're a liar. I'll get you. What made Greg and the others in Dee's family so convinced that she did not leave independently?

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She never sent that text, the letter K. Well, one of the other things that Dale says is that she left her wedding ring behind. But her family doesn't buy that. Why were they so convinced? I know they said it was really expensive.

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So Greg actually paid to put a billboard up and he said, you know, the slogan was meant to be a little sarcastic. Help Dale find D. He puts it up at a major intersection near his farm. Where did he even get the idea to do something like this?

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Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we are digging into a case that began as a missing person investigation when Dee Warner vanished from her home in Lenawee County, Michigan, in 2021. But her family suspected foul play. And after years of searching... her body was finally found.

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Welcome back, everyone. So two and a half years after Dee's disappearance, police arrest Dale and they charge him with Dee's murder. But investigators still have not found her body. How difficult are no body cases to prove in court?

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So speaking of the preliminary hearing, that's where we get a lot of information. And they really kind of dig into the relationship between Dee and Dale. And it wasn't so great. Is there anything that was revealed in the preliminary hearing that did make it into the hour?

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So for somebody who texted all the time, did she text about any of this stuff to her friends and family?

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Joining me now to discuss this case and its twists and turns is 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty and producer Sarah Pryor. Thank you so much. Hello. Good to see you. Thanks, Anne-Marie. We love to talk about the twists and turns. Indeed, and there are a lot for this one.

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And I guess we should remind the audience that a preliminary hearing or a pretrial hearing is really just about putting all the evidence out there to determine whether or not it rises to the level of actually going to trial.

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So at this point, though, no one really knew what happened to Dee. There was no body. But incredibly, in August of 2024, over three years after Dee went missing, investigators found her body in a large metal tank that is used to store fertilizer. Can you tell us more about how they found Dee?

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Growing Up with the Happy Face Killer | Post Mortem Special

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Welcome to a special episode of Postmortem.

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That's interesting. In 2018, you actually went on the Dr. Oz show. And there's kind of like a fictionalized version of this in the series, the Dr. Gregg show. But I want to play a clip from that episode.

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So we know that you are not like him and you have the brain scan to prove it. I wonder, though, about the shame. Have you killed the shame?

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Right. When I was watching that scene, I became uncomfortable because I'm a 48 hours correspondent. And, you know, you're always asking yourself when you're doing these stories, you know, am I helping these people? You know, I don't want to be taking advantage of their grief. You're just always sort of checking yourself that you're doing right by them.

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And so for you, Jennifer, this is this is a question for you. I wonder if that is something throughout this whole process that you also sort of asked yourself when it comes to Melissa and her family. You know, is this OK? Is this going to make their lives even more challenging? Is that something that you sort of had in mind?

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I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green, and today I'm sitting down with Melissa G. Moore, the daughter of serial killer Keith Hunter Jesperson, and Jennifer Casicio, the executive producer of the new series Happy Face, starring Anna Lee Ashford as Melissa and Dennis Quaid as her father, which premieres with two episodes on Thursday, March 20th, exclusively on Paramount+.

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Absolutely. So in the podcast, there's kind of a supernatural component to this story, right? Your father, Melissa, feels like there are ghosts around him. And he really feels like some of them may be his victims who are waiting for him. You know, on the other side. Have you had any of your own encounters?

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Melissa, what is your relationship like with your father today?

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Wow. And what does that mean to you being his daughter now?

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Jennifer, what do you hope people get out of watching this series, Happy Face?

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I think that will definitely happen. So congratulations to both of yourself. And I look forward to your future work.

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Tune in to the new series, Happy Face, which premieres with two episodes on Thursday, March 20th, exclusively on Paramount+, which, like CBS and 48 Hours, is part of Paramount Global. New episodes are available to stream weekly on Thursdays. If you like this series, Postmortem, please rate and review 48 Hours on Apple Podcasts and follow 48 Hours wherever you get your podcasts.

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You can also listen ad-free with the 48 Hours Plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. Thanks again for listening.

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Jen, I want to ask you just how did you come to know Melissa and her story?

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So, Melissa, I don't want to give too much away in terms of how the TV series unfolds. But obviously you're here talking with us now about who your father is. But what it did occur to me, you know, you could have stopped just at the podcast episode. And been like, OK, I got it out of my system. So I'm curious why you didn't choose to do that and why you're still speaking about it.

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When I was thinking about you and your relationship with your dad, when he shows up, he's like he's Santa. He's bringing food. He's bringing toys. But he's also bringing you trinkets. It turns out that these trinkets are not just things for you, but they're things for him, too.

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So Happy Face is inspired by the true life story of Melissa G. Moore. At 15, Melissa discovered that her beloved father, Keith Jesperson, was the prolific serial killer known as Happy Face. As an adult, she changed her name and guarded that secret, all while her father continues to be serving a life sentence in prison.

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There's a symbolism here, right? And it's that, Melissa, you have all of these memories of your father, and then you get these additional memories as you start to learn about his movements, the places he went, the women that were killed. And so I wonder, like, you must want to keep the good memories, right? Is there a way to keep the good and ignore the bad?

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Right. I want to play a little bit from the series. There's a scene where the character, Melissa, and a TV producer interview Keith Jesperson in prison. I want to share that clip.

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So that scene, I think, encapsulates exactly what you were talking about. So I found myself as I was watching it, Melissa, thinking, does he want her to love him? Or does he want just to get attention?

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That's fascinating. Jennifer, you're sort of agreeing with that.

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Jesperson is responsible for killing at least eight women in the early 1990s and was dubbed the happy face killer because he signed his letters to the media and law enforcement with a smiley face. And Melissa, I listened to the podcast because this was a podcast before it became this TV series. And that's what the TV series is based on. I want to thank you for joining us and I want to dig into it.

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Welcome back. One of the things that you see in the series is the attraction and interest that many people have in serial killers. And in the first few episodes that I saw, you sort of see the gamut, right? The people who are just interested in true crime, like a lot of people who are going to be listening to this podcast. The people who think they can save the serial killer.

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The people who are drawn to the morbid. I wonder if this is something, Jennifer, that you were sensitive to, and even Melissa, in telling this story.

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So what was it like to see Annalie Ashford portraying you on camera? Like, I have to say, when I looked at her and looked at you, I thought, oh, my God. I mean, they really got an actress that looks very similar to you. You guys could almost be sisters.

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And then what about Dennis Quaid portraying your father?

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How does it work sort of behind the scenes? Like, did you all meet with Dennis Quaid?

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So thank you so much, guys. Thank you for having us.

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So, Melissa, your father was arrested in 1995 for the murder of his girlfriend, Julie Winningham. You were only 15 at the time. He goes to trial and then he confesses to a number of other murders. He's recanted when it comes to some of them. But what was it like at 15 to wrestle with this realization that your father is not the person you thought he was?

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Melissa, in 2018, you hosted a podcast also titled Happy Face. I listened to it. And one of the things that really stuck with me over the years was the episode where you get a brain scan. You are really curious about the nature of psychopathy. And you wonder, I mean, am I made of the same stuff? Do I have the same DNA? Is it nature? Is it nurture?

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But just 15 hours after the shooting... What are you doing back here? They got a huge break.

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News of Kevin's murder spread among his loved ones and closest friends.

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Lieutenant Hubbard reached out to Captain Jamila Aye, and if sharing the news about Kevin wasn't tragic enough, someone posted the chilling video of his murder online, and his fellow soldiers now saw and heard Kevin's final moments alive.

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Detectives Zaweski and Cunningham were back at their desks in headquarters, struggling for answers and leads to pursue. Day two. You get a phone call.

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The call from a sergeant at nearby North Haven Police Department was urgent.

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It began with a 911 call from a local scrap metal yard around 9 p.m., less than a half hour after Kevin was killed.

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Police body cameras were rolling when Sergeant Jeffrey Mills and Officer Marcus Artaiz spotted that vehicle stuck on snow-covered railroad tracks. Not far from the rear exit of the Sims scrap metal yard, they approached the driver.

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Four shootings over a few months. Do they have anything in common?

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The motorist was 29-year-old Kinshin Pan from Malden, Massachusetts.

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His driver's license and criminal background were clean. During the encounter, Sergeant Mills noticed a yellow jacket on the passenger seat. He also saw a blue bag and a briefcase in the back seat, but not much else.

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Because Sergeant Mills hadn't heard about Kevin's murder, he wasn't particularly concerned.

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But hours later, there was another call to 911. February 7th, around 11 a.m.

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The Arby's was right next door to the Best Western where Penn was dropped off. And by then, Mills had heard about the murder in New Haven. What's going through your brain?

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That's when Mills alerted New Haven Homicide about Pan. Do you immediately think there might be a connection with the homicide?

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Zawieski immediately sent detectives to meet Mills at the Best Western.

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New Haven police sent investigators, including Detective Joe Galvin, to track down Pan. Galvin went to Malden, Massachusetts, where Pan lived with his parents and was a graduate student at MIT.

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But police were also worried.

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With Kenshin Pan and his parents missing from their home, Detective David Zaweski turned to his computer, searching for Pan.

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Zion Perry. Kevin's fiance, who also went to MIT.

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She must have been wondering, why are you asking me so many questions about this guy? What did you say to her?

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Are you starting to formulate a theory about the case that goes a little beyond possible road rage?

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The next day, Zion Perry joined Kevin's mother, Linda Liu, and father, Ming-Shen Yang, and nearly 700 people on a virtual vigil for Kevin. Zion addressed the mourners.

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That week, Pastor Hendrickson eulogized Kevin at his funeral.

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Zion read a poem Kevin wrote to her. It began.

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A medical officer also trained to operate tanks, Kevin was buried with full military honors just two days before his 27th birthday on Valentine's Day. Meanwhile, Detective Galvin, a member of the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force in Connecticut, along with Supervisor Matthew Duffy and Deputy Marshal Kevin Perrault, were utilizing their vast resources to urgently gather intelligence on Pan.

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Lawyer William Gerais.

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The Marshalls discovered Pan had three active phones, and they noticed that in the months before Kevin was killed, Pan was using one of those phones to contact car dealerships.

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Investigators were able to match the date of Pan's test drives with each of the .45 caliber shootings in New Haven, including Kevin's murder. It was all part of a plan, investigators say. They believe that Pan likely fired shots into those homes to ultimately mislead them, hoping they would think Kevin's murder was just another random shooting.

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They also discovered that not long after Kevin's murder, Pan called his parents and they made a cash withdrawal of about $1,000.

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The marshals zeroed in on Pan's parents and picked up a ping on their phone at this North Carolina gas station.

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The cell phone was crushed.

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Three days later, investigators caught up with Pan's parents driving near Atlanta, Georgia.

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Police told them they suspected their son had killed someone. Were they shocked?

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Van's father didn't say why his son was heading in that direction.

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Pan's parents agreed to be photographed. Pan's mother declined to answer any questions without an attorney, but she later volunteered that her son walked away from her and his father and likely killed himself. The Marshalls were skeptical.

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What do you think of Pan's plan to mislead investigators? See more of the evidence at 48hours.com.

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And what does that mean?

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And they would need plenty of it. Weeks went by without an arrest. They wondered if they missed something and if their murder suspect had outmaneuvered them.

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Five weeks pass without a solid lead on the MIT student wanted for Kevin Zhang's murder.

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Then the manhunt for Pan suddenly heated up. Police said his mom told them she suspected her son killed himself, but they noticed his parents had a lot of banking activity.

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And then Pan's parents rented a car. They start traveling south again. But the vehicle's GPS system the marshals were tracking went dark. Did they turn it off?

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By then, investigators said they knew that their son had disabled GPS systems in several cars he drove in the run-up to Kevin's murder.

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At one point, surveillance cameras at this Georgia mall recorded Pan's father purchasing a computer.

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And it ticked away for nearly two more months until May 4th, 2021, when Pan's parents drove off for a third time. But there was a difference.

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What do you think the deal was with the other couple?

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Pan's parents and their unwitting companions were eventually placed under surveillance at a North Carolina hotel, where marshals interviewed a clerk after the Pans checked out.

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Here is the picture of Pan's mother making the call that broke the case wide open.

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Were you able to find that number? Yes. The marshals tracked the phone to this boarding house near Alabama State University in Montgomery. So you guys are closing in.

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Penn was arrested for the murder of Kevin Jong and brought back to Connecticut. He maintained his innocence, but a judge ordered him held on a $20 million bond.

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His case was delayed by the pandemic, but investigators had amassed a trove of evidence. Remember that license plate imprint on Kevin's car? Police say it matched the plate on the bumper of the SUV Pan was driving when Kevin was rear-ended. And forensic tests revealed that Pan's DNA was on the gun and ammo found outside Arby's. And Kevin's blood was also on Pan's hat.

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And the gear shift of the SUV Pan was driving the night Kevin was murdered. Was there anything missing? The murder weapon. Turns out the gun recovered at the Arby's was not the gun that was used to kill Kevin. Supervisory Assistant State's Attorney Stacey Miranda.

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But there was so much other evidence that Pan's lawyer, William Gerace, recommended he cut a deal.

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So you guys walk up to the scene. What do you see?

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On February 29, 2024, three years after Kevin's killing, Pan pled guilty to his murder in exchange for serving 35 years in prison without parole.

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At his sentencing in April, Pan sat silently as Kevin's loved ones and friends described their loss. By court order, the camera was fixed on him. Some of Kevin's mother's remarks were read by a family friend.

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Then Kevin's mother decided to speak.

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Pan never explained why he killed Kevin, but the only time he looked up was when Zion Perry rose to speak.

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Then Pan briefly addressed the court.

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Finally, Judge Harmon passed sentence and Pan was led away in handcuffs.

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We reached out to Pan's parents for comment, but did not hear back. Now Kevin's friends are left to wonder what Kevin, a man of deep faith, might have thought about his killer. Do you think Kevin would have forgiven Pan?

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Without a doubt. Yeah. The officers visited Kevin's grave after they spoke to 48 Hours. Lieutenant Hubbard recalled her first time there when she says she felt Kevin's presence.

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Anne Marie Green reports the Ivy League murder.

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Qin Xin Pan is scheduled to be released in 2056 when he is 65 years old.

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Join me Tuesday for Postmortem from 48 Hours, where we'll dive even deeper into today's episode and answer your questions about the case.

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there was something personal about this?

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And so you're going down the list of names. Nothing, nothing, nothing. And then you're like, whoa.

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It was a cold night in February 2021 when lead detective David Zoeski and his colleague Stephen Cunningham arrived at the crime scene.

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26-year-old Yale graduate student Kevin Jong was lying in the street, shot eight times.

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When you saw the body, what did you see?

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Stippling is a burn pattern caused by gunpowder exploding from a weapon fired at close range.

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they quickly discovered the Prius belonged to Kevin. Crime scene detectives noticed a peculiar bit of damage that suggested it had been hit from behind.

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So this is like a fender mender. It's not a violent crash.

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One witness told detectives she heard the sound of an accident and went to the window to look.

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Another witness heard the first round of gunshots and went to her window.

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She sees someone standing over another person, which means the victim is already down. And they're still shooting?

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What did you think?

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The detectives were able to confirm these accounts when they got a look at video from a neighbor's security system.

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Because most of the frame is a reflection of the interior of the house, we've zoomed in to focus on what's happening on the street. A warning this may be difficult to listen to.

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Moments later, the video shows the SUV driving off into the night. Can you make out any details when it comes to the SUV?

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Investigators soon felt the dark SUV and the .45 caliber shells recovered at the scene pointed to a potential link to those earlier shootings around the area that police had been investigating. Four times over a two-month span, someone fired shots into family homes. The fourth incident occurred just one hour before Kevin Jong's murder.

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Paul and Nyree White's home was the target of the third shooting.

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Nyree, a schoolteacher, headed upstairs to take a shower. Paul, an educator with degrees from Yale, Harvard, and Columbia University, was sitting downstairs.

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Paul shouted a warning to Nyree. Get down. Someone's shooting. And then I heard bang, pop again. And I turned and I literally saw the frame of the door just splintered. And then she yells back at you.

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It was over in a matter of moments and no one was injured. Do you feel lucky?

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Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Detectives interviewed the Whites and the occupants of the other houses.

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And none of them, investigators say, had any connection to Kevin Jeong. But the shell casings from all the shootings would later tell a different story.

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The casings matched, but Kevin was the only person murdered, and detectives didn't know why.

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Or was Kevin Jeong targeted?

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It was late when Detective Zaweski and Cunningham left the crime scene on February 6th. They went to Kevin Jiang's home, looking to find a family member to notify about what had happened. His mother, Linda Liu, came to the door.

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Can she even comprehend that?

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The detectives wanted to know everything about Kevin and why he may have been targeted that night. Linda began to tell them about her son.

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Kevin was deeply religious. He and his mother were part of the congregation at Trinity Baptist Church. Pastor Gregory Hendrickson knew them both and says that Linda, a divorced single parent, got Kevin through a tough childhood where he was often bullied.

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Kevin bought this house in 2019, and Hendrickson says he invited his mother to come live with him.

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Police also learned that Kevin had recently gotten engaged to his girlfriend of a year, Zion Perry. She posted the proposal on Facebook. This was just one week before he was murdered.

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Zion Perry grew up in Pennsylvania, where she was an honors high school student. A couple met in January of 2020 when Zion was still an undergraduate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MIT.

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Zaweski and Cunningham then interviewed an emotional Zion. She told them she and Kevin had spent the day together.

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Kevin didn't get far. His Prius was struck by the dark SUV just two blocks from Zion's house. close enough for Zion to hear the gunshots that followed.

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Did she have any idea who would have done something like this?

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After speaking with Zion, detectives were no closer to figuring out why Kevin would be a target.

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Did you think this was going to be a tough case, though?

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Until that night, Davis McClendon sauntered up and sat down in her life. They tried to keep things low-key at first. Meredith says she never wanted to rub Bud's nose in it. So what did you all do? We would go out of town. But Meredith says they knew they couldn't sneak around forever, and it had started seeming like her new relationship with Davis was a forever kind of thing.

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But after Bud found out, there were new complications. He accused you of cheating? Yeah. even though you were weeks away from your divorce. Right. Meredith says Bud actually called Davis and asked him to back off until the divorce was official. What was Davis' reaction to that request?

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And on the night Davis died, she says Bud seemed out of control. Back at his parents' house, investigators now had a warrant and were finding more clues that Ackerman had been at the crash site.

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At about 6.30 a.m. on May 7, 2023, Bud Ackerman was arrested. He would be charged with the murder of Davis McClendon.

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So, by the end of the night, you already have someone in custody.

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Because it turns out Bud Ackerman did have a story to tell. He says Davis was standing near the middle of a dark road, approximately shown in this CBS News animation. Bud says he didn't see Davis until it was too late, that hitting him had been an accident. And Bud's team says they can prove it.

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Investigators are confident they could prove Bud Ackerman's truck had hit and killed Davis McClendon, but they knew proving Ackerman had done it on purpose might be harder.

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And when investigators looked at that night, they learned Bud Ackerman had been tracking Davis and Meredith's whereabouts for hours.

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Using security video, phone records, and even data from Bud's own truck, authorities built a timeline. They began with Meredith's phone, Lieutenant Matthew Womack of the Greenwood County Sheriff's Office.

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A slew of calls and text messages Bud had made to Meredith leading up to the collision. At 8.54 p.m., Bud texts Meredith, why do you hate me? I just don't understand. She doesn't respond to him. She's out with Davis at a local restaurant.

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and being interrupted by Bud's attempts to reach her. What was the FaceTime conversation like?

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So at that point, he knows that you're out with Davis. Mm-hmm. While Meredith continued her date with Davis, security cameras catch Bud Ackerman at 1040 p.m., arriving at a popular Greenwood club called Key West.

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The video shows Bud spent about an hour and a half at Key West, then called Meredith again. How did he sound on the phone? Intoxicated. What's an intoxicated Bud sound like? Vulgar. Soon after midnight, Ackerman had left Key West. About a half hour later, cameras show Bud's truck circling in front of Break on the Lake. But by then, Meredith and Davis were no longer at the restaurant.

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And you look over. Mm-hmm. What do you think you were looking at? Davis.

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Lieutenant Womack says before long, investigators would learn just how far Bud Ackerman had gone that night to find Meredith and Davis. Though Ackerman himself wasn't talking, critical information would emerge from another digital witness, his truck.

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Womack says in some cars and trucks, the infotainment systems, as they're known, store detailed information about how the vehicles are being driven. We're in a similar model to Bud's Ford F-250 pickup.

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Events including snap measurements of speed, acceleration, and brake pressure. Bud's onboard computer even pinged public Wi-Fi's it passed. Investigators learned that Bud had actually driven by Meredith's house and onto Davis-McClendon Street that night. But while he was driving around looking for them, ironically, they had moved to the Key West Club he had just left.

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Did he think he could bring the temperature down?

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Records show Davis called her minutes later. And what was that conversation? Where are you? And that's when he told me that he was going to meet Bud. Womack says other infotainment system data show that at a bit past 1 in the morning, Davis and Budd had their fatal encounter.

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They say Ackerman hit the brakes hard.

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And according to the computer, seconds after the collision, Ackerman's truck had stopped.

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Womack thinks Ackerman got out of his truck, which was probably leaking from the collision. Remember that puddle of oil in the road near the victim.

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Then, say authorities, Ackerman turns his truck around near the lamppost, roughly as you see in this CBS News demonstration based on their investigation. He then drives away, leaking an oil trail all the way to his parents' driveway.

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But Ackerman's attorney, Jack Swirling, paints a different picture.

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Sheriff's office. Yes, sir. Nor, says Swirling, is there much to indicate his client was drunk that night. Can I get you to step with me over here for a moment, please? None of the cops who arrested him reported he seemed tipsy.

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Was he stalking them that night?

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According to Swirling, Meredith and Davis had betrayed McClendon's promise to Bud to stand down until the Ackermans' marriage was officially over.

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And Swirling says the night Davis died, he let Bud Ackerman's repeated calls and text messages to Meredith get under his skin.

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He says Bud had suggested an innocent and safe place for it to happen.

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Swirling says Ackerman's children were sleeping there that night. So attacking Davis would have been the last thing on his client's mind.

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He says it was Davis who selected the deserted intersection as a new location. And remember how Davis was found without his shirt on that night? Well, Swirling says he believes Davis took it off to prepare for a confrontation.

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Swirling insists Bud Ackerman meant no harm that night, and Bud is about to tell that story to a jury.

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Prosecutors are determined to prove it was no accident that Budd Ackerman hit Davis McLendon the night he died. So in September of 2024, Assistant Attorneys General John Conrad and John Meadors... He intentionally drove his car into the body of Davis McLendon. ...start the case off with a bang. Bam!

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They'll argue Ackerman couldn't stand the fact that his estranged wife was seeing someone and Bud was searching for Meredith and Davis all over town.

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Medders and Conrad lead with their strongest evidence. There are actually timestamped videos from the neighbor's doorbell cameras at the moment of the crash that killed Davis. It shows what they say is Bud's Ford F-250 driving through the frame. Seconds later on the video, what sounds like a crash. And seconds after that, a series of muffled sounds.

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Prosecutors argue it's Bud Ackerman's voice yelling at Davis McClendon after running him down.

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But Bud Ackerman's defense attorney, Jack Swirling, argues the audio is too garbled to prove anything.

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The prosecutor then calls Megan McGovern, the Ackerman's babysitter and friend, to describe the moment she'd seen Davis's body through traumatized teenage eyes.

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But their star witness is the woman at the center of both men's affection, Meredith Haney, who testifies with the date night security videos as a guide.

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Yes, sir. She tells the jury Bud Ackerman called her when she and Davis were at break on the lake.

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I did worry, yes. And kept calling after they got to Key West Club.

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And she says by the time Davis McClendon left her at the Key West Club after midnight... And is that Davis McClendon leaving the bar? Yes. ...she was worried Bud might be volatile.

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So when Davis later called to tell her he was going to meet with Ackerman, she says she wanted to go check on the situation in person and makes clear to the jury that when she saw the scene, she had little doubt who'd killed her boyfriend.

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Objection. The judge sustains the defense's objection, but Meredith continues.

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Digital forensics expert Brian Hudak tells the jury about data in the infotainment system of Ackerman's pickup, including some that show Budd was driving in exactly the right place.

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To be implicated in the deadly collision. He suggests they can even tell the moment of impact.

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And Hudak says the evidence shows Ackerman was going 25 miles per hour.

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Collision reconstruction expert Corporal Christopher Bratcher testifies the dents show Bud's speeding pickup sideswiped Davis' BMW sedan. As shown in that CBS News animation based on the prosecution's theory,

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They say Bud was aiming at Davis, who was standing near the driver's door when he was hit, and that the truck kept going with Davis on the grill until he fell off where authorities found him. But Jack Swirling argues much of the same evidence shows hitting Davis was an accident.

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He says Bud Ackerman had no idea Davis was standing outside his car and calls auto forensics expert Jonathan Nelson to testify that given Ackerman's speed in the dark over a slope in the road and into the parked BMW's headlight beams, he wouldn't have seen Davis McClendon standing in the road until at most two and a half seconds before the collision.

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And Swirling says Davis wasn't standing right next to his car when he was hit, but further out towards the center of the road. And that Ackerman swerved to his left into the BMW to get around him, as shown in this CBS News animation based on the defense's theory.

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Wouldn't you swerve the other way?

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Swirling knows there may be only one person who can.

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Ackerman's attorney begins by trying to show the jury his client was Meredith's long-suffering but devoted husband.

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He admits he was angry at Meredith, but says he only wanted to talk to her and agreed to meet Davis to talk to him, too.

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Ackerman says he hadn't realized how fast he was going and that he was only trying to pull up next to Davis to talk and didn't see McClendon standing in the road until the last moment.

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But on cross-examination, he admits something that undercuts his claims of innocence that night. He had never called 911. I panicked.

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Instead, he left the scene and drove to his parents' house and told them what had happened. But they never called authorities either.

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In closings, Prosecutor Meadors argues Ackerman is a murderer with a truck as his weapon.

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And he says the Ford pickup's infotainment system proves it.

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It's the highest possible bar, and the defense insists the state has not proven its case.

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For the Ackerman jury, six days of testimony and evidence boil down to a deliberation less than a half hour long.

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Bud Ackerman is guilty of the murder of Davis McClendon.

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Not just fast, but too fast to be thought through, says Bud Ackerman's attorney, Jack Swirling.

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Damning evidence of what Bud Ackerman did, say Davis-McClendon's friends, and equally damning evidence, they say, of what Bud Ackerman never did.

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They still can't wrap their head around why nobody in the Ackerman family ever called 911.

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It was May 7th, 2023, just after 1 a.m., when authorities responded to a reported road accident on a secluded, dead-end street in Greenwood, South Carolina.

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At sentencing right after the verdict, Davis McClendon's son demands accountability from the Ackermans.

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But Ackerman's father tries to explain his own lack of action by saying he was too disoriented to know what to do at that hour of the night when his son woke him with the news. The judge's sentence is devastating to the defendant.

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It looks like the end of the road for Bud Ackerman.

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But it may allow for a new beginning for Meredith Haney.

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With their father unlikely to get out of prison for decades, she's determined to spare her children from the impact of that horrible night. As a single mom, she leans on friends and family. How are the kids doing? Well, my kids are doing Looking back, she believes Bud Ackerman really wanted to target her that night, and that she's only alive because he found Davis McClendon first.

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If true, Meredith Haney owes her life, however challenging, to the new man she had once hoped to share it with. How would you like Davis to be remembered?

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At the edge of the nearby woods, they would find 46-year-old Davis McLendon's body. But what they saw at first was on the road itself. A shirt, a shoe, and a mangled sedan.

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Join me Tuesday for Postmortem from 48 Hours, where we'll dive even deeper into today's episode and answer your questions about the case.

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It was a BMW 5 Series, similar to this one, were using to demonstrate the position of the vehicle that night. After first responders had locked everything down, Greenwood County Sheriff's Office investigator Patrick Durkin arrived to photograph the scene.

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Whatever had transpired at this deserted crossroads, Durkin's job was to freeze it in time. First responders had thought Davis McLendon's injuries seemed consistent with having been hit by a vehicle, though no other vehicle relating to the collision was there. They'd found Davis's body about 50 feet away from the BMW, leading them to suspect he'd been outside his car when he was hit.

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Durkin says he noticed some strange damage to the BMW.

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It had made authorities wonder if it was a hit and run or something more sinister. Those airbags were out and a phone was on the front passenger seat. Durkin saw more debris in the road, but nothing particularly telling.

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Investigator Ronnie Powell from the Greenwood County Sheriff's Office says authorities had learned more by speaking to two women at the scene, Meredith Haney and Megan McGovern, who'd called 911. Megan often babysat for Meredith's three children.

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Meredith had told authorities that Davis left a club they'd been in that night, calling her minutes later from the road, saying he was parked at the intersection of Avid Road and Sawgrass Place. When he'd put her on hold and then failed to come back on the line, Meredith was worried and got a ride there from Megan.

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It was Megan, the babysitter, who'd gotten out of her car and was the first to see Davis's body. That news must have been stunning.

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Davis McClendon was the ultimate people person, without an enemy in the world. Say his friends, Chip Funderbunk.

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Zach Calhoun. He loved big. And Johnny Coates. And what Zach said, he was everyone's best friend. He was. He loved everyone. But none of them could remember Davis ever mentioning the specifics of his love life.

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Calhoun says Davis had gone through a divorce, but the end of his marriage hadn't done anything to weaken his devotion as a father and a friend, even to the residents of the retirement home where he worked. He was the most empathetic person I've ever met. More than four months before Davis died, on the night of December 23, 2022,

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Meredith was at that club, celebrating her 39th birthday with her best friends. She says they were wearing their worst Christmas sweaters when the handsome stranger struck up a conversation.

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And you just kept on talking? Mm-hmm. Until meeting Davis, she says she'd been keeping her head down. Just about six months earlier, she had left her husband of 10 years, a local auto body shop owner named Bud Ackerman. And she was struggling to balance parenting their three kids and her job as a grammar school teacher. She says she knew getting involved with someone new would not be easy.

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Was there any hesitancy about moving forward with this? There, I mean, there was... She says, first, Davis wanted to make sure she had no intention of reconciling her marriage.

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They would have less than six months together. Could you start to guess what may have happened, how it was hit? The night of Davis's death, at the site, investigator Patrick Durkin noticed something beyond the strangeness of the crashed car and Davis's distance from it. There was an oil slick in the road. It's still here.

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And what did that tell you when you saw it?

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It looked like evidence from the vehicle that hit Davis. You guys are looking around and you realize the oil continues?

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Back where the tire track seemed to show a vehicle had turned around, investigators had found oil spatters on a streetlight post. It was about maybe this high. And from there, there was a trail of oil that had led down the road into the distance. It's breadcrumbs, basically.

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You were there the night she met Davis.

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Investigator Ronnie Powell says by the time authorities started following that oil trail from the crash site, they had a solid hunch where it might lead. Davis-McClendon's girlfriend, Meredith Haney, had told them she'd suspected where he had been going when he left her at the bar that night to meet her estranged husband, Bud Ackerman.

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And it turns out the oily evidence led right to Ackerman's parents' house.

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He'd been living there since separating from Meredith about a year earlier. Sheriff's office.

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Authorities' body cameras were rolling.

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Did it seem like there was chemistry right off the bat? Immediately.

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But Ackerman and his father were both standing near the garage.

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Bud had spent the day with his three kids at a local festival. He and his wife Meredith had a custody arrangement, and it was his night with the kids. But in the driveway, authorities noticed his white Ford F-250 pickup.

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With oil leaking from the undercarriage, they also noticed a crack in the grille and other evidence that suggested the vehicle had hit someone.

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Investigators turned to Bud. Do you have your ID on you?

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Okay. Just step over here for me. Authorities say Bud told them he would not answer questions without his lawyer present. But from speaking with Meredith, they learned she had a contentious relationship with her soon-to-be ex-husband and came to suspect a jealous Bud Ackerman had mowed Davis McClendon down.

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Looking at the scene, they deduced Davis had been standing outside his BMW, as shown in this CBS News animation based on their investigation. They suspect Bud's pickup truck sideswiped the sedan and hit Davis, carrying him on the vehicle's grill and depositing his body across the road. Meredith says Bud had been upset since reaching out to her days earlier when he found out she was dating Davis.

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He texted me. What did he text you?

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What had begun years earlier as a promising marriage that would bear three kids had fallen apart.

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Bud was from a prominent local family, and he was a business owner. But Meredith says his work had become stressful.

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She says he started drinking a lot. And the more he drank, she says, the more unpredictable he became. There was screaming, cussing. You felt threatened? Absolutely. Meredith says he never laid a hand on her, but destroyed her sense of self. The house was never clean enough.

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It was very degrading. Then, she says, she noticed her husband was starting to become paranoid. She remembers being in her closet one day and noticing a strange pillow. They had cut a hole in it. According to Meredith, there was a hidden camera inside. And then I started finding more of them. What other places did you find cameras?

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She says that was the last straw. They separated in the spring of 2022. I could breathe. I could be me again. Meredith says the separation seemed to help Bud too, that he'd stopped drinking and kept going to church with her and the kids. But by then, she'd decided it was too late. When I was done, I was done. And starting again with someone new seemed like a distant dream, Meredith says.